New p2p application combining all p2p protocols

[UKMedia]

LOOK LOOK

I am not sure if there is a group out there yet but I am looking at buliding a p2p application that will combin all p2p protocols out there at present like:

Edonkey
Kazza
Bearshare forget the protocol name

Weather it asks on app load what protocol u would like to connect to or weather when u search u can chosee like a drop down of what protocol u want to search on.

This app will be opensource once we have a working version for all to use and see. That way the RIAA can do nothing to stop P2P sharing hehehehehehe :tilted

All coders/graphic ppl from all backgrounds are welcome.

E-mail me if intersted richard.thatcher@btinternet.com

[nasrules]

i hope u are a good coder and get a good team, coz that is going to be one HELL of a job.

[Ghost 23]

yes, I agree with nasrules, this is a serious undertaking and you better get a good team with u unless you gone guru coder...hehe... also dont be afraid to ask P2P community for help b/c I sure they are will to help. check me out if you ever need a alpha or beta tester. 1

[UKMedia]

[i]also dont be afraid to ask P2P community for help b/c I sure they are will to help. check me out if you ever need a alpha or beta tester. 1 [/B]

Don't worry I will

The project should not be that difficult if we look into each protocol to see how this works and then intergrate this into a application were dll file does the improtant changes of the protocols for us.

I will call upon your services for a beta tester

[nasrules]

count me in for the testing as well UKMedia!!!

the most notorious protocol is the FastTrack one, which both the rapidroad (if they ever existed) and pft teams have found problems with. that, however, should be made easier wen the pft betas are released.

[UKMedia]

I do hope they do as this will make my life easier

[johnboy5501]

Wouldn't it be nice if you could do multi-source downloading for one filing using all networks...meaning i can get sources from all networks for 1 file...and it could be unlimited sources

[Ken17625]

Here we go again.........

[chipperrox]

where are we going!?
disneyworld?

[dreams]

What programming language you using?? Have you looked over the protocols of gnutella. Edonkey and any others? Have you started coding yet? How many developers do you have working? Whats the Eta of this program?
Who is coding the dll's for you since they will be doing most of the work as you stated in your previous post?
Some important questions some might want to know.

[notbob]

Originally posted by dreams
What programming language you using?? Have you looked over the protocols of gnutella. Edonkey and any others? Have you started coding yet? How many developers do you have working? Whats the Eta of this program?
Who is coding the dll's for you since they will be doing most of the work as you stated in your previous post?
Some important questions some might want to know.

he didn't even know gnutella's name for christs sake (the one bearshare's on as he called it)

and of course if another p2p crackpot is on the scene, johnny is behind him 100%

[UKMedia]

First of all I have studied all p2p protocols to the last digit and know how all of them work. I have posted this in request for coders to help me as the project has not even been started yet.

We will be using VC++/C++

There is no ETA at present...

I hope this answers many of the questions that all will ask.

I need ppl with programming language knowledge to help out.

So if that is you e-mail richard.thatcher@btinternet.com

[UKMedia]

Originally posted by notbob
he didn't even know gnutella's name for christs sake (the one bearshare's on as he called it)

and of course if another p2p crackpot is on the scene, johnny is behind him 100%

Look dunno what your problem is but shut it!!!

Maybe some ppl do have the talent to make good programs for u to use but I don't hear u complaining when u r getting what u want out of it!!!

Some ppl are just all takers and not givers!!!!! This is what p2p is all about

[nasrules]

hey UKMedia, can I admin your site? man that sounds pathetic.

[Sephiroth]

The problems with this idea is supporting multiple networks keeping up on all the changes in each of them, plus the bandwidth, PC resources demand is alot higher..

Its alot of trouble for what its worth.

[UKMedia]

Originally posted by nasrules
hey UKMedia, can I admin your site? man that sounds pathetic.

What do u mean?

[Mojo2000]

It seems pretty redundant to me, you can always run all the progs in the same time.. why invent the wheel again? A better Idea I think is to make a new, open server-free network that SCALES and actually works (unlike the current state of gnutella) these kind of projects are done AFAIK by gnutella developers (GUESS) and shareaza (G2)..

