File Sharing Blamed Again!

[ronniebravo]

In my local newspaper today there was a story about local music stores being "forced" out of the business by vast numbers of "pirates" like you and me. It mentions how p2p technology is the downfall to almost everything and how we should all be put into shackles and thrown into prison. It does not however talk about the lack of quality in most but not all of todays's Music. It does not mention that people over thirty really don't care what happens to the industry due to years of their abuse. It does not mention the fact that to actually press a cd costs little. It does not mention the fact that faced with all of this, and the possibility of the industry collapsing, that the record labels continue to raise the prices of cd's. I get sick and tired of the RIAA and all of the others pointing the finger at me and blaming me for all of the troubles facing their industry. File sharing may face some of the blame but not all! They should all wake up, face the facts that the technology is out there and deal with it in some CONSTRUCTIVE manner. Perhaps then I may want to spend my hard earned money on their products.

[isus]

file sharing will be blamed for everything... poverty in america, hunger in africa... it doesnt matter what, its our fault.

but notice who spends millions trying to put napster and kazaa and the rest out of business? the riaa. and the mpaa takes their fair share too. so, where does the fault really lie? not with them, bc they represent ppl who make lots of money.

but we are like the rest, we work at normal jobs, so we are evil.

they can kiss my ass :)

[guido123]

Record stores are way out dated: because no one who has a computer and cd burner wil ever buy a ready made cd any more: no mather if they take there music from "illegal'" p2p programs,or "legal" services like pressplay ore musicnet. The money wich in the past went to the musicstores now ends up with the ISP: and these consumers spend more on the means to get music than they ever did in music stores.

So is not the consumers who are to blame, but the outdated music industry it self.

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by guido123
Record stores are way out dated: because no one who has a computer and cd burner wil ever buy a ready made cd any more: no mather if they take there music from "illegal'" p2p programs,or "legal" services like pressplay ore musicnet. The money wich in the past went to the musicstores now ends up with the ISP: and these consumers spend more on the means to get music than they ever did in music stores.

So is not the consumers who are to blame, but the outdated music industry it self.
Thats actually a very good point, never thought about the fact you pay more for broadband to get this stuff than you would to get the cd

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by isus
file sharing will be blamed for everything... poverty in america, hunger in africa... it doesnt matter what, its our fault.

but notice who spends millions trying to put napster and kazaa and the rest out of business? the riaa. and the mpaa takes their fair share too. so, where does the fault really lie? not with them, bc they represent ppl who make lots of money.

but we are like the rest, we work at normal jobs, so we are evil.

they can kiss my ass :)

Well said Isus

They blame us for everything and yet they are the ones who spend millions of dollars trying to stop file sharing..

Those idiots

[Siskabush]

Gad dammit.

Okay, I got lots of Mp3's by several artists.

Meaning, if i wanted all the songs i like, i would have to purchase about 100-200 CD's.

That leaves me with all my tunes, but also with 1000-1500 songs i hate. Seems like a waste to me.

and 30$/month to have access to all the music that is hard to find cuz its not mainstream is much better a deal then 30$ a CD (Especially when i can customize one for a buck, 5 minutes of my time, and a few watts of electricity to burn it.)

In conclusion, The RIAA would be better off to side and give the "Pirates" what they want for a fair price, because the consumer (Or pirate in RIAA lingo) wont put up with thier abuse anymore.

