Fast downloads, woo hoo!

[Wheelz_Off]

Check out these speeds, I always get these with BearShare (on files with about 10 or more sources of course), single source downoloads suck on all file-sharing progs), my max connection speed is 1.8Mbps, wish it was more lol, anyway, it just shows that you can get files on gnutella.

I hear a lot of crap about gnutella that you can never get files, they never download and the like, well that's a lie.

Just livining up the forum a bit.

[PornMaster]

Holy shit! has Bearshare improved that much??

[Ken17625]

Check out these speeds, I always get these with BearShare (on files with about 10 or more sources of course), single source downoloads suck on all file-sharing progs), my max connection speed is 1.8Mbps, wish it was more lol, anyway, it just shows that you can get files on gnutella.

In some instances, you may be able to get files like you have done, but the selection of files is plain shit. Nobody want's to use Gnutella because it performs like shit. There are better networks with better content.

[Psilaxs]

I dont see any speed, I see theoretical available bandwidth, and how fast they WOULD come in, if that bandwidth was available.

I get those kind of estimates from Shareaza too, would be nice if it would come in at 2 megabits a second, but they NEVER do.

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
I dont see any speed, I see theoretical available bandwidth, and how fast they WOULD come in, if that bandwidth was available.

I get those kind of estimates from Shareaza too, would be nice if it would come in at 2 megabits a second, but they NEVER do. Yes, they do, that is the average speed of the transfer, maybe with Shareaza they don't but with Bearshare they go pretty fast.

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by PornMaster
Holy shit! has Bearshare improved that much?? Depends on how long it's been since you have used Bearshaere. If you haven't used it in a few months, then yes, it is that much improved.

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by Ken17625
In some instances, you may be able to get files like you have done, but the selection of files is plain shit. Nobody want's to use Gnutella because it performs like shit. There are better networks with better content. I'm not following, I understand gnutella doesnt have near as many users as edonkey/emule or kazaa but saying it has nothing is a bit ridiculous. Only on a few occasions can I not find the song I want on gnutella, be it Bearshare or Shareaza. Of course it sucks for large files, emule is for large files we all know that, but for mp3's and especially popular ones Bearshare rocks.

[r_xq]

Originally posted by Wheelz_Off
I'm not following, I understand gnutella doesnt have near as many users as edonkey/emule or kazaa but saying it has nothing is a bit ridiculous. Only on a few occasions can I not find the song I want on gnutella, be it Bearshare or Shareaza. Of course it sucks for large files, emule is for large files we all know that, but for mp3's and especially popular ones Bearshare rocks.

nope, for popular mp3's, kazaa has about 40 times as much content, so gnutella is pretty redundant in that respect.

yet another bearshare/shareza spam post

[MusikBeatz23]

KaZaA will have about 360 sources for 1 song and that was a pretty popular song it was ***Lo+se My Me*** you try 2 guess what song it was and i think thers even more now and those stats are for many other songs also.

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by r_xq
nope, for popular mp3's, kazaa has about 40 times as much content, so gnutella is pretty redundant in that respect.

yet another bearshare/shareza spam post Ok, what are some of these popular files that gnutella doesn't have? Unless you can name some your just spouting a meaningless opinion, and of course this is spam for BearShare, it IS the BearShare forum right?

[nasrules]

Originally posted by r_xq
nope, for popular mp3's, kazaa has about 40 times as much content, so gnutella is pretty redundant in that respect.

yet another bearshare/shareza spam post

i dont think its a spam post to tell the truth

the content is there on the gnutella network, its just that a lot of it takes days to download.

[r_xq]

Originally posted by Wheelz_Off
Ok, what are some of these popular files that gnutella doesn't have? Unless you can name some your just spouting a meaningless opinion, and of course this is spam for BearShare, it IS the BearShare forum right?

right, you should read my post again, you obviously had difficulty comprehending it. I didnt say gnutella had no content, i said Kazaa had around 40 times more content

So for every copy of Britneys latest single on gnutella there are 40 copies on kazaa. got it? so therefor, kazaa is 40 times better for getting popular content than gnutella. not a meaningless opinion.

i could paste a screenshoot showing K++ downloading the latest Mariah Carey album from about 30 sources, but that wouldnt prove anything.

