Project FastTrack Real or another hoax? [Archive]

Borgster

March 1st, 2003, 04:11 PM

do you think project fasttrack is a real project being built? or just another vaporware project like rapidroad. anyone a beta tester for this client? i saw some screenshots of the new pft build at the website when they redid it, but thats the only thing i have seen since then. they claim that pft is different from the original kazaa because it was built from the ground up. is this true? or is this just a skinned kazaa version? if this does come out, i would use it in place of the original kazaa because it might run its own network of pft clients.

nasrules

March 1st, 2003, 04:24 PM

i hope its real, an i think it is. i dont really have reasons i jus think theyve been very professional unlike the rr team. i think glitch is one of the dev team at pft. if the gui is a good indication of the final product its gonna be really good!

PornMaster: dya mean uve got a zoe key? i have i registered wen ya could, or are you closer than that?

PornMaster

March 1st, 2003, 04:24 PM

But i kinda hope this is another hoax, otherwise it could cause some serious harm on the network, like it'll probably just be another gnutella or something else, maybe worse! i like kazaa the way it is,( With Kazaa++ of course) and thats all i need!

-glitch-

March 1st, 2003, 04:53 PM

As far as I know the client (ZoE) uses the network in the same manner, just a little more agressive like K++ with all the options built in. So in theory it shouldn't harm the network any more than K++ (which is harming the network because of the massive requerying), ZoE will not be as agressive as K++.

PornMaster

March 1st, 2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by -glitch-
As far as I know the client (ZoE) uses the network in the same manner, just a little more agressive like K++ with all the options built in. So in theory it shouldn't harm the network any more than K++ (which is harming the network because of the massive requerying), ZoE will not be as agressive as K++.
Thats not the part that bothers me really. The part is of it being Open Source is what bothers me, cuz if you think about it, people will build clones, tons and tons of clones, and keep in mind all those clones being agressive and overly agressive will ruin the fasttrack network!

TipYourBartender

March 1st, 2003, 05:18 PM

If people feel a need to harm the network theyr'e relying on, that is just stupidity.

Theinfamousone

March 1st, 2003, 05:22 PM

Yeah, Glitch, you should make it somewhat open source, kind of like Windows. Cuz I think Porn Master has a point. If some moron takes your program, and just tweaks it so that it does multiple searches like Shareaza, and finds some way to put out 2 searches for the same thing, or something crazy like that, kind of like a download accelerator, then the network is just going to get mangled. You should release to whoever you deem is fit for the task of helping the network.

Althought I wouldn't mind being able to do multiple searches like Shareaza.

Borgster

March 1st, 2003, 05:33 PM

glitch does your team have a release date scheduled for a public beta test of pft? i know that release dates dont happen 99% of the time. is there a page with updated screenshots of pft?

random nut

March 1st, 2003, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by -glitch-
As far as I know the client (ZoE) uses the network in the same manner, just a little more agressive like K++ with all the options built in. So in theory it shouldn't harm the network any more than K++ (which is harming the network because of the massive requerying), ZoE will not be as agressive as K++.

K++ is much less agressive than your client. Your client connects to a lot of supernodes in order to get your maximum of 8000 search results.

And have you sent the alpha to ZP yet? If not, when will you do that? I don't think I'll get a reply.

Rahwgwar

March 1st, 2003, 05:47 PM

I hope and I'm sure everyone else does, that is not a hoax. It's just that past history proves there has been a lot of vaporware of developers claiming incredible features but not following through. I am skeptikal only because of this reason, so developers of PFT shouldn't feel offended about this at all. It is "innocent until proven guilty."

And yes, from the GUI and the options I saw within it, it looks like it could be quite a powerful P2P app. Do you have any sort of timeline as to when it will be released? WIll we at least get it out before June? Don't worry about the GUI. It looks fine. Just work out the functions and release it as a working program. Then we are able to give feedback ASAP and you can continue to work on bugs. That is my opinion on the situation anyway. Thanks.

endersgame21

March 1st, 2003, 05:57 PM

I agree with the others, I don't think it should be completly open source but I do wish it is real because right now kazaa isn't updating anything. PFT has the potential to do so much more like incorporate a chat service or find more search results or whatever.