[endersgame21]

Thats actually a very good point, never thought about the fact you pay more for broadband to get this stuff than you would to get the cd

Actually, it depends on how many songs you download. But usually you do end up paying more for broadband even though I use my broadband for a lot more than filesharing and my dad pays for it rather than me paying for my own cds

[joemama1]

Originally posted by ronniebravo
In my local newspaper today there was a story about local music stores being "forced" out of the business by vast numbers of "pirates" like you and me. It mentions how p2p technology is the downfall to almost everything and how we should all be put into shackles and thrown into prison. It does not however talk about the lack of quality in most but not all of todays's Music. It does not mention that people over thirty really don't care what happens to the industry due to years of their abuse. It does not mention the fact that to actually press a cd costs little. It does not mention the fact that faced with all of this, and the possibility of the industry collapsing, that the record labels continue to raise the prices of cd's. I get sick and tired of the RIAA and all of the others pointing the finger at me and blaming me for all of the troubles facing their industry. File sharing may face some of the blame but not all! They should all wake up, face the facts that the technology is out there and deal with it in some CONSTRUCTIVE manner. Perhaps then I may want to spend my hard earned money on their products.



The music industry itself is the one who should be "Thrown in shackles and imprisoned" AND all of the IDIOTS who believe their garbage! It is not the fault of the consumer that P2P was born, but the music industries GREED and not wanting to make any singles , but rather make someone pay for a 20.00 CD that MAY have 2 good songs on it (usually just 1) and even then, trying to promote boy and girl bands that couldn't write a piece of music or play an instrument if their life depended on it! These so called "acts" are then advertised by the industry as something we can't do without! Well they can KISS MY ASS when it comes to them trying to control what I will and won't listen to! I hope all of the music industry bigwigs are getting the message....people are TIRED OF YOUR SHIT! Either learn how to cook...... or get the FUCK OUT OF THE KITCHEN!! That translates to....either get REAL bands with talent and lower your CD prices, make CDs with more than 1 or 2 good songs, and finally, GIVE THE PEOPLE A CHOICE OF SINGLES OR CD's......IT IS THEIR MONEY! Either that, or go get yourself in the UNEMPLOYMENT LINE....mabye you can get a job as a streetsweeper or something!

[Galileo]

SInce you're taking your time to write stuff here,
write a letter back to that newspaper about the class-action lawsuit where the record companies are accused of conspiring to jack up the prices of CD's and set a minimum advertised price in Record Stores. Everyone and anyone who bought even 1 cd will get a retribution payment.

"The five largest music companies and three of the USA's largest music retailers agreed Monday to pay $67.4 million and distribute $75.7 million in CDs to public and non-profit groups to settle a lawsuit led by New York and Florida over alleged price-fixing "

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-30-cd-settlement_x.htm

[guido123]

Originally posted by Galileo
SInce you're taking your time to write stuff here,
write a letter back to that newspaper about the class-action lawsuit where the record companies are accused of conspiring to jack up the prices of CD's and set a minimum advertised price in Record Stores. Everyone and anyone who bought even 1 cd will get a retribution payment.

"The five largest music companies and three of the USA's largest music retailers agreed Monday to pay $67.4 million and distribute $75.7 million in CDs to public and non-profit groups to settle a lawsuit led by New York and Florida over alleged price-fixing "

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-30-cd-settlement_x.htm

This still going on trough the internet music services Pressplay and musicnet: how come that these services charge 9 dollers a month and a aditional doller for each song wich you burn to a cd?

Compare these prices to those of the totally legal www.weblisten.com: they offer unlimited downloads wich can be burned to cd for 8 hour for just 3 euro, and 48 hours for just 12 euro. You can download tens of songs during this period.

This site pays the artist and is already operating since 1998: and you can find almost any song on it.

So can anybody explain me why pressplay and musicnet are so much more expensive?

i sure cant.

[Siskabush]

Originally posted by guido123
So can anybody explain me why pressplay and musicnet are so much more expensive?

i sure cant.

Well, I can.

Its because the labels are greedy, and they also think were stupid enough to fall for that crap.

The industry just needs to do 1 thing, that is to smarten up and realize we wont tolerate paying so much for so little.

[guido123]

Originally posted by endersgame21
Actually, it depends on how many songs you download. But usually you do end up paying more for broadband even though I use my broadband for a lot more than filesharing and my dad pays for it rather than me paying for my own cds

I use my broadband also for other things, like reading the newspapers online. But if it wasnt for filesharing i would never have taken broadband because reading the papers is also very well possible with a 56 Kbit dailup wich only cost a fraction of broadband.

