Where's the beef?

[alanshemper]

I just tried shareaza 1.7, and I was amazed when I got 900 results in under 30 seconds when searching audio for "pink floyd"...

So i select 50 files (sorted by best bandwidh), and I waited...
and waited..
and waited...

and after 3 hours.. I got half of the song "comfortably numb"

great interface tho... but I want more than to see the files.. I also want to download them too.

not impressed. just cant compare with kazaa lite

[Karizmatik]

Originally posted by alanshemper
I just tried shareaza 1.7, and I was amazed when I got 900 results in under 30 seconds when searching audio for "pink floyd"...

So i select 50 files (sorted by best bandwidh), and I waited...
and waited..
and waited...

and after 3 hours.. I got half of the song "comfortably numb"

great interface tho... but I want more than to see the files.. I also want to download them too.

not impressed. just cant compare with kazaa lite

IMO not 2 many P2P'z can compare 2 Kazaa Lite. I still use Overnet every once in a while but it can be VERY SLOW sumtimes. Anywayz, welcome 2 ZP yo.

[PhilT]

Each to his own, I'm happy with it..
Phil.

[Munchables]

That has pritty much been what I see of G2. it will get better when it goes open sorce and limwire ect. fuck with it. But it still will be gnutella.

K++ all the way

[alanshemper]

What determines the rankings in the top 5 apps on zeropaid? Why is this one #1, and klite #7?

and whats up with the title / artist / album search in shareaza?
it justs searches the file name, you might as well put it all in the one field

[Sephiroth]

Members vote on it.. I wouldnt take it seriously. Its been a common practice of morons to just vote one program all 5s and all the rest all 1s. or someone registering 20 names and doing that and etc..

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by alanshemper
I just tried shareaza 1.7, and I was amazed when I got 900 results in under 30 seconds when searching audio for "pink floyd"...

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I'm not sure I get your point.

You shouldn't judge a P2P app by the quantity of results on general queries, such as artists names. Instead, search for something rare. For example "Pink Floyd Wish you Were Here Live" or something.

Shareaza searches the entire G2 Network, however, if you search for something General, and Hubs have other queries to route etc. it will stop your general query if a sufficent amount of hits have already been sent to you. So it isn't guaranteed that you'll get every hit on the network for something as general as "Pink Floyd".

Kazaa also shields it's Supernodes from general queries by only sending a portion of results, I think like 300 hits or something.

Regarding amount of files and users, Kazaa is better. But quality of P2P software, network technology, and everything else, Shareaza is obviously superior.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Anenga2

Regarding amount of files and users, Kazaa is better. But quality of P2P software, network technology, and everything else, Shareaza is obviously superior.

No its not.. Fasttrack has been one of the most popular networks for a few years and have a mature protocol and has multi-vendor support plus commerical support..

Shareaza is all new, its buggy, problems could arise that could break compatibility, and the whole thing has sent shareaza's relation to other gnutella vendors to shit which before all this Shareaza and Mike were pretty well respected.

Marketing and shock value wears off.. Saying that its great isnt going to work forever if there is no way to back it up all the claims that shareaza is making..

The shareaza betas also search gnutella which is where most of the results people see come from.

[chipperrox]

ditto to what sephiroth said. and even tho shareza has the POTENTial to be superior to fastracKAZAA, it isnt- for the time being, and probably until Kazaa is unplugged (if it ever is)

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
No its not.. Fasttrack has been one of the most popular networks for a few years and have a mature protocol and has multi-vendor support plus commerical support..
What's popular is not always right, or in this case higher quality.