If you really insist on this meta-p2p app, you can make an interface that speaks with the existing programs, running them in hidden mode, somewhat like the k++ hack does, you can capture the results/status/searches from their own apps and show them on your unified interface..
It could be a hit, or it could be buggy as hell..

[UKMedia]

[/QUOTE] If you really insist on this meta-p2p app, you can make an interface that speaks with the existing programs, running them in hidden mode, somewhat like the k++ hack does, you can capture the results/status/searches from their own apps and show them on your unified interface..
It could be a hit, or it could be buggy as hell.. [/QUOTE]

I like this idea

[joemama1]

Look, I understand as well as a lot of you that what he is proposing to do is going to take a great deal of work. It is also true that these 3 different P2P apps use totally different protocols to connect to their network. As well as the updates for each p2p app.....but give the guy a chance! If he wants to try, then the p2p community needs to be supporting him. I really don't know if is possible or not, but if our government gave up when they said you couldn't land a man on the moon, the apollo missions would have never happened! Just because it is going to be difficult, that does not mean it is impossible. I liked the idea also that mojo2000 mentioned. Mabye this would be the easiest way to go. This way, you would be achiving your goal while at the same time not having to "reinvent the wheel".

[notbob]

Originally posted by UKMedia
Look dunno what your problem is but shut it!!!

Maybe some ppl do have the talent to make good programs for u to use but I don't hear u complaining when u r getting what u want out of it!!!

Some ppl are just all takers and not givers!!!!! This is what p2p is all about

i've given more stuff to total strangers than you will ever give in 10 years

the funny thing about multi-connecting programs is that they are used by lazy leeches that share nothing (mldonkey for example already connects to everything but kazaa, has a built in fake share and no actual sharing capacity whatsoever)

[UKMedia]

Originally posted by notbob
i've given more stuff to total strangers than you will ever give in 10 years

the funny thing about multi-connecting programs is that they are used by lazy leeches that share nothing (mldonkey for example already connects to everything but kazaa, has a built in fake share and no actual sharing capacity whatsoever)

So what u are saying is that I cannot do this and that I have to ask from permission from u!!! I don't think so!!

Plus I am a internet programmer myself in c++/vc++/vb/perl/java/php/html and I have made many programs for end users and companies alike.

I have been programming for 6 years so u saying that I have no talent. ppl like you obviously have no plenty of time on your hands.

[Ken17625]

Look dunno what your problem is but shut it!!!

Maybe some ppl do have the talent to make good programs for u to use but I don't hear u complaining when u r getting what u want out of it!!!

Some ppl are just all takers and not givers!!!!! This is what p2p is all about

Ok then. Have fun with your vaporware.

You are just a slightly more convincing Homeya13.

Hey, maybe you should name your program Dogster!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You do NOT get a bouncing frog for this dumb thread, instead you get

The vampire smiley of doom!!!
:black

[UKMedia]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Ok then. Have fun with your vaporware.

You are just a slightly more convincing Homeya13.

Hey, maybe you should name your program Dogster!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You do NOT get a bouncing frog for this dumb thread, instead you get

The vampire smiley of doom!!!
:black

U just jelous cause u don't have the brains to carry out such a task giving that u r replying to threads in the devolopment of P2P, I should imagine that u can come out with some intelligent comments at times.

[notbob]

judging by your posts, you must have started programming at 6, because your posts look like they were cobbled together by a 12 year old

here's a quick primer on your native tongue

you--a pronoun aimed at a person being directly addressed (u on the other hand is a letter, with no direct meaning)

people--a general term relating to humans (plural) (ppl --parts per liter)

stupid teenagers use these abbreviations

speaking of "plenty of time on my hands", what are you doing? oh yeah... posting to a bulletin board and arguing with a total stranger--nice work.

[UKMedia]

Originally posted by notbob
judging by your posts, you must have started programming at 6, because your posts look like they were cobbled together by a 12 year old

here's a quick primer on your native tongue

you--a pronoun aimed at a person being directly addressed (u on the other hand is a letter, with no direct meaning)

people--a general term relating to humans (plural) (ppl --parts per liter)

stupid teenagers use these abbreviations

speaking of "plenty of time on my hands", what are you doing? oh yeah... posting to a bulletin board and arguing with a total stranger--nice work.

