PS2: 50 million strong

[Spencer45317]

Playstation 2: 50 million units sold

PlayStation 2 continues to increase the distance to GameCube and Xbox.

During the Christmas rush more than 6.5 million PlayStation 2 were sold around the world compared to the 2 million units sold in November. We have analyzed and compiled the sales figures that have been reported in the last couple of years. On December 31st, 2002 Sony had delivered more than 50 million PS2 to the following parts of the world:

Europe: 16 million units
North America: 21 million units
Japan: 12 million units
Other regions: 1 million units

Sony introduced their console PlayStation 2 in Japan on March 3rd, 2000 and since then the sales have steadily climbed.

Sales of PS2 since the introduction:

2000-03-04, sales begin in Japan
2001-03-25, 10 million units
2001-09-30, 20 million units
2002-05-21, 30 million units
2002-09-17, 40 million units
2002-12-31, 50 million units
2003-03-31, 60 million units (estimation)

PS2 was introduced in USA on October 26th, 2000 and in Europe November 24th, 2000. Since then Sony has gradually launched PS2 around the world. The total production is at about 3 million units per month.

The competitors Nintendo GameCube (8 million units sold) and Microsoft Xbox (7 million units sold) are still far behind. In the year 2002 almost 30 million PS2 were sold compared to 6 million GameCube and 5 million Xbox.

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

shut up, one reason it has sold more is because ps2 came out a long time before xbox. and i have said this before and i will say it again....ps2 has never made it to the guinness books for being the most powerful gaming system. gta made ps2, if it werent for that ps2 would be nothing. xbox has a big line of gonna be huge selling games coming out this year.

[wingnut2600]

Originally posted by SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND
shut up, one reason it has sold more is because ps2 came out a long time before xbox. and i have said this before and i will say it again....ps2 has never made it to the guinness books for being the most powerful gaming system. gta made ps2, if it werent for that ps2 would be nothing. xbox has a big line of gonna be huge selling games coming out this year.

I must say that this is a silly assumption on your behalf. Power is not what the videogame purchasing public wants, it is many games that are fun to play. The X-Box does have the most powerful hardware, but people are not buying them since they have far less games than the PS2 and the ones that are out aren't that great.

The PS2 will always have the advantage over the X-Box (not because of the early roll-out, just look at the Saturn and the Dreamcast) because:
1)It is backwards compatible with the PSX, giving all those with PSXs the ability to use their old games (in higher resolution with lower loading time as well)
2) It has a large library of games.
3) There are many good games available.
4) Many of the games are very inexpensive ($20-$40).
5) Since the installed user base is high, they can trade with friends etc.

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

the games are 20 - 40 because the graphics are crap! and theyre very easy to make!

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

halo 2 and true crime will be major sellers this year, and theyre are more too, xbox has better games than ps2, except for blinx

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

and if xbox had a brother, it would be backwards compatible with it so wha wha wha

[wingnut2600]

I have a Cube and a PS2 and I would buy an X-Box, but the games look pretty and that is it. What is the point of a game that looks good yet is no fun?

I choose quality and fun over appearance any day. As they say, "you can't judge a book by its cover."

Plus, the X-Box has no support in Japan, so it is not receiving as many good games. Microsoft is still losing money on each X-Box sold and they are not recuperating from game sales as is the still vital Nintendo and Sony.

[Spencer45317]

it doesn't matter that PS2 came out earlier. It has still outsold XBOX during every time period anywhere in the world. and since XBOX's release, around 30 million people have purchased PS2. 4.4 million have purchased Vice City. Would you please explain the rationale for the other 25.6 million? I've had a PS2 since Jan.2001. and have never played VC. Why didn't more people buy an XBOX over christmas when it came with two free games? Cause they didn't want the included console. In 2002, of the top 20 best-selling games, 13 were for the PlayStation 2, with five for GameBoy Advance and one each for the GameCube and the Xbox.

[The Hunter]

Yo Spencer, can you do me a favour, and slow down on the clicking on start new thread. Its starting to cross my eyes.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Spencer45317
Why didn't more people buy an XBOX over christmas when it came with two free games?

yeah two BAD games. you have never played vice city? What the f*ck is wrong with you?

Halo is nice but theres has to be more than halo for me to get one. Or pixelated T&A in a volleyball enviroment..