FastTrack may have a sufficent network protocol, but it's not global. At least, not when I tested it with other people. We were unable to find eachother. FastTrack feels very fragmented, and Kazaa (the client) is not up to par with other contemporary clients. Shareaza is obviously superior.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Shareaza is all new, its buggy, problems could arise that could break compatibility, and the whole thing has sent shareaza's relation to other gnutella vendors to shit which before all this Shareaza and Mike were pretty well respected.
"Buggy"? "Could arise"? Well, I don't see any legitimate points from you concerning why Shareaza is not superior to Kazaa, or rather to any other P2P client. Only that you have little faith in it's success. Whether or not other Gnutella developers like Mike/Shareaza has no bearing on it's position in the P2P market.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Marketing and shock value wears off.. Saying that its great isnt going to work forever if there is no way to back it up all the claims that shareaza is making..
The evidence is in the client itself. Provide some logical legitimate points of why the client Shareaza is not up to par before you put it down.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
The shareaza betas also search gnutella which is where most of the results people see come from.
I beg to differ. Most of the files I obtain are mostly from G2 nodes, which are rare files. Besides, I already said Shareaza doesn't win in the most files/users. That isn't what makes a good P2P client/Network anyways.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by chipperrox
ditto to what sephiroth said. and even tho shareza has the POTENTial to be superior to fastracKAZAA, it isnt- for the time being, and probably until Kazaa is unplugged (if it ever is)
Fair point. Could you tell me why it's not superior? Without involving quantity of users or files.

[mojo-ris-in]

:devil I don't usually get involved in these type of conversations because people will always say their favorite is better than sliced bread but let's face facts here. I could care less if a p2p app is G2 or Fastrack or whatever as long as it helps me accomplish my goal of downloading. Regardless of however many show up in a search, if I can't download them then the app is of no use to me. This is where my feelings lie on Shareaza. Until I can get the downloads I want when I want them, I will stick to Fastrack. This is not to say that the potential is not there, it's just not there now.

[NightsMaster]

Up to certain point I was downloading every new incarnation of Shareaza 1.7 (I think .16 was the last). I will say it is the best looking program of all the p2p apps I have seen. But like Mojo-ris-in said, if you can't download from a program it's not serving it's purpose. Yes, I got some stuff from the program, but most files would not hit. I have to think about my upload bandwidth.
On a good day I have about 34 KB/s on upload bandwidth. I can't spread that out too thin between Kazaa ++ and another app, espesially if that other app does'nt work well for downloads. It's too bad because Shareaza does have potential.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by mojo-ris-in
:devil I don't usually get involved in these type of conversations because people will always say their favorite is better than sliced bread but let's face facts here. I could care less if a p2p app is G2 or Fastrack or whatever as long as it helps me accomplish my goal of downloading. Regardless of however many show up in a search, if I can't download them then the app is of no use to me. This is where my feelings lie on Shareaza. Until I can get the downloads I want when I want them, I will stick to Fastrack. This is not to say that the potential is not there, it's just not there now.
Yes, as I said, Shareaza cannot compete with FastTrack/Kazaa in terms of quantity of users or files. That's obvious.

However, your also saying that the GUI/quality of network/quality of the software has no bearing why you use it. Only that you can get the file you want as fast as possible. Shareaza/Gnutella2 is setup so that can happen (and it does), but what is Shareaza to do if users don't use it? From what you say, there should not be more than one P2P client out there. There should only be one, or rather there only can be one. Because if the users aren't there, the files aren't there, and ultimately the client is not there. Doesn't matter how good it is, if it doesn't have as much users, then nobody will use it. And that's quite dissapointing to hear.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by NightsMaster
Up to certain point I was downloading every new incarnation of Shareaza 1.7 (I think .16 was the last). I will say it is the best looking program of all the p2p apps I have seen. But like Mojo-ris-in said, if you can't download from a program it's not serving it's purpose. Yes, I got some stuff from the program, but most files would not hit. I have to think about my upload bandwidth.
On a good day I have about 34 KB/s on upload bandwidth. I can't spread that out too thin between Kazaa ++ and another app, espesially if that other app does'nt work well for downloads. It's too bad because Shareaza does have potential.
You can't expect too much from Shareaza. If your coming to Shareaza expecting to get files you have trouble getting on Kazaa or DirectConnect, you will obviously be dissapointed. Shareaza does have some good rare content (there are people who download from Sharereactor and share on Shareaza, and then there's that whole Uberstandard Full Albums group who releases full high quality albums on Shareaza), but lets face it (indeed)... your not going to get better results in terms of files in Shareaza. The same goes to BearShare (and every other Gnutella1 client), Ares, Piolet/Blubster and so on. They cannot compare to Kazaa in terms of users/files. And it is foolish to even judge them based on that factor (which is what nearly every ZeroPaid user does, unfortunately).

