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COLORADO SPRINGS - Someone has put a lot of thought into a welcome sign that may surprise you, it's in front of a homeless camp and if you drive up the Cimarron Street on ramp to I-25 - you won't miss it.

To some homeless the sign's message says enough.

Mark Limonez, a homeless man living in "tent city", says the sign doesn't make him feel good about trying to get back on his feet.


"Guys are trying to work but there's not enough work out there, so they go pan handling or flag a sign"

Limonez says, "I've never seen so many camps since I've been out in the streets - there's no money."

http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11660020

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Joblessness is generally what happens during a recession. Remind me who was in power for the 8 years prior to the economic troubles? You know, the person that left the mess to clean up in the first place. Do you really think the U.S. economy would of been any better under republican rule? Your economy is shit, hell the Canadian dollar is almost on parity. But blame whoever you want, if you elect the right person Canada may just get to buy your ass.

[don webb]

Joblessness is generally what happens during a recession. Remind me who was in power for the 8 years prior to the economic troubles? You know, the person that left the mess to clean up in the first place. Do you really think the U.S. economy would of been any better under republican rule? Your economy is shit, hell the Canadian dollar is almost on parity. But blame whoever you want, if you elect the right person Canada may just get to buy your ass.



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Real Name: Dudley Do-Right
Sex: Male - ?
Occupation: Canadian Mountie
Home: O' Canada
Education: Are you kidding?


Biography: Dudley Do-Right, a member of the Royal Canadian Mounties shaped his career around keeping an entire country safe from evil men with sawmills. Despite falling down waterfalls, being kidnapped, and riding his horse backwards he has never stopped from attempting to save the day (even though a vote 10 to 8 said it should). In addition, Dudley Do-Right's job security seems to be as stable as George Jetson's, considering he's been fired at least 250 times and counting. At the end of the day Dudley can sleep knowing he's done his best, even if that means tying himself to a log and floating up the river.


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Real Name: Dudley Do-Right
Sex: Male - ?
Occupation: Canadian Mountie
Home: O' Canada
Education: Are you kidding?


Biography: Dudley Do-Right, a member of the Royal Canadian Mounties shaped his career around keeping an entire country safe from evil men with sawmills. Despite falling down waterfalls, being kidnapped, and riding his horse backwards he has never stopped from attempting to save the day (even though a vote 10 to 8 said it should). In addition, Dudley Do-Right's job security seems to be as stable as George Jetson's, considering he's been fired at least 250 times and counting. At the end of the day Dudley can sleep knowing he's done his best, even if that means tying himself to a log and floating up the river.


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So from the lack of a counter argument I guess you agree.

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Joblessness is generally what happens during a recession. Remind me who was in power for the 8 years prior to the economic troubles? You know, the person that left the mess to clean up in the first place. Do you really think the U.S. economy would of been any better under republican rule? Your economy is shit, hell the Canadian dollar is almost on parity. But blame whoever you want, if you elect the right person Canada may just get to buy your ass.

What's funny, is during the Bush administration American media ignored the growing tent cities.

Somehow, that liberally biased "lamestream" media (as Don likes to refer to it), as well as Faux News were NOT reporting on the crumbling economy earlier on.

It wasn't until the long campaign began that we finally started seeing what BBC in the UK had been reporting for over a year.

[don webb]

So from the lack of a counter argument I guess you agree.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the housing crisis is what led to the collapse of the economy and Democrat political pressure led to the erosion of responsible lending practices, which led to its collapse and made this mess.

Without this mess they created there would be no recession or joblessness to worry about.

It started with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when they began to come under considerable political pressure by Democrats to lower their underwriting standards way back in the 1990’s.

Democrat-sponsored efforts offering and subsidizing high-risk loans in efforts by them and the Clinton administration to increase homeownership particularly among minorities and low-income households led to borrowers abilities to repay loans pretty much being thrown out the window.