Res ipsa loquitur

[r_xq]

Originally posted by nasrules
i dont think its a spam post to tell the truth

the content is there on the gnutella network, its just that a lot of it takes days to download.

maybe it is spam, maybe it isnt, but these two programs seem to be the only ones that attract fanboys like Wheelz_Off

[nasrules]

Originally posted by r_xq
maybe it is spam, maybe it isnt, but these two programs seem to be the only ones that attract fanboys like Wheelz_Off

maybe, just maybe, he LIKES gnutella???

[r_xq]

Originally posted by nasrules
maybe, just maybe, he LIKES gnutella???

maybe he does, but i was giving him a reason why kazaa is 40 times better than any gnutella client and the kid got a little upset booo hooo!

and what is there to 'like' about gnutella over fasttrack? unless you have a vested interest, of course

[John W. Lindh]

You could also ask what is there to like about linux over windows ...

[r_xq]

Originally posted by John W. Lindh
You could also ask what is there to like about linux over windows ...


you could, but that really has no relevance in this thread

[nasrules]

Originally posted by r_xq
maybe he does, but i was giving him a reason why kazaa is 40 times better than any gnutella client and the kid got a little upset booo hooo!

and what is there to 'like' about gnutella over fasttrack? unless you have a vested interest, of course

its called shareaza

[Skeptikal]

I'm OK with psilaxs... There is NO actual download speed shown... it is just the theorical available bandwich....

[r_xq]

Originally posted by nasrules
its called shareaza

whats your point exactly?

[r_xq]

Originally posted by Skeptikal
I'm OK with psilaxs... There is NO actual download speed shown... it is just the theorical available bandwich....

of course, if you have a 2MB connection and youre downoading from someone with a 2MB connection youre likely to get good download speeds no matter what program or network youre using

[Wheelz_Off]

You know what, I had a real long detalied response typed up and then realized, it's pointless, so you continue to use Kazaa, and I'll use BearShare (I never said to use Bearhsare in the first place, just pointed out it downloads fast as well :D), this will just turn into a flame war anyway, have a good day.

[r_xq]

i would have loved to have read your 'long detailed response'.

anyway, you posted some meaningless table showing bearshare 'download speeds' as if bearshare was the only p2p capable of downloading at thos speeds. i mean like the speed of someones internet connection isnt gonna affect their download speed,

then you misunderstood the point i was trying to make, made yourself look a bit stupid.

answer me one thing, why do you use bearshare when kazaa has 40 times the content?

[djy2ray]

Originally posted by r_xq
maybe he does, but i was giving him a reason why kazaa is 40 times better than any gnutella client and the kid got a little upset booo hooo!

and what is there to 'like' about gnutella over fasttrack? unless you have a vested interest, of course


If I can just throw my two cents in...I have experienced the same download speeds if not better that Wheelz posted, but the file content just isn't there...if there were more people on the gnutella clients, would those same speeds exist? I don't think so.

Fasttrack has tons of files with very good to fair speeds, but I just got tired of the multiple times Norton has popped up telling me I've got a file with a virus.

I'm sticking with WinMx and the OpenNap servers. True, the queue issue is there, but I have managed to download about 40 to 50 gigs a month (mainly complete albums). Everything I search for is there, I have not downloaded a virus as of yet, and you can always avoid the queues by sending a message and working out a trade.

But then again, that's just my opinion...

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by r_xq
answer me one thing, why do you use bearshare when kazaa has 40 times the content? Good question, be glad to answer that. I don't use Kazaa because I don't like the interface, it runs slow on my crappy computer, and I can't download from firewalled/router users on account of my router, even with dmz on I can only download from non-firewalled users. Btw, if you have a fix for that let me know, everynow and then I do use kazaa and my files never download due to that problem.

My downloads are all fast on BearShare, I have been using Bearshare for 2 years now, and stuck with it because the developrs communicate with the users and my performance with it has always been very good.

