LinkSys Cable Router

[12345678910]

I am setting up a Linksys BEFSR41 ver. 2 Cable Router for my friend . I have all the wires connected but on the router I am not getting the WAN LED to light up. I have one Cat 5 going from the router to the other computer's ethernet card. I have the other Cat 5 going from the modem (ethernet) to the router (WAN).

On the help pamphlet, it says to make sure that the Cat 5 cable that we use is the one given to us from the cable provider. It is. It also says that if it is not the correct Cat 5 ( straight or crossed), then it will not work. My guess then is that the straight through cable which we are using is not the correct type for the modem and router.

Is there a setting inside either computer that will get the WAN light to light up or is it strictly a cable problem?

And does the IPs have to be configured on each computer for the WAN to work?

Windows XP
900 Mhz
128 Ram
Webstar Cable modem

Thanks for any help,
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[chipperrox]

Hey there- i believe i can relate, a few months ago, my befs... v2 router didnt work at all, the wan light didnt light= So what i did, was i plugged the cat5 coming from the modem- into the FOURTH port, and anything else into 1 2 or 3- however this was just a temp. solution because it died sporatically and I wasnt able to configure the router. I returned it to linksys (or the store u bought it ) because it was defective, and im pretty sure yours is two (it might be the cable crossover thing you described, but since i had the same problem, i dont think it is) The new one i got- works great!

[bobhss]

If you've unplugged all(computer, router and modem), waited 30 seconds, plugged in the power to the modem, waited for the cable light to go solid on it, plugged in the power to the router and still have no wan light then yeah, something not right with that router.

The router is set up to automatically give IPs, so you don't need to mess with the settings on the computers at all.

and like chipperrox mentioned it could be the cable (straight/crossover) too.

[12345678910]

We unplugged everything and plugged them back in and still no WAN light. We told the guy who installed the cable modem that we would be routing and he told us that we would be able to use the Cat 5 cable he gave us and that it would work.

He is going to call us back later and I will ask him if this is true.

Actually, when my friend plugged the Cat 5 into his ethernet card (It was the last to get plugged in), his PC shut down right when he plugged it in. Weird. And this PC shutdown for no reason earlier when I was reading your responses.

The only thing I have left to believe is that it may be defective.

Thanks,
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[dr. damn]

Unplug the router and plug the modem directly into the computer. Does it work? (Cable modems can take up to 10 minutes to connect to the network, so have patience.) Now try the other ethernet cable and see if it's defective.

[Krell]

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Forget the internet part of it, dont worry about that for now.


On each machine that you want to connect to the router, look at the TCP/IP properties, make sure it is set to Obtain an IP Address Automatically. So if it HAS an IP address, select automatic.

Go from the router to a computer, and type Ipconfig /all

What does it say?

type ipconfig /release
then
ipconfig /renew

What happens?

What are the ip addresses?

Try to ping the router IP address from each machine.

Finally, put a checkmark in Show Icon in notification area when connected. Does it have an X on it? Does it say "unplugged"

[gorphon]

this may or may not help....
I set up a linksys router early last year..... if memory serves me right I went into advanced settings and clicked the button that said something like, "clone host adapter" or "match host" something like that.... for some reason, it wont clone automatically....

hmm, incidentally, IM pretty sure it was "clone host adapter". and now that Ive put my 2 cents in I will end this post.

[12345678910]

Originally posted by Krell
Go from the router to a computer, and type Ipconfig /all

What does it say?

Very quickly I get a screen pop up and close with writing in white flash across the screen to fast to read.

type ipconfig /release
then
ipconfig /renew

What happens?

Ok, I did both and I get a very similar experience from what I just described. When I renewed the IP, the dos screen stayed up for a second and then I got a message from my firewall. I let it connect and the dos screen died. I got this from that window : C:\WINDOWS\System32\ipconfig.exe.

What are the ip addresses?

I don't understand how I would go about getting them on XP. On 98, I usually could just through winipcfg and easily get them.