The reason why PS2 has sold more is because they have better games like MGS2(substance is really just vr missions for the xbox verison), Grand Thefo Auto, and etc..

[Spencer45317]

i'll get vice city eventually. i'm just a little set back moneywise since the network adaptor came out. i hope next year they add voice support to more games.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

i have to agree with wingnut and sephi here, pretty graphics just aint that important when it comes to games...i still love a good old game of space invaders, or pac man....even a game of pong is great fun..graphics aint that important, its the fun factor that counts, not that i know about Xbox or playstation cos i dont have one and i never will.

and wingnut owning a ps2 a gamecube and considering an Xbox.....thats frightening...didnt your mother teach you games rot your brains?

[snowborder74]

I love my ps2 cept for its little DRE (disc read error) problem...been in twice for that came back 2nd time and disk tray wouldnt open so now they giving me a whole new one 4 free. but other than that i am with the guys saying eye candy isnt everything...i prefer some of the classier games like GTA3 and VC they are excellent and rockstar should know sales would skyrocket if they went box with it to but isnt it odd how they dont...and all of these so called new and good games for the box i wont be holding my breath on it.. Now for sales...if the box was such a prodigy child of bill gates and so awesome ppl would own that over a ps2 so its got to have some problem especially when its still losing although they are offering 2games with it still at 199.

[AnimeDood]

my suggestion, dont buy vice city. it wasnt worth it. too easy, and really short.

[snowborder74]

dood as they call you with a remark like that your just looking for mass flames

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

no flaming you ps2 morons! we dont need flaming here!

[AnimeDood]

Originally posted by snowborder74
dood as they call you with a remark like that your just looking for mass flames
i guess, i'm not saying that the game sucked. it was great, but it was just too short and too easy. thats all.

[SUprEMeBeiNg]

id hope a system that came out 2 years be4 the box has a lead
just think box will pass 25 million by end of the year___plus their ganna sell over 100million units with their blockbuster games the year cough cough(halo 2,fable, and perfect dark zero to name a few)

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

damn straight supreme! wo0t!

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

xbox games this year wil outsell any game your crapass ps2 throws out

[SUprEMeBeiNg]

Xept those jap losers who like FFX:2

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

yah thats true, they do like their ff

[snowborder74]

man if it wasnt for those so called "jap losers" there probably wouldnt have been console gaming so that is a bad subject to be touching

[SUprEMeBeiNg]

so big deal it might have happened like beta max,or Y2k

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

i like japs, but i dont like ps2, except for vice, but even that is kinda..im lets see how to put it....boring!

[SUprEMeBeiNg]

hey thats coming out on pc remeber comrade

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

ahh yes, i forgot...

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by AnimeDood
i guess, i'm not saying that the game sucked. it was great, but it was just too short and too easy. thats all.

Its not that short or easy.. Theres alot more missions than 3 on it and maybe if you did just bare minimal missions and used cheats but really thats up to the player.

Xbox doesnt have any really good games and the ones it does like spliter cell are out for other systems like PC anyways and other consoles..

The only way MS is going to sell games if they continue to buy their system a spot in the game market by buying up game developers which is what they did with bungie and the only reason why halo is "x-box exclusive." Will MS be successful? I dont think they will because they cant monopolize the gaming industry and a couple of good games isnt going to make me rush out and get a xbox anytime soon..

[Spencer45317]

looks like xbox will finally be getting some worthy exclusives.

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Investment bank Investec said on Friday that it believed Microsoft Corp. was in talks with French media conglomerate Vivendi Universal about buying Vivendi's video game business for as much as $2 billion.
A spokeswoman for Vivendi Universal's game unit declined to comment. A Microsoft spokeswoman could not be immediately reached for comment.

Jeff Van Rhee, Investec's director of enterprise software research, told Reuters he had received indications a deal was in the works. "There was some pretty actionable data that said something had just happened and things were heating up pretty quickly," he said.

Speculation has been rampant for months on the fate of Vivendi Universal Games, which publishes well-known PC titles like "WarCraft" and "Diablo" and games based on J.R.R. Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings" books.

The division, which is strongest in PC games but also has significant console game operations, has been reported at various times in the last year to be either up for sale or in preparations for an initial public offering.

