__-Earth Station 5-__

[method]

Okay... I've heard of something called ES5...

From what I can make out, the developers are currently just listing features they'd LIKE to implement and they're apparently hyping it already. (RapidRoadesque??)

It's gonna use SSL, ISPs and Colleges won't be able to block it 'coz it'll be using random ports so shaping won't work (i think protocol-stack blocking might have something to say on that one!!), it's using HTTP but with special ES5 keys so only users on the network can interract with it. You won't be able to scan users, especially not with the help of the UDP structure.

Their mails mention "Elite" and "P2P Revolution" and other little buzz-phases like that.

So... any news?? Has ZP received any hype yet... does it amount to much or should we just go.. "uhhuh.. believe it when we see it!!" (and not just screenshots!!!)

Just curious as to whether there's more than words behind this new 'leet revolution of uber-p2pness!?! Again, as I've said with other projects out there... I hope there is some substance behind these promises but after RapidRoad... (got bored so I'll leave the post at that!!).

Peace!

[Jorge]

So... any news?? Has ZP received any hype yet... does it amount to much or should we just go.. "uhhuh.. believe it when we see it!!" (and not just screenshots!!!)

Yeah we've got an email from them. I will wait till a release to pass judgement.

[arlandi]

Can't seem to find anything related to "Earth Station 5" on google and yahoo, yet.

Maybe we should just wait and see.

But does any one knows the URL for this "Earth Station 5"?

[serrebi101]

I don't believe they got a site yet.

[Captain_FLX]

hmmmmmmm lets hope this isnt another RapidRoad Project.

[notbob]

huh huh he said p2penis

that was cool

[TC75580]

Originally posted by Jorge
So... any news?? Has ZP received any hype yet... does it amount to much or should we just go.. "uhhuh.. believe it when we see it!!" (and not just screenshots!!!)

Yeah we've got an email from them. I will wait till a release to pass judgement.
Well I'm glad you're with me on this one.

Arlandi, site is www.es5.com

[Zarkov]

Check out the thread "The Guardian Angel of File Sharing" for more details. This software has been in development for over one year and the "list" is no wish list, but what has been developed for the past year.Their site, www.es5.com or www.EarthStation5.com has a countdown page, with more details of the program's features to be listed during the week. Launch is scheduled for Feb 14, 2003 - Valentine's Day in the US. Jorge has a ton of details and he'll post them when he is ready--but this will be huge! ZP can scoop this one if they choose to do so. Perhaps it just sounds too good to be true and we all know the rest of the saying. After a year of development, they know what was needed and it is coming at just the right time considering the victory that the RIAA had ove Verizon. Even if Verizon can not get this over turned, it will have NO EFFECT on ES5 users.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Zarkov,

We will have to see if this is really true. I have read the story on the UTC homepage and you say that the program will have 1.5 Terabytes of files at the start? Wow, that's hard to come by... I guess we will just have to wait and see on Feb. 14th. I was tricked once and that was with RapidRoad... I will not fall for anything ever again, so until there is no program, I will not pass judgement.

[narz]

It sounds relly good. i juz hope to god that is it real.

[Zarkov]

Evil Dweller--There has been a lot of false promises from a lot of P2P developers--and then there was that ALTnet BS, too. We've seen them all ourselves and that is why it has taken over 12 months to build this program from the ground up. There was just nothing out there that had the features and the security that users need--and that was before the RIAA / Verizon lawsuit. ES5 has waited months and months to release this product and it looks like the timing may be perfect for this.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

I really hope you are saying the truth. If this thing is everything you say it is, I will be very impressed when it comes out. I'm sure users will run to it and it will easily be one of the greats.

But, as you already know, I will not pass judgement on this program until it actually is A program. For now, i shall wait those 5-6 days and see for my self if this is really going to be true. I hope it is, but I can't force myself to believe in something I haven't seen in action.

Well, good luck to the developers(if there are any) and I'm sure IF this comes out, it will be big. Thank you for the information.

[serrebi101]

Originally posted by Zarkov
Check out the thread "The Guardian Angel of File Sharing" for more details. This software has been in development for over one year and the "list" is no wish list, but what has been developed for the past year.Their site, www.es5.com or www.EarthStation5.com has a countdown page, with more details of the program's features to be listed during the week. Launch is scheduled for Feb 14, 2003 - Valentine's Day in the US. Jorge has a ton of details and he'll post them when he is ready--but this will be huge! ZP can scoop this one if they choose to do so. Perhaps it just sounds too good to be true and we all know the rest of the saying. After a year of development, they know what was needed and it is coming at just the right time considering the victory that the RIAA had ove Verizon. Even if Verizon can not get this over turned, it will have NO EFFECT on ES5 users.
Ok, I'm gonna rant here, but I think this has to be said.
Are you sure? I mean how do you know when you dont know where the project is run out of, nor do you know how this "1.5tb of data will be availliable.
Secondly, I am asuming this is decentualized? Well then I dont suspect that 1.5tb will be sitting on thin air, unless you do http searches across the net, wich then, would be useless.
thirdly: You say only "Red light [funny name, lol] files will be availiable to download. You mean thouse .exe that contain viruses that kazaa++/kazaa/kazaalite/every other file sharing program on the internet picks up, this one won't? Hmm... explain the method behind that.
I just have a few questions.
Since you have been beta testing this proggy for a year now, the protical, and other core components of the program have been worked on for 2, maybe even 3 years right? Well answer me this, since they spent so much time on the protical, is the program usable? Like what I mean is ---
1. Is this program usable, for both searching, download, and playing files, without stupid errors [take kazaa for example]
2. I don't mean this like to get it done or anything , but is it accessible to the blind? I'm still looking for that p2p, that's accessible, the napster scripts that napster brout out near the end of its time where the best scripts I've ever used, making napster completely accessible.
Just a little hint: Win mx was accessible. Now to shut up about the accessibility thing.
3. Can I find rare files, not just pop stuff that I can just get on kazaa?

Although this is more believable then rr [rapid road], I just don't wanna be screwed over once, again.

[Zarkov]

Evil_Dweller: Thanks for the well-wishes, it is apprecaited and everyone at ES5 will do their best not to let you (or the P2P Community) down. We know how important these features are and also know that the more notoriety ES5 receives, the more heat it will get (and we're not talking about heat from the users here). ES5 is preparred for the very long haul--and yes there are developers...lots of developers. This is a very big project.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

A question that came to mind while I was reading this thread...

ES5 is supposedly on its own network correct? Who are the people who will deliver the astonishing 1.5 terabytes of files to the network as soon as it launches? That's really hard to believe but I will stay tuned to this story and see what happens.

Again, best regards(although I dont know if Im saying it to the air or to programers...lol)

For now, it's just a wait and see situation.

[Zarkov]

Sorry for two posts in a row, but this is for Serrebi101...a great post that deserves a response.

1) I just recently began beta-testing for a couple of weeks not a year, the program has been in development for a year.

2) I am not one of the developers but know some of them which is why I got a sneak peak at the program prior to the release . I told them that I wanted to hype it before the release and was given the OK

3) 1.5 tb is just for starters, it will be up to how many users ES5 can attract for this to get really interesting

4) based upon what I have seen and what I have heard, ES5 should appeal to the hard-core P2P users immediately so I imagine that all the really good stuff should be available soon

5) with all the stuff that they have promised (and I have already seen), such as the free streaming sex channels and free dating this program is bound to attract a very big and highly interesting crowd beyond the core P2P heavy hitters--actually I think that ES5 is going to be a lot of fun for the core P2P users

6) they expect to get a lot of heat--and they tell me that they are preparred.