If you think about it, the only thing another P2P Developer can do is to make a better client than the the existing popular ones, then hope that users come and use it because it has better/more features etc. Or hope that they get shut down (like Napster, Morpheus, Audiogalaxy etc.) so that they can nab their user base. There are a lot of P2P apps that are probably more suited to users needs than Kazaa. Nothing major has happened in Kazaa in a long time. It works fine to get files, it could be better... yes, but why? There is no incentive for improvement.

Anyways, what I would recommend to you (and to everyone else) is choose the best P2P client (not based on users/files, but on software quality) and use that client. If there is a file you cannot find on it, then use other clients to get the file and move it over to your main client. This allows more files to get onto the client and network you like and your still able to get the files you want.

[mojo-ris-in]

:devil Oh I realise that as far as numbers go Kazaa has many more users therefore many more files shared and one day Shareaza may get those kind of numbers but until it gets better, I won't use it. That may sound like I'm not giving the network a chance but so be it. I don't believe that any one P2P is the best as all have their upside and downside but IMHO the downside for Shareaza outweigh the upside at this point in time. Now that may change one day which would be good for everyone but until it does, I'll use other programs. I'm not knocking Shareaza, it just doesn't get the files that I want at this time and, therefore, is useless to me.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by mojo-ris-in
:devil Oh I realise that as far as numbers go Kazaa has many more users therefore many more files shared and one day Shareaza may get those kind of numbers but until it gets better, I won't use it. That may sound like I'm not giving the network a chance but so be it. I don't believe that any one P2P is the best as all have their upside and downside but IMHO the downside for Shareaza outweigh the upside at this point in time. Now that may change one day which would be good for everyone but until it does, I'll use other programs. I'm not knocking Shareaza, it just doesn't get the files that I want at this time and, therefore, is useless to me.

Again:

Anyways, what I would recommend to you (and to everyone else) is choose the best P2P client (not based on users/files, but on software quality) and use that client. If there is a file you cannot find on it, then use other clients to get the file and move it over to your main client. This allows more files to get onto the client and network you like and your still able to get the files you want.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Anenga2
What's popular is not always right, or in this case higher quality.

FastTrack may have a sufficent network protocol, but it's not global. At least, not when I tested it with other people. We were unable to find eachother. FastTrack feels very fragmented, and Kazaa (the client) is not up to par with other contemporary clients. Shareaza is obviously superior.


"Buggy"? "Could arise"? Well, I don't see any legitimate points from you concerning why Shareaza is not superior to Kazaa, or rather to any other P2P client. Only that you have little faith in it's success. Whether or not other Gnutella developers like Mike/Shareaza has no bearing on it's position in the P2P market.


The evidence is in the client itself. Provide some logical legitimate points of why the client Shareaza is not up to par before you put it down.


I beg to differ. Most of the files I obtain are mostly from G2 nodes, which are rare files. Besides, I already said Shareaza doesn't win in the most files/users. That isn't what makes a good P2P client/Network anyways.

Could shareaza have global searches with a 4 million user network? No its very unlikely.. You have said it and mike has said that it is only guarenteed up to 500 thousand.. Which in your last post it seems your saying that the all powerful and wonderful "G2" cant give any better results than Bearshare(a Gnutella servent) or blubster or other networks.

In file sharing the quality of the program is measured mainly in files/users.. The users ultimately determine what is quality.. If shareaza and "g2" was really as high quality as you say then there would be no reason for it to connect to the "dark age" gnutella network.

