Riaa

[Bytronix]

Seems to be one of the hottest topics around here. What do you think? With the RIAA doing all the cracking down they are on illegal file swapping, do you think they themselves are doing everything 100% legal? Is the RIAA a bunch of hypocrites? Or, are they truely honest people just trying to make a buck? I think I already know the kind of replies this message might get. Which is partially why I'm writing this message. Personally, I'm finding all these posts about the RIAA to be extremely entertaining. It would be interesting to see an RIAA representative post on Zeropaid. So, back to the original question though... See the poll. Do you think that the RIAA has all of their computer software licenced? I just think it's interesting that they represent music, yet seem to say little to nothing about software. Well, that's all for now.

-Mike B.

[maartendc]

Well, I guess asking money for music is legal, but the hacking into peoples pc's and forcing ISP's to block certain p2p ports isn't... I feel the internet shouldn't have regulations or something like that. It's always been like that. The internet is free. And the internet should be free in another way too. Nowadays you have to pay for more and more services on the net. I do not like this development at all! The internet is becoming less and less free. I mean, you already have to pay your Isp, and then you gotta pay to acces this site, or that database... it's just not right. People should find a way to get the internet free again....

[Siskabush]

The RIAA is like the sultans of some countries

They make thier "hard earned" cash by the sweat and talents of thier members.

So, they are hypocrites, whining at us P2P users while they get thier money for free.

The **AA's have to go.

[Tremaine]

everyone does illegal stuff in there life and in life they probably still do, alot of people ar hypocrites in one way or another but that life.

[method77]

useless poll! I don't think anybody will vote that they are legit so what's the point?

[trinio]

Originally posted by maartendc
Well, I guess asking money for music is legal, but the hacking into peoples pc's and forcing ISP's to block certain p2p ports isn't... I feel the internet shouldn't have regulations or something like that. It's always been like that. The internet is free. And the internet should be free in another way too. Nowadays you have to pay for more and more services on the net. I do not like this development at all! The internet is becoming less and less free. I mean, you already have to pay your Isp, and then you gotta pay to acces this site, or that database... it's just not right. People should find a way to get the internet free again....

I don't like this development either. However, (to be the devil's advocate), the fact is, putting stuff online does cost money. We've already seen that a lot of free stuff doesn't work, and companies have had to switch to a fee-based model just to recover the costs of the services they provide. As an Economics major, I learned early on that there is no such thing as a free lunch. With few exceptions, ppl usually don't do things just for the sake and the love of doing them. They are usually motivated by some sort of compensation. After all, for those of you who have jobs, would you be working right now if you didn't have to? Would you just go to work for free for the love of doing it? Didn't think so.

As far as breaking into ppl's computers and crap like that, I don't agree with it at all, and I think it needs to be stopped! Last time I checked, there are such things as privacy and property rights in this country! But that's a whole 'nuther rant for a whole 'nuther day.

[TipYourBartender]

Originally posted by trinio
Last time I checked, there are such things as privacy and property rights in this country!

You ought to check again, 'cuz that's been gone for a long time.

[billme]

yeah, and the "war on terror" just makes it easier

[Jared592]

In response to the central question, YES, of course they're "licenced" (if you meant licensed). In their eyes, they're simply protecting their livelihood. Their vision is clouded but they're in power to act on the blips in their vision or they wouldn't be the RIAA.

[LiberateMusic!]

We must never forget that the RIAA is a private business organisation. Unfortunately, even politicans in Washington seems to forget that - if they even know it. Many of them thinks that the RIAA is acting in the interest of Artists. It couldn't be more wrong. So when they put a bill through, they think they're doing something for the Artists..

It can only make you cry.

[Bytronix]

Coincidentally, after I made the original post here I found an article (forgot where) about the music industry and the software industry joining together against piracy, the article pointed out though that oddly enough the MPAA did not join in. Why not? Again, one of those things that just doesn't make sence. Eh. Oh well.

-Mike B.

I'm off to read the posts!
-MJB

[endersgame21]

the riaa is doing everything legit but they are going in the wrong direction. they will never get rid of p2p. but they could use filesharing to their advantage

[Jorge]

If anyone is interested, I will be apearing in USAToday tomorrow (weds) discussing this topic.

jorge

[Shadow, Thief of the Sun]

Cover of album by metal band Overkill will say what i think about RIAA.