Sources told Reuters in mid-December that Vivendi had had at least preliminary conversations about the potential for a deal with Microsoft, Sony Corp. and Electronic Arts Inc..

Van Rhee, in his note, reiterated past speculation that Vivendi has been seeking a price of anywhere from $1 billion to $2 billion for the games unit. Most financial analysts have characterized the lower end of that range as more likely.

Microsoft, which bought British games developer Rare for $375 million cash in September, has said it would be most interested in acquiring game developers that could add to its internal product efforts rather than a full-fledged publisher.

One of the main criticisms of the company's Xbox video game console has been the lack of internally produced hit titles, though the company did find success with the military action game "Halo" in 2001 and 2002.

A number of video game companies have warned that their results for the December quarter would be weaker than previously expected as retailers became more conservative in their ordering, only taking large quantities of titles with proven hit potential.

microsoft is taking over the world one step at a time.

[PowerMan57two]

I'm gonna have to agree. The XBOX is a lot better than the ps2. I have owned both and sold the PS2 after i got the xbox. i never played ps2 anymore compared to the xbox's great performace. i do go by it's hardware and graphics and xbox has got the best out of these top 3 gaming systems. and there are tons of good games. i love halo, dead or alive 3, max payne, and i can't wait for halo 2!!!! oh yeah and mafia!!! mafia is the gtaIII type thing but for xbox!!! and i love how u can rip music onto the 8gb drive and play the music during some of the games. i would pick xbox any day over the ps2!!!

[Theinfamousone]

The reason PS2's are selling so much is because it takes a 2 year old to make their own games these days. See, the funny thing is, the more people can pirate the games, the more money Sony makes, like they care jack squat if their games are pirated, they haven't dropped the price for them in years ($200, when Game Cubes started out at $150) and I'm sure they are making hundreds on each one made. 50,000,000, that is quite a few, that's how many people have downloaded the divx 5.02 codec, and I know which is easier to do. BTW, does anyone know how I can change this freakin' piece of crap picture next to my posts? It would be much appreciated.

[Spencer45317]

i dont think thats necessarily true, that is, only caring about the console sales. here's a quote from CNET:

"Emulation poses a real financial threat to Sony, Nintendo and other companies that depend on game sales to survive. These companies generally sell their consoles at a loss, making up the difference through software sales. "

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-243987.html?legacy=cnet

[Jared592]

I think a couple of you underestimate the skills and time required to make a good game these days. Back in the days of sprites and 2D planes, coding was more simplistic. Nowadays, even a turd game has a 3D engine to be created, complex physics to calculate and input, and all sorts of other time-consuming but necessary steps. You won't see a 2 year old crapping out any of today's games (well, at least not the majority of them)...

[Rahwgwar]

