Anonymous access?

[Bermudabob]

I got a phonecall from my ISP the other day..

Basically my IP address had been detected by one of those nasty RIAA snoop programs and they had contacted my ISP to tell them to turf me off the net. Thankfully I'm in Bermuda and they told them where to get off as they have no jurisdiction here.

One of the guys at the ISP rang me and made a few suggestions as to how to avoid detection. Some of the ideas were obvious but one was to get 'Anonymizer'. Is this any good? From what I can see it only looks like it works with browsing, and not with P2P software like Kazaa.

I'm also open to other ideas on how to hide my IP address. Currently looking into freenet, but its very cumbersome.

Anyone out there got any suggestions on how to stay hidden?

Thanks,

Rob

[Vlet]

Man, you got it good - you've got political freedom - f00k em! You don't have to worry about it, and no I don't think Anonymizer or any thing like that will protect you as far as file sharing goes

[Wings_of_Azrael]

If you're looking to switch from Kazaa to FreeNet, you'll be very diappointed. Not much on there outside of child porn and other scummy things. You might wanna look into a proxy pay service. There aren't any free ones that are worthwhile anymore... as far as I know.

[Jared592]

I suggest you use a prog called MultiProxy. It's been mentioned here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5778) before, and as long as you stick to anonymous proxies, you should be good as far as keeping the anti-p2p 'man' from finding out your true ISP and trying to bring you down. At this moment, for whatever reason, the download site is down. The link is http://www.multiproxy.org/downloads.htm. If it's not working, PM me and I can get you a copy.

[2001team]

What about Peer Guardian? It kind of offers protection and can be found on this site in the programs part.

[Bermudabob]

Thanks guys,

I'm a happy bunny again and I'm running both Multiproxy and PeerGuardian just to be on the safe side!

Rob

[aqlo]

'Anonymizer' is run by US government dude

[FileHoover]

Originally posted by Bermudabob
I got a phonecall from my ISP the other day..

Basically my IP address had been detected by one of those nasty RIAA snoop programs and they had contacted my ISP to tell them to turf me off the net. Thankfully I'm in Bermuda and they told them where to get off as they have no jurisdiction here.

One of the guys at the ISP rang me and made a few suggestions as to how to avoid detection. Some of the ideas were obvious but one was to get 'Anonymizer'. Is this any good? From what I can see it only looks like it works with browsing, and not with P2P software like Kazaa.

I'm also open to other ideas on how to hide my IP address. Currently looking into freenet, but its very cumbersome.

Anyone out there got any suggestions on how to stay hidden?

Thanks,

Rob

They do not get you by what you download.

They get you by what you are sharing. They browse the P2P network, see where their files are being shared. Start a download, packet sniff where that download is coming from and ding, you are tagged.

Using a proxy is not going to help you as proxies are only for downloading and most P2P programs do not support proxies anyway (I am not talking about SOCKS proxies which are a different thing).

Why do they use sharing to get you? I'll go into the reasons at a later time.

ES5 will be coming out soon and it allows you to share and download with complete anonymity.

[overdo]

Originally posted by Jared592
I suggest you use a prog called MultiProxy. It's been mentioned here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5778) before, and as long as you stick to anonymous proxies, you should be good as far as keeping the anti-p2p 'man' from finding out your true ISP and trying to bring you down. At this moment, for whatever reason, the download site is down. The link is http://www.multiproxy.org/downloads.htm. If it's not working, PM me and I can get you a copy.

in the FAQ it says it will only work with website not other programs - is this true? if not how can u configure it to use it with kazaa?

thx for the link btw:wings

[overdo]

ok i've set up Multiproxy. its a good program, a bit low on the help side but i managed to figure the stuff out eventually. i've been playing around with kazaa and i don't think u can connect throught multipoxy. within windows messenger, u can select what type of proxy u r connecting throught :http. socks4, socks 5. selecting http and typing in the correct data seems to have worked fine. however kazaa only allows u to select socks5 proxy. other apps which use the default IE setting have no problems connecting (in the Advanced IE6 options i selected all protocols to be used with multipoxy)

anybody got a solution for this?