Its all new and uses a brand spanking, propierty, protocol.. Before you continue to try to say its so great and that there are no problems then explain to me why its still in beta then?

I allready provided some evidence that is that it doesnt have multivendor support, as for others, look around people cant get connected, shareaza uses too much resources in "hub" mode, and it hasnt done much with large file transfers and people cant search whats not there.

Which is why your here trying to use the "program quality" arguement and trying to say that music ripped a certain way and sharereactor files are rare which they arent to "sell" the program and get more people to use it because its oviously not attraching enough content..

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Could shareaza have global searches with a 4 million user network? No its very unlikely.. You have said it and mike has said that it is only guarenteed up to 500 thousand.. Which in your last post it seems your saying that the all powerful and wonderful "G2" cant give any better results than Bearshare(a Gnutella servent) or blubster or other networks.
Totally false. I don't remember saying that. I said that Mike has told me that it would not matter the networks's size. It would take a bit longer (in terms of seconds) for a global search to take place, but it would still be very possible. It works because Hubs cluster together based on the network size, so instead of a query going through a cluster of 3 hubs where the size is around 100k, it could go through a cluster of 100 hubs. That way, the query goes through less hubs and thus goes throughout the entire network successfully.

In file sharing the quality of the program is measured mainly in files/users.. The users ultimately determine what is quality.. If shareaza and "g2" was really as high quality as you say then there would be no reason for it to connect to the "dark age" gnutella network.
Well, Shareaza could work a little better without G2 (less of a burden on Hubs having to route G1 queries), but G1 still has a moderate amount of files. And there is no reason to drop it. Shareaza uploads/serves to G1 nodes, so I don't see a problem.

Its all new and uses a brand spanking, propierty, protocol.. Before you continue to try to say its so great and that there are no problems then explain to me why its still in beta then?
Kazaa uses a prop. protocol. What does it matter? It's still in beta because there is a problem in a hashing algorithm that has to be fixed, and it has been now fixed, (that's all I can really say about that) so it can be released as Final now, and will in a few days actually.

I allready provided some evidence that is that it doesnt have multivendor support, as for others, look around people cant get connected, shareaza uses too much resources in "hub" mode, and it hasnt done much with large file transfers and people cant search whats not there.
What? What do you mean multi-vendor support? You mean that other people can't use G2... or? Shareaza works fine with G1 nodes, they upload to them, accept them as leafs etc. Do you have any evidence against that fact? People can't get connected how? I can connect fine, my friends can. I've never seen anything on Shareaza's forums regarding "Can't get connected".

Shareaza does not use "too much" resources in Hub mode. It does use more memory, but less bandwidth than G1 Ultrapeers. Which is an improvement IMO. I've heard no real complaints from anyone concerning that.

Large file transfers work just fine. Hell, majority of my uploads are for files over 400MB. And I've downloaded files that big as well from the network. If anything, SHareaza/G2 is the best network to get large files, because of Partial File Sharing, TTH and what not.

Shareaza has a lot of files, I've never had a problem with finding a file. And if I can't find it on Shareaza, I get it off of Kazaa or other networks and move it onto Shareaza. Basically, Shareaza has as much files as any other G1 client (Limewire etc.) plus G2. So there is no reason to use another G1 client unless you have something against Shareaza in general.

Which is why your here trying to use the "program quality" arguement and trying to say that music ripped a certain way and sharereactor files are rare which they arent to "sell" the program and get more people to use it because its oviously not attraching enough content..
I don't understand what you just said (I speak English), perhaps you could re-phrase it? :)

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Anenga2
I don't understand what you just said (I speak English), perhaps you could re-phrase it? :)

Ok ill put it blunty.. You running from forum to forum advertaising shareaza to me just shows that it isnt good enough to get users to use it because people like yourself have to "recruit" users.. Because if the rest of your post was actually true then you would not have to post it..

And there is a lot more than a "moderate" amount of files on gnutella and its still the source of the majority of what people are downloading.