Mel_Smiley

March 1st, 2003, 06:38 PM

In theory, could PFT cut Kazaa out of the fasttrack network just like kazaa did morpheous?

-glitch-

March 1st, 2003, 06:43 PM

random nut,
Connecting to many supernodes to return better results and get more sources is way more effective and efficient than sending a query every 30-60 seconds in which we are seeing many are doing with the KL Extensions, this excessive requerying puts too many packets on the wire and thus is flooding the network with UDP and TCP traffic. Instead our approach is to connect to say 3 supernodes and send a fire and forget UDP query across the line to these, thus returning way more results with far less traffic than requerying in 30-60 second intervals. Any network programmer would not disagree with this approach. And to answer your question, I believe JC has emailed Jorge with no response yet...

-glitch-

March 1st, 2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Mel_Smiley
In theory, could PFT cut Kazaa out of the fasttrack network just like kazaa did morpheous?
In theory the answer is no, it has reached a point where there can be no more booting unless a new p2p stack is sent to Grokster, Imesh and KaZaA, which would in turn break the entire network until all clients updated the core and with 100's of millions of fastrack clients in the world this would just not happen, it's too risky.

endersgame21

March 1st, 2003, 06:57 PM

In theory, could PFT cut Kazaa out of the fasttrack network just like kazaa did morpheous?
They couldn't cut Kazaa out of the fasttrack network but I think their goal is to gradually have everybody switch from kazaa to PFT and I think they will succeed because it will have no adware or spyware.
As for randomnut, I don't see why you are against PFT, I mean you could always make a PFTlite. It already doesn't have any adware or spyware but you might be able to make it different somehow. I am sure you will think of something.

random nut

March 1st, 2003, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by endersgame21
As for randomnut, I don't see why you are against PFT, I mean you could always make a PFTlite. It already doesn't have any adware or spyware but you might be able to make it different somehow. I am sure you will think of something.

Hey, I'm not against PFT. I hope they're real, and I also believe they're real. When PFT is out I hope everyone starts using PFT instead of Kazaa, and yes even K++ if it has all its features.

FYI, I'm not using Kazaa (that also includes K++). I prefer DC.

Borgster

March 1st, 2003, 11:40 PM

kazaa isn't my favorite personal p2p app, because all of its viruses and shit into it, excluding klite++, but if somehow pft can implement every feature that k++ has that makes kazaa a full fueatured client than the original one sharman has, then i might consider using kazaa again.

btw isn't pft supposed to have a seperate network than that of fasttrack? and how stable would this new network be compared to the original fasttrack one? also how will kazaa and the other ft clients react when this is released?

Theinfamousone

March 2nd, 2003, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by random nut
FYI, I'm not using Kazaa (that also includes K++). I prefer DC.

Ahh sorry, I just had to tell you that is about the most ironic thing I've heard all day. Hundreds of thousands of users eat drink and sleep K++ (me being one of them), and the guy that made it prefers a different program.

Glitch, that sounds like a great idea. You get 8 times the search results and each supernode only has to search itself once. It's also quicker. Now how about the multiple searching?

random nut

March 2nd, 2003, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
Ahh sorry, I just had to tell you that is about the most ironic thing I've heard all day. Hundreds of thousands of users eat drink and sleep K++ (me being one of them), and the guy that made it prefers a different program.

Yeah, everyone knows you can't program something you don't use yourself. You're not a programmer so you don't know why someone would program something. For example, there are many interesting stuff to program, but not all of them are fun to use (writing a compiler is fun, but using one isn't).

Glitch, that sounds like a great idea. You get 8 times the search results and each supernode only has to search itself once. It's also quicker. Now how about the multiple searching?