[Ken17625]

I told them that I wanted to hype it before the release and was given the OK

I don't know about anyone else but I don't buy into hype. Hype is, at best, annoying.

[Crazy Horse]

I leave for a few hours and the best thing since sliced bread MAY happen soon while I was gone?!?!?! Hmmm....

Zarkov - I notice your host is hidden in your IP address....Hmmm

The next couple of weeks should be hella interesting or one big headache. I don't know.... If it's too good to be true... It usually is.

You are going to have a hell of alot of happy people or a hell of alot of pissed off people.... I hope the former.

) they expect to get a lot of heat--and they tell me that they are preparred.

This part sounds very interesting indeed.

[JackSpratts]

the verizon case applied to an uploader. it had nothing to do with downloads. the court was told an individual was "ready' to share 600 files (he didn't actually have to share them - just be able to) and his ip was captured using netstat.

don't get me wrong - i’m looking forward to this debut - but unless es5 is ready to supply a high speed proxy for each individual uploader, or is ready to scatter file chunks onto each and every system hard drive on the network (meaning each individual user will store the equivalent of every single file or 1000s of gigs), a netstat query will still reveal your ip address. when that happens the riaa gets their subpoenas via mail, no due process required and you're vulnerable for a 100 thousand+ dollar fine. course if you don't share anything you don't need to worry about it. but if no one shares then the network is empty.

you can rename, encrypt, scramble and do whatever you want to hide from and confuse the copyright holder but at that last second, when a transfer takes place, they get you.

the only way out is through the law.

europe is considering making file sharing legal for individuals as long as money isn't exchanged. that would do it.

- js.

http://www.napsterites.net/underground/

[PornMaster]

such as the free streaming sex channels

I am there! You got my vote!

[Crazy Horse]

PornMaster - I was wondering when you would see that. lol

[Wolfie]

First, here really no point of an argument over the pros and cons of program which we haven't seen yet. Also I don't think any program would be 100% full proof in terms user info security vs. riaa snoops for too long. Its like arms race; You develope something the other guy developes a counter as response.

Legality of filesharing might be ultimate solution but I wouldn't be holding my breath. Labels are made of money and which is the achiles heel of politians (who make the laws). Greed is goes beyond borders and continents. The RIAA might be one the worst in terms of relentlessness in trying to put down filesharing than some its counter parts in other countries but, other less agressive labels won't be going for legalization that easy (I mean free p2p filesharing, not the paid versions).

[Zarkov]

In response to a couple of questions above:

1) Proxy servers have already been deployed in some of the most interesting locales artound the world.

2)Verizon--how did they know the user has 600 files available on their computer--ES5 has deployed many different techniques to keep anyone from targeting an individual user to uncover their identity or to determine what they are sharing; hiding IP addresses and proxy servers are just two of the tecniques deployed by ES5.

3)Legal-you should push your elected officials to pass laws that are represented of the will of the citizens, isn't that the way it is SUPPOSE to be? Untill then, there will be ES5!

4) PornMaster- You are going to luv ES5---no credit cards, no registration, no nonsense, just a whole lot of sex for consenting adults (and filters for families to use ); also ES5 solved the problem of getting caught at work !

[JackSpratts]

i'm interested, especially since even dedicated t-3 lines would quickly get buried acting as proxy agents for an entire network. traffic can't scale. download speeds would drop into the point oooooo1 speed.

again, you can hide all the downloads you want. they'll just get you on the uploads.

still i'm looking forward to trying it out and good luck to all involved! ;- )

- js.

http://www.napsterites.net/underground/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15128

[Zarkov]

JackSpratts & other ZP users: Thanks for the good wishes and keeping an open mind on ES5 until it comes out. The ES5 developers have worked hard to create a program that addresses the concerns of the file sharing community and have put together something that will be much more difficult to stop than Kazaa. Your continued input will be most welcomed--and we think that everyone is going to really enjoy what has been developed for ES5.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by Zarkov
JackSpratts & other ZP users: Thanks for the good wishes and keeping an open mind on ES5 until it comes out. The ES5 developers have worked hard to create a program that addresses the concerns of the file sharing community and have put together something that will be much more difficult to stop than Kazaa. Your continued input will be most welcomed--and we think that everyone is going to really enjoy what has been developed for ES5.

I'm sure IF it comes out, it will be a blast...
keyword: IF

I'm sorry but there were too many pranks pulled on us here and I just can't cope with the fact that something I have never seen in action is really there, and I'm sure many others feel this way too..
As I said, the Wait and See game is on
If it comes out, great
If it doesn't, I don't care

[Matt]

I sit here looking at this, and after much research have come to the same decision most everyone here has...

*Nothing really makes sense. I mean proxy support? Good idea, but not plausible.
*You can have as many "security" devices as you want, but they can still and will still find you. Your best defense is not downloading copyrighted files.
*This whole sex channel is probably their way to make money. For some reason they added this and it doesn't sound like it has anything to do with filesharing
*We have had too many jokes pulled on us. I will wait to see ES5 when it "debuts" and I'm not talking about debuting with phony screen shots or a stupid GUI. I want a working program.
*Maybe a security technician can take a look at it like they're doing with FileTopia.
*People leaked DietKaZa before it was released. If this was in development for over a year, why wasn't it leaked. Especially if it has over 29 languanges. That's alot of people that had to have seen this program.
*Hyping sucks (*cough*XoloX interview*cough) this will fail because it's being hyped too much.

I'm not too into this beacuse I think that this is another hoax...if it's not then consider it bigger than KaZaA. I would be willing to bet that this is the best thing out there. Good Luck to any developers that are working on it if it's true. If not then don't say I didn't warn you ;). -Matt

[wonderboy2005]

i'm with matt here... things just don't add up.
if the devs had any common sense at all, they would not consent to anyone hyping their prog when it isnt out. first of all, more than likely peeps will be disapointed weather or not it actually does come out. second of all, you ahve to think about the prominant p2p programs out there now. what did they do? they didn't hype.... then you have to look at the progs that were hyped. vaporware, useless, etc.

im sorry for being so synical, but given past expiriences, im sure you can understand.

also, i too am curious as to where the 1.5 TB is going to come from.

[The Hunter]

A friend asked me what I thought about this, and I told him it smells, if you have a good program you dont need the hype. dont tell me how good it is before it is released. We will tell you how good, or bad it is when, or if it is released. We all have been down the road of vaporware, and they were all hyped also.
Yes I am cynical, and with good reason, as we have been down this road before. If you can prove me wrong all the better.

[Matt]

Originally posted by The Hunter
A friend asked me what I thought about this, and I told him it smells, if you have a good program you dont need the hype. dont tell me how good it is before it is released. We will tell you how good, or bad it is when, or if it is released. We all have been down the road of vaporware, and they were all hyped also.
Yes I am cynical, and with good reason, as we have been down this road before. If you can prove me wrong all the better.

Amen to that! Let US tell YOU what's good or not. From the beginning I haven't really liked the idea of this. And everyone has asked about this 1.5 terabytes of data. That's alot of data. Where do you expect to get all that information from?