But since ive gotten broadband im spending more time on the internet and using it for more things than just reading papers and lissening to music. And im alble to download al the songs i like, instead of having to buy a whole cd of wich i just like a few songs: so my broadband offers me way more valua for money than any cd or subscruption to magazine does. And im spending WAY more money on it than i ever did did on cd´s, magazines, and other entertaiment.

Im certainly willing to pay for legal music downloads: but after spending 40 euro a month on broadband i simply cant affort to pay 1 euro a song. And using a legal music service on a dailup doesnt work very wel either: because it would take me about 45 minutes to download just one song.

So the only way i would be able to use and affort legal music service is if they are way more cheaper than those currently developt by the music industry.

And this is possible: how else could weblisten have survived for 4 years: a certainly hope that the RIAA and Buma Stemra (the dutch RIAA) learn from this site and start realising that the only way the music industry can survive is by offering cheap downloads without any reistrictions.

[endersgame21]

I think what ultimately needs to happen is everybody should switch over to broadband and it needs to be a lot more affordable. (I'd say around 25-30 bucks a month, maybe if 20 bucks) And yes, the music services should also come down in price which could also happen if more people used them instead of illegal methods of filesharing. Right now both of those things are just too expensive.

[Theinfamousone]

Yeah, I pay about $15 more a month for 2.5Mbit cable vs MSN or something. It's $40, and MSN is what, $23.95 nowaydays? My sister downloads tons of music, so just that right there makes it worth it. For the hundreds of TV shows and movies I download each MONTH I think it's worth it. Without it, I would have absolutely nothing to do when I got home from working 8 hours. It's nice to come home and check your downloads, watch old TV shows on the comp, listen to any music you want, talk to zeropaid people about how great it is.

Like I keep saying, the RIAA should hire some programmers to make a really AWESOME P2P prog, and just load it full of spyware and adware until the cows come home, and they could make tons off of it. Then Random Nut will fix it for people like us that hate that kind of stuff, and then everyone is happy.

Drrr, I wonder if the RIAA is price fixing. That blows me away that it took a court to figure that out. Whenever a bunch of big companies get together and make a BS organization, what do you think they are doing? They are freakin price fixing. There is absolutely no competition, and there still isn't, I don't care if they were sued. CD prices are still going up.

Record stores will never be completely out of date. Even though with any computer bought in the last 2 years you can make a CD without even knowing that mp3 and CD audio are different formats, a lot of people don't have time to sit there and download songs they want., buy CD-R's, burn their music. Or they just feel it's wrong or whatever. Some people want to support their artist. Some people want to have the pretty cover and booklet that comes with CD cases and what not. But the RIAA needs to go away, and the record labels need to downsize, and start selling CD burners and high speed internet, and make their own awesome P2P program that makes money just from ads.

[Galileo]

And change broadband so it's EQUAL speed upload & download!

[Siskabush]

I pay 45$ canadian for my 10mbps connection. *Flashes his super connection to the rest of the world* lol.

And I use the net for a whole lot more, I use it to find techno, cuz i cant find it in stores, therefore the RIAA can piss off, and blame theirselves for trying to get everyone to listen to rock and pop.

I use it to play online games, view pages faster, chat, etc...

[ghost of zorro]

Originally posted by isus
file sharing will be blamed for everything... poverty in america, hunger in africa... it doesnt matter what, its our fault.

but notice who spends millions trying to put napster and kazaa and the rest out of business? the riaa. and the mpaa takes their fair share too. so, where does the fault really lie? not with them, bc they represent ppl who make lots of money.

but we are like the rest, we work at normal jobs, so we are evil.

they can kiss my ass :)



I dont care who goes out of business stores etc etc. I will always be a pirate in the past and in the future btw I like your guage avatar man she sucks some good ####!