[MusikBeatz23]

Originally posted by maartendc
Well, I guess asking money for music is legal, but the hacking into peoples pc's and forcing ISP's to block certain p2p ports isn't... I feel the internet shouldn't have regulations or something like that. It's always been like that. The internet is free. And the internet should be free in another way too. Nowadays you have to pay for more and more services on the net. I do not like this development at all! The internet is becoming less and less free. I mean, you already have to pay your Isp, and then you gotta pay to acces this site, or that database... it's just not right. People should find a way to get the internet free again.... I remeber when the internet was FREE i mean literary FREE you had FREE INTERNET Acess and most of the isp where i think like 500 hours a month or unlimited.... but now we have 2 pay $ 40 or $ 23.90 and like you said pay 2 view sites thats messed up yet alone ger in trouble for file sharing... i bet if they ever censor file sharing 25% on the people who have internet acess would cut there ISP... :fire

[Mind_Kontrole_4_Phun]

:sw Ms Rosen beioch of the universe will most likely be "downloading" the superbowl this weekend. She most likely will be "Copying" it for her "own" use. OH yeah those of you with TiVos and them DVD recorders that work like VCRs n shit yeah you cats are brakein the law too and "Copying" and don't forget that if your buddy says to you, "Hey man can you make me a mix tape of them cds we had at your party last week" yes you too are breaking tha law and illegaly copying. TIme to ban all VCRs and all Cassette recorders and lastly everything else I think we should have a licence system to get blank media and special prisons just for files shares and for those who use "old"tech to "copy" and 'share" "files". If you get called to court, you, your VCR and all or your recording devices (DVD-R and CD burners and boom boxes the whole 9) must be included so the judge can see the loonicy of this. A HD is nothing more than a glorified cassette recorder. If my HD is illegal then so is my VCR my TiVo, my boombox cassette player recorder and so on and such forth. ANYTHING!!! that has a record botton or feature *gone* illegal. Think about it and Ms Rosen I hope you enjoy your game and your illegal file with it:):cross

[goweropolis]

Some good opinions here.

I've always felt that downloading music isn't really theft in the classic sense, because you're not actually depriving anyone of anything. You could argue that you're depriving artists of income, but just because I couldn't download the album wouldn't mean I would buy the CD. But oftentimes, I buy albums on CD that I heard first via file sharing (Tabla Beat Science, Wilco, Jurassic 5, etc.).

Basically file sharing is like telepathic word of mouth. Maybe the RIAA is scared because it won't be able to control the promotion of its artists via music videos, radio stations, print mags, etc. It's a power shift from music industry moguls to file sharing/net radio/internet mag moguls.

[Siskabush]

Maaaaaan.

File sharing is GOOD.
Most of my music that i love so much i would buy the CD isnt available in my city, some arent even available in Canada.

I cant find DJ Dawn
I cant find Jones and stephenson.
I cant find DJ Tiesto
I cant find 303 Infinity
you get the point.

If your gonna kill filesharing, at least make every damn album available everywhere, and for a better price, cuz i aint paying 30-40 bucks for a imported piece of digital plastic when i can get one for 1$, fully customize it, and burn it in 7 mins.

[smashriaamobsters]

If I purchase a cd or tape or video or a book, and want to share it with a friend, or the whole world, that is my business, not the RIAA's, not the governments.

All of the companies that the RIAA represents (including Universal Music, Sony Music, Warner Music, EMI Music, and BMG Music) are currently being sued for conspiring to illegally raise the prices of prerecorded music products (price fixing) in violation of State and Federal laws. This is criminal activity.

Criminal conspiracy. A group of record companies under the umbrella of the RIAA, banded together to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose.

Where there is big money, there is going to be some big time criminal activity. It's human nature.

There is a bill pending at this moment, in congress, (see the post) which is cleverly worded to allow the media industries to hack, plant viruses, worms, and other methods that would destroy or interfere with the downloading of media files. (as long as it doesn't harm the individuals’ computer).

The ramifications of this bill, if it passes, are nightmarish for our freedoms, as we know them. This in itself would be a criminal act, in my opinion, with politicians as co-conspirators of the mobsters of the RIAA. How much money did the congressman author of this bill receive from the RIAA under the guise of campaign contributions?

The actions of the RIAA are spinning quickly out of control, and the results of their unbridled greed could affect many areas of our lives.

[rune2001]

The record industry are all morons!
Wake up! You are fighting for the consumers with for example the MOVIE industry and the computer/video GAME industry.

Peple dont have money enough to by them all and because of that, you are losing percentage of the consumers to your competetors!
This has nothing to do with file sharing. I believe that you lose from some people that downloads music from P2P fileshares, but on the other hand, you get more profits from people that discovers new music on these P2P networks and buys them in the store when they have decided that it is good music and worth the money.