I have played both the PS2 and XBox. Well I own the XBox and I think it is better. PS2 does have a lot of great fun games however, so the margin is slight. I loved GTA 3. I am now playing Splinter Cell on Xbox and it is quite possibly the most fun game I have played in quite a while. It really is a great game and I think developers will start taking advantage of the XBox hardware in years to come. PS2 won't have all the nice shading effects that the Xbox can support and in this game it is very important. You're sitting there in awe. IMO, Microsoft dealt what could be the final blow to Nintendo with the purchase of the developer Rare, who made a little game called.....Perfect Dark. So that will now be Xbox exclusive and will hurt them in a big way. Remember Donkey Kong 64 was one of the best sellers for the Nintendo 64. That purchase was very big. I think Nintnedo will go down under in a few years. I mean the thing looks like my lunch box when I was about 6 years old. LOL, I think you can make a fortress out of Xbox's. They weigh like 50 pounds, lol.
Of course the PS2 has many games and a huge following. We have to keep in mind that Sony pretty much ran against no competition for nearly 2 years. The field was all thiers. There were no other next-gen consoles out there. Now I think XBox is doing quite well for itself. It's doing better than Nintendo anyway. In a few years, it will be Sony vs. Microsoft (it would be great to see Sega in there, but thats highly unlikely. I was one of the few who liked DreamCast......Phantasy Star.)
And we have quite a line up of games coming up.....Halo 2, Brute Force, Fable, Deus Ex II, Starcraft: Ghost, Project Gotham Racing 2, Sudeki, Return to Castle Wolfenstein. The Xbox/Sega bundle outpeformed the GameCube/Mario Sunshine bundle by 172%. The attach rate for Xbox is 4.6 (highest such number at this stage of a console's life). Since launch, Xbox has sold 24% more consoles and 38% more software than Gamecube. In October it was 41% in both categories. The Xbox is nipping at Sony's heels. No good games? How about DOA, Halo, PGR, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Mech Assault, Unreal Championship, Medal of Honor: Frontline, Quantum Redshift, Wreckless, JSRF, Sega GT 2002, Star Wars: Jedi Knight, Timesplitters and Ghost Recon. Those are just some of the games.
Now let's take a look at the online department, where the XBox is the clear cut winner here. Hmm.....Xbox has a built in ethernet port. What was that, Ps2 doesn't. Oh ok, add on about $35 there. Hard disk not required, but if you're gonna download stuff online, then it is highly recommended. Xbox has u covered on that one. So if PS2 owners want one, add about another $100. One unique identity for Xbox, multiple identities for different games on PS2. One password for all games on XBox, different password for each game on PS2. You only have to enter your credit card # once with Xbox, each time with each different publisher on PS2. Worldwide find friends on Xbox, on PS2 it varies by publisher. Now this is all you can do on Xbox that you can't do on PS2 (seems PS2 wants it to be difficult to play against your buddies.)
Xbox: 1) see when friends are online; 2) see what they are playing; 3) invite friends to your game; 4) find and join your friends; 5) create a friends-only game
They don't even have voice capability in all PS2 games. Not only does Xbox have voice capability in each and every game, but it has voice masking. You can ban annoying players with Xbox, with PS2 you have to put up with them. You also cannot do geographically close searches with PS2, as you can w/ XBox. So far the only developer working on PS2 online is Electronic Arts. And I can tell you that playing online was a blast....the voice communicator was virtually crystal clear and the Mech Assault lag was very subtle. That is the best mech game ever created. With MechAssault, Unreal Championship, Nfl Fever, Phantasy Star Online as launch titles for XBox Live, Microsoft boasted huge sales. And now we have over 200 games. I have nearly 25 games and would have more if I had more money. Some great, some bad (and some just down right horrible...take Azurik for instance, what a crappy game, they should have a warning sticker on that thing telling you how crappy it is.)
The only thing that looms over Microsoft's head is the Final Fantasy series (I applause Konami Arts for some wonderful work...I think it's Konami.) Final Fantasy games are always great to play, but it will prolly never be available for XBox, since they are bed buddies w/ Sony. And of course, the GTA series. Sure, Xbox is developing True Crime right now which is totally a GTA game and parallels it in almost every way. But I will honestly say it's looking like crap and it needs sumthin that will distinguish itself from GTA. Just some food for thought.

[snowborder74]

I wont argue with the fact that Xbox has the best console in performance and if it even had near the game line up as sony it would smoke it. I have also noticed any of the better games for the Xbox have either been made by a different company or is a port from another system....now granted sony doesnt make the greatest titles ever but they do have a descent amount that will hold their own like ATV 1-2 The Getaway and others.
When it comes to the Xbox i have seen some games like Chariot racing? what the $@%$ is that cmon thats a sad excuse for a game and thats just the name of it.
Another Difference is that although its alot better Microsofts Internet capabilities means you need to shell out 50$ (and i remember Msoft saying that it already had its Enet adapter and you wouldnt need to buy one back during console wars) at start up and then your monthly fees almost like a 2nd isp and for the casual online gamer the much better choice is the ps2 cuz you only need to buy the adapter and it works with both phone (not very good tried it) and over a NIC on broadband which is way better

[nasrules]

er.............supremebeingismyfriend............l ook wot hapnd with the n64 an the psx. psx won with half the power!!! ps2 games that absolutely kick xbox's ass: the getaway, gta3, gta vice city, mgs2, gran turismo 3, (is hitman 2 on xbox i dunno but thats well good) i dunno about mohaa aswell but if not then thats another ps2 victory.

about the online thing, only people with broadband will be able to use it, and many people only have access to dialup.

dreamcast was waaaaay too early and xbox + gamecube were too late. ps2 was jus right hehe!