So its going to be released a few days.. When can we expect the specs? Also will Mike be upholding his promise to fully support Guess or any other alternative too?

As for problems i was referring to the problems people stated here in this forum.

i was referring to this post (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&postid=29614#post29614) and even so its still new and unproven because if it just works on paper doesnt mean that it will will work in a real world enviroment.

[WhitePony]

I´ve said this before somewhere on ZP : even though I´m mildly interested in the techical aspects of a how a P2P network functions, what I´m ultimately looking for is successful searches (doesn´t have to be in number of results, but in QUALITY of results), successful downloads, prefereably within a stable and well designed application, with a nice and well layed out GUI. Chat clients and media players...I could care less.
Shareza has it´s nice points, and it´s not so good aspects. I´m not gonna waste time detailing each one, but of course it´s unfair to compare it with Kazaa at the moment...
So, even though I sort of like Shareaza, I have to agree with Sephiroth on his point about the Shareaza fans´ histerical hypeing of this program. Because, let´s face it Anenga and every other Shareaza fanatic haven´t been "promoting" the app, they´ve been screaming to the seven winds that this is the best thing to happen to P2P since the Internet was invented. And all of this would be fine if it were true, but the plain and simple truth is that SHAREAZA DOES NOT LIVE UP TO THE HYPE. It´s got potential but, for God´s sake, I´m not seeing Ares, XS or Piolet fans (also very recent programs) going apeshit defending their damsels in distress...
Oh, and the fact that the latest Shareaza updates have basicly been based on the chat client is lame and disappointing...Mike should work on making downloads work better....

I still hate BearShare, though...

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Ok ill put it blunty.. You running from forum to forum advertaising shareaza to me just shows that it isnt good enough to get users to use it because people like yourself have to "recruit" users.. Because if the rest of your post was actually true then you would not have to post it..
I'm not "Advertising" Shareaza. If I were posting new topics with "USE SHAREAZA!!" then I would understand, but I'm merely correcting your accusations and answering your questions regarding Shareaza and it's network (from what I know). If that is advertising for you, well I don't know what to do.

And there is a lot more than a "moderate" amount of files on gnutella and its still the source of the majority of what people are downloading.
Who knows. We can only speculate. It is my belief, however, that Shareaza users do have a high partisipation in file distribution.

So its going to be released a few days.. When can we expect the specs? Also will Mike be upholding his promise to fully support Guess or any other alternative too?
It is my belief that the specs will be released on an updated Gnutella2.com. I don't know whether or not Mike plans on implamenting GUESS in Shareaza. If Shareaza continues to use Gnutella1 (or whatever you want to call it) when GUESS is being developed and implamented in clients, then I suppose he will follow suit as well. There is a possibility G1 will be dropped from the client altogether, but I really don't know right now.

As for problems i was referring to the problems people stated here in this forum.

i was referring to this post (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&postid=29614#post29614) and even so its still new and unproven because if it just works on paper doesnt mean that it will will work in a real world enviroment.
How do you mean works on paper? The Network and Client are active right now, it proves that it works. Regarding a network of that size, well yes... you'd have to wait until the network grows to that size. You can't really test the G2 network to see if it can withstand that size (20 Million users) unless you have that many users on it. Which is kind of impossible. I get the feeling Mike is confident it can withstand an unlimited amount of users, so that is my belief. However, you can't really say for sure either way. You'd just have to wait and see.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by WhitePony
I´ve said this before somewhere on ZP : even though I´m mildly interested in the techical aspects of a how a P2P network functions ...
<SNIP>

Getting what files you want from the network is important in all clients. If it can't do that, then why bother with it.

However, not being able to get certain files or getting files fast (because there aren't as many sources as you'd want/expect) is not Shareaza's fault. It isn't Mike's fault. The network is able to handle unlimited users, it is global etc. Basically, there is nothing wrong with Shareaza. It lives up to it's hype. However, it can't just magicly give you hundreds of sources for a file which is not even on the network. No matter how many lines of code and new features added to the client, you can't magically get users and files to appear. It's impossible.