To all artists: It is a new time, new technology, new opportunities! Wake up and find new ways to promote yourselves! Dont let the profit hungry bastards take all the credit and all your money! Join the people and our way of life, it is the future and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it! The sooner you realize this, the better for you.

Also, remember this; the consumers are epicures, most of us dont fall for lame promotions to sell crappy music. We download it to establish the fact that NO WAY we're going to buy this shit for hard earned money. So, those artists who make really good music, they WILL sell more CD's and all those cover-maker-rippoffs-profithungry-bastards will probably not. This is real life and the record industry is just pissed of that they cant fool and rip-off as much people as they used to.

Think about it, you know that i'm right...

[almanzo]

The RIAA is just about money - if something supports their financial interests, they will do it; if not, they don't care. I think they couldn't care less about software piracy or anything else because that has nothing to do with their money. If this whole p2p thing had anything to do with morals or "right and wrong" then groups like the RIAA would realize music sharing is the very least of the problems on p2p compared to all the REALLY illegal crap on there.

I remember back when Morpheus was the next big thing there was that option where you could see what people were searching for - and I'm not exaggerating (you've all probably seen it too) at least 50 or 60 percent of the searches were for kiddie porn. And the big legal battle today over p2p being shut down is over COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT??? GIVE ME A BREAK!!! It's all about money, and greed. RIAA uses it's money to lobby for new legislation to support its business model, which in turn makes them more money, which they can use some of to lobby some more, until finally the cycle is broken.

BREAK THE CYCLE!

[sharedawealth]

quote:
"There is a bill pending at this moment, in congress, (see the post) which is cleverly worded to allow the media industries to hack, plant viruses, worms, and other methods that would destroy or interfere with the downloading of media files. (as long as it doesn't harm the individuals’ computer). "

Well if any copyright organisation sends a virus to my computer for using a P2P program, I will sue their ass off. RIAAs power ends in the USA. If they send a worm through a P2P network it would have a global effect. It would even probably attack some government departments around the world where workers use P2P. I dont think RIAA would use worms or viruses at the moment, but who knows what the RIAA of tommorow will be like!

:devil

[Lamourlady]

this puts me in mind of a post i made at Napster a long time ago.
it boils down to this.........if i hold a small piece of paper, called a receipt, doesn't this make it mine?
or r we saying that nothing is truly ours?
every single item we purchase has been invented or made by someone else.....right?
i don't see any of the copyright holders throwing such a fuss if i choose to share it, give it away.....or just throw it in the garbage.
but with most things.......i can do this.
it is mine.
i bought it with my hard earned money.
it makes me wonder why "intellectual property" is so different.
does buying a cd mean i only really own the plastic disc?
the labeling, ink & pretty colors?
if it does......then i don't think i want it.
why would i pay the amount of money they want for a disc of plastic?
why even bother putting the recording on there if i can't do what i want with it after i have given my money for it?
i agree with this statement by goweropolis...

I've always felt that downloading music isn't really theft in the classic sense, because you're not actually depriving anyone of anything. You could argue that you're depriving artists of income, but just because I couldn't download the album wouldn't mean I would buy the CD.

good point.
one i have pondered many a time.
most of these artist r lucky i've even streamed their music to these ears.
because otherwise.........i wouldn't have bothered to even check them out, let alone buy their cd.
and the typical user is not out trying to make a buck off of p2p.
and considering the population of the world.
the few millions on p2p could hardly be considered the mass cd buying collective.
most of the "children" even on p2p, wouldn't even be buying cds at this time in their lives anyway.
parents hook up the internet hoping the kids will learn and be prepared for a world of computers and to help with homework essays and such.
but i doubt very much they r buying their kids cds, weeklly.
and us adults........well, i'll continue to say it.
we've had to upgrade from 8-track, lp,cassette to cd and now dvd.
and ya just know it doesn't end there.
we know that in a short time.....most of us will be paying to download from the internet.
the logical next step, if the RIAA ever wakes up and gets with the times.
i believe i've paid the RIAA enough for the same songs over and over and over again.
when does it end?
why do artists and copyright holders to "intellectual property" have the right to collect monies, for a preposterous amount of years, beyond their deaths?
why r they so different to any other inventer or creative person?
these questions have me stumped.
and until they r answered i will NEVER EVER feel guilty for my p2p usage.
until i've taken the master copies of their music out of their hands.......i am not a thief.
and until i bootleg a million copies and sell them for 10 bucks a pop.......i am not a pirate.