Democrats were the leading figures blocking all the earlier attempts by President Bush – and other Republicans – to bring them under greater regulatory control citing this exact possiblity.

The rest is going down in History!

So in answer to your question YES, I do think it would make a difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

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[mountain_rage]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the housing crisis is what led to the collapse of the economy and Democrat political pressure led to the erosion of responsible lending practices, which led to its collapse and made this mess.

Without this mess they created there would be no recession or joblessness to worry about.

It started with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when they began to come under considerable political pressure by Democrats to lower their underwriting standards way back in the 1990’s.

Democrat-sponsored efforts offering and subsidizing high-risk loans in efforts by them and the Clinton administration to increase home ownership particularly among minorities and low-income households led to borrowers abilities to repay loans pretty much being thrown out the window.

Democrats were the leading figures blocking all the earlier attempts by President Bush – and other Republicans – to bring them under greater regulatory control citing this exact possiblity.

The rest is going down in History!

So in answer to your question YES, I do think it would make a difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

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So in the timeline you give, how many times did the Republicans have a majority? Do they just not have the balls to stand by their ideals? If the democrats passed what they called bad policy, why would they not overturn, or fix what they consider a problem? In fact correct me if I'm wrong, but when that video was produced, the Republican party had a majority, and could have done whatever they want to pass laws to change the systems, they did not need democratic support.

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Yes the republicans had a majority, but not a filibuster proof majority. If the republicans submitted anything to get mac and mae to have more over site, the dems could easily just filibuster. Yes, they needed at least 5-15 dems to support if they didn't what a filibuster during the 8 years they had the majority.

On the other hand, the current situation of the legislative branch consists of filibuster proof majority of dems, meaning they can push any damn thing they want...and they pretty much have.

[don webb]

Yes the republicans had a majority, but not a filibuster proof majority. If the republicans submitted anything to get mac and mae to have more over site, the dems could easily just filibuster. Yes, they needed at least 5-15 dems to support if they didn't what a filibuster during the 8 years they had the majority.

On the other hand, the current situation of the legislative branch consists of filibuster proof majority of dems, meaning they can push any damn thing they want...and they pretty much have.


Mind if I elaborate a bit?




So in the timeline you give, how many times did the Republicans have a majority? Do they just not have the balls to stand by their ideals? If the democrats passed what they called bad policy, why would they not overturn, or fix what they consider a problem? In fact correct me if I'm wrong, but when that video was produced, the Republican party had a majority, and could have done whatever they want to pass laws to change the systems, they did not need democratic support.


Again, you reinforce my view on the inability of the liberal mind. But hey, I kinda enjoy correcting you so please continue!


I do know you were around about a year ago when this was all discussed, have you forgotten so soon? Maybe it’s all that Hope n Change Kool-Aid or maybe those Blue Pills?

I’ll take time once again on this though. Not for your benefit, Im sure you understand it quite well, just to reinforce my previous post.

I don’t think your stupid just a Lefty Liberal.


I guess you just forgot about the investigations by Regulators at the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight?

These investigations, this “non existent” set of Ideals you speak of unfortunately take time, regardless if you have a set or not, or how big they are!

It was in 2003, Republicans took control of the Senate.

On July 31, 2003, Republicans allready knowing of the fiasco going on within Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac started some hearings. After these hearings Fannie and Freddie were taken to the carpet for “Improper Accounting Practices,” they had “Cooked the Books” remember?

You haven’t forgotten those “Golden Parachutes” have you? I didn’t think so.

The bigger problem though was the Trillion$ in toxic debt they had and were acquiring!

“They worried that the entire financial system of the future was at substantial risk!

So, the Senate Banking Committee under Republican control introduced and passed a reform bill that would regulate Fannie and Freddie, (S. 1508). This bill passed with Democrats opposing it.

But, without a single Democrat vote, the bill was doomed if brought to the floor for the critical 60-vote cloture. Only 41 Democrat votes would doom it and they had 48 so the bill died.

“Again they worried that the entire financial system of the future was at substantial risk!