Each supernode can only return a maximum of 100-300 search results, 200 results being default. There are only 3 ways of changing this and that is 1) change network_config, 2) modfiy the executable, 3) write your own program. In all three cases, it would only work if your copy also is a supernode, and only your copy would return more search results.

Therefore, if you connect to 3 supernodes, you'd have to request search results ceiling(8000/(3*200))=14 times for each supernode, or a total of 14*3=42 times. This is 5% more search requests than asking the same supernode (40 times).

If each client connected to 3 supernodes we'd have to have 3x as many supernodes as now. Of course this isn't going to happen since not everyone will use PFT, just like not everyone is using K++ and it's unlimited searches etc.

axod

March 13th, 2003, 08:04 AM

nasrules

March 13th, 2003, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by axod
It is funny to see technical discussions associated with project fasttrack.
It is obvious that they do not have connectivity to the network. They have just programmed a GUI. It's a classic case of over ambitious, but under skilled programmers, coding the GUI before the actual meaty code.
They have stated many incorrect technical facts about fasttrack on their website, as they try to make out they are progressing...
It is just some wannabe haxors playing around.

i think they have the benefit of the doubt until proof arises. and if you know so much about it, why dont you program a fasttrack client?

Skeptikal

March 13th, 2003, 10:03 AM

It is funny to see technical discussions associated with project fasttrack.
It is obvious that they do not have connectivity to the network. They have just programmed a GUI. It's a classic case of over ambitious, but under skilled programmers, coding the GUI before the actual meaty code.
They have stated many incorrect technical facts about fasttrack on their website, as they try to make out they are progressing...
It is just some wannabe haxors playing around.

I'd like to add that it seems that -Glitch- signed on to ZP by the same date of the so called "DogWard" from rr...
I've been following both projects, PFT and RR very closely and, more or less the new so called and awaited ES5... From my point of view PFT and RR are the same... about ES5 I don't know much but it wouldn't surprise me that it could be another atempt from the rr/pft guys to fool us...

overdo

March 13th, 2003, 10:38 AM

to be honest i ignore all the threads about programs that don't exist in full version yet. all this endless speculation just makes me laugh. i'm happy with k++. if something better comes along then i'll use it, if not i won't lose any sleep thinking about whether PFT or ES5 is real or not.

nasrules

March 13th, 2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Skeptikal
I'd like to add that it seems that -Glitch- signed on to ZP by the same date of the so called "DogWard" from rr...
I've been following both projects, PFT and RR very closely and, more or less the new so called and awaited ES5... From my point of view PFT and RR are the same... about ES5 I don't know much but it wouldn't surprise me that it could be another atempt from the rr/pft guys to fool us...

es5 IS real, i have a beta.

Skeptikal

March 13th, 2003, 11:37 AM

I have a beta too... I never said it was un-real... ;)

I just said that it might be the same guys fooling around...

And, although ES5 is real, it doesn't get close to what they said it was going to be...

BESIDE of it, it was supposed to have everything implemented for february 14th... They obviously knew that it wasn't going to be possible...
Any way.. .it's only my opinion.

-glitch-

March 13th, 2003, 12:40 PM

Skeptikal

March 13th, 2003, 12:54 PM

Hey -Glitch- take it easy just try to understand..

I mean... It seems like if everything was just set up.. knowing that:

RR didn't provide anything but screenshots...
PFT, knowing that, provided a non working GUI (meaning with no COM) (to make people beleive at this more than in RR)
ES5, knowing that, provided a "working" GUI, to make people beleive at this more than in PFT and RR)...

Well perhaps, if we follown this pattern, we'll eventualy some other project rise, wanting to make it more beleivable than the privious one...

-Glitch- Sorry for being a not-beleiver... Don't get mad at me...
I'd really apreciate to see PFT working...