K, So i was the one aruging the fact!!! Speak to monitor m8 cause this end ain't listening no more cause u have the brian of a 3 yr old and u signature makes so much sense.

[notbob]

Originally posted by UKMedia
K, So i was the one aruging the fact!!! Speak to monitor m8 cause this end ain't listening no more cause u have the brian of a 3 yr old and u signature makes so much sense.

who's brian?

[nasrules]

wo wo wo

can we all chill out a bit please?

wen i sed can i admin ur site i meant can i help administrate your site (your obviously gonna need one).

[MoonMan]

I almost feel bad for the thread starter, he is only making an ass out of himself. I'll make a safe bet that he is under 15 years old.

Oh and look, joemama1 (as gullible as ever) is sticking up for him. What a surprise. :mellow

[UKMedia]

Originally posted by MoonMan
I almost feel bad for the thread starter, he is only making an ass out of himself. I'll make a safe bet that he is under 15 years old.

Oh and look, joemama1 (as gullible as ever) is sticking up for him. What a surprise. :mellow

15 don't insult my inteligents m8

I am actually 19

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by UKMedia
15 don't insult my inteligents m8

I am actually 19

My intention wasn't trying to insult your intelligence. I only guessed that number because this isn't the first time Zeropaid has seen someone with big dreams and limited ability. If you are bored, why don't you look up some Rapid Road posts, or even from a poster with the handle "Homeya14".

May make you change your mind, either way you will certainly get a laugh.

[UKMedia]

:tilted

[Mojo2000]

If you really insist on this meta-p2p app, you can make an interface that speaks with the existing programs, running them in hidden mode, somewhat like the k++ hack does, you can capture the results/status/searches from their own apps and show them on your unified interface..
It could be a hit, or it could be buggy as hell..
I like this idea

Some general problems you may encounter with this:

1. Uploads: setting bitrate limits can be hard with more than one program.

2. Unified settings: each program has it's own prefs..

3. Memory: 3+ progs will consume a lot of memory..

4. Downloading simultansly from 3 progs: hard to impossible, if you don't have direct interface to the protocol. also each has a different type of hashing so..

5. Hashing: Each program has it's own hashing so 3x times cpu time for the hashing. also no synced dl..

6. Stabillity: If one client crashes.. if your interface crashes.. (memory leaks etc..)

7. Software updates: when one of the clients updates, you need to revise your software..

8. General end-user complexity: configuring, understanding the multi-client approach etc..
...

And there's probably much more trouble ...

If this product would deliver a better and EASIER p2p experience I guess pepole would want to use it, keep in mind that Kazaa delivers about 80%-90% of p2p content these days, and most users (non-technical) need p2p apps to be hassle-free, as simple as possible...

If you still want to work on this I'm wishing you much good luck and success :fire

Mojo2000

[joemama1]

Originally posted by MoonMan
I almost feel bad for the thread starter, he is only making an ass out of himself. I'll make a safe bet that he is under 15 years old.

Oh and look, joemama1 (as gullible as ever) is sticking up for him. What a surprise. :mellow


@moonman Listen asshole! You can go fuck yourself for all I care! All I did was ask people to give the guy a chance, I haven't made any flames or comments in this thread other than that! I was not defending him, rather a principle....that is the right to introduce new ideas. I even made it clear (if you can read) that I knew it was going to be difficult , but I said it was not impossible and I will stand by what I said! Stick it up your ass if you don't like what I am saying ! @ Notbob I really don't know what you're problem is with me, but I have not done one thing to deserve what you said about me in another post, even though I didn't get a chance to say anything in return because the thread was locked, but I really don't care. If you have a problem with me you can state it now or shut the hell up! I really don't care which you do!

[johnboy5501]

woah, this is getting a little out of hand. Don't worry about notbob, hes always criticizing.

[The Hunter]

Also if this turns into a flame war it will be closed.

[Feather]

http://www.lanshine.com/

hey media start here for research and find out why they died at alpha stage and maybe they will allow you to try and finish what they started. this is not a flame or a joke just a suggestion.