Honestly (until I see something) no no I mean until I actually USE something, I will not belive this, and I will not look at this anymore. Zeropaid will not post any news on this until it is released, and then at that time and only at that time will we post news on it. We gave dogward or whatever too much fun. This guy will have no such luck here. Go back to UTC and post there. But (I would like to say that out of anyone UTC had the best information on this program or program to be or idea yet to be created.) Nonetheless, Slyck nor Zeropaid has posted nor will post anything.

I think as a group we need to put an end to these hoaxes or at least do something to further stop them...this is a step in the right direction...But it's not the end.

Zarkov, I would like to see this software, apprently you're a beta-tester which would mean you have the software. I'm a reliable source and would be able to tell the community whether or not this is true or false. I can guarantee that news will be posted both here and on Slyck, if it turns out to be true. Please either PM me or talk to me here giving me further directions.

As for everyone else, I want to apologize for being too cynical, but I for one do not believe they have what they say they have. But then again, that's just me.
-Matt

[Crazy Horse]

I'm with my friend - Let's wait till the air clears

[jonny5]

Yes, I agree with Matt. If he were to have a hands on look at this, it would definitly put to rest a lot of skepticism that everyone has about this program. Until i have heard a review of some sort about it's features and problems from a reliable source, I will probably not touch it. I too hope this isn't just another hoax. I will wait and see. :fire

[Scyth3]

Sorry to say, but that is the exact description of a lot of other programs. The only thing different is the SSL, proxy, and sex chans. I'm just going to say that it'll be a rip off of another program, with some added "bonuses" if it exists at all.

I could do the exact same thing with my client, and say more about mine then he said about his own. So, which brings me to another point. The only people that WOULD be attracted are porn addicts, which will leave after your t-lines die from heavy abuse.

Not to mention, there's no way to "hide" your IP. There's always a way to get someones IP.

[Scyth3]

Oh yeah, one more thing. What's with the gay words like "star clusters" and "galaxies" instead of the words node and supernode, etc. It's making p2p sound like a bad STD.

[Matt]

I wrote this on UTC:
"Ya, I'm sure this is a fake. I mean if it's not, then that's great, and I for one will tout this network to everyone. BUT I will not pass judgement until I see a working version. Some things sound fishy here though. For instance the fact that it's in 26 languages. I doubt that people can keep their mouths shut for that long. Considering the magnitude and impact that such a program can create.
1.5terabytes is huge. It probably scans the net and counts that as its' size.
This will most likely be very very slow and a memory hog considering the amounts of safety that it has.
It also sounds very complicated. I doubt KaZaA users will flock to this.

But like I said, good luck if there really is a program, and I'll believe it when I see it. - Matt (from zeropaid)"

The response I got from Zarkov was:
"Matt: The only slowness will occur when the user elects to deploy the SSL Secure Sockets, which is optional for the user based upon their individual security concerns. Otherwise, Fireball is pretty much on target. Yes the program is very robust, but never sacrifices the usability aspects. Freenet is very anonymous, however very few use it because of its difficulty and P2P needs users to be successful. That will not be the case with EarthStation 5 -- it has been designed from the ground up to be safe, secure, easy and reliable. Once launched, the reliability of ES5 in returning verified files in the search results will become as popular as the security and anonymity features. You’ll see!

Will these features get Kazaa users to switch to ES5? Probably not—but it won’t be because ES5 is complex, the usability is not. Current Kazaa users apparently just don’t understand how much they are at risk with their privacy and how much junk that they end up with on their computers. ES5 will appeal to the hard-core P2P users who are much better informed about the reality and risks of file sharing in 2003 and should appeal to all those using the “underground” Kazaa clients. Perhaps the free streaming sex channels, free dating services and free long distance IP phone calling features will ultimately attract the “clueless” Kazaa users—no slight intended but anyone using the Sharman Kazaa client must be very ill-informed. Or maybe Kazaa users will see the light if the RIAA is victorious in its legal action against Verizon and follows through with lawsuits against the Kazaa users. Can this be another case of the RIAA forcing millions of users into a next generation P2P technology better than the last? History does have a way of repeating itself.

One more note to Matt: You know how to track down stories. If ES5 were really a hoax, would they have gone to as much trouble as they have in setting up their infrastructure? Do some research and you’ll see for yourself...or just wait for the program to be launched...that will turn the doubters to believers. --"

[Ken17625]

No need for discussion. We will see soon enough.

[Crazy Horse]

Perhaps the free streaming sex channels, free dating services and free long distance IP phone calling features will ultimately attract the “clueless” Kazaa users

Free dating services ?!?!?!
Free long distance IP phone calling !?!?!?!

Oh yea - These features are in great demand on all the p2p programs.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Crazy Horse
Free dating services ?!?!?!
Free long distance IP phone calling !?!?!?!

Oh yea - These features are in great demand on all the p2p programs.

Totally agree....this is why I think it is a fake. But, part of me does believe this is false. I think that this is their business model, or something similar.

BUT, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't IP phone calling show your IP address? Isn't that what this is trying to avoid? Isn't that a sure-fire way of getting caught with illegal files? Just a thought...

And dating services? Wow, you found my "Britney Spears Oops I did it again Live at the staples center..." we were made for each other! I don't see where this stuff fits with P2P, but hey...the more features the merrier I guess.

And I would like to point out that I'm happy Zarkov has taken the time to respond to me. So I appreciate that, and yes, you are taking ample amount of time out of your scheduale to update Zeropaid, Slyck, and UTC. So thanks for that.

One more thing, if you do have a beta release...and valentines day comes with no release. We're going to be extremely angry because we know that there were softare copies out there. So even if it's the worst thing we've ever seen, I hope it's released without a delay. -Matt

[serrebi101]

I P based calling? You mean like pc2pc?
Pc2phone is gonna cost you? and if not please explain how the calls will be sent out, legaly.
I know pc2phone costs companies mony, because if you look at your call display after someone calls you using a pc2 pphone service, it displays a number, I think net2phone uses a 419 areacode/number.

But again, my main question is the 1.5tb of data. Where will this come from? Will this connect to other networks, or what? That's my main question now, and I know others are wondering the same thing.
Also, will users behind a router have problems like like piolet?

Also another question, will the streaming chanels just be sex? Lol, I know that's all some ppl need, but I want more, like a shoutcast kinda thing, not expecting this, but yeah.

[Zarkov]

In the words of CrazyHorse...I leave the Forum for a few hours and....

Yes, the plan is to get ZP, SLyck and UTC a copy of the software prior to the Feb 14 release. ALso, the P2P Community has told ES5 what is good and what is not already. For the past year ES5 has been listening to the community and ES5 was developed based upon what everyone has been looking for in a P2P program. And once released, the P2P Community will continue to tell ES5 what is good and what is not and the developers will respond to the input from the community.

Also, someone questioned if sex and dating is really what the P2P Community wants in addition to safe and secure file sharing. Next to file-sharing, sex and dating are the next two popular activities on the Internet --so the assumption can be that YES, file sharers have an interest in this. ES5 has a lot of extras that users may decide to use or not, that is up to them.

For example, would a file sharer use video chat with strangers ? Maybe--but not while sharing files. The user can decide what, when and how to use the features of ES5.