And not to start the war back up again but where does the 40 times more content come from? You did some researching I assume? How many does kazaa get when searching for "lose yourself" easily the most popular file, because Bearshare performs real well.

One last thing, the reason you use kazaa is because it has more users/files correct? Basically what I'm getting at is if Bearshare/gnutella had as many users as kazaa you would use Bearshare/gnutella?

[Wheelz_Off]

damn double post

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by MusikBeatz23
KaZaA will have about 360 sources for 1 song and that was a pretty popular song it was ***Lo+se My Me*** you try 2 guess what song it was and i think thers even more now and those stats are for many other songs also.
And how many of those sources will come from the RIAA?

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by djy2ray
Fasttrack has tons of files with very good to fair speeds, but I just got tired of the multiple times Norton has popped up telling me I've got a file with a virus. That's because you got a virus from KaZaA. And that's why Sharman decided to put in virus protection into KaZaA -- too many users complaining of virus-ridden files.

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by r_xq
answer me one thing, why do you use bearshare when kazaa has 40 times the content?
Because probably half of that content is misnamed files and/or virus-ridden files.

And there's no Bitzi integration into KaZaA.

[nasrules]

Originally posted by r_xq
whats your point exactly?

my point is this:

you asked what there is to like gnutella over fasttrack. dont get me wrong, i love k++!!!! however, i have to say that in general shareaza is probably the best p2p client available (in my opinion). if only......................shareaza on fasttrack.....................heaven

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by nasrules
however, i have to say that in general shareaza is probably the best p2p client available (in my opinion). if only......................shareaza on fasttrack.....................heaven
If only...... Shareaza comes to its senses and complies with the GDF. Mike said he was going to release the specs... three weeks gone by and no specs.

Shareaza is on the virge of being blocked out of the Gnutella network completely. And when that happens, Shareaza users will rely on other Shareaza users (which I must say is not as many as BearShare) for content. Shareaza, after that, will soon plummet into oblivion.

[r_xq]

Originally posted by Wheelz_Off
Good question, be glad to answer that. I don't use Kazaa because I don't like the interface, it runs slow on my crappy computer, and I can't download from firewalled/router users on account of my router, even with dmz on I can only download from non-firewalled users. Btw, if you have a fix for that let me know, everynow and then I do use kazaa and my files never download due to that problem.

My downloads are all fast on BearShare, I have been using Bearshare for 2 years now, and stuck with it because the developrs communicate with the users and my performance with it has always been very good.

And not to start the war back up again but where does the 40 times more content come from? You did some researching I assume? How many does kazaa get when searching for "lose yourself" easily the most popular file, because Bearshare performs real well.

One last thing, the reason you use kazaa is because it has more users/files correct? Basically what I'm getting at is if Bearshare/gnutella had as many users as kazaa you would use Bearshare/gnutella?

http://www.slyck.com/index.php

kazaa has over 4 million users 24/7, gnutella has less than 100,000. so im guessing each person on each network if sharing about the same amount of files, therefor thats 40 times the content.

didnt do the search for Lose Yourself, cos K++ searches continuously, and would produce 40 times the results of gnutella if left searching long enough. its simple maths (or math)

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by r_xq
kazaa has over 4 million users 24/7, gnutella has less than 100,000.
The number of users doesn't matter; it's the number of users you can search.

[Etnies]

kazzaa may have more users, but they consist mainly of leeches.

kazaa has around 4 million users at any one time and i still have to search for a while to find something that isnt fake, its a good job there is a 'search more' button.

when i use dc there are about 200 hundred users and I instantly find somehthing I need/want.

Perhaps all the users on gnutella are real file sharers? not like the leeches you find on kazaa. If this was the case it doesnt matter how many users there are.

--- quality not quantity ---

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by r_xq
kazaa has over 4 million users 24/7, gnutella has less than 100,000.
No, Gnutella does not have less tan 100,000 users. I've known users that have a horizon of more than 100,000. The actual number is closer to 500,000.