[PiRaNeTuS]

Christ, what is everyone's problem? If the guy wants to try to code something, whether he is legit or not, whether he knows what he is doing or not, just let him be.

UKMedia: No one is necessarily doubting your intentions or your abilities. The only thing is, is that people in the past have come with these type of ideas for different projects, and in the end, always fail. They either didn't know what the fuck they were doing to begin with, or they did and when they got face-high in coding shit, found out it was wasn't practical and stopped the project. So that's why people have doubts...that and when you don't type all that intelligently and you are a newcomer here, people have more doubts. So that is the cause for your criticism. So you now have two choices. Code the project, with and without people's help, and prove everybody wrong, OR if you really don't know what you are doing or whatever, then just shut the fuck up about the project and be content with what's available now.

[method]

Seph is right, with the multiple protocols, UI demands, interoperability between client-modules and the ability to handle the amount of connections needed for swarmloading, a lot of PC's will give you out-of-memory errors from overloading Active-X components, etc., crash elsewhere or just disappear and close on users!!

You'll need a programmer who's not just good at coding but also has a good understanding of how windows itself works under different environments and well... so much more. Good luck, let us know how you're getting on 6 months down the road.

I hear there's some good coders in Never Neverland tho.

[nasrules]

Originally posted by The Hunter
Also if this turns into a flame war it will be closed.

i hate to say it but most of those doing flaming have been those users who are the more senior here.

[UKMedia]

Originally posted by nasrules
i hate to say it but most of those doing flaming have been those users who are the more senior here.

This is why I have taken the chance to sit back and relax and just laugh at some of the posts.

[UKMedia]

Originally posted by Feather
http://www.lanshine.com/

hey media start here for research and find out why they died at alpha stage and maybe they will allow you to try and finish what they started. this is not a flame or a joke just a suggestion.

They have no informaion on there website about why they died.

Do u know who the real user is so I can e-mail him for ideas???????

[UKMedia]

OK,

Just to update all I have decided to make a search application that will talk with all p2p protocols available at present.

What the application will do is search the protocols that u select and then link to that application but u will have to the main program installed.


I.E
Input search text and then select protocol and then send search. Search results shown then it will be hyperlinked to the application.

I.E:
Edonkey
ed2k:///filename/hash??????????? (http://)
Sig2Dat
Sig2Dat:///filename/hash???????? (http://)


k, now fire u slates again

[Ken17625]

***Bangs head on monitor***

Homeya13,

You'll see.

Let the games begin............again.

I shall not post anything pertaining to this subject from here on out.

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by UKMedia
OK,

Just to update all I have decided to make a search application that will talk with all p2p protocols available at present.

What the application will do is search the protocols that u select and then link to that application but u will have to the main program installed.


I.E
Input search text and then select protocol and then send search. Search results shown then it will be hyperlinked to the application.

I.E:
Edonkey
ed2k:///filename/hash??????????? (http://)
Sig2Dat
Sig2Dat:///filename/hash???????? (http://)


k, now fire u slates again

Kind of like Mosearch except instead of searching all hubs on DC, it searches all P2P protocols?

Try talking some coding lingo and we'll see how much we can scrutinize what you say. If you get less than 3 pages of flames, you're probably good to go. 4 is pushing it but 5-10 and you're probably better off not showing your face here anymore for fear of all out napom destruction.

BTW for future refernence, don't make any deadlines for release if you end up making anything.

"Oh Edna we both know these children have no future!! *uneasy laughter* Prove me wrong kids, prove me wrong!" That's from the Simpsons by Priniciple Skinner.

[UKMedia]

Originally posted by zebi
I *cough* fully support you *cough* with you'r new *cough* p2p client *cough*.

Yeah I see what u mean about slating the new users!!

God knows how u have so many users if this is how new users get treated.

U all of no faith in programmers do u??

Just remember that u were all new users at 1 point on zeropaid.

So treat ppl ho u would expect to be treated!!!!!!


!!THAT ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THE MATTER!!