"thank u verdy much.........please come again."

[aqlo]

If anyone is interested, I will be apearing in USAToday tomorrow (weds) discussing this topic.

Discussing the idea that RIAA's own software may be "under-licensed" ??? That would be cool as crap, chances are that they would find Something you know, just through sheer volume, remember about how Lotus went after post offices and school-systems even.

Or more likely just discussing how neat0 p2p is I suppose *sighs*

[Winphuk]

I was just at a record store in the city, and I realized something quite profound. There's no need for security anymore. Why would anybody steal a CD and risk going to jail if you can just download it. P2P is good because it helps cut down on shoplifting and saves record stores money.

[Winphuk]

Originally posted by sharedawealth
quote:
"There is a bill pending at this moment, in congress, (see the post) which is cleverly worded to allow the media industries to hack, plant viruses, worms, and other methods that would destroy or interfere with the downloading of media files. (as long as it doesn't harm the individuals’ computer). "

Well if any copyright organisation sends a virus to my computer for using a P2P program, I will sue their ass off. RIAAs power ends in the USA. If they send a worm through a P2P network it would have a global effect. It would even probably attack some government departments around the world where workers use P2P. I dont think RIAA would use worms or viruses at the moment, but who knows what the RIAA of tommorow will be like!

:devil

Dude, that bill was just shot down. Here's the link - http://www.curlio.com/new_showarticle.php?id=3663

[crazytrain]

Fuck the RIAA they would have more money if they would stop all the lawsuits.

Record sales are still going strong regardless of P2P.

If they would release something worth buying other than all this hip-hop or boy band crap maybe they would see some resaults.

[aqlo]

RIAA Money ... Drug money ... terror

Oh that's wonderful, thank you very much :) Some dangerous minds in here guys, keep up the good work.

This is the record that Missy bought.
This is cartel that protects the record that Missy bought.
This is the doper that performed the music on the record that Missy bought.
This is the dealer that turned on the doper that performed the music.
This is the family that was raped and murdered by the supplier of the dope (pictures can be found easily using Bearshare.)

[Siskabush]

Name 1 american artist that is pretty new, and doesnt use drugs.

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by Siskabush
Name 1 american artist that is pretty new, and doesnt use drugs.

Michelle Branch???
i dunno.......maybe she's the biggest crack-head this side of T.O.?!

[Siskabush]

Okay, bad example

Name how many new rappers are on/were on drugs in the US.

Ummmmm.....All of them?
And those commercials that say "Drug money supports terror".
So, really, its somewhat true.

[Winphuk]

Originally posted by Siskabush
Okay, bad example

Name how many new rappers are on/were on drugs in the US.

Ummmmm.....All of them?
And those commercials that say "Drug money supports terror".
So, really, its somewhat true.

Bullshit right there. They know damn well that the war on drugs isn't winnable, and if they are so concerned that the money is going to terrorism then legalizing will stop the problem completley. I'm sorry that I went off the subject, but I really get angry when I turn on the TV, and I see lies looking at me in the face. I'm finished now.I would like to talk about this sometime in another thread.

[Monyak]

The assholes at the RIAA and MPAA would be out of a job if it wasnt for a nice guy like myself who gives them something to think about! lol

[Paul124897]

the revolution has begun! :devil

[kevoid]

Originally posted by Siskabush
And those commercials that say "Drug money supports terror".
So, really, its somewhat true.

All the more reason to grow your own!

[RJ5500]

Originally posted by kevoid
All the more reason to grow your own!

It looks like this old thread still has some life in it. We finally have the culprit. The mystry of the Phantom Riaa has been solved. It's was old man Mcgee.

lol.

[chaser7016]

The RIAA is totally misguided and is a slowth to evolve to today's times. It is so funny, cause the copyright communities are wasting a bunch of money when the end outcome will be us unintrusively paying for the same activities we are doing now. Solutions to stop the bickering............

1. Pay a small or large flat rate sum on your monthly ISP bill based on the amount of copyrighted material you download. The more you download the more your monthly ISP bill will be

#2. Make up for their lost monies via special taxes added onto all purchases of computers, blank recording mediums, ISP bills, etc...

#3 Have a big corporation such as Verizon get into the content delivery business(other words cable company). But, create a cable company solely based on file sharing.

Well these are some cool ideas I think will materialize as a solution in the future. Cheers, Chaser!