What you are doing is judging Shareaza (the client, it's features, it's GUI etc.) based on how well you get the file you want. That is unfair. If would be fair if it were because Shareaza has a bug in downloading the file, where it crashes or something. But no such bug exist. The only error is that there is not a user who has that file on the network. There is nothing you can do about that.

It's like saying I build an advanced new city with advanced tranportation and what not, but you say the city sucks because there aren't any people there. Is that the city's fault? Is the city not more advanced than any other city just because it doesn't have people living in it? That is blatent ignorance.

Regarding the latest features in Shareaza: There isn't anything you can do to get files to download faster. Mike added features such as Chat and what not because there is no other problems in any other areas. Is there something being missed? Is there something that needs fixing? Please let me know and I'll forward it to Mike. Basically, the client is perfect. The only problem with it is the lack of users. Mike can continue to expand on other areas such as Chat, Library, Media Player etc. because there is nothing to do in other areas.

[sleepischeap]

shareaza is good if you like waiting in queue lines.
but if you like actually downloading files then i think kazaa would be the go.

[WhitePony]

Thanks for an intelligent response, Anenga.

However, you say it´s unfair to judge Shareaza by how well I get a file. Well..maybe that´s true, but I think most people judge P2P apps by that criteria as well...
What I consider unfair is the Kazaa comparisons, since we´re talking about two totally different realities. But still, try to compare how well you get a file with 4 sources on Shareaza and a file with 4 sources on Kazaa, for example...I think everyone will see a difference there, and this is a fair comparison to make.

Besides, the main point of my post was that I find it a bit annoying all these Shareaza-"promoting" posts...
In my opinion, Shareaza is a very well programed piece of software, but there´s no ammount of campaigning you or anyone else can do that will magicly get you a decent ammount of users. And that applies to any P2P program out there at the moment. As long as Kazaa and Fasttrack exist, all other networks will keep struggling to go beyond the point at which they are today. Maybe Piolet can be an exception, since it deals with a different type of file-sharing, based on audio files only.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by WhitePony
Thanks for an intelligent response, Anenga.

However, you say it´s unfair to judge Shareaza by how well I get a file. Well..maybe that´s true, but I think most people judge P2P apps by that criteria as well...
What I consider unfair is the Kazaa comparisons, since we´re talking about two totally different realities. But still, try to compare how well you get a file with 4 sources on Shareaza and a file with 4 sources on Kazaa, for example...I think everyone will see a difference there, and this is a fair comparison to make.

Besides, the main point of my post was that I find it a bit annoying all these Shareaza-"promoting" posts...
In my opinion, Shareaza is a very well programed piece of software, but there´s no ammount of campaigning you or anyone else can do that will magicly get you a decent ammount of users. And that applies to any P2P program out there at the moment. As long as Kazaa and Fasttrack exist, all other networks will keep struggling to go beyond the point at which they are today. Maybe Piolet can be an exception, since it deals with a different type of file-sharing, based on audio files only.
It is of course a reality that the average user judges a network based on if they can get a file, and that ussually relies on the networks size in result of amount of files and users. But it is unfair to call Shareaza a substandard P2P client in the context of my/our discusssion - since I'm presuming you know more about P2P than the average user (since your on a P2P forum).

I find the main reason Shareaza does not have a large enough user base is because nobody knows about it. I went to test Piolet earlier yesterday and someone IM'd me and asked me if I liked Piolet and I said I commonly use Shareaza but was just testing it out. Anyways, I recommended Shareaza and they happen to like it a lot better and use it predominantly now.

The reason Shareaza fans get upset in related discussions is because they know how good it is, and want to see it succeed. And of course they want people to see Shareaza as they do, but most of the time people are too ignorant or too set in their ways to realize it. And I can understand how that can be annoying to some people, such as yourself.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Anenga2
I'm not "Advertising" Shareaza. If I were posting new topics with "USE SHAREAZA!!" then I would understand, but I'm merely correcting your accusations and answering your questions regarding Shareaza and it's network (from what I know). If that is advertising for you, well I don't know what to do.