This Thread Should Be Called

:fire = Topic to slate new users that we know nothing about that user

[method]

u wanna know why ur getting a frosty reception? - it's not personal!! I think I can explain and maybe if someone else wants to bash anything I've said afterwards.. they can :)

generally, people here get stories about new p2p networks on an almost weekly basis to some extent. False promises, deadlines that can't be met, vaporware, alleged hoax's and so on have really knocked users confidence in new p2p... and when you mention a multi-protocol project, it seems to good to be true, usually because it is!!

When someone says "hey.. what do you think about combining these networks" people tend to go.. "Oh.. another one eh?!" - They'll also look for holes in anything and everything you say regarding the idea from concept down to the technical level.. not so much to offend you, but because they want to bring you back down to earth to tell you the struggle you're likely to face... it's not an anti-programmer thing, I think people just want to make you realise how much work is involved not just on the surface, but on the system level too, even just maintaining reasonable stability in a complex p2p program requires time and effort.

It's probably hard not to take it personally but I'm sure a lot of the negative attitude you're getting from people isn't meant to be personal, it's just the concept has been chased by a lot of developers, the feasibility alone of such a project makes it hard to show enthusiasm for, especially when others have attempted and failed, even in groups. It's a stigma built up from the failed projects and false promises and the only way to avoid a lot of the negative dialog is to actually get a prototype coded and ask for a few testers... make sure they know it's a raw prototype and they'll be more forgiving and probably more helpful, if you do get a project going, don't hype it until it's really ready for it and good luck. U gotta be determined, prepared to put months into the project, thick-skinned and patient with users/testers/etc.

Peace!

[Mr. Mainstream]

impossible

[johnboy5501]

UKmedia, don't worry about your reception here. I'm telling you, only Zeropaid has this type of reception. Personally I believe one of the problems is because Jorge never monitors his own site! But I might be wrong.
Btw Method, have you checked the PM i sent you?

[The Hunter]

The so called reception, is because we get a lot of hype for programs that never show up. We do not want to be rude, but if you see all of the things that get peoples hopes up, and evaporate, leaving folks in the dark. Then you might understand,why we appear cynical at times.

[Nothingface5384]

this sounds just like swapciety and some of the iuniversal/multi p2p app on sourceforge which non of them seen beta daylight..not even alpha heh..but it is a sweet idea..nice if some1 could pull it off....but ...moving on...i have hope in a few new p2pnets ..cause ive tested them and theyre believable....not mythical...

[cpugeniusmv]

well, i'm not going to criticize you...but:

You started programming at 13? I mean, that is a little hard to believe...but I suppose you could have, I think I started at about 13...and I'm still no programming wiz, but as method said: we see this almost every week.

But, if you think you can do it, great!! More power to ya! Good luck, you'll need it.

[endersgame21]

Wouldn't it be nice if you could do multi-source downloading for one filing using all networks...meaning i can get sources from all networks for 1 file...and it could be unlimited sources
There is a program in progress that claims it can do this. It is called swapciety and you can check it out at their website at www.swapciety.com It says it will be released by spring. I don't see how this is possible though as certain protocols have different methods of downloading Like edonkey hashes the files and fasttrack doesn't.

[gomonkeygo]

that link didnt work for me....but oh well.

[cpugeniusmv]

that was a typo...correct link:

www.swapciety.com

i haven't been there in a while, just visited...seems to be "out of order"

[zaphodiv]

On a general note, it is only necessary to point out that people
like this are a clueless kid once, they will get bored and go away more
quikly if everyone ignores their retorts.

ukm>First of all I have studied all p2p protocols to the last digit
Excellent!
Since you know how winmx and kazza work, just publish the protocols
and a horde of programmers will soon be along to write an open source
implementation that you can put into your universal client.

For edonkey and bearshare you just need to grab the emule source code (http://emule.sourceforge.net) and
the GnucDNA gnutella library (http://www.gnucleus.net/GnucDNA/)

notbob>mldonkey for example already connects to everything but kazaa,
notbob>has a built in fake share and no actual sharing capacity whatsoever)
Absoloute rubbish, let me guess you only use windows and you have never
used mldonkey.

ukm>I have decided to make a search application that will
ukm>talk with all p2p protocols available at present.