[Theinfamousone]

It might work in theory chaser, but they would take it too far, and besides, they haven't lost a dime, they just have poor vision and marketing techniques, and music as a whole isn't the pizazz that it used to be. People have better things to do then spend $20 on a CD, that's how much a video game costs.

I rarely listen to music anymore, and it's totally free! If anything, they have lost money to the slow economy. If they wanted to pull themselves out of the dump, they could, but they are outdated cigar smoking pudgy greedy losers.

[goweropolis]

Originally posted by chaser7016
The RIAA is totally misguided and is a slowth to evolve to today's times. It is so funny, cause the copyright communities are wasting a bunch of money when the end outcome will be us unintrusively paying for the same activities we are doing now. Solutions to stop the bickering............

1. Pay a small or large flat rate sum on your monthly ISP bill based on the amount of copyrighted material you download. The more you download the more your monthly ISP bill will be

#2. Make up for their lost monies via special taxes added onto all purchases of computers, blank recording mediums, ISP bills, etc...

#3 Have a big corporation such as Verizon get into the content delivery business(other words cable company). But, create a cable company solely based on file sharing.

Well these are some cool ideas I think will materialize as a solution in the future. Cheers, Chaser!
While I agree that you'll probably see ideas like this in the future, I think this creates a major problem of distribution. Where does this money go? The RIAA? How do artists receive their share of the income? These kind of taxes don't support struggling artists, just the corporate whores. I think people should be encouraged to support their favourite artists, but a blanket tax grab is the worst choice.

[Winphuk]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by goweropolis
While I agree that you'll probably see ideas like this in the future, I think this creates a major problem of distribution. Where does this money go? The RIAA? - Yes and the labels

How do artists receive their share of the income? - Touring and playing shows. Most are in debt to the record companies. Millions have to be sold before they even see a dime.

If you want to support your favorite artists, buy tickets to their concerts. Buy only from labels that are not under RIAA membership http://www.riaa.com/About-Members-1.cfmor purchase only from artists who are selling their albums directly.Like out the trunk of their car.

The record industry will go down and those artists who don't jump ship will go down with it.

[NDGAARONDI]

Well the MPAA wants to go against us. But do they know how long it would take to d/l a movie like 700MB on DSL - most ppl it would be like running 24/7 for a few days.

So why are they caring as much as the RIAA? It's like couple of mins in a song, but days for a movie.

You see would the MPAA attack movie lending shops. It would be faster to hire out a DVD, for me this would be a mere £1, and copy onto VCD, then give back the DVD. So this is faster, but costs, but would they attack people like Blockbuster and Genesis? I'd rather convert a DVD to VCD than to d/l a whole movie - saves time and I know what I'm getting for sure.

Don't know why the BPI wants P2P to die. May be they should make quality movies like in America, Japan and Germany. The BPI makes rubbish. And Vivid (I think they're called) said they supported P2P b/c they d/l a clip of the movie and go out to buy it. I've been doing that to stop me buying rubbish since I have DSL now :fire

[Theinfamousone]

Ahh, you gotta love the word, "Rubbish". Frankly, I think the world has bigger fish to fry than music. They are looking to videos, and video games. That's why the MPAA is doing so well, and the RIAA is slowly dying.

[rainbowdemon]

Is the riaa legit? Well, they say that Kazaa is illegal, then they turn right around and use it to distribute thier propaganda! 'nuff said!:cross

[metale]

RIAA MUST DIE!!!!

[deserttrader50]

Originally posted by maartendc
Well, I guess asking money for music is legal, but the hacking into peoples pc's and forcing ISP's to block certain p2p ports isn't... I feel the internet shouldn't have regulations or something like that. It's always been like that. The internet is free. And the internet should be free in another way too. Nowadays you have to pay for more and more services on the net. I do not like this development at all! The internet is becoming less and less free. I mean, you already have to pay your Isp, and then you gotta pay to acces this site, or that database... it's just not right. People should find a way to get the internet free again....

Hmm. "The government should give us everything for free and no one should own anything." Sounds like Communism to me.

[Shiranui]

RIAA is a bunch of motherf*****rs
i just love piracy...and why should we pay?
the industry is rich enough as it is!
i really dont give a f**k about actors dont getting theyre million buck salaries if we dont stop d/l from fileshare programs!!!:hole

[triniti]

The RIAA can KMA, as far as I am concearned.

[isus]

Originally posted by triniti
The RIAA can KMA, as far as I am concearned.

very well put. so can the mpaa.