Anyway, Matt is correct. We can talk about what ES5 WILL DO all day and night but it won't mean a thing until you can ACTUALLY USE ES5 TO DO all the things that we claim ES5 will do. The intent of these postings certainly was not to get the ZP users angry at ES5, but to get you excited about what is coming in a few days and to be sure that there was enough interest for someone to actually try ES5. We know that once it is released and a few people begin using it, it will grow in popularity virally as long as the program delivers as promised. We also know that it will die a quick death if the program is a dog.

It is good to see that the program will indeed be used by some key leaders in the P2P Community...that's all we can ask for. The program itself will have to stand on its own merits--no amount of postings will ever change that fact.

[wonderboy2005]

well... zarkov, you've got me quasi-convinced. however, i do have some questions. I think it would be in your best intrest to answer then instead of seemingly avoiding them, as you have done throught this thread

1) where is this 1.5 TB of data going to come from? while 1.5 is not a huge amount of data for a filesharing network, it seems slightly odd that a completely new system would start off with that much

2) why have you become the 'spokesperson' for a program that, as far as we know, does not exist? and why did the creators allow you to do this?

im sure that others have questions too, so i encourage you to make it blatently obvious to this person what you want answers for as i have done above.

[Broadband]

As much as i hate to say it Proxy or Tunneling is only going to give you so much protection and honestly the only way to be unwatchable is to have a middleman server that relays the information from host to host while keeping no longs. This by itself requires a huge connection one that can't be supported by a Free program.

I know everyone hates spyware, but think the many millions who have the origional Kazaa. You know that their operation has funding to continue development and afford court cases.

People like Mike from Shareaza or these people are doing it for no reason aside from the acclaim. What happens when they lose interest?

I agree this sounds like a very promising P2P app, but honestly unless it can prevent netstat lookups resulting in issues with the RIAA suing me, well then it's not going to get even us hardcore P2P users to change. I'd prefer my Kazaa and Edonkey with massive file and userbase.

Unless the app is truely evolutionary then your really just wasting our time and yours.

[Zarkov]

There are several threads on a couple of sites and people have been asking questions. I have tried to consolodate the questions and asked the ES5 developers for their response which I have posted here. Before relaying those answers, ES5 wanted to make the following announcements to the good people of ZP (and the bad ones, too):

1) ES5 is gratified to see the interest in the program and promises to release its “Preview” version on schedule for those users that wish to assist in the final debugging process -- the possibility of having several hundred users participate will help the program become even better before being released to the general population. You will get to see first-hand that ES5 really does exist on Feb 14!

2) As an additional security feature, which ES5 believes is unique to all P2P programs, is that ES5 integrates seamlessly with PGPDisk (which is a free program and will be provided by ES5 to its users) that lets you encrypt your disk drives to store your P2P content. No one except you will ever be able to see your files, not your kids, your spouse, your mother, your boss, the FBI, the KGB or anyone else! (...perhaps in the case of National Security, some governments may be able decrypt – but no file sharer – unless of course he is a member of the Taliban – will have to worry about that scenario)

Now to answer those questions (and “concerns”):

Q. Who will fund the worldwide proxies that enable 'IP anonymity’? Let alone the streaming porno, dating, etc. Or will other nodes be used as proxies therefore reducing overall transfer speeds?

A. Proxy servers have all ready been put in place worldwide by ES5 at its sole expense. ES5 states that they are a well-funded global organization consisting of more than just a few developers doing this for kicks. These guys are no novices at what they are doing—that’s for sure. Users will not have to pay for the streaming sex channels or the dating services or anything else. Is this going to upset some of the commercial providers of these services...you bet!

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Q. If IPs are truly anonymous, how will we know who to establish connections with to be able to initiate transfers? - Sure you can keep the IP hashed but you're still going to trigger the UDP table at some point.

A. ES5 establishes the proper connections for it users to ensure reliability. Now before everyone jumps all over this—yes ES5 knows the consequences of this and are prepared to deal with them. The ES5 software encrypts your connection to make it extremely difficult for your IP to be revealed – no other program comes close to providing the breadth and depth of privacy protection that ES5 does. Yes, an elite hacker can always figure this out, however your data is also encrypted, thereby compounding the problem even further for some super sleuth. To monitor this action on a mass scale, as is being done now with other P2P networks such as Kazaa or eDonkey, is cost prohibitive. Of course it can be done but it is highly impractical that it will be done at ES5 when the super sleuths can have much easier success identifying users of the other non-protected P2P networks.

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Q. - "ES5 does not display user IP Address information.” but who doesn't have a firewall or netstat or something to sniff packets and watch connections?

Q. - How is that possible that ES5 does not display user IP Address information? I'm sure it hides it the GUI, but it's pretty difficult to make it impossible for you to hide it complete. i.e. start up MS DOs and go to netstat.

Q. You can rename, encrypt, scramble and do whatever you want to hide from and confuse the copyright holder but at that last second, when a transfer takes place, they get you.

Q. Again, you can hide all the downloads you want. They’ll just get you on the uploads.

Q. Unless es5 is ready to supply a high speed proxy for each individual uploader, or is ready to scatter file chunks onto each and every system hard drive on the network (meaning each individual user will store the equivalent of every single file or 1000s of gigs), a netstat query will still reveal your ip address. When that happens the riaa gets their subpoenas via mail, no due process required and you're vulnerable for a 100-thousand+ dollar fine.

Q. The only way to get the total anonymity they describe is to have a relay of two or more proxies. Why? Even one proxy can be insecure, if it's an RIAA controlled computer... person A downloads from person B, through proxy C, if proxy C is RIAA, they can see both who the information is coming from, and who it's going to. If there are two or more proxies, they can't be certain if the person their getting the file from, or sending the file to, is the end of the chain. The Problem? Each additional proxy you add uses that much more bandwidth and overhead. 2 proxies would over double the bandwidth required on a network wide scale.

Q. If ES5 does not display user IP Address information on downloading or uploading, that probably means half their security is based around obscurity, rather than technical anonymity. Bad sign. If it's true, anybody with knowledge in assembly and time could figure it out, or if it were lacking any REAL anonymity, a plain-old packet sniffer would do.

Q. What prevents your identity being traced by the ISP of your remote host and proxy?

A. True, Netstat will always see IP information—however since ES5 users will be routed through the ES5 private high-speed proxy servers located in “safe-havens” across the globe, the only information that netstat will reveal is that of the proxy servers and not the users own IP. For further protection, if the user deploys the optional SSL protection, no one will be able to identify the contents of your files and even if a packet sniffer can tell where its going, it won’t know what is being transmitted and where it goes after it hits the proxy servers. The plaintiffs will have no way to tell who they are getting the file from and because it is encrypted they have no way of telling which file is coming from which user. No proof of what you are sharing means that there is no evidence that can be used against you to obtain a subpoena in the first place or for use in a court of law to find you guilty...no guilty verdict means no fine. The proxy servers already deployed means that it will not be necessary for chunks of encrypted data to be stored on the users hard drive (Say “NO” to ALTnet!) for ES5 to work. Bandwidth, overhead and load balancing for the global network of proxy servers has already been taken into consideration and is being provided for ES5 for the sole benefit of their users and will be sufficient not to slow the network. The proxy servers are secured and shielded from the users ISP.

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Q. How can those claims be made without having a debilitating effect on those 'proxies' and general transfer speeds?

Q. Even dedicated t-3 lines would quickly get buried acting as proxy agents for an entire network. Traffic can't scale. Download speeds would drop into the point oooooo1 speed.