Surely you mean "all the protocols that work effiently and
have a large userbase". There are a hundred half-baked protocols
that nobody uses, just check sourceforge for myster and lots of
other p2p programs that someone made in a weekend.

ukm>search the protocols that u select and then link to that application
So it will be a leech client, no thanks.

[method]

UKM.. oh bollox... i missed your quote..

"First of all I have studied all p2p protocols to the last digit" and six years coding too...

If you have 6 years coding experience, REALLY know Java and have studied ALL p2p protocols to the last digit.. you don't need help to make a cross-platform p2p that works on all protocols.

Or maybe I'm just a user who's trying to pick holes in everything you say?! (see previous post!!)

I dunno what to think other than posting more to this thread is a waste of time..

peace out, etc.. ;)

[crackerjacker]

It would be really nice to have a p2p program, that can connect to other p2p networks. However, it seems to me that if a programmer decides to take on a project of this great magnitude, it will be a lot of work.

btw, just out of curiousity, some of these p2p programs, are not open source. The only way, I think one can make a p2p program compatible, with another p2p program is to either have valid source code of other p2p programs.

And, matter of fact, winmx, is closed source, kazaa, is closed source, and I also am sure filetopia, is closed source. Now, I dont know the p2p networks, u will use but, it will take a lot of work.

Nothing is totally impossible, i just think, that if you do interlink, 3 or so different p2p networks together, then it can work. Well, maybe, I am not going to say that it is not impossible.

I do know, that limewire, has source code available, as well, as one version of the donkey as well as dc plus. Now, thinking of this issue, it will take a lot of time to put a project like this together.

I am curious though, as to how this can work. If I was going to create a p2p program, I would think about several ways to go about doing it.
One, thing I would need to know first, is how does the p2p networks I am going to use work. Even more then that, it would be wise to know how each p2p protocol I will be using works.
Also, how the the handling of the downloads work on each p2p program.
Next, step, is to figure out the compatibility of each p2p network I want to use, and how the new p2p application I would make will even work.
For example, how do each p2p programs hashes work.
If I was going to make a p2p network, I am surely going to need source code, as well. Btw also If I did make a p2p program, I would rather user p2p protocols that are compatible with each other.
Because its all fine and dandy to interlink p2p networks together, but it can take up resources etc. Now, you got to figure how much memory will this program use. It all comes to mind, to figure how a way, or how many p2p users can connect to said p2p network, that I would consider making.

IT all comes down to timing. Now, as a sure way of doing things, currently I run different p2p programs. Sure there not connected to each etc, but what can one do when they would like a p2p network to connect to other p2p networks. Simple answer, just use each p2p network individually.

But I sure would like to see a p2p network connect to other networks. So all in all, research is the key, and stuff.

Above all if you do make a p2p program it should be user friendly as well.

[shellreef]

Originally posted by endersgame21
I don't see how this is possible though as certain protocols have different methods of downloading Like edonkey hashes the files and fasttrack doesn't.
eDonkey hashes files using a modified MD4 while FastTrack uses its own uuhash algorithm. Although hashes cannot be converted, metadata sites such as Bitzi (http://bitzi.com) may be the answer. Bitzi stores hashes in various formats of a particular file; so it should be possible to obtain the Bitzi ticket of a given file to find all its hashes for each network.

If that doesn't pan out, its always an option to not multisource from multiple networks, or make multisourcing manual. It would be more work, but if two files are the exact same size you can be somewhat sure they are identical. Until fakes files start appearing, anyways.

[method]

Incidently..

Swapciety was due for an April 1st release.

[mememenick]

check out www.hillmanminx.com, maybe ask the guy some questions on how he does it, get a mac, or borrow a mac, and check it out, from what i know it works fairly well, i am on a pc now but i used to use it on a mac and it was as good as kazaa lite in it's prime, it uses all the networks, and has support for them, you just need to find a way to allow uploads, cus i think that's all he is missing, i'm not sure about multiprotocal-crossnetwork-multisorce downloading, but you could work on trying that to work.