[deserttrader50]

OK, let me get this straight. It is OK to steal. Or, pirating music or movies is not stealing. Or it is not moral to steal, but it is fun to steal so you are going to do it anyway. Or its OK to steal from a company that makes enough anyway. Or the chance of getting caught is so small that you figure it is OK to pirate, even if it IS stealing.

You little pimple-faced sh1ts make me want to puke. You can rationalize all you want, but you are nothing more than shop-lifters and purse snatchers. Like it or not, piracy is stealing. If I think Ford makes plenty of money anyway, that doesn't give me the right to go into a dealership and steal a car -- even if the chance of getting caught is pretty small.

Anyway, piracy hurts more than big corporations. Composers who live off royalties, support their families, give you tips when you deliver their pizzas, all depend on royalties. Every time you STEAL a song, you take food from the mouths of their families. Most are not rich. Many live hand to mouth. Some may be your parents.

But you little bed wetters wouldn't know what it is like to earn a living, or support a family, or, for that matter, do anything intellectual. All you want to do is sponge off others -- have Mommy feed you, and steal your entertainment (and anything else you think you can get away with ). So go back to brea st feeding and admit you are sniveling little criminals with no moral compass. Or are those words too big for you, you morons.

"Waaaa. Waaaa. I wanna steal. I think it's cool. I don't have to pay for stuff I want because I am a stupid leech." Just wait till Mommy and Daddy has to pay for copyright infringement damages -- $50,000 per infringement (PER SONG YOU DOWNLOADED AND RE-UPLOADED) MULTIPLIED BY 3 FOR WILLFULLY DOING IT (that means "on purpose" you bunch of dopes). Oh, and if you are too stoned to remember what MULTIPLIED means, just ask your parol officer.

[Krell]

This is a site where people who believe in trading file discuss the use of applications and computing issues.

Obviously you just signed up to have your say, and, you had it. On that note, I am banning you on principle. I do not have the time to manage flame wars with people who shouldnt be here in the first place. When and if you find an ANTI P2P site, . . . . or maybe your RIAA home page, then you feel free to post all you want. Otherwise, stop wasting my time.

[rainbowdemon]

. Earn a living? Yes, I have been employed all of my adult life. Most ZP members are employed also. Do we do anything intellectual? Yes. I have a college degree. In business administration. So I probably know more about the financial impact of file-sharing than you do. Most of the younger ZP members are college students now. Some are still in high school. The combined intellect amoung the ZP membership is more than your narrow mind can comprehend. Asfor sponging from others, we openly share everything we have. We also help one another with varios problems, computer related and otherwise. In summary we are friends. Something I suspect you have few if any of. By the way I believe lithium is prescribed for manic-depression. Look into it! Now get the fuck out of here and leave us alone.:fingerBut you little bed wetters wouldn't know what it is like to earn a living, or support a family, or, for that matter, do anything intellectual. All you want to do is sponge off others -- have Mommy feed you, and steal your entertainment (and anything else you think you can get away with ). So go back to brea st feeding and admit you are sniveling little criminals with no moral compass. Or are those words too big for you, you morons.

[FileHoover]

Originally posted by deserttrader50
OK, let me get this straight. It is OK to steal. Or, pirating music or movies is not stealing. Or it is not moral to steal, but it is fun to steal so you are going to do it anyway. Or its OK to steal from a company that makes enough anyway. Or the chance of getting caught is so small that you figure it is OK to pirate, even if it IS stealing.

You little pimple-faced sh1ts make me want to puke. You can rationalize all you want, but you are nothing more than shop-lifters and purse snatchers. Like it or not, piracy is stealing. If I think Ford makes plenty of money anyway, that doesn't give me the right to go into a dealership and steal a car -- even if the chance of getting caught is pretty small.

Anyway, piracy hurts more than big corporations. Composers who live off royalties, support their families, give you tips when you deliver their pizzas, all depend on royalties. Every time you STEAL a song, you take food from the mouths of their families. Most are not rich. Many live hand to mouth. Some may be your parents.

But you little bed wetters wouldn't know what it is like to earn a living, or support a family, or, for that matter, do anything intellectual. All you want to do is sponge off others -- have Mommy feed you, and steal your entertainment (and anything else you think you can get away with ). So go back to brea st feeding and admit you are sniveling little criminals with no moral compass. Or are those words too big for you, you morons.

"Waaaa. Waaaa. I wanna steal. I think it's cool. I don't have to pay for stuff I want because I am a stupid leech." Just wait till Mommy and Daddy has to pay for copyright infringement damages -- $50,000 per infringement (PER SONG YOU DOWNLOADED AND RE-UPLOADED) MULTIPLIED BY 3 FOR WILLFULLY DOING IT (that means "on purpose" you bunch of dopes). Oh, and if you are too stoned to remember what MULTIPLIED means, just ask your parol officer.
Why is your first response to ban him? Is your platform so weak you have to kick people off who disagree?