[Bermudabob]

Originally posted by FileHoover
ES5 will be coming out soon and it allows you to share and download with complete anonymity.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is ES5?

Rob

[Dior]

Read the threads titled es5...its all over the place.

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7599

Beta signup (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8239&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

[Korn377135678]

I love how people talk about programs that are not even out for download yet.It could be months or years before it comes out.Thats not really going to help the guy now.

[overdo]

if u want anonomous p2p, send an email to the PFT team from their homepage and say u want a http proxy feature in it. the higher the demand, the more likey they'll try to include it.

PFT - projectfasttrack (http://www.projectfasttrack.com)

[TrainWreck]

I've been reading a LOT on this over the past week, and as I understand it, you cannot both share through the existing P2P programs and use multiple Proxies.

As at some point you have to give them a "real" port to actually download from. As I understand it, this is why guys were doing IP Spoofing, but I have read that is not 100% effective anyway.

Can someone tell me if I am out to lunch here? Just on this point, not in General, as that I am well aware of.

EDIT and right after I sent this, I got an email from a friend saying I am wrong, they are on it, and it's not ES5. Check this link
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,919681,00.asp
It's called Six/Four, and I know nothing about it except whats in the article linked above. If any of you know about this I would love to here more!!!!!!

[overdo]

using existing ones i do not think it is possible. i know one program can use bouncer but i forget which one it is.

As at some point you have to give them a "real" port to actually download from

a proxy just acts as an intermediatary. so the p2p downloader app requests the data from the proxy, which asks for the data from the uploader, which sends the data to the proxy, which in turn sends the data to the downloader. i'm not sure about multiple proxies though. seeing as multiple sourcing is possible i guess multiple proxies maybe as well. seeing as its not mainstream i guess it hasn't been tried yet or else we would have heard its definitely not possible.

[TrainWreck]

Originally posted by overdo
intermediatary. so the p2p downloader app requests the data from the proxy, which asks for the data from the uploader, which sends the data to the proxy, which in turn sends the data to the downloader

As I understand it, this process is what give you a "real" port, and creates a traceable route right back to you at the "real" port. Like a packet with the mission of returning "where am I" info in its routing data?

And I thought that is how RIAA is "Guido"ing their way onto pc's??? "Yo, vinny, I gots one over heeeeeeere"

[Monyak]

Using a proxy is not going to help you as proxies are only for downloading and most P2P programs do not support proxies anyway (I am not talking about SOCKS proxies which are a different thing).

What you say about sniffing is correct, however I dont exactly agree with you here my friend about inability of programs to be functional while using a proxie.

Maybe you wanna explain yourself so that I understand exactly what you wanna say.

[overdo]

And I thought that is how RIAA is "Guido"ing their way onto pc's??? "Yo, vinny, I gots one over heeeeeeere"

they don't need to trace u. start downloading off some1 in kazaa then in dos type "netstat". it shows u the ip addresses of every1 u r downloading off.

As I understand it, this process is what give you a "real" port, and creates a traceable route right back to you at the "real" port. Like a packet with the mission of returning "where am I" info in its routing data?

i'm not familiar with all the intricacies of proxies but anonomous proxies do not pass on the real IP address. i have done several port scans and they were all not scanning me. to do the shields up test i had to download the IP tool which confirmed that my shown ip address was different to my actual one.

inability of programs to be functional while using a proxie.
i agree with u monyak. i have configured windows messenger to use multiproxy and most other programs just use the default IE settings - liveupdate, adaware update to name but a few.

[TrainWreck]

I agree that the programs will be functional, hell I have had limited sucess with that myself.

But I thought we were talking about Anonimity. As soon as you share, you open a port. Overdo your correct,, this is why NETSTAT shows you who your getting something from. And when you run thru a Proxy, thats the ip and corresponding port you would see. Most people are done "sniffing" at this point. And shields up will think you have tried to sniff the wrong IP.

But not a very very interested party like the RIAA. For the packets to make it to their destination and then the request to make it back to send more, they have to do a full loop on the same paths.

As I understand it, and I could be wrong, these worms they are using simply tag the packet with code to "sniff and report" where the hell they went, thereby giving them a route to where you where sharing from. Does this make sense? Am I wrong?