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by Etnies
its a good job there is a 'search more' button.
Except you can only press it twice.

Perhaps all the users on gnutella are real file sharers? not like the leeches you find on kazaa. If this was the case it doesnt matter how many users there are.
Not all, but most. Users on the Gnutella network aren't hampered by "Participation Level" so they are happy to share. Also, many Gnutella programs, including BearShare, are integrated with Bitzi, a free database of metadata information on various files that Bitzi members submit.

[Psilaxs]

With K++ you can press search more as many times as you want, i have had over 300,000 results come in with auto search more. (kills your net coinnection though, and slows comp to a crawl)

Also, there is still no showing of his actual download speed, you would think that after 3 pages of banter he would have posted a screen shot of the song coming in. I mean surely with 3700 results, it would fly in.

On kazaa i get bandwidth estimates that are insane, far higher then my download ability, like 17000K E.G 5 mins for 700+ megs, does it come in that fast? hell no.

So, just post a simple picture of you actually downloading a song.

Best Regards,
Psilaxs

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Also, there is still no showing of his actual download speed,
At the end of a transfer, BearShare shows your average download speed.

So, just post a simple picture of you actually downloading a song.
Me downloading a song? ~10 minutes buddy -- I'm on 56K.

[vDave]

right, you should read my post again, you obviously had difficulty comprehending it. I didnt say gnutella had no content, i said Kazaa had around 40 times more content

So for every copy of Britneys latest single on gnutella there are 40 copies on kazaa. got it? so therefor, kazaa is 40 times better for getting popular content than gnutella. not a meaningless opinion.

i could paste a screenshoot showing K++ downloading the latest Mariah Carey album from about 30 sources, but that wouldnt prove anything.

Res ipsa loquitur


If kazaa has more content currently, it is only because they have more users. However, more users == more demand, so your assertion is wrong that 40x more users == 40x more content == 40x better for downloading...

You asked (in another post) why you should use BearShare over Kazaa.

Here would be my reasons, take them or leave them for what they are worth...

1) Kazaa has plenty of spyware. BearShare has none in betas and only save! in releases, and save! isn't spyware.

2) Magnet links - Ever been to fasttrackmovies.com? They allow SIG2DAT links to known valid content. Well, SIG2DAT is great if you like running 3rd party software to "prep" your downloads. BearShare has magnet support. Start making those pages with 1-click p2p downloads! =)

3) Advanced DownloadMesh support. I *know* this works well, far better than any system I have seen in any other p2p app so far.

4) Content. BearShare (and therefore Gnutella) are not the same as they were 2 years, 1 year, or even 6 months ago. There is a *ton* of content available. I personally have *never* had a problem finding whatever I am looking for, whether it be a song, movie, tv show, video game, snes game, etc...
Saying that "Gnutella doesn't have enough content" simply demonstrates that the speaker either:
a) uses a shitty, outdated Gnutella client or
b) needs a real ISP or
c) is speaking from outdated or nonexistent information

5) BearShare developers listen to thier users! Try getting a desired feature implemented in Kazaa! For that matter, try reaching Kazaa authors at all! Now, hop on over to BearShare's beta forum and see the interaction? Tons of suggestions from users are implemented, and many that suck aren't. But at least the developers are *listening* to the users.

So keep using Kazaa if you want, and if you like AltNet and spyware being installed behind your back. Keep using Kazaa if you are too stubborn to realize that networks evolve, and Gnutella of 2 years ago is not the same as Gnutella now, by any means.

However, if you want a decent experience, finding tons of content of all kinds (and not limited to 128Kbps) then jump over to Gnutella!

The current feature set of Gnutella/BearShare, along with the next wave of planned improvements, make it well worth it... Try it and maybe "Res ipsa loquitur" will be appropriate! =)

Also, in regards to the poster who said that the thread's initial image was "possible speeds", you simply demonstrated your lack of knowledge. BearShare's green entries are COMPLETED downloads, and those are the ACTUAL transfer speeds for the listed files.