Try to ping the router IP address from each machine.

I'm a little confused as to how to go about acheiving that.

Finally, put a checkmark in Show Icon in notification area when connected. Does it have an X on it? Does it say "unplugged"

I think this should tell you. As well as having the "X" in the conrtol panel and the "Local Area Network" and "A network cable is unplugged" in the control panel as well.

I did this all on the computer with the modem. I will go do the other computer the same and report back.

Thanks Guys,
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[Krell]

Are there 2 network cards in the same computer?

RUN > CMD > then type IPCONFIG (space)/all

NETSTAT (space)-AN

how many PCs are in question here?

[12345678910]

Originally posted by Krell
Are there 2 network cards in the same computer?

RUN > CMD > then type IPCONFIG (space)/all

NETSTAT (space)-AN

how many PCs are in question here?

There are two PCs in question here. Both run on XP. I did what you said and I got the information.(DNS, IPs, Subnet Mask, you know...)

I believe there is only one network card in this computer.

I would post the information from the CMD, but that would be kind of stupid...

Thanks,
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[12345678910]

I ran CMD on the other computer ( the one we are trying to get the internet to) and I did not get any Ips, DNS, or the like. I only got the first part ( the one with the TCP / UDPs).

Thanks,
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[Krell]

mmhmmmm

It wouldnt be stupid . . because if you are assigned an apipa address of 169. . . .. other than .1 it means you are not getting an IP address form the router.

Also, you do not not need 2 network solutions for that PC

Lose the USB.

Use the ethernet to connect with. No offense, but I think this is over your head for now. You have to do the basic things, and without that, you need magic dust.

[12345678910]

Originally posted by Krell
mmhmmmm

It wouldnt be stupid . . because if you are assigned an apipa address of 169. . . .. other than .1 it means you are not getting an IP address form the router.

Also, you do not not need 2 network solutions for that PC

Lose the USB.

Use the ethernet to connect with. No offense, but I think this is over your head for now. You have to do the basic things, and without that, you need magic dust.

Well, sorry, I meant I didn't want to post the IP for the world to see, thats all.

You are probably right that I need magic dust, lol.

Can you explain to me how I can connect wiithout using the USB? I only have one ethernet on the cable modem and it is being used by the router and the other is USB.

This is what I got from the CMD :

Thanks,
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P.S. - If for security reasons it is good to take down these pictures, let me know.

[Krell]

ISP ---------> Cable Modem --------> Router


Router -------- > Computer 1
-------- > Computer 2


Computer 1 = 1 network card

Computer 2 = 1 network card

Theoretically,

Computer 1 = 192.168.0.1

Computer 2 = 192.168.0.2

Then, run the Network Wizard, say you are a computer needing a network connection.

In some cases, may have to manually assign those IP addresses. Didnt you get paperwork with that Linksys? Have you been to their site?

I'm gone for a few hours, if anyone else has a similar router expound on this further, just please dont help bury him,

cheers

[12345678910]

Modem - 1 ethernet , 1 USB, 1 Power, 1 Coaxial

Router - 1 WAN, 4 Ports, 1 Uplink

First Computer - Nothings connected into the ethernet port. The modem goes through USB.

Second Computer - Cat 5 connected to ethernet port and thats it.

Everything is connected. Is this how it is supposed to be set up? It's how the paperwork says it should be.

I don't know what to do next, Local Area Network is saying that "Network Cable Unplugged".

I think my next book I read should be "Networking for Dummys". Anybody got a copy?

Peace,
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[Krell]

No, thats wrong, I showed you whats right.

The modem goes to the ROUTER, it does not touch the computers directly.


The ROUTER goes to the computers, thats how it "ROUTES"


MODEM ----> Router ----> Computers

[chipperrox]

dude- im puttin money that either the router is defective...or maybe its you...either way i say the router is a defect.

ps eh just kiddin bout you =defective....

[12345678910]

Originally posted by Krell
No, thats wrong, I showed you whats right.

The modem goes to the ROUTER, it does not touch the computers directly.