A. Of course, using SSL and/or proxies will slow down your transfers. It is at the user’s option to determine speed over security and then how much security you want. Not all users will be deploying the optional proxy servers, but for those that do, the proxies have been set up to handle the amount of anticipated traffic to avoid bottlenecks.
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Q. This will most likely be very very slow and a memory hog considering the amounts of safety that it has.

A. As previously stated, unlike TCP, UDP has no error checkin capabilities, which means less processor (and memory) time to check the packets integrity. This will not affect the reliability of the files being downloaded because each file that appears in Search will be verified and verified files will display the “soon-to-be-infamous” ES5 Green Light.

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Q. They seem to be ignorant of protocol-stack blocking, where I work (at a college). It wouldn't work. Plain and simple. ISPs could block it by getting the handshake of the protocol and blocking all connections that use that, unless the protocol itself becomes dynamic

Q. Yet another problem. Any ISP or University using a packet shaper will, more than likely, be able to block it. The only way is to completely encrypt the packet, which would inflate the packet size AND require a good amount of processor.

Q. UDP traffic can be easily blocked by ISPs using a proxy, firewall or traffic shaper of any kind.

Q. Dynamic Ports and Port Settings 53 and 37 won’t help if the ISP deploy smart firewalls, scanning the traffic before deciding whether to throttle/block a port or not. The sad part for me is, - my university did find out.

A. Each ES5 node uses a randomly chosen port each time ES5 is used, therefore making it difficult for ISP’s to identify file-sharing traffic based upon port numbers and the ISP will be unable to throttle back the users bandwidth. Additionally, users can set their ES5 to use Port # 80 – the port used by browsers which traditionally carries a lot of traffic and would be indiscernible between regular http traffic and P2P traffic for the most part, port # 25 – the port used for email, port # 53 – the port used for DNS, port # 37 – the port used for time. So an ISP will be unable to block ES5 without blocking the entire Internet—something that an ISP will not do if they expect to have any customers. ES5 deploys push so that there will always be a way to move data using ES5. An ISP cannot block two-way traffic at the same time -- they can block traffic going in or they can try to block traffic going out from users—but if they block traffic going in and out, that would be basically the same as being not connected. As long as you are connected, you can use ES5.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Q. Nowadays many firewalls can also block UDP traffic. (Some firewalls are smart enough, to recognize and allow answers to UDP requests you sent and thus you might be able to use ES5 without configuring your FW.)

A. True, however most don’t block UDP traffic, but you are correct that there are always exceptions to the rule. Additionally, there are multiple points of entry for ES5 including IP Multicast, Usenet Articles, Web Sites, Node List Files, Dynamic Ports and several other undisclosed methods. Nothing is absolutely 100% foolproof and ES5 never meant to claim otherwise—but you will not find any other P2P software today that provides the level of privacy, security and anonymity that ES5 provides for mass use.
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Q. There's no way to get query-hits without having an IP broadcast somewhere. If you were to devise a system to mask queries, it'd be massively unreliable, and it would flood the network with even more queries, using even more bandwidth.

A. There is a way and it is proprietary to ES5. As you might imagine, that information shall remain confidential – and besides the ES5 query system will be constantly changing to protect its integrity.
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Q. You say only "Green Light” files will be available to download. You mean those .exe that contain viruses that kazaa++/kazaa/kazaalite/every other file sharing program on the Internet picks up, this one won't? Hmm.. explain the method behind that.

A. ES5 needs to clarify this statement. All files shared by users will be available for download, but the ones that are verified by ES5 or trusted users to be authentic and virus-free will be indicated by the “Green Light.” All green-lighted files are safe, secure and authenticated. Files without the green light are to be downloaded at the risk of the user.

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Q. Doesn't IP phone calling show your IP address? Isn't that what this is trying to avoid? Isn't that a sure-fire way of getting caught with illegal files?

Q. Do you mean pc2pc phoning? Pc2phone is gonna cost you? And if not please explain how the calls will be sent out, legally. I know pc2phone costs companies money, because if you look at your call display after someone calls you using a pc2 phone service, it displays a number.

A. Free IP phone service, just like other free ES5 services including dating, is an add-on service integrated within your ES5 software. You probably will know who you are talking to via IP phone and since ES5 dating service deploys text/audio/video, you will probably also know, somewhat, who you are talking to on the other end. However, you can be using these services while still performing anonymous file sharing activities simultaneously. If you are deploying the ES5 security and privacy features, it would even be possible for you to be sharing files with the other person you are talking to without either of you knowing that the sharing is taking place. The ES5 IP phone service is PC2PC phoning or PC2IP phone and not PC2Phone.

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There are still a few questions that I am still waiting on answers and will post when available—hope the above has been useful for you –but nothing will replace actually using ES5 yourself.

[Matt]

Thanks Zarkov! I do agree that you have taken a large amount of your time to clear these up. And yes, they were cleared up somewhat....But I am still skeptical. I have yet to recieve any software from you or your developers and neither have my colleuges here on Zeropaid and at Slyck. Until I have proof of the existance of ES5 I will remain skeptical and will not believe you, despite your efforts. But again I will reiterate my thanks and I appreciate you taking the time answer the questions. If this is real software I'm glad there is someone like you that's dependable. If it's not real then I appreciate you wasting my time.

Only time will tell....

BTW, remember when The Bridge was supposed to revolutionize filesharing...as is some of these new ones? We are not new to people telling us that this willr evolutionize the way we share. But at least you're providing answers instead of just telling us it will revolutionize. -Matt

[dr. damn]

Zarkov, do you really think that anyone here believes that you are anyone other than a developer of this program?

[PornMaster]

Ok, They updated their site, www.es5.com there is lots of info about the program now, but check it out for yourself!

[Crazy Horse]

Wow!!! Between Zarkovs post and the site update there's everything... except a program....Hmmm

[Jorge]

I have been told that a beta program will be sent to me in the next couple of days. I hope this is more then hype.

[Wolfie]

That's first time I saw the manul before the product. Anway, I read it and bookmarked and now waiting to the see actual program.Let us know what you think, if you see beta, Jorge.

[serrebi101]

yeah, the site was updated. Contains alot of info, about the program. I'm still wondering where this 1.5tb of data is comming from ???

[Monyak]

Is earthstation a planet or does it really belong to this world? If the system is real, then it will definitely redefines the industry, and is a major "fuck you" to the RIAA. However, I have my doubts. I read their home page and while it seems they know what they are talking about, I am becoming nervous.

If it is true, who developed and financed it for over a year? Who tested it? I would bet it is a bunch of disgrunted "KaZaA" fastrack employees on the "Island" or some assholes who planted a seed and finally grew a brain at the RIAA, and decided to join the community?! Could this be for real?

How do they expect to begin with 1.5 tera? Where are the files from? What kind of bandwith are they using? Where are their servers located? If it is true and their system and servers are for real (and not located in the Langley farm backyard?!?), then this will is definately something that I am interested in on testing.

[[NK]Mutant]

I went to their website, but where does it list all the info?

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by [NK]Mutant
I went to their website, but where does it list all the info?

Your right, it looks like they went back to fancy but unimformative website they had before.

Hey, anyone save the instruction page from yesterday on the ES5 website to word file or something?