Let the flames begin! =)

-dave-

[vDave]

With K++ you can press search more as many times as you want, i have had over 300,000 results come in with auto search more. (kills your net coinnection though, and slows comp to a crawl)

Also, there is still no showing of his actual download speed, you would think that after 3 pages of banter he would have posted a screen shot of the song coming in. I mean surely with 3700 results, it would fly in.

On kazaa i get bandwidth estimates that are insane, far higher then my download ability, like 17000K E.G 5 mins for 700+ megs, does it come in that fast? hell no.

So, just post a simple picture of you actually downloading a song.

Best Regards,
Psilaxs


Dumbass!

That picture *IS* the transfer speeds!
Don't believe me? Download BearShare and see for yourself! (Assuming that your connection can handle those types of speeds. I can *always* saturate my T1 both ways with BearShare)

See the 'TIME' column there? That is how long each song took for him to download. Average of 20-30 seconds apiece...

-dave-

[Ghost 23]

Originally posted by Wheelz_Off
Check out these speeds, I always get these with BearShare (on files with about 10 or more sources of course), single source downoloads suck on all file-sharing progs), my max connection speed is 1.8Mbps, wish it was more lol, anyway, it just shows that you can get files on gnutella.

I hear a lot of crap about gnutella that you can never get files, they never download and the like, well that's a lie.

Just livining up the forum a bit.

That must have been some fluke of the internet b/c i installed that software on my system for a few dayz now and I still have yet to dl anything to my system and I very sure all the settings are ok but I guesss if just doesn't work for me A.

[linuxrocks]

Are there any error messages? Are you running a software firewall? Do you have a router?

This question would be better asked on the BearShare Forums (www.bearshare.com/forum).

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by vDave
Dumbass!

That picture *IS* the transfer speeds!
Don't believe me? Download BearShare and see for yourself! (Assuming that your connection can handle those types of speeds. I can *always* saturate my T1 both ways with BearShare)

See the 'TIME' column there? That is how long each song took for him to download. Average of 20-30 seconds apiece...

-dave-

Calm down, yeesh, ok , fine, i will go download bearshare,
and post some screenies, OH and BTW before you call me a dumbass make sure you actually KNOW how fast a T1 line is,
you say you get those speeds constantly, on "your" T1, funny when a T1 is only 1.5Mbit up and down (and thats megabit not BYTE)

BEST regards,
Psilaxs

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
OH and BTW before you call me a dumbass make sure you actually KNOW how fast a T1 line is,
you say you get those speeds constantly, on "your" T1, funny when a T1 is only 1.5Mbit up and down (and thats megabit not BYTE)
The BearShare developers have two T1 lines feeding into their office. I think they will know how fast a T1 is. (Dave is a BearShare developer, if you didn't know that already)

[Psilaxs]

well, for being a developer he sure is a jerk. Should treat prospective users better then calling them a dumbass

I have enclosed a little picture of tha "Blazing speeds" from bearshare

[Psilaxs]

Heres another, look at all these sources, and yet the file is crawling in, (over 50 sources)

[linuxrocks]

You can show columns by right-clicking the column headers and checking the appropriate columns.

[Iconoclast]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
I have enclosed a little picture of tha "Blazing speeds" from bearshare With only three sources transferring, that's not bad at all. More sources = faster downloads. That's just common sense.

Also, your screencap doesn't give much information other than, at a specific point in time, you had three sources downloading at a combined 172 Kbps. The screencap that started this thread showed the average download speed and total download time of completed files, which I think is a much better metric.

In reality BearShare is currently much faster with smaller files (like MP3s). I suspect that the transfer rates for large files will improve with BearShare once they impliment partial file sharing.

[Psilaxs]

The whole point is, all those sources i had, and it was crawling in little by litte, yeah, it is great for MP3's, thats about it.

But it has a major problem getting sources. And for 3 sources that isnt good, at least i dont consider it good.


Look at the second picture, i had hundreds of sources, only a few were active

[linuxrocks]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Look at the second picture, i had hundreds of sources, only a few were active
For your connection type, what did you put it as?