Also had you guys heard of that SIX/FOUR thing I poseted the link to?

[aqlo]

FrreNet allows quasi-anonymous access and sharing, that is what it was made for. On the other hand it is slow and unfriendly.

[Korn377135678]

Beta testing will not help this guy.He asked to get riaa from looking at his files.But like the rest of us he want to download files.A *beta* will not have enuff users for speed or content.And thats if he gets to be a beta tester.If you want to see into the future of p2p .Its fine.but not if you want a staple program
for downloads.

[endersgame21]

I love how people talk about programs that are not even out for download yet.It could be months or years before it comes out.Thats not really going to help the guy now.
It is not going to be months. I already have the beta and it should only be like 2 weeks or so before it is released. It won't help him this second but since we are on the topic now someone should tell him about is so he knows what it is when it comes out. That is easier then sending him a PM or something when the program comes out.

[overdo]

Originally posted by TrainWreck
But not a very very interested party like the RIAA. For the packets to make it to their destination and then the request to make it back to send more, they have to do a full loop on the same paths.

As I understand it, and I could be wrong, these worms they are using simply tag the packet with code to "sniff and report" where the hell they went, thereby giving them a route to where you where sharing from. Does this make sense? Am I wrong?

i'm not sure about this so called "worm." i haven't read any articles about it, except for one fake one which had ppl scared for a few hours. to be honest i don't really think they use a worm - hence the popularity of peerguardian. if they don't use a worm or other form of scripting, then they will only be able to get the IP address of the proxy. as i use anonomous proxies, the RIAA will have to take them to court to get them to say what the actual IP address being used was. i'm currently using 4 proxies out of a list of 127, which are in japan, korea, venezuala and sweden. i have no US registered ones on my list:fire

[Monyak]

Again, many people who have routers keep logs. The logs are not necessarily for the RIAA but for the sysops to know if they are having traffical problems and from where.

ALWAYS USE A PROXIE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE US! The Riaa has NO jurisdiction outside of the US, plus most international countries around the world have yet to address P2P in their courts.

I always said that ES5 was very smart to stick proxies in Palestine (probably guarded by suicidal tenndencies!) in an area like Gaza or Jenin that doesnt even really have real courts, rather semi-bullshit military courts. If your guilty you get shot!

But since they probably dont have even a proper postal delivery system nor do I think that the RIAA will wanna catch a plane and express their views in Ramallah, I think its safe to say that the RIAA will have no real opportunity to state their case against ES5 in their local terretory or close down their servers.

[TrainWreck]

Originally posted by overdo
i'm not sure about this so called "worm." i haven't read any articles about it, except for one fake one which had ppl scared for a few hours. to be honest i don't really think they use a worm - hence the popularity of peerguardian.... i'm currently using 4 proxies out of a list of 127

Overdo-
I read a relatively credible article about a company in silicon valley whose owner was interviewed and said "we have technology that "crawls" through the Kazaa and gnutella networks that reveals the IP of the sharing party behind proxies or otherwise" "If you share files on Kazaa or gnutella networks, we know who you are" This was in + - January 2003. I will try to find the article when I get time.

Now this could be Hype, or scare tactics and I have never seen any REAL information on this "worm" of sorts. And part of that I think is because what they are doing is possibly illegal in the US. But that doesn't convince me they aren't logging this info, Waiting for a time when it is legal for them to track you this aggressively.

And I agree if you bounce four deep on anonymous proxy servers, your real damn secure. It used to be as long as you are bouncing 1 deep outside your country, you were fine, but the US Gov proved that wrong by getting russian ISP's to cough up guys info.

Just curious Overdo, do you pay to use your proxies or just allowed to use them cuz your "in the loop" If pay I'm curious how expensive?

[overdo]

i believe that most of what the RIAA and others do is 1% real, 99% hype. if american's hear of some1 being sent to jail for using a p2p app, how many would stop and think about it before they'd uninstalled their chosen p2p app(s)?? btw this isn't to make american's appear dumb, just that ppl in the other countries aren't going to be too scared about an American judicial decision on an American p2p user.

as for the proxy thing - there are many free anonomous proxy lists available on the web. pm me if u want more information.