I'm sure horse and buggy whip makers felt the same way when the automobile came along and put them out of business. I work in the intellectual property business (software) and saw this coming 20 years ago and adjusted the way I did my gig. I'm sure they did not feel any pity for the people who made the materials records used to be made from when CDs came out. I'm sure their attitude was, "keep up with the times or lose suckers!". Just like Eminem arrogantly says in his song, "No one listens to techno". Well when "No one listens to Eminem" in a few years we'll see him whining too.

Copyright violation is not stealing. It is copyright violation. The law does not call it burglary, embezzlement, theft, larceny or anything like that. It is different from stealing because it does not deprive the owner of the item (not the copyright owner, the copy owner), of anything. If you had a machine that could make a copy of a real car instantly, would that be stealing? No. It might be copyright infringement on the design of the car though.

I subscribe to TWO DSSs. I have TWO Tivos in my house. I subscribe to Netflix. I go see a movie in the theater almost every week. But these archaic methods of delivering content are not enough to keep up with my demand. I recently went on a binge on James Bond Movies, yet, very few of them were available on DVD at Netflix! Where was I to go to satisfy my urges? The point is, I'm already doing the maximum to support the movie industry financially.

Composers and Artists give up their rights to complain when they turn over their copyrights to the Record Companies, so don't claim to speak for them please. In the future they should have a clause in their contracts to guarantee a certain level of income, or, outright sell their services for a flat rate instead of royalties. Royalties are the bullshit method the "marketing" companies use to shield themselves from any responsibility for the outcome. If the music does well, the record company profits immensely, but if it does not do well, the record company is protected. Even if the reason it does not do well is the fault of the record company, the artist suffers. In this world, most of the time, the money men call the shots and the artists just accept what meager terms they can get. After all, they are going to be famous and should be able to parlay that into some kind of decent living. I'm sure Madonna can get 10 million for doing a sneaker commercial if she runs short on bread.

In the old days, the publisher performed a valuable service, he created the media upon which the intellectual property was delivered. That's over! Anyone can make a million copies and deliver them to the entire internet speaking world in a day or two. Artists do not need publishers anymore. The physical medium is virtually gone.

All these things are not my imagination. It is what is really happening in the real world. Just because I'm telling you what I see does not mean I, or any other small group of people is the cause of all this. It is a techological evolution that is independently affecting people around the world.

[Siskabush]

okay, got a question for Desert trader

Have you ever heard of Etienne Picard? Jones and Stephenson? DJ Dawn? DJ Rush?

No, I didnt think so.

You cant find that stuff in stores, hell, you can barely find it online.

That is why i use P2P, to get obscure music from european artists.

[Patryck]

Since when was downloading music called pirating?
first of all, my dad was a pirate, and it's true. back in the 80's he had a duplex tape recorder and recorded music tapes to blank ones and made a big collection of them. Then came the CDs, and in the 1990s he baught over 300 of them. alot of money I can say.
But then came the CD-Writers before the late 90's, and he began to copy music CDs to blank music CDs. Wherever he is now, good ridance, we haven't talked in 3 years.

Thats a pirate there.
A Pirate isn't someone who downloads music.
A Pirate is someone who rips from CDs.
A Pirate isn't someone who Shares music online.
A Pirate is someone who rips music from CDs.

And as for stealing, your not stealing directly from a store, so it isn't stealing.
Someone who paid for the CD decided to PIRATE, and share the music.
Now because the music is shared, the person who downloads it is not stealing, because it's being given to him from the Pirate. and that is sharing. NOT STEALING. You didn't beat him for it, which would of been theft. You didn't take it without his knowledge and without permission, which would of been Stealing.

As for the Politicians and Major Corporations who deal with music and the media, "DO you know where your CHILd is?"
And then again, they do it too.

Legal or Not, aslone as the Legal System does not abide by the Federal and Public Laws, then why should we in the first place?

Is the Law only to protect the people on top?

I would say I rest my case, but I got alot more than the above, though I'd be here all day. :|

It's about time that everyone who sees this begin to Boyycot any CD that has the RIAA label.
It's WAR.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

The Riaa is nothing but a corput bunch of SOB'S They only have their personal interests at stake, not the artists. So I say,
Screw the RIAA. The P2P filesharing community worldwide is
a hell of lot bigger than they are, with a lot of clout. Let's Kick Some Ass(their's)

[Brycen257]

Triniti expressed my views on the RIAA perfectly .