[Jared592]

Rahwgwar, you need to space your thoughts out more. Seeing a mass of words without any defining breaks or paragraphing makes people want to simply skip reading your post. I tried to read it but it's such an unruly mass of unorganized thoughts that it really threw me off.

As far as this general conversation, it doesn't really matter what capabilities the system has (within reason). If I had a system similar to the X-Box in power but with crap games and an NES with some great games (Contra, etc), you can bet I'd play the NES before I played the much more powerful system.

It's all about the games! The system is merely the vessel through which we receive our gaming goodness. Every system so far has some great games, so forget about these pointless "X-Box=MORE POWER 1337 HAHAHAA", "GAMECUBE!? HAHA KIDDIE LUNCHBOX!!! kekeke", "PS2 SUx0rS!!!" b.s. and just play the games you like!

[maartendc]

Haaaa, supremebeing is my friend,

That's how you got so many posts at once... when you want to say 3 sentences you just post 3 posts.... very convenient...

ps2 rules, it may not have supreme hardware, but it has supreme games dudes! And, its cheaper than the xbox. And xbox controllers make my hands hurt!

The fact that ps2 came out sooner definatly gave sony an advantage.

[Undermind]

Originally posted by maartendc
Haaaa, supremebeing is my friend,

That's how you got so many posts at once... when you want to say 3 sentences you just post 3 posts.... very convenient...

ps2 rules, it may not have supreme hardware, but it has supreme games dudes! And, its cheaper than the xbox. And xbox controllers make my hands hurt!

The fact that ps2 came out sooner definatly gave sony an advantage.

LoL, true true, I'm wondering how credible his knowledge on games is when he obviously doesn't have time to play any due to his goal to exceed 5 million posts in a single day

[Sephiroth]

The arguement has been well the xbox has the best specs which really can the xbox be able to hold up to Playstation 3? I dont think so and MS isnt going to come out with a new console for a long time.

Imitation games and maybe a few exclusive good games is still not enough to make alot of people buy one. The sega bundle sucked those games which i both played are horrible.

Even the xbox verison of games suck. I mean why the hell would anyone in their right mind get unreal championship? The PC Unreal Tournament 2003 is 10 time better and ive played both.

Which brings me back to my first point that unless Microsoft continues to pay a shit load to developers to make their games "xbox exclusive" or buy them out completely I dont see anything really spectacular because its only the games they they did that which are really even worth playing.

[Undermind]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
The arguement has been well the xbox has the best specs which really can the xbox be able to hold up to Playstation 3? I dont think so and MS isnt going to come out with a new console for a long time.

Imitation games and maybe a few exclusive good games is still not enough to make alot of people buy one. The sega bundle sucked those games which i both played are horrible.

Even the xbox verison of games suck. I mean why the hell would anyone in their right mind get unreal championship? The PC Unreal Tournament 2003 is 10 time better and ive played both.

Which brings me back to my first point that unless Microsoft continues to pay a shit load to developers to make their games "xbox exclusive" or buy them out completely I dont see anything really spectacular because its only the games they they did that which are really even worth playing.

I've heard all the arguments, and actually I'm quite tired of them. Bottom line is I won't buy an XBOX, mostly 'cuz of what Seph is saying and I already own a Cube and a PC, between the two I can play most of the hot titles, and if I can't, then I'll just play them at a friend's house, it's not worth spending all my money to have all 3 systems

[Platinum Theory]

thats a damn lie. Xbox oputsold PS2 and GC in Decnber, November and (i think) September of 2002. You, spencer, r what we call a 'fanboy', oh yeah u 2 wingnut. i ahve all 3, i prefer xbox cause of its technical compabilities. thats my 2 cents

[maartendc]

You have all 3???

Why you rich bastard! LOL

I actually have no consoles, I have a kickass pc.
But I do play ps2 a lot at a friends house. And I've played Xbox and Gamecube...

[Gicapster]

Hey people,

I've my own comments on this. I have both consoles, but in fact I prefer my PS2 above the Xbox. Although Xbox has way better specs I can't see the fun of it. The PS2 has a great collection of games compared to the Xbox: GTA3, GTA Vice City, The Getaway. (yeah, yeah, I know it's released 2 years earlier). And for my Xbox, the only game I really like for it Splintercell, Halo is not the best game for Xbox for me, I think it's pretty boring (but that's my taste)

Why I think PS2 sells/is better:

- Xbox needs a Massive Entertainment Pack (Xbox + 3 games) to sell, they've already announced to double investments for Xbox.