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
The whole point is, all those sources i had, and it was crawling in little by litte, yeah, it is great for MP3's, thats about it.

But it has a major problem getting sources. And for 3 sources that isnt good, at least i dont consider it good.


Look at the second picture, i had hundreds of sources, only a few were active

Are you firewalled? Because when i used gnutella (cant at the moment on college lan) and if your firewall is filtering the port gnutella uses and performance goes to hell. All the really fast users are firewalled which you cant download from firewalled users.

For gnutella smaller files have are pretty good larger files its hit and miss sometimes..

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
The whole point is, all those sources i had, and it was crawling in little by litte, yeah, it is great for MP3's, thats about it.

But it has a major problem getting sources. And for 3 sources that isnt good, at least i dont consider it good.


Look at the second picture, i had hundreds of sources, only a few were active Most of those sources are from download mesh, souces stored in bearshares memory and sent to you by other users to try and download from, most of them don't work because the people are no longer online. Aslo gnutella sucks for large files, I already said that, I was saying it was good for mp3's (and it is), there is no way to try and say it is good for large files, it jsut plain isn't.

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by nasrules
my point is this:

you asked what there is to like gnutella over fasttrack. dont get me wrong, i love k++!!!! however, i have to say that in general shareaza is probably the best p2p client available (in my opinion). if only......................shareaza on fasttrack.....................heaven And I would love to see Bearshare or any other quality program (kazaa is just a bad program IMHO) on a network with 4 million users, that would be pretty cool, not going to happen but it would be cool nonetheless..

[jonny5]

Never seen what bearshare looked like until those screen shots. Kinda neat looking statistics thing on the left hand side.

I don't know if i would want to see gnutella w/ close to 4 million users. That would probably only happen the day kazaa was no more, and all the kazaa users switched. heh.. then they would bring all their wonderful virus laden files to other networks. I'm sure one day we'll see people migrate to other clients.

[Psilaxs]

I had my connection set properly, 2mbit in 256 out, broadband. Firewall configured properly.

BTW that info bar on the side in mine, not bearshares.

[backmann]

Originally posted by r_xq
kazaa has over 4 million users 24/7, gnutella has less than 100,000. so im guessing each person on each network if sharing about the same amount of files, therefor thats 40 times the content.

Gnutella is a decentralised network, so it's very difficult to know the exact amount of hosts. According to Morpheus, is over a million (which is not very trustful). Limewire's hosts count shows 110.000. But, as I said, it is not accurate.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by jonny5
I don't know if i would want to see gnutella w/ close to 4 million users. That would probably only happen the day kazaa was no more, and all the kazaa users switched. heh.. then they would bring all their wonderful virus laden files to other networks. I'm sure one day we'll see people migrate to other clients. Let them bring all their virii over to gnutella, Limewire, Shareaza, and Bearshare all block the fake/virus results in searches anyway, so if they bring 4 million users, I'll take my chances while downloading. Besides I have downloaded quite a few files on kazaa as well, I havent seen a virus yet, but kazaa lite filters those out like gnutella clients.

[gnutellafan]

Some of the critics hear have some points. Gnutella is not great @ THE MOMENT for large files. However it is BETTER than fasttrack for Music and programs. Emule is a better network for large files but much more difficult for noobs to set up. Also, once BS incorportates partial file sharing (next release I hope) it will be better than emule for large files technology wise. Then it will just need users.

If you havent tried Bearshare in awhile you should. It is the most stable client out there. It uses minimal system resources and is so optimized it isnt funny. Vinnie puts his focus on the quality and stability of the code not the # of features. The features are coming and when they are implemented they work perfectly.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

GnutellaFan..... Bearshare isn't all that special. I checked it out a couple days ago to see what all the fuss was about, damn for popular songs it rocks... if you try finding those rare files you can be stuck searching for hours without any results. I was getting hammered with uploaders all the time but when I tried downloading a movie... it was going at around 20k which wasn't that bad but the amount of sources available compared to the amount I was downloading from was unbelievable. 5 out of 142? Come on... that's just sad

If i want to download movies, I'll do it on K++ becuase I can get the movie I want within 2-3 hours from tons of fast sources that dont get dropped.