" The RIAA can KMA, as far as i am concerned"

I think everyone is sick of the lies, deceit and hypocrisy that constantly come fromn the mouths of the RIAA stooges and lackeys .After years of collusion , price -fixing and using every illegal tactic available to them to ensure their continued dominance of the music industry, these are the last people on earth to be lecturing others about morality . Its like Hitler or Saddam Hussein telling us that we should love our brothers and live in peace with them. Don't believe anything they say for a second .

[Krell]

Tell it to congress people, put your money where your mouth is.


Untill someone can lobby like the special interst groups, not much is going to happen.


.

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by deserttrader50
If I think Ford makes plenty of money anyway, that doesn't give me the right to go into a dealership and steal a car -- even if the chance of getting caught is pretty small.



u r obviously a composer or musician. maybe even famous, (u sound an awful lot like Lars...lol) who knows and who cares at this point.
u have obviously not read all of the posts and threads on this board to know that if u did do what u describe above, then u r indeed stealing.
but to say that p2p is stealing, well u r wrong.
i do believe the original still resides somewhere amongst the many other originals that whoever owns them, still has.

even though there r millions of people on any one file-sharing app, doesn't mean that a cd i bought with my hard earned money is being shared with every single one of those millions, 1 or 2 peeps may actually get a finished song from me, i am a 56k. and in my books they r friends and i am, by law, allowed to fairly share my cd with whomever i choose.
and to me, that is within reason.
i feel no guilt whatsoever.
i still go to concerts. and buy a t-shirt. i may not own the cd, but maybe i owned the LP.
and like many others have said, if i really wanted, even without p2p, i could ask my friend to lend my hers/his cd and copy it with other songs to make a mix.
that's what most of us did and would do if p2p wasn't here.
it's just more public.
the "numbers" r visible.
and how do u know that i would have purchased the song i downloaded?
u don't. it's just convenient. and most artist r lucky to have so many peeps actually hearing their music, who may never have in the first place, hence maybe obtaining a new fan who would attend a concert and buy a t-shirt.....where the real money is made.
so maybe take a pill and chill or something.
;)

[NDGAARONDI]

You know, Lamourlady, I get fed up with all this legal stuff saying we're stealing. May be I should give them some authorative materal on intellectual property and other "computer law" issues. Although most of these complainants I should imagine come from USA - so I'll give them what the law says in England - bet they might not like it :shy

Glad you wrote all you did n not me ;)

Oh BTW I doubt he's a musician.............doesn't sound like a *musician*

[Krell]

Exactly ! He was a poser

btw . . . have you examined the study by Kristinice yet?

[FileHoover]

Originally posted by Krell
Tell it to congress people, put your money where your mouth is.


Untill someone can lobby like the special interst groups, not much is going to happen.


.
I think everything will just stay in a sort of limbo for a long time. RIAA wil be unable to make real dent in the p2p situation but the laws will continue as they are.

The Intellectual Property owners are a huge part of business and they are not going to give up until they've exhausted all the means at their disposal, including using as much force as they can convince law makers to use, right up to the death penalty. If they can put a guy in jail for life for carrying around some white powder, I cannot predict how wild the anti-piracy laws will get.

[Krell]

until they've exhausted all the means at their disposal

Everything can be bought and negotiated for the right price, that's why we have lobbyists.

Throw enough money, advertising and brain washing at it, and suddenly its Homeland Security.


The point was, dont rave about it here, I've heard rave till im sick of it, call your congressman, or senator, etc. Instead people want to be armchair quarterbacks preachin to the choir.

[NDGAARONDI]

ummmmmm Kristinice? Believe Krell posted about this.

[FileHoover]

My point is, I don't even think that will change it.

Despite some peoples fantasies, popular movements get squashed most the time by money and power, and, there is no way p2pers are every going to come up with the kind of money and power it takes to really do battle on this issue.

It'll be like every other fun thing that came along, and the Man didn't like it and stomped it out of existence.

"You are having too much fun. We don't like that. BAM".

Maybe I am being too pessimistic.

[FutureIverson]

If the RIAA wants fair compensation they should raise the prices of blank cd's. That should generate enough money for them to fill their "losses" from piracy. Maybe 5 or 10 dollars more for blanks. I know that seems like a lot but i think it's a way that although needs a lot of things to fall in place, it can work out for everyone.