Organizing for America Health Care Reform Video “Desecrates US Flag”

[don webb]

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Obama calls Rep. Alan Grayson (D) an Outstanding member of Congress............:fuckyou:

Yep, the same Alan Grayson who calls Republicans Knuckle Dragging Neandrthals that want you to “Die Quickly” and refers to Linda Robertson, a senior advisor to the Federal Reserve as a “Whore.”.............:hail:

That goes right along with the 'Defaced US Flag' video that became a finalist in the DNC contest run by Barack Obama’s campaign the “Health Reform Video Challenge” they’ll use for fundraising.

It features a mural of an America flag splattered with health care graffiti until it’s covered completely by black paint.


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[mountain_rage]

Ya how terrible... He painted on a freaking painting of a flag. People like you are just as deranged as the muslims calling for the death of those involved in the Mohammad cartoon. Anyone who cares about a symbol enough to get offended by an altered version of its appearance is dangerously idealistic in my mind.

[don webb]

Ya how terrible... He painted on a freaking painting of a flag. People like you are just as deranged as the muslims calling for the death of those involved in the Mohammad cartoon. Anyone who cares about a symbol enough to get offended by an altered version of its appearance is dangerously idealistic in my mind.


There may be a few Fruit Loops out there that may be idealistic enough to want to maim or murder over something like this as Muslims would, I’ve never heard of any though.

One would wander though if this type of "lack of respect" is why the liberal’s poll ratings have dropped so drastically?..:confused:

[mountain_rage]

There may be a few Fruit Loops out there that may be idealistic enough to want to maim or murder over something like this as Muslims would, I’ve never heard of any though.

One would wander though if this type of "lack of respect" is why the liberal’s poll ratings have dropped so drastically?..:confused:

The context of the video shows no disrespect to anyone. How is it disrespectful, explain that to me? Unless you have deranged beliefs like this commenter


This is disgraceful. Those who deface the flag do not understand that it is that very flag which protects, their however disgraceful, freedom of expression. Clearly biting the hand that feeds them.

there was no disrespect in the video. The flag isn't anything but a flag. For some reason people have given it the embodiment of the United States, which it is not. By associating a flag with all the achievements of a country, you are demeaning those achievements. Those achievements are the work of individuals, not a flag, why can't Americans figure that out...

[Signa]

I wish so many people didn't feel the attachment to this country as they do. They are so blind to the abomination we have become. Oh hey, there's a new one for you Don: Obamanation. Get it? abomination/Obama-Nation?

[Drew Wilson]

I think I found another person that desecrated the flag:

http://stupidcelebrities.net/wp-content/heidi_montag_4_bikini.jpg

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[Atheist Icon]

The context of the video shows no disrespect to anyone. How is it disrespectful, explain that to me? Unless you have deranged beliefs like this commenter



there was no disrespect in the video. The flag isn't anything but a flag. For some reason people have given it the embodiment of the United States, which it is not. By associating a flag with all the achievements of a country, you are demeaning those achievements. Those achievements are the work of individuals, not a flag, why can't Americans figure that out...


The flag shows what it used to stand for...Peace, Liberty, Democracy...now its a joke, and has been for at least 40 yrs.

"The colors of the pales (the vertical stripes) are those used in the flag of the United States of America; White signifies purity and innocence, Red, hardiness & valor, and Blue, the color of the Chief (the broad band above the stripes) signifies vigilance, perseverance & justice."

And while it might mean nothing to some folks...it means alot to those who have/who are, defending it and it's principles. Its not just a piece of cloth, its a symbol of the free world...before it became a joke, 40 yrs ago.

[mountain_rage]

And while it might mean nothing to some folks...it means alot to those who have/who are, defending it and it's principles. Its not just a piece of cloth, its a symbol of the free world...before it became a joke, 40 yrs ago.

If cloth could actually perform actions that bring about those qualities, I would agree with you, but it doesn't. Its just a flag, with a molecular composition no different then any other. If you are fighting for a flag you are an idiot selling yourself for a piece of cloth. In reality people fight for a free world, not a symbol representing it. If I destroy the flag, I'm not destroying a free world, I am in fact embracing the fact that world is free. Although I guess its only fitting that its become a joke as you mention, so has the image of the United States internationally. You can bitch all you want that the U.S. is great, but that won't convince the world. We have no good world role model for how to move society forward these days, every politician is a shallow gutless worm willing to sell its people for power and money. The presence of a flag won't change that, and praying to it won't benefit you either. Fight for the ideals instead of a flag, and spread that message, it will do far more good that saving a piece of cloth.