Who knows. We can only speculate. It is my belief, however, that Shareaza users do have a high partisipation in file distribution.

...continues to use Gnutella1 (or whatever you want to call it)


Almost every post here is about shareaza and how "high quality" it is and how its "superior" to every network because you say so when you or anyone else really dont know if its as great as you say or is just the little man behind the curtain.. I mean you go on numerous p2p forums posting the same thing, and trying to get everyone you can to use it, you even admit in the last post that when you were using a different program and someone messanged you that you gave them your little shareaza pitch..

You can only speculate on "g2" also because you cant measure the files and user partcipation has nothing to do with it because all the users your talking too are most likely long term shareaza members and assuming that everyone new or everyone who doesnt post on the shareaza forums has high partcipation is extreemely stupid.

BTW The name is still Gnutella, just because shareaza is wrongly calling its network gnutella2 and the fanatics like yourself are calling gnutella (gnutella1) to try to make it seem that Gnutella is inferior to Gnutella2 which gnutella2 might have a slight advantage at the moment even that is argueable since its just the equilivent of clustering most of its servents together and using a propierty feature, but probably will not in the future.

[nasrules]

i keep trying shareaza, but every time i get pissed off with the speeds. i think ill stick with k++ and the mule for a bit.

[notbob]

i tried it

i got a linux iso at 68KB/s with a magnet link

i searched for "john prine" and got more results than i had seen in any other p2p

but

the results were useless--a result is not a file. out of the 40 or so files i picked, 6 started, 15 were queued for an entire week and 3 actually downloaded

this was a similar result to the originator of this thread

so all bullshit aside, if you can only get the common stuff, what good is a p2p? given a choice between the world's greatest protocol (which gets horribly inconsistent performance) or an imperfect protocol that finishes my download every time, seriously which would you choose?

(if you said the perfect protocol that doesn't get results you are a fucking liar)

quote and flame away spamboy

[WhitePony]

...notbob summarized perfectly what I was trying to say with my last post...
These are the times when I wish English was my 1st language...

I never said there was anything wrong with most technical or even aesthetic aspects of Shareaza. I just said that, if Shareaza wanted to compete with Kazaa, it should at least eficiently get you files (be it after popular or obscure searches). Now, when me or notbob get an average of 10% of successful downloads, should we still believe the hype?

[evilmegaman]

Am I the only person who can actually complete 90% of my downloads? Cuz I get a lot of downloads finished you just have to dl from a reliable source.. if ya don't then you probably won't be able to download. You have to remember good IP's.

[Tremaine]

g2 is a good protocol but is not finished yet thats why it is still considered a beta, you can bash g2 until the beata's are final finished and mikes implements what ever else he's planning on adding. mike has made gnutella better than it ever has been, and the only reason it still connects to g1 is g1 has a superior user base and more files, and some people still havent learned about g2.

[notbob]

Originally posted by evilmegaman
Am I the only person who can actually complete 90% of my downloads? Cuz I get a lot of downloads finished you just have to dl from a reliable source.. if ya don't then you probably won't be able to download. You have to remember good IP's.

you are also half my age and looking for stuff that is probably a lot more current than what i want

i'm talking about oddball stuff--you can use any p2p to get isos , roms, and current music/movies

i want the old stuff

[evilmegaman]

are you kiddin me I got such a lack of new age music! browse my list I show you in DC and check out all my old stuff. the new stuff is my leeching sister.. who leeches... grr lol but yeh I love oldies...

Edit: woops off topic..

where the beef is depends on the hubs and liking styles... like if ya like oldies... Good luck to finding Mike Bloomfield.. and VERY good luck if ya try dlin it.. but hey.. I got 10 out of my last 11 downloads completed.. 1 is almost done :D:cross

[notbob]

i have tons of bloomfield

you know where i am