- Because of the bad look of the Xbox, there's gonna be a second edition (not Xbox 2) coming out this year. It's little smaller, and is transparant green

- Talking about the "bright" future of Xbox: the Xbox 2 will be released before the PlayStation 3. (silly Xbox-1-ers)

- About the online features of PS2 and Xbox: Xbox Online has a monthly/annual fee, PlayStation Online will have a one time fee of € 70,- (that's +/- $70) and a mp game will be included :)

[Rahwgwar]

Xbox Live costs only $50. That's with the game, Xbox communicator and a 12 month subscription. There is no other so called "monthly ISP costs." I repeat: THERE IS NO MONTHLY FEE FOR LIVE. So it is cheaper than PS2's and you already have your ethernet port and a hard drive. $50 gets you 12 months and there is now 50 online titles and much more in development. You just pay your own ISP bill as normal. Now if you won't shell out $50 for that you're just a cheapass. That's around $4.20 a month (and that's not including the price of the communicator and game). Factor those in and your estimated price for the 12 month service is about $1.50 or about 5 cents a day. And Microsoft hasn't revealed their plans for when the 12 months expires. They will prolly raise the price, but for now the plan stands as: $50 a year until otherwise said differently.

15% of households have broadband access, 35% of Xbox owners have broadband, and strangely enough 50% of Halo players have broadband. Microsoft just wanted to invest its time and money into broadband. Now it still stands that PS2 has no hard drive and the facility built-in. History proves that the adoption rate of any peripheral other than a new controller or memory card is miserable.

The Xbox games are coming. Give it some time. Have any of you played the 15 games that I mentioned. And Rare is busy away developing classic games of old and new games. I also mentioned about 10 which will be released soon. I already said its gonna be Sony. vs. Microsoft in a few years.

@ Jared: I usually do space my thoughts. I just wanted to get all my thoughts down this early morning. I was tired and just wanted to click 'submit.' Don't worry it's not a habit and if you look at my previous posts most of my posts are spaced well. Don't take it personally. I also made fun of the XBox. Weighing 50 lbs was not a compliment. You think I like transporting that thing? Please keep small children away from it.

JSRF sucked? The worlds were massive, plently of objectives and characters and the best cell shaded game I've ever seen. Sega GT 2002 was an excellent racing game. Albeit, Gran Turismo is better just because of the massive selection of cars and multiple tracks. Tack House of the Dead 3, Morrowmind, Project Ego, BC, and Steel Batallion (holy crap 40 button controller, lol) on as another great Xbox title.

This argument will not go anywhere and hopefully will not start a flame war. Everyone will stand steadfasatly by their system of choice. And if you don't like using the regular controller, use the S controller. I prefer that controller as it is smaller and the black and white buttons are conveniently located below the thumbstick. Not to mention the buttons are spaced out better.

[Spinecast]

Originally posted by Platinum Theory
thats a damn lie. Xbox oputsold PS2 and GC in Decnber, November and (i think) September of 2002. You, spencer, r what we call a 'fanboy', oh yeah u 2 wingnut. i ahve all 3, i prefer xbox cause of its technical compabilities. thats my 2 cents

You seem to have your definition of "fanboy" mixed up.

A fanboy is one who prefers a console based soley on graphics and other performance issues, alone. They don't care about the games. They won't admit when a console with lesser power has far better games. They love to argue about this crap instead of enjoying the games they like. You know the kinda people I am talking about...It doesn't matter if Pong was the only Xbox game available, they'd still praise it because the specs look better on paper.

So, by definition, you are a fanboy. You like your console of choice based on it's performance. I don't see you mentioning any games, like the 2 other posters you called "fanboys" were.

[Platinum Theory]

*clap clap* wll u certinately know ur fanboy definition, do we?, it almost seems suspicious. I like xbox beacuse..........well im a nerd. thas it. i like technical stuff that y i like xbox, notice i said tjhose 2, not u

MY 2 CENTS!!!!!!!!