So again in May 2006 before the bill would die altogether it was introduced again. The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, (S. 190) It passed out of the Committee on a party-line vote of 11 – 9 on July 28, 2005.

Every Repoublican voted for it, every Democrat voted against it.

But again, without a single Democrat vote, the bill was doomed if brought to the floor.

“Once again they worried that the entire financial system of the future was at substantial risk!

So one more time, On April 12, 2007, Republicans re-introduced the bill, (S. 1100,) it passed the Senate on July 26, 2008 and was signed into law on July 30, 2008.

But it was too late, the damage was done.

Now did you count the number of times the Republicans tried to do something about this? I only went back to 2003, but the Democrat Feed Bag has been on way before that.

Do Peanuts or Welcome back Carter bring any memories to mind?

Nothing here, move along.........:)

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[mountain_rage]

Mind if I elaborate a bit?






Again, you reinforce my view on the inability of the liberal mind. But hey, I kinda enjoy correcting you so please continue!


I do know you were around about a year ago when this was all discussed, have you forgotten so soon? Maybe it’s all that Hope n Change Kool-Aid or maybe those Blue Pills?

I’ll take time once again on this though. Not for your benefit, Im sure you understand it quite well, just to reinforce my previous post.

I don’t think your stupid just a Lefty Liberal.


I guess you just forgot about the investigations by Regulators at the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight?

These investigations, this “non existent” set of Ideals you speak of unfortunately take time, regardless if you have a set or not, or how big they are!

It was in 2003, Republicans took control of the Senate.

On July 31, 2003, Republicans allready knowing of the fiasco going on within Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac started some hearings. After these hearings Fannie and Freddie were taken to the carpet for “Improper Accounting Practices,” they had “Cooked the Books” remember?

You haven’t forgotten those “Golden Parachutes” have you? I didn’t think so.

The bigger problem though was the Trillion$ in toxic debt they had and were acquiring!

“They worried that the entire financial system of the future was at substantial risk!

So, the Senate Banking Committee under Republican control introduced and passed a reform bill that would regulate Fannie and Freddie, (S. 1508). This bill passed with Democrats opposing it.

But, without a single Democrat vote, the bill was doomed if brought to the floor for the critical 60-vote cloture. Only 41 Democrat votes would doom it and they had 48 so the bill died.

“Again they worried that the entire financial system of the future was at substantial risk!

So again in May 2006 before the bill would die altogether it was introduced again. The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, (S. 190) It passed out of the Committee on a party-line vote of 11 – 9 on July 28, 2005.

Every Repoublican voted for it, every Democrat voted against it.

But again, without a single Democrat vote, the bill was doomed if brought to the floor.

“Once again they worried that the entire financial system of the future was at substantial risk!

So one more time, On April 12, 2007, Republicans re-introduced the bill, (S. 1100,) it passed the Senate on July 26, 2008 and was signed into law on July 30, 2008.

But it was too late, the damage was done.

Now did you count the number of times the Republicans tried to do something about this? I only went back to 2003, but the Democrat Feed Bag has been on way before that.

Do Peanuts or Welcome back Carter bring any memories to mind?

Nothing here, move along.........:)

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Well you did correct me, apparently I was wrong about the republicans being able to change the legislation. Albeit, the Fannie may fiasco was only a small part of the entire collapse, much of it had more to do with bad business than any government intervention. The banks wanted to make bad loans and they did, they paid the price for their greed in the end. Maybe now we will have more government regulation, although i highly doubt it.

Either way, it didn't affect me at all, my province, run by socialist came out on top with growth even during the recession. The government passed a law a while back that requires it to keep a balanced budget. So the debt was low, people in my province have less debt and they live with a larger safety net. The people of the province tend to borrow less than the rest of U.S. and Canadians. This has kept housing prices more stable, and below what they are worth. It was funny because before the recession other areas kept saying my province needed to change its practices to be more competitive, now they are all looking at our model to move forward.