If I want something else to download, I'll use Shareaza, If I can't find it on shareaza, I'll go to K++.

For mp3s, there is nothing compared to Winmx in my opinion. Those are my 3 programs that I use constantly, and they never dissappoint.

Btw, bearshare doesn't have partial file sharing? Ouch

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by gnutellafan
Some of the critics hear have some points. Gnutella is not great @ THE MOMENT for large files. However it is BETTER than fasttrack for Music and programs. Emule is a better network for large files but much more difficult for noobs to set up. Also, once BS incorportates partial file sharing (next release I hope) it will be better than emule for large files technology wise. Then it will just need users.

If you havent tried Bearshare in awhile you should. It is the most stable client out there. It uses minimal system resources and is so optimized it isnt funny. Vinnie puts his focus on the quality and stability of the code not the # of features. The features are coming and when they are implemented they work perfectly.

I intend this statement to be taken lightheartedly, and with playfulness.
But better for MP3's my ass LOL

I have NEVER downloaded an MP3 from gnutella as fast as i have from kazaa Over 250K a second on fasttrack, about 8-16 seconds or less for a MP3, I will not deny that gnutella has improved immensely over the last 14 months, but it is just not as fast or as efficient as fasttrack (yet)

BEST regards Gnutellafan,
Psilaxs

[gnutellafan]

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
GnutellaFan..... Bearshare isn't all that special. ]

Of course I would disagree. And where Bearshare really excells is in stability and system resources. BS is the most stable file sharing client I have tried and it uses less system resources than anything else Ive tried. You cant say that for any of your picks. In fact shareaza is the worst of them for stability and resources. It crashes on me all the time, takes forever to connect, and hogs my system when I get it to run.


Btw, bearshare doesn't have partial file sharing? Ouch

OF the programs you favor the only one that does have partial file sharing is shareaza. Emule/ed2k are the best clients currently for large files because of their partial file sharing. However the protocol that Tor and MYSELF wrote for partial file sharing on the gnutella network is far better then that used by any other network. Bearshare is in the process of implementing it as we speak. As I said above, it takes BS a bit longer to implement the features but that is because they put more focus on the quality, stability, and optimization of the code than other clients.

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1) Kazaa has plenty of spyware. BearShare has none in betas and only save! in releases, and save! isn't spyware.

KaZaA users have options. We don't have to use the original KaZaA Media Desktop. We have alternative sources to use KaZaA ( url=http://doa2.host.sk/]KaZaA Lite[/url] ). So this theory is flawed.

2) Magnet links - Ever been to fasttrackmovies.com? They allow SIG2DAT links to known valid content. Well, SIG2DAT is great if you like running 3rd party software to "prep" your downloads. BearShare has magnet support. Start making those pages with 1-click p2p downloads! =)

Congratulations, you have magnet links, how great. In my opinion, the Sig2dat links work fine and i would rather be talking to the people who have the files through a forum than just clicking on some website of which I don't even know how many people have that such file.

5) BearShare developers listen to thier users! Try getting a desired feature implemented in Kazaa! For that matter, try reaching Kazaa authors at all! Now, hop on over to BearShare's beta forum and see the interaction? Tons of suggestions from users are implemented, and many that suck aren't. But at least the developers are *listening* to the users.

This is a great feature of Bearshare and I wish that the Fasttrack users had the same option. The KaZaA users have to keep quiet and you know why. So, don't give me that "KaZaA developers suck because they don't listen" shit. We have people who listen for us. They decompile the program and implement the features we like to see. Is this the best way to do things? I think so. Why? Because the KaZaA user base is wide. It is huge. The KaZaA Lite user base is small. We can gather our thoughts and present them to randum nut. So, It's a matter of how you think about it. KaZaA or KaZaA lite. We have options.

However, if you want a decent experience, finding tons of content of all kinds (and not limited to 128Kbps) then jump over to Gnutella!