-glitch-

March 13th, 2003, 03:18 PM

From what I know RapidRoad is in France, PFT is in Hawaii and ES5 I don't jack about. So they are 3 seperate teams. From reading the RapidRoad website and posts they either don't speak good english or are young. PFT has been professional in all emails and they are all American. Again ES5 is i dunno, but they have a poor product that is not even in Alpha stage from what I have seen in using it. Anyway to be honest I am tired of all the Hoax talk and am going to stop even looking at these posts because they are just a waste of time, be it PFT, RapidRoad or ES5. Signing off...

aqlo

March 13th, 2003, 04:10 PM

RapidRoad is a screenshot in France and a series of claims on some freeserver. Hey what happened to Epidemic?

RJ5500

March 13th, 2003, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by -glitch-
From what I know RapidRoad is in France, PFT is in Hawaii and ES5 I don't jack about. So they are 3 seperate teams. From reading the RapidRoad website and posts they either don't speak good english or are young. PFT has been professional in all emails and they are all American. Again ES5 is i dunno, but they have a poor product that is not even in Alpha stage from what I have seen in using it. Anyway to be honest I am tired of all the Hoax talk and am going to stop even looking at these posts because they are just a waste of time, be it PFT, RapidRoad or ES5. Signing off...

From what I've read, ES5 is based in Palestein.

Skeptikal

March 13th, 2003, 07:52 PM

Hey -Glitch- Why do you get so mad ?!

We're all pissed off hoax...

Evil_Dweller_01

March 13th, 2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Cydor
oh shit....you're located in America? dude don't even bother, you are going down like Napster did

Hahhaa

That was the first thing that came to my mind when he said they are from Hawaii

Matt

March 13th, 2003, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by -glitch-
And to answer your question, I believe JC has emailed Jorge with no response yet...

E-mail me matt@zeropaid.com

phalkon30

March 13th, 2003, 09:58 PM

Matt, clean out your frickin PM's! lol

Theinfamousone

March 14th, 2003, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
Hahhaa

That was the first thing that came to my mind when he said they are from Hawaii

It won't be any easier to shut down than Kazaa because it's just a program that connects to fasttrack.

the_chiller

March 17th, 2003, 01:17 AM

you know, if PFT is able to quickly find good and rare sources for sig2dat files, it will really be something!

overdo

March 17th, 2003, 09:23 AM

@ the_chiller - when u've added a verified file to ur download queue, search for that file using the regular search tab. sources found for ur file then get added to the actual file. this is what i've found out through experience and it seems to work very well.

-glitch-

March 17th, 2003, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by the_chiller
you know, if PFT is able to quickly find good and rare sources for sig2dat files, it will really be something!

Only when FastTrack has partial file sharing or MFTP then will the above be good, like ed2k.

-glitch-

March 17th, 2003, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by overdo
@ the_chiller - when u've added a verified file to ur download queue, search for that file using the regular search tab. sources found for ur file then get added to the actual file. this is what i've found out through experience and it seems to work very well.
True, this makes file local' info propogate to Supernodes near you......

Evil_Dweller_01

March 17th, 2003, 08:06 PM

Ok glitch.. dont tell me you haven't added partial file sharing to PFT yet?

Dude, that's very important if you want your program to grow and take people away from kazaa crap

Psilaxs

March 17th, 2003, 08:22 PM

Partial filesharing sucks, Just what i want, more partials on the network then completes.

Thats the problem with networks like overnet, I have been downloading a game now on overnet for 3 weeks, TONS of sources, but it is grabbing bits and pieces, here, a little there.

No, when i get results, i want it to be results of full files, not partials.

Evil_Dweller_01

March 17th, 2003, 08:33 PM

Ya of course.. you never see partial files appear in the search results unless there is a source with the whole file present... so don't worry about that

Overnet partial file sharing sucks btw

-glitch-

March 18th, 2003, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
Ok glitch.. dont tell me you haven't added partial file sharing to PFT yet?

Dude, that's very important if you want your program to grow and take people away from kazaa crap

Again I will say it, it's not MY program. Secondly how can you add partial file sharing to an existant protocol without a rewrite??? You can't this would not work on the fasttrack network, however I suppose there could be a backchannel for only ZoE clients and they can share partials between each other.