[Rahwgwar]

My definition of a fanboy is someone who goes on PS2 forums proclaiming how good the XBox is or vice versa. Someone who talks crap about other systems and doesn't back up their system of choice with facts. Someone whom given the facts to refute their statements still go "hahaha Xbox rules, Die PS2." A fanboy is someone who doesn't listen to others and just spouts off bullshit and won't even give other systems a second thought. They're determined to say that their system is the best in every single way and the other systems cannot do crap. They are lying to themselves and others. I'm sure we can all agree with that to a certain extent.

I already stated that the PS2 is a great product and the numbers show it. I just feel that Xbox will unleash more and make a good run in the future. I don't think the 2 you are referring to are necessarily fanboys. They stated their opinion and backed it up with facts. There is no wrong or right way to do this. I did the same.

[Spinecast]

Originally posted by Platinum Theory
*clap clap* wll u certinately know ur fanboy definition, do we?, it almost seems suspicious. I like xbox beacuse..........well im a nerd. thas it. i like technical stuff that y i like xbox, notice i said tjhose 2, not u

MY 2 CENTS!!!!!!!!

When all of the game boards are becoming flooded with fanboys, you quickly learn what they are.

I am a computer programmer, and even I don't sit around and compare the performance of all 3 consoles. I really don't care. I just play the games. After all, that's what it's about.

But, whatever floats your skirt...

[Undermind]

But WTF cares? they are all good in their own way and no matter what anyone says you are not going to make another person hate/love or buy/not buy a system solely on words, so I just say, fuck it

[Spencer45317]

Originally posted by Platinum Theory
thats a damn lie. Xbox oputsold PS2 and GC in Decnber, November and (i think) September of 2002. You, spencer, r what we call a 'fanboy', oh yeah u 2 wingnut. i ahve all 3, i prefer xbox cause of its technical compabilities. thats my 2 cents

I guess I better defend myself.

"Worldwide sales(of Playstaion 2) in November and December totaled 8.5 million units, of which nearly half of those were in the North American market."
http://www.gamemarketwatch.com/news/item.asp?nid=2630

"Mitch Koch, vice president of retail sales for Microsoft's games division, said the company has sold 8 million Xbox units to date. With the holiday sales season over, Microsoft expects to sell about a million more by the end of the company's fiscal year June 30"
http://star-techcentral.com/cnetasia/story.asp?file=/2003/1/20/cnetasia/0,39001147,39107828,00&sec=cnetasia

I would challenge you to back up your statement, or you would be what we call, a fanboy.

By the way,
More than 1,500 games have been made for the console(PS2) on more than 10,500 developer kits, according to Sony. (Along with 1000's of PSone titles)
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/News/1138063

Almost 200 games will be available in total for Xbox by the end of the year.
http://www.xboxhero.com/news/news026.htm

This is where some will respond saying, but those psone titles don't count so its only 1500:200. Or they'll say, but who would want to play those old games, they look crappy? It just truly shows you that they really don't care if a game is good or not. Some only care about the graphics.

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

bottom line is xbox is better, xbox live costs $50 when ps2s online parts cost $800, and xbox performs way better, and the games that are good are very good, true crime and halo 2 will be big sellers as i said. i agree totally with Platinum Theory, xbox outsold both gamecube and ps2 during one month, and i think you ps2 fanboys cant handle that.

[Spencer45317]

Originally posted by SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND
bottom line is xbox is better, xbox live costs $50 when ps2s online parts cost $800, and xbox performs way better, and the games that are good are very good, true crime and halo 2 will be big sellers as i said. i agree totally with Platinum Theory, xbox outsold both gamecube and ps2 during one month, and i think you ps2 fanboys cant handle that.

come on, give a source.

[Rahwgwar]

And what the hell is up with only 2 controller ports for PS2? What was Sony thinking? I dunno about the rest of you, but I have more than one friend, and I don't feel like laying cash to buy another frickin' adapter among the missing ethernet port and hard drive, making you buy those little memory cards.

PS2's online plans are going to prove a mess as time goes on simply because it isn't centralized or streamlined in any way.

What's funny is PS2 online games are going to find more competition among themselves than with Xbox Live. Paying a fee for access to different developers' games is going to prove prohibitive cost-wise. The more games that come out and require subscriber fees, the few games customers will be willing to pay for. PS2 games will be competing with each other for marketshare.