I find files on the Fasttrack network over 128Kbps everyday. See, you didn't say "Bearshare". You said "Gnutella". Fasttrack has these files. You just have to know how to get them. The regular Fasttrack users don't give a damn about the bitrates of the files. This is true for every network. Remember, I said regular users.

Except you can only press it twice.

Do your research before you start blurting things out like that. The newest version of K++ you can search as many times as you like. Yet, another great feature implemented by randum nut.

Not all, but most. Users on the Gnutella network aren't hampered by "Participation Level" so they are happy to share. Also, many Gnutella programs, including BearShare, are integrated with Bitzi, a free database of metadata information on various files that Bitzi members submit.

This is bullshit. Every network has leechers. The Gnutella network is no different that any other network when it comes to leeching. Why is the Fasttrack network more prone to leeching? Maybe because it has 4 Million users. You do the math.

No, Gnutella does not have less tan 100,000 users. I've known users that have a horizon of more than 100,000. The actual number is closer to 500,000.

I'd love to know where you got that number. As far as I know Gnutella is decentralized (http://www.macinstruct.com/tutorials/gnutella/). So, therefore you won't be able to know how many users are on at the same time. KaZaA has to have support for some type of medium to tell the program how many users are on at a specific time. It makes you wonder how we really know if it is completely decentralized or not according to supernodes.

However the protocol that Tor and MYSELF wrote for partial file sharing on the gnutella network is far better then that used by any other network. Bearshare is in the process of implementing it as we speak.

KaZaA is better for speeds of any file size. The implementation of partial file downloading and the ability to find more sources makes it great speed-wise. Gnutella is lacking in this area. Let me know when ths code gets implemented, I would like to check it out.

Peace,
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KaZaA P2P FastTrack File Formats - 2003-02-09 (http://kzfti.cjb.net/)

KaZaA Lite (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5595)

[gnutellafan]

KaZaA is better for speeds of any file size. The implementation of partial file downloading and the ability to find more sources makes it great speed-wise. Gnutella is lacking in this area. Let me know when ths code gets implemented, I would like to check it out.


Since when did kazaa have partial file sharing. Granted its been a week or 2 since Ive fired up kazaa but they do not have partial file sharing as far as I know. You can dl parts of files from different sources, but this is not partial file sharing, its called swarming and most gnutella clients, including bearshare have this feature. Partial file sharing is when the client starts to share the file before the file is finished being downloaded.

[12345678910]

Originally posted by gnutellafan
Since when did kazaa have partial file sharing. Granted its been a week or 2 since Ive fired up kazaa but they do not have partial file sharing as far as I know. You can dl parts of files from different sources, but this is not partial file sharing, its called swarming and most gnutella clients, including bearshare have this feature. Partial file sharing is when the client starts to share the file before the file is finished being downloaded.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know there was difference between the two. Now I do.

Partial file sharing automatically shares the files you download, before they've finished. This allows all users downloading a file to simultaneously share off each other, resulting in a faster and more efficient download experience.

Peace,
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[evilmegaman]

Another client that has partial file sharing is winMX but it does it horribly...

[Evil_Dweller_01]

No it doesn't
Whats wrong with Winmx's partial file sharing system?

Btw, can't wait for the new version!

[FrYGuY]

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
Whats wrong with Winmx's partial file sharing system?

Mainly that the file, no matter what, is downloaded consecutively. IE, start to finish. Most other PFS systems give you random sections of a file, so that it becomes possible for you to not only get the first person as a source, but a person downloading concurrently with you as a source (And they can download from you as well). This method allows the entire file to transfer to both downloaders more quickly than otherwise possible.

[Ah! Leah]

hiiii FrYGuY......i remember you!!!

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[FrYGuY]

Originally posted by Ah! Leah
hiiii FrYGuY......i remember you!!!

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Hey Leah! I was starting to wonder where you ran off to! :tilted

[evilmegaman]

Hey fryguy thanx for a bit of info on that cuz I couldn't put it into words... but it shares incomplete files in your shared folder rather than an incomplete folder so when they are downloading and you try to join a DC hub you will get banned...:sw