The ROUTER goes to the computers, thats how it "ROUTES"


MODEM ----> Router ----> Computers

I'm finished for the day.

Krell, The modem is plugged into the router. You are correct. This is how it has been since the beginning. And the router is connected to the other computer. What I am wondering is why you told me to get rid of the USB? If I do this, then their is no way to get the internet to the first computer.

And on the connection wizard. What is this about "bridging"? I'm lost..

I know that I am getting a lot of you angry. But, if I don't ask I won't learn. My dad is going to take a look at it tomorrow.

Flame me for my stupidity on this hardware. I don't care.

[Krell]

There is no angry, no stupidity, no flaming.

There is only a right way, and everything else that doesnt work.

If USB is the ONLY way to go, then use it. Keep in mind that I am not looking at this, and it takes hours to "get the picture" from here, as apposed to 5 minutes if I were there.

Take a break, regroup, and WRITE STUFF DOWN as you look at it.


cheers

[12345678910]

Originally posted by Krell
There is no angry, no stupidity, no flaming.

There is only a right way, and everything else that doesnt work.

If USB is the ONLY way to go, then use it. Keep in mind that I am not looking at this, and it takes hours to "get the picture" from here, as apposed to 5 minutes if I were there.

Take a break, regroup, and WRITE STUFF DOWN as you look at it.


cheers

USB is the only way to go.

I will write my notes down and relay them to you all tomorrow after we finish.

Thanks,
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[bobhss]

Do you have a network card in both computers? It sounds like one computer has no network card, but instead it has a USB to Ethernet Adapter.

OR it sounds like you are hooking the USB on the cable modem to either of the computers, which shouldn't be done if you have the ethernet cable on the modem plugged in too.

The bridging thing is not necessary.

http://www.iland.net/~ra9461/router temp.jpg

[12345678910]

Ok,

My friend bought a new router. We have it set up right and the first computer recognizes the connection. But, when we are on the network, we can't establish an internet connection. When we unplug the power to the router we can get on the internet fine.

I need to be plugged in and be on the internet at the same time so i can go through http://192.168.0.1 .

I am guessing that we can unplug the router and the modem and give it a little while, then restart the network. This should work.

After we get through this and set it up on this computer.

What should my next steps be?

I am guessing go through the same process on the other.

Thanks,
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[Krell]

You dont need to give it a rest, the router faeries arent tired yet. Thats a myth.

READ the instructions that came with it, see if the router assigns IP addresses, if so, leave your systems set to DHCP, automatically obtain an address.

[12345678910]

Originally posted by Krell
You dont need to give it a rest, the router faeries arent tired yet. Thats a myth.

READ the instructions that came with it, see if the router assigns IP addresses, if so, leave your systems set to DHCP, automatically obtain an address.

Ok, I read what the manual had to say and it said that the Local Area Network IP should be at a certain number. It is.

All the numbers are correct and the system is set to DHCP like you said.

Now, the cable modem specifics are set to a different IP set by DHCP. Is the cable modem IPs and subnet mask suppose to be the same as the router?

Thanks Krell,
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[Krell]

The cable company determines your IP address, and dishes it to you according to what your modems MAC address is.
So, maybe your 12.230.169.50

So that device talks to your cable company, so you can go to wwwwhateverthehell.com. Normally, your PC just uses DHCP, and uses that IP address, happy happy joy joy.

Now, you have a router. It is on your side of that cable modem. It is the go between from your PCs to your cable modem now. It knows about that 12.230.169.50 ip address. It will hand off requests from your PCs to go to wwwwhateverthehell.com to the cable modem.

In order to do that, it has to KNOW your PCs, and be talking to them. It also lets them talk to one another, and filter out unwanted chit chat.

Remember when I said write those numbers down? This is reason that you needed it.