[PornMaster]

2 Days, 3 Hours, 46 Minutes, 55 Seconds.....

[[NK]Mutant]

A saved file of the web page would be nice...

[endersgame21]

mine says 2 days 6 hours

[TC75580]

Originally posted by [NK]Mutant
A saved file of the web page would be nice...
I second that... can one of you dig it up from the temp files?

[endersgame21]

So far I have found that they have these many domains. I wonder why they have so many:

earthstationfive.com
earthstationfive.net
earthstationfive.org
earthstationfive.cc
earthstation5.com
earthstation5.net
earthstation5.org
earthstation5.cc

[TC75580]

Originally posted by endersgame21
So far I have found that they have these many domains. I wonder why they have so many:

Simple: so people can't get it wrong.

But that does mean that the developers are surely putting a lot into it, if they've registered THAT many domains.

[endersgame21]

And these:

es5.com
es5.net
es5.org
es5.info
es5.biz

[[NK]Mutant]

Dude, you have no idea how many domains they have...

[endersgame21]

Ha, I only have 1 day to wait now.

I also found these:
es5.com
es5.net
es5.org
es5.info
es5.biz

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Huh? Howcome you only have one day!?

[[NK]Mutant]

1 day? That's no fair...
Myabe you could send it to us when it comes out. :)

[endersgame21]

For those of you who don't know, the countdown on the website is based on the clock on your computer. That is all I changed to change the amount of time until it is released. It doesn't matter though. It will be released to everybody at the same time.

[Matt]

This is no hoax. I'm pretty sure that this is real now. Or at least more realistic than the past 4 days has been. I mean they've contacted us, supposedly were going to release the software to us, but have yet to. Now why do I think this is fake? For one, why have they changed their site? There is no point to change it back. AND, i haven't seen any software. I hope this own't be like the Bridge or other software taht has made promises but when seen it was a joke... I have a feeling though now tat this is real. Very real, and very good for p2p. This could be the FUTURE. But only time will tell....

[Zarkov]

A few more answers have come in from the ES5 Developers, and contrary to some opinions, I am not one of the developers-if I were I would have no time to be making these postings. Maybe I can write some decent posts, but I am clueless when it comes to code and if I were a developer I would be able to be much more spontaneous with my answers to your questions. Also, some of you have inquired about the some of the details that were briefly put up on the site yesterday accedentilly. They will be putting a link up to by Friday so you will have access to it. Also, ES5 will initially work for Windows OS. Once all the bugs are ironed out, they will work on getting a Linux version out, but that won't be right away.

Before we get back to the questions, it is obvious that (even more so than the FREE SEX Channels) everyone is most concerned about protecting their privacy and finding ways to ensure that they are not one of the P2P users that the content industry will take to court to make an example (a martyr) out of. One of the developers came up with the following observation:

The SSL is probably more for users in totalitarian countries where network traffic might be used as evidence. In the United States the plaintiff ALWAYS raided the defendants house (see various Church of Scientology cases: vs Dennis Erlich, vs Arnold Lerma,
Vs Grady Ward ). In every case, the evidence presented was what was on the user's hard drive, NOT the network traffic. Dennis Erlich and Arnold Lerma lost their cases, but, Grady Ward had his data encrypted and settled his case in essentially a stalemate with Scientology because there was no evidence against him (He had to settle because he
could not continue the legal fees).

Also, as is not well known, Lewis Depayne (the brains behind Kevin Mitnick) encrypted data on his hard drive which the FBI was unable to decrypt after confiscating. When asked to reveal his password, he took the 5th.

If you are paranoid about being sued, the solution is to use an encrypted virtual drive to store things you consider sensitive. ES5 integrates with a free product called PGPdisk (instructions in the help file). If your media directory is stored on an encrypted virtual
disk, ES5 will load PGPDisk as a child and prompt you to open the virtual drive. I highly recommend this product for your peace of mind. I would recommend this in general to keep your spouse, kids or other nosy people out of your files, plus, with P2P networks, you never quite know what you are downloading sometimes and its best to keep the stuff only available to yourself.


Back to the questions:

Q. Is the SSL applied to UDP too? If it is, would SASL not be more
beneficial?

A. No. Only file downloads can be SSL encrypted.
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Q. Won't deploying SSL encryption bring everything to a slow crawl?

A. An SSL download is not any slower than a normal download. An ES5 node is not an Apache server running 2048 connections. There is plenty of extra CPU power to make SSL processing insignificant in relation to network bandwidth. In order to prevent the node owner from experiencing processor degradation on his foreground computer work, ES5 runs at very low priority, only using processor time when normal user programs are blocked. When a Windows machine is not busy processing Graphical User Interface Data there is plenty of CPU available for just about anything.
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Q. ES5 uses UDP to request a PUSH" - Assembly one UDP in to request,
one UDP out for reply? - So wouldn't it be possible to detect users using ES5? - If I shared files in an effort to harvest IP addresses.. I could pretend I was firewalled/routered, get the push request and trap the connection out. Unless somehow I'm told to redirect the request via a proxy and send the proxy a hash of the real destination IP which then acts as a bridging node.

A. No, a UDP push request will generate an HTTP PUT back to the requestor. Anyone at a router can see everything. The problem is, firewalling/analyzing on packet content is insanely more expensive than firewalling/analysing on port numbers. Since every ES5 user uses different ports, it is not practical to monitor bandwidth to restrict ES5 traffic. ES5 uses separate ports for the various services it offers, upload, download, web server, secure versions of the aformentioned, and the UDP service that controls everything. All these ports are different for each user (unless the random generation of port numbers
happens to arrive at identical port numbers). You could also set your ES5 to use port 53 (DNS) on a windows machine so that ES5 traffic looks just like DNS traffic and MUST be let through almost every firewall unless your ISP forces you to use their DNS servers.

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Q. UDP - Using UDP makes it impossible to reliably scan a user's computer to determine if ES5 is running but what if someone ever managed to spoof an ES5 packet? .-

A. If it is encrypted it could not be done. Sure you can spoof a packet, but, to scan even a single machine you would have to scan (send your spoofed packet), on an average 65535/2 ports to even be talking to the ES5 server. That means, in the time it takes to check for one possible ES5 machine, you could scan 32676 possible Kazaa machines that use a fixed port (or mostly). ES5 will also keep changing the packet structure so people analyzing for content, and trying to piggyback to the ES5 network will be balked.

Using random ports for servers is a trivial exercise, if you stop thinking in terms of 4 byte ip addresses and start considering an ip address plus a port as the atom of internet connectivity. Most beginner TCP programmers, like most of the P2P programs out there haven't made that simple connection yet. When they start understanding this, their code is too cemented to change over to the random port model.


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Q: Is this program usable, for both searching, download, and
playing files, without stupid errors [take kazaa for example]

A: All playing is done by whatever program YOU have configured. We do not have an internal media player. The Internal media player is just there to make you keep Kazaa open (in the Kazaa example) and can never be as good as an independent player which you have chosen (Window Media Player, Winamp, Real etc.)

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Q. I don't mean this like to get it done or anything , but is it accessible to the blind? I'm still looking for that p2p, that's accessible, the napster scripts that napster brout out near the end of its time where the best scripts I've ever used, making napster completely accessible. Just a little hint: Win mx was accessible. Now to shut up about the accessibility thing.