Not even including the fact that voice communication, gamer ID, passwords, and setup differ for every developer whose game you subscribe to. That's the whole issue. At least with XBL, the developers can concentrate on one issue...creating a killer online game. They don't have to worry about hosting a network, network maintenance, servers, bandwidth, subscription programs, gamer tracking, etc...all the infrastructure is there already. Developers creating online content for Xbox have everything going for them...they're free to do what they do best. Not so for PS2.

While Xbox Live subs will need only pay an annual fee and the purchase of the game, they'll have access to a plethora of content as time goes on. So I reiterate again: IT IS AN ANNUAL FEE.

Please read up on your facts before you make outrageous statements, especially you SupremeBeingIsMyFriend. C'mon do you expect anyone to believe you're credible if you don't cite you sources. No quotations, no nothing. I got a lot of my sources from a magazine if you are all wondering and mine are believable, unlike SupremeBeingIsMyFriend. Now you are being hypocritical and you've become the fanboy just spouting off fibs. You have diarrhea of the mouth man.

Microsoft has the clear advantage when it comes to online gaming. They have the experience and it's close to their core markets and expertise. Anyone who disputes that is kidding themselves. SOCOM is the only thing Sony can boast about right now, but Xbox has similar games. Medal of Honor: Frontline and soon Rainbow Six.

[SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND]

im done arguing, you people just dont understand that xbox is better...

[Platinum Theory]

well spurebeindismyfriend, u r right, they won listen 2 us unless they think were fanboys. skrew this, peace.

[Rahwgwar]

Calm your jets everyone. Every system has its strengths and weaknesses, but I just prefer Xbox. I am in no way a fanboy. Hell, I love games and always will. I gave major probs to Rockstar games. This patriotism crap for your system needs to stop. State your opinion, back it up. That's all. Don't bash other systems without merit. To experience the full gaming effect, you would have to own every system. That's all we want, people: Games. Now stop with this crap that certain systems have supremacy over others. I don't go out bashing other systems like an unsophisticated idiot. If you say your system is best and all the others suck, you are ignorant and are way too prideful of whatever system you have. *just a little rant*

So everyone just please stop the petty console war crap and check out this article.
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/093/093361p1.html

(it's under the xbox subtitle, but don't let that throw you off. It is not pro-xbox. I'm serious. It's an atricle summing up what I just said about all this petty crap going on. It's neutral and is a great written article about games in general.)

[wonderboy2005]

omg.... this is pittiful. what the hell is the point of arguing? do you think anyone here is going to go sell their system of choice because some kid on the internet thinks a different system is better? no! so be quiet! all of you.

EVERYONE should be able to agree on these simple facts:

Xbox has better performance/power

PS2 has sold more counsoles, games, etc. and continues to do so.

the rest is PLAIN AND SIMPLY PREFERENCE!!!

however, one should not base his or her choice of counsole solely on those facts. you should buy the sytem that has the most games YOU LIKE!!!

like stated above, power really doesn't make that much difference. true, the more powerfull the sytem, the better looking the game is (usually), but looks alone do not make a game.

enough said. ugh... what a pittiful thread....

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by SUPrEmEBeInGismyFrIeND
when ps2s online parts cost $800.

No it doesnt. Only costs 40 bucks and unlike the xbox you dont have to sign up and pay monthy fees. Most games you can play for free like PC games some there will be month fees like Everquest online adventures and others like it but thats no different from those types of games on PC.

[ronniebravo]

Wonderboy hit the nail on the head--I have a ps2 and pretty much only use it to watch dvd's anymore--I guess i got bored.

[snowborder74]

From what I've heard now Microsoft wants and or plans to buy out to both rock star games and square soft but this time I'm waiting for my friend to give me the link to the article that is on game pro that supposedly tells about this buyout that Microsoft plans to be doing. I think this is a whole bunch of crap into that it's really sad that Microsoft has to buy some of the best game companies that are out there is so they can become competitive within the gaming industry. I also hope that the government finally figures out that what Microsoft is trying to do should be illegal to that personally think that they are trying to monopolize the gaming industry as well as the operating system industry. Don't get me wrong their operating systems are great but I think they've gone too far trying to push Sony at gaming industry by buying out some of their best game creators for the platform. I'm just hoping that things don't get to the point where Microsoft's game system is the only one on the market. Although that is worst-case scenario to me it seems possible