[mememenick]

check out www.hillmanminx.com, maybe ask the guy some questions on how he does it, get a mac, or borrow a mac, and check it out, from what i know it works fairly ...

this is a description of the softwere that hillmanminx makes,

compatible with: WWW, FTP, Hotline, Napster, OpenNapster, Gnutella, Carracho(*), OpenFT, iTunes, eDonkey and FastTrack (Kazaa, Grokster)and now BitTorrent!!
search for different kinds of files: Music, Videos, Mac and PC Software
includes a download manager, featuring retries and resumable downloads.
supports "swarming" downloads from several users and across multiple networks at the same time!
features AutoSearch, which keeps a list of those elusive and hard to get files
allows automatic adding of all tracks from an album of music.
supports Sharing, so you can give something back to the file sharing comm

[bobhss]

Taking this thread at face value and having only read the first page of posts my problem with this idea is that this proposed program would have all the security flaws of all of the P2P networks, so it'd really be a headache to try to make it something useable in that sense. This program would be open to many viruses instead of just the particular ones that normally trudge along on a single P2P network.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good idea. But that's all it really is.

[Mr. Mainstream]

who's brian?

thats the funniest Post eva LOL fucking classic. yeah good luck. i will personlly donate $100 if you CAN connect fastrack/gnutella/ muh fuck my rib hurts from that post notbob

[Dividend]

Just for anyone not paying attention, this thread is from March of 2003, so the guy on the first page has probably long given up hope by now and isn't going to see any new replies to this thread.

[matrix2003]

Well... This is from a long time ago, but Morpheus has already done that with the Morpheus 4.0 (Connecting to Gnutella, Gnutella2, FastTrack, eDonkey and the new NeoNet)

So... that you go..

[MAtT_Zero]

There's already a P2P app that connects to multiple networks and works perfectly well (well - near perfect - it's still in beta) and that's Shareaza 1.9 which connects to eDonkey, Gnutella, Gnutella 2 and BitTorrent.

If that works OK, why is it that people are saying that it's nigh impossible to make a multi-network app because of high-resource usage and the technical complexity of it?

The only reason Shareaza doesn't connect to Fasttrack is that - as mentioned - Fastrack is closed-source and doing so would get them sued by Sharman.

Yest still there are apps that defy that like MLdonkey (mentioned before - i don't know if this is only for leechers - the version i tried didn't seem to want to share, but there are other versions for different OSs?). Give MLdonkey a nice front-end rather than a nasty web interface and it could be great...

There was also GIFT that was trying to do the same thing - I can't seem to find anything but uncompiled code for that now on the Windows side of things.

Anyway - my point is that I dunno if the topic-starter is capable of making an app - yeah, he spells badly, it's suspicious that he didn't know the name of the protocol that bearshare uses (when he claims to know all the protocols inside-out) AND we've heard it all before..... BUT.... that doesn't mean the task is impossible....

[MAtT_Zero]

Well... This is from a long time ago, but Morpheus has already done that with the Morpheus 4.0 (Connecting to Gnutella, Gnutella2, FastTrack, eDonkey and the new NeoNet)

So... that you go..

Are you sure it connects to Fasttrack? Anyway - there you go, another multi-network app. It's definately the future.... the idea of "oh you can just have all your apps open) is like saying "oh, I may as well still use Windows 3.1" ;-) You have to move forward...

[Sephiroth]

multi-network programs are not the future. They arent new even there were many in the past. They use alot of system resources, and alot of bandwidth connecting to all these protocols. That and keeping up to date and bug free on a bunch of protocols is difficult to do.

The main reason why programs try the multi-network approach is to try to get or tranistion users from all these networks to their program or network.

[rctempire]

I wanna be part of this please make a me a beta/alpha tester please.

Also a really good idea too

[Afn]

LOOK LOOK

I am not sure if there is a group out there yet but I am looking at buliding a p2p application that will combin all p2p protocols out there at present like:

E-mail me if intersted richard.thatcher@btinternet.com


Stupid idea. Make a better program, and you will get a larger audience.


Why re-invent the wheel?

That is stupid, alot of work, and if it does work, would be buggy as hell.


A better idea would be to ask what would be a dream p2p program, ask for features and start coding from there.