A: Yes. Get a seeing-eye midget and you'll be able to use it.
(Zarkov Note: Developers humor...not mine)

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Q: Can I find rare files, not just pop stuff that I can just get on kazaa?

A: This depends on user participation. All files on ES5 are provided by the users, themselves. There is no central "Smithsonian Institute" of rare files that you can access, although there will be 1.5 terabytes of data that have been "donated" by volenteers, who more than likely are not Britney Spears fans (well maybe pics but not music).
(Zarkov Note: My humor...not the developers)
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Q: "you can rename, encrypt, scramble and do whatever you want to hide from and confuse the copyright holder but at that last second, when a transfer takes place, they get you."

A: Not true. In all cases we have seen, the user's computer was confiscated and the evidence was presented from the hard drive. To violate copyright you have to have a tangible copy. Network traffic is not a copyright violation because it is not tangible, but having it on your hard drive is. Use an encrypted disk. Even at that, how do you know something is copyrighted? In the Scientology cases quoted above, the violator was issued a cease and desist letter first and so had no excuse. The hurdles that a copyright owner has to go through to bring a case are monumental. Sure, they can make a DCMA complaint against you and you might lose your internet connection, but that's a lot better than being sued for damages! And if a copyright owner does inform you about something you have being a violation it would be good manners to stop sharing it anyway?
(Zarkov Note: we are not lawyers, so seek professional council to detail your rights in your country of origin).

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Q: Nothing really makes sense. I mean proxy support? Good idea, but not plausible.

A: You can configure ES5 to use proxies for non-SSL downloads only. This doesn't hide you when SHARING files, but does hide you when downloading files.
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Q: You can have as many "security" devices as you want, but they can still and will still find you. Your best defense is not downloading copyrighted files.

A: Two problems with that statement.

1) How do you know what is and isn't copywritten? Everything on the net is copyrighted, yet, you download gigabytes of it every day. Go to http://excite.com, it says "Copyright 2001-2003 The Excite Network, Inc. All rights reserved", yet, you are downloading their home page into your web browser cache when you go there. So, that philosophy cannot be followed if you want to use the Internet.

2) Using an encrypted virtual disk is proven defense against having evidence available to plaintiffs on your computer. (see comments at the top of this post)

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The developers also wanted me to point out the following features offered by ES5-which they thought were important to include but that I omitted previously:

1) Due to the way ES5 searches, you can search for nonspecific files. You do not have to put in a search string at all, you can just browse for random files.

2) You do not have to "log in" to ES5. Like Gnutella, when you load the program you search for other nodes and connect to the network like that. For purposes of meeting other users you can fill out a dating survey. You become a "dating resource" in many ways analogous to a file. People can search for other people based on their likes and dislikes and then email them (if they provide a hotmail type address) or netmeeting chat with them (video, audio, voice over ip etc).

Closing Note from Zarkov: At the top of the post, I attempted to dispel the rumors that I was one of the ES5 developers. Quite honestly, I think that I am coming down with a case of information overload with all these Q&A's, however I am certain that many of you will understand some of these answers better than myself...because you are developers. I hope this has helped...and if I have managed to further confuse some of you...my apologies, but you are not alone.

[Scyth3]

Well...It's somewhat making sense. I'm still not into the SSL + encryption + proxy idea, cuz it reminds me of freenet. That's what I think it'll become. Slow, and unusable. True, it's udp, but that's a lot of cpu resources right there.

[serrebi101]

Lol! good humor [developers!]
Ok, if this is real, im testing it, friday, and if it works, sending this out to the n4tb [napster for the blind] mailing list!
Now I have something to look forward to on friday that isn't the weekend or getting out of school! lol

[Psilaxs]

WOW I really dont know what to think of all this, I do not doubt *something* is going to be released on friday, but the quality of
the network is what has me concerned, like the other good fellow said, Becoming a freenet. (I have tried freenet 3 times, wil never use it again)

They must have 1 helluva protocal, and they must have some ENORMOUS pipelines for their proxy routing, I used to work for a phone company/isp, and i can tell you, that if you are not using an OC line as a backbone for what you want to do , forget it.

There is no way in hell a run of the mill "T" line will be able to handle the proxy routing for tens of thousands of users, it just isnt going to happen. Much less hundreds of thousands (if it becomes that big)

The money involved in a "low level" OC 3 line is over 10 thousand a month. They must be EXTREMELY FUNDED
or they are developers with ALOT of money to play with.

Or, i could be 100% wrong, and their routing technique is more efficient then anything i have ever read about, in reality or theory.

Please, do correct me if i am wrong about anything.

BEST Regards, and goodluck,
Psilaxs

*EDIT* forgot to say, on top of the monthly charges for an OC line, the hardware costs on routers that work with OC lines are astronomical as well

[Digdis]

As someone living in Israel, I couldn't help not noticing your developers team panel. If your app proves to be as good as promised, it will also be good news not only for the p2p community, but also for the (hoping to be) sane people in our region. :wings
[That's why I don't believe it's a hoax - don't think anyone in RIAA could have gone this far to make this up]
D.

[raptorb21]

es5 is crap
i went to the site and its showing 30 days and some hours to launch its a hoax
visit the site to see whats the truth
http://es5.com/

:shy

[Psilaxs]

Your computer clock is set wrong ;-)

[r_xq]

Originally posted by raptorb21
es5 is crap
i went to the site and its showing 30 days and some hours to launch its a hoax
visit the site to see whats the truth
http://es5.com/

:shy

No shit, Sherlock

[Jared592]

This should be interesting. The scaleability of the network protocol is what I'm interested in. I know the question festering in everyone's minds is: "Will I be able to max out my 56k like on KaZaa?" :-P

[method]

Ask anyone who knows a lot about SSL... and they'll tell u...

The answer i got to my question was complete BS...

ES5 might go ahead.. but the answer to my question about SSL slowing things down was totally valid. Unless u have a kick ass processor (like mine 2.6Ghz) then yup.. you WILL have slow-down unless the encryption is piss-weak. Believe what you want to believe. I still hope ES5 is real and comes into being tho.. I'm not giving the project beef... but I do know that.. among the answers given.. that's one of those that isn't 100% right!!

Peace!!

[steve15]

II wasn't going to post again, however, after reading the comments by Matt relating to me I thought it was time for me to say my peace again.

First of all, I am not now, nor have I ever been an employee of Earthstationv, nor am I an employee of any other P2P software. I have not received any monies, nor been promised any monies from anyone connected with P2P. But if you want to send me money, write to me and I will give you my address. Make it a large SUM.

I thought the purpose of this board was to inform others about P2P and other types of software for the benefit of each of us. So each of us would benefit from each other and we would all grow in knowledge. I read the forums each day to learn from others and hope others will learn from me by way of our experiences.

I reported what I knew and saw and experience with Earthstationv and consequency, was accused of being an employee of Earthstationv.

I really don’t care who is the leader of the P2P world all I care about is when using a P2P program is:

1) Does it work;
2) Will it hide who I am, or make it hard on the bad people to find me;
3) Can I get the results that I want;
4) Is it easy to use;
5) Does it have the software and etc, that I want;
6) Is it missing all the bullshit popup ad’s and spyware; and
7) AND MOST important is it FREE.

If earthstationv takes off like I think it will, they will rule the internet P2P world, if they don’t someone else will. If we get what we want, that is important. It doesn’t make a difference if the name is Kazaa, Earthstationv, or for that matter any other name. We all know what we want and Its my hope that we all get it.