This is stright from the Linksys page

Checklist
Check to see if your power supply is plugged into a socket, and that your Power LED is on.
Confirm that all Link LEDs for each of your hardware connections is on (green).
For the 1-Port EtherFast Router, make sure that your LAN toggle switch is set to position (x).
Make sure that all the PCs on your network have unique PC names, and the same Workgroup name.
Quick and Easy Setup Tests
Cat 5 Network Cable Test
Swap out cables to test for faulty cabling.


Crossover Cabling Test
If you have a 1-Port Router, try moving the toggle switch to position (X), as marked on the Router.

Faulty Network Card Test
Plug your cable or DSL modem directly into the RJ-45 port on your PC's network adapter, without using your Router. If your Internet connection is still not up, then it's very likely that your PC's network card is not functional.

Accessing Your Cable/DSL Router from PCs
Open your web browser, e.g., Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator.

At the top of the page in your browser's Address box, type "192.168.1.1," which is the default IP address of your EtherFast Cable/DSL Router. Press Enter.

A window with Username and Password prompts will appear. Leave the User Name field blank, and type in the default password admin in the Password field. Click OK.

Note! If this window does not appear, check your cabling and Link lights on the Router and network adapters. Or, try pinging the Router from a DOS prompt (under Start, then Run).

Go to Start, Run, and type in "winipcfg" to display the IP information for your network adapter. Highlight your network adapter by clicking on the drop down arrow. Your adapter should show an IP address of 192.168.1.1xx and a Default Gateway of 192.168.1.1.

If you do not get this IP information from the Router, click on Release all, then click on Renew all.

If you do not get a reply, make sure your TCP/IP settings are entered correctly. Check your browser settings and network adapter settings.

If it gets a message detecting proxy settings or tries to dial a connection, check your settings on your browser. It should have the aforementioned settings.

Try to access the Router thru your browser.

Testing Access to Your EtherFast Cable/DSL Router - How to Ping Your Router
To open up a DOS prompt, click on Start, Run, and type in "command." Press Enter.

At the DOS prompt, type in "ping 192.168.1.1," to direct your PC to try accessing the Router.

Your EtherFast Cable/DSL Router should respond with 4 valid ping replies. A single valid reply looks like this: "reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32, time 10ms TTL=128."

Possible Ping Error Messages: "Destination host unreachable" - You may have a bad cable connection or a bad network adapter connection. "Request timed out" - Pull up your Setup Wizard and check your Router's settings.

Basic Troubleshooting
Pinpointing the Issue
Most PC and network administrative settings require some modification before connecting to the Internet through your EtherFast Cable/DSL Router and your ISP's unique settings.

Since the cable and DSL markets have yet to be standardized, the majority of PCs, networks, and routers must be manually modified to enjoy high-speed service through your Internet service provider.

If a basic configuration of your EtherFast Cable/DSL Router does not give you Internet access automatically, first determine whether your ISP uses PPPoE, and whether they assign you a dynamic or static IP address for your account.

[12345678910]

He has a Netgear now. It is working properly. We got it so that we can get to the site that is required like you mentioned.

Now, when he set everything up as to "Get blah blah from ISP" and use the Mac address given. It shows him the Mac address in a little box.

It is hard to "see" the page he is talking about over the phone, but maybe you can tell me what the proper way to get this done.

When he went through the way he put it in. He gets the "This page cannot be displayed" message. I will try to get him to send me a pic of the page so that you can see it.

Finally a break through....

Thanks,
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[Krell]

ITS A MIRACLE



. . ..and all the people said "yea"



.

[12345678910]

Originally posted by Krell
ITS A MIRACLE



. . ..and all the people said "yea"



.

Thanks.

When he gets on messanger I will have him send me a picture of the site. ( 192.168.0.1 ) and I will post it up here.

I presume after we go through the online configuration then we can go ahead on the the other computer and run the Network Wizard and whatnot.

Thanks,
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P.S. - So much for resigning from this place... I can't seem to stay away...

[chipperrox]

im not followin the convosation at all, (too much babbling) but isnt the factory default address for the router 192.168.1.1 nstead of 192.168.0.1? it wa for mine, try that to get to the config screen