When I talked to the guy at Earthstationv he told me something that was very interesting,

“Our program is FREE to the world without any costs to its users including all of its services. There are no popup ad’s and spyware. It is our belief at Earthstationv that the world will accept our software as a portal which will include a P2P network and central servers for dating, online sex, gambling, video and voice chatting and our own free ebay system for our users.

Steve. I really don’t give a fuck what the Record, Software, Movie, or the Sex Industries have to say and furthermore, I don’t give a fuck about what they try to do or for that matter what others have to say about us. The individual users will make up their own minds when we release our software to the public.
…………….
I really don;t think they care about what anyone has to say, write or do relaing to them. I think they believe their software will speak for itself in the end.

Another person reported HERE that the people at Earthstationv got every domain name and all the combinations connected with their domain name. I check and it is true. That had to cost some money.

That person also reported that they have a ton of IP addresses. I checked with www.ripe.net and verified that earthstationv does in fact have a ton of addresses. I may not have the experience that Matt has, but it is my believe that you have to prove that you need all those addresses before they give them to you. I am sure that costs lots of money and lots of prove. (Maybe it's a scam)

Maybe Matt is correct, maybe they are flakes, you can all decide for yourselves when you get their software. I am not here to convince anyone of anything.

For me, I am happy camper!
:fire :shy :shy :shy :shy

[steve15]

I found these domains and some of them by using their program:

earthstationv.com
earthstationv.net
es5.com
es5.net
es5.biz
es5.info
es5.org
esfive.com
esfive.net
esfive.biz
esfive.info
esfive.org
earthstation5.net
earthstation5.cc
earthstation5.co.uk
earthstation5.org
earthstation5.ws
earthstationfive.cc
earthstationfive.co.uk
earthstationfive.tv
earthstationfive.ws
earthstationfive.com
earthstationfive.net
earthstationfive.org
earthstationv.biz
earthstationv.info
earthstationv.org
earthstationv.cc
earthstationv.tvboreon8.com
sextopia4.com
sextopia4.net
titaron2.com
zeon3.com"

[Galileo]

titaron2.com...
hmm...

I'm-a go register tittaron, boobaron, breastaron, nippleron, and mammaron.com right now.

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by Galileo
titaron2.com...
hmm...

I'm-a go register tittaron, boobaron, breastaron, nippleron, and mammaron.com right now.
too late...already got 'em ;-)

[Galileo]

damn!

How about peckeron, dickaron, and earthstationorbitsmynutsac.com?

Taken yet?

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by Galileo
damn!

How about peckeron, dickaron, and earthstationorbitsmynutsac.com?

Taken yet?
those belong to george w. bush.

[[NK]Mutant]

Originally posted by cpugeniusmv
those belong to george w. bush.
ROFL ROFL ROFL
now THATS funny!

[Wolfie]

Don't forget Dickeron which is Chenney's....

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by method
Ask anyone who knows a lot about SSL... and they'll tell u...

The answer i got to my question was complete BS...

ES5 might go ahead.. but the answer to my question about SSL slowing things down was totally valid. Unless u have a kick ass processor (like mine 2.6Ghz) then yup.. you WILL have slow-down unless the encryption is piss-weak. Believe what you want to believe. I still hope ES5 is real and comes into being tho.. I'm not giving the project beef... but I do know that.. among the answers given.. that's one of those that isn't 100% right!!

Peace!!

At least they answered your questions, they havent even bothered to throw me a "happy pat"answer for mine

[Monyak]

Psilaxs & method

Outside of this thread, I made a thread of my own regarding your question of SSL that may be of interest.

I now understand why all the proxies, IP addresses and servers in Palestine.

Understand that its all to serve one purpose. ES5 is a direct download. Their 'encrypted' software is designed to hide the identity of the downloader - how? Because the downloader is directly downloading from ES5!

Its not P2P, its that "STEALTH" shit that Zarkov was talking about. What better than to have servers in the fucking warzone directly downloading to you! 1.5 tera to start off with. He said it from the beginning but none of us picked up on it.

Read my thread outside of this one and then mark the poll.

The encryption is probably only for other utilities or for when a rare file cant be found, but the majority is direct download.

[Psilaxs]

STILL have not read answered my question from page 5

There is no way in hell ANYONE can afford (unless they are multi multi millionaires, OR funded by very wealthy companies) the pipelines and hardware you guys will need if you have all of these proxy routers, and mega fat pipes.

Do you know the kind of hardware and internet connections that are needed for this?

An OC3 line which is *only* 155 Mbits (which isnt NEARLY enough for what they want to do, are over 70,000 a MONTH

An OC12 line, which is more practical, but still not nearly enough will run over 200,000 a month, and that is without equipment, just the line. You have any clue how much routers for OC lines cost??

Ok, look at it this way, if they are routing traffic for over 414 users, each with a typical broadband connection of 1.5 mbits.
right there, you have crippled an OC12 line which is 622 Mbits.

So, if you want to provide routing and proxies for at least 10,000 users you will need 24 OC12 lines, which works out to 4,867,200 a MONTH, and that is just for 10,000 users, a number which even the most obscure p2p have obtained easily.

Wish i had the money you guys are supposedly throwing around:bk :bk :bk

*EDIT* i would like to make clear, i understand other networks do not have these cost with many times more users, the reason i bring this up, is because, ES5 "has the option" of routing all data THROUGH their own servers for security, and ontop of that, the streaming sex and movies etc.

Guys, just come clean, HOW are you able to do all this?
120+ MEGA wealthy people just thought, hey, were 1337 coders, AND we have money coming out of our ass, lets make a p2p network so extreme we will shakeup the world? LOL i mean COME ON!?

P.S if you are willing to stream movies, How about pirating nascar broadcast or other sports event you normally need to pay for/have cable lol ;)

[Monyak]

Psilaxs - I love reading your posts. You are one of the few who understands the hardware and local loops that are involved.

After some vast research and reading between the lines, I figured out their system.

Read my latest post on the outside thread "ES5-Direct Download not P2P" and you will finally have the answers as to where the money is going to come from.

Also, I would ask that everybody go to the thread "ES5-Direct Download nad not P2P" and answer the Question Poll. I am curious to know what effect this will have on YOU!

PeAcE

[Monyak]

When is ES5 going to be released?

[Versacity]

Steve15: Why do you take everything so personal? Everybody respects Matt here on the forum but you shouldnt take it personal. He is the MOD whos job is to point out who is causing HYPE and who has nothing more than a general interest or simple input.

I will say that it is interesting that you have very few posts even though you are registered user of ZP for a long time.

More interesting is that you got a copy of the program when everybody else here has to wait!

The difference between you, Zarkov and Monyak is that Zarkov says that he has a financial interest in ES5 once it begins so he has every reason to hype the program. He admitted on his first post that he was a beta tester before anybody got a copy. His information has been very helpful.

Monyak is a guy who has freaked everybody out by his knowledge and detective work yet he is bias about ES5. He is the most talked about because he came from nowhere and his motives obviously are not to hype ES5 but to research it. He sites his resources so that everybody knows where to look to verify the information he finds.

Dont take it personal but it is a valid question of Matt and other people here on the forum.

Are you here to hype the program or give us objective thoughts?

Its okay to hype a program as long as you tell the truth about it. I for 1 dont like hidden agendas.