[don webb]

The context of the video shows no disrespect to anyone. How is it disrespectful, explain that to me? Unless you have deranged beliefs like this commenter

there was no disrespect in the video. The flag isn't anything but a flag. For some reason people have given it the embodiment of the United States, which it is not. By associating a flag with all the achievements of a country, you are demeaning those achievements. Those achievements are the work of individuals, not a flag, why can't Americans figure that out...



Arguing with Liberals.........:puke:

I suppose it is a matter of opinion as to whether you call it disrespect or not, in my opinion it is.

As the only Free Nation left in the world our flag stands for that Freedom and those “achievements and work of individuals or American Exceptionalism” if you will..........:unitedstates:

Do not expect those who admire it as such to bend just because some ultra liberals do while they try to slide us into socialism, bankruptcy and moral chaos, their policies are based on dogma, hopes, dreams and this “Utopia” not reality....:grouphug:

If you don’t understand that, it would be a waste my time trying to explain it further.

I know it’s Scary to most of you lefties this mob of right wing ideologues. You know, with their national platform to use code words and race baiting to spread fear and mistrust and all.

But, your analysis “deranged beliefs” just as “Teabaggers, Neanderthals, Douchbags, Whores” and and and from this extreme liberal left here, disrespects the rights of others in this country who choose not to take that path, but then again no one ever accused liberals of having any repect for others to begin with?....:31:

IMO, another reason why liberals are in a free fall in the poll ratings, keep it up it does nothing but help our cause..:kiss:

Maybe you’ll like this........:sleeping:

http://stopthewitchhunt.org/StopTheWitchHunt[BW].pdf




I wish so many people didn't feel the attachment to this country as they do. They are so blind to the abomination we have become. Oh hey, there's a new one for you Don: Obamanation. Get it? abomination/Obama-Nation?


Abomination is getting close, Obama-Nation I think not, not yet anyways.

An oppressive, ultra liberal and overreaching government has not and never will be what made or will keep America great.

A sizable majority of Americans (64 percent) say the country would be better off by throwing “most” members of Congress out, a jump of 19 percentage points from two years ago.

Hummm, isn’t that when democrats were put in charge?

Obama’s ratings have taken the steepest downfall in 50 years of history and are barely hovering around 50%

The VP Lunch Box Joe is at 42%, down from 59% last November

Even first lady Michelle Obama's favorability rating has gone down, from 72% in March to 61% now.

The tide is a changing don’t get your “Hope n Change" up too much, you’ll most likely be disappointed....:stooges:



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Here's one for you.........:naughty:

http://atrueobamanation.blogspot.com/2009/10/halloween-2009-cavalcade-of-horror.html

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[mountain_rage]

If you don’t understand that, it would be a waste my time trying to explain it further.

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Don to English translation: I don't actually have an argument that can justify my belief. But pride in the flag is an American tradition, and I'm an American, so I will defend my flag like a good little zombie patriot. No news here, you have never been one to judge a belief critically.

Oh, btw here you go Don, hope this offends you.

https://www.adbusters.org/files/downloads/jpgs/adbusters_corporate_flag.jpg

This is the creation of your good friend, and pastor Glenn Beck.

Oh and another one from your holy figures.
http://www.100monkeystyping.com/wlog/bush-flag.jpg

[don webb]

I certainly want to thank you so very much for your continued support to our cause...........:You_Rock_Emoticon:

I’ve never stated that this offends me or does it. I’ve only stated that I thought it disrespectful.

I’m no bleeding heart lefty liberal that goes crying to his or her nanny state government because someone has a difference of opinion than mine.

I believe everyone has that right. That’s the one main thing that makes us so great here...........:usa2:


Nice try though.

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Keep banging away on that keyboard every bit of Babbling Bullshit helps out..........:banana:

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[Signa]

LOL! Reminds me of the flag in Idiocracy. It was hard to see, but it was branded with several companies as well. They changed the red stripes to red text naming the companies that own the US, and the stars were the stars from a logo which I never identified, but were posted everywhere in the movie.

[Atheist Icon]

If cloth could actually perform actions that bring about those qualities, I would agree with you, but it doesn't.

Its not the flag that performs the actions, its the individuals that are inspired by what the flag represents. If the flag doesn't mean anything, than the individual doesn't care.



Its just a flag, with a molecular composition no different then any other. If you are fighting for a flag you are an idiot selling yourself for a piece of cloth.

Um...no, again it is the idea behind what the flag represents, or used to actually. Freedom of religion, Press, etc. Anyone not for those rights is an idiot.


In reality people fight for a free world, not a symbol representing it.

How do you fight for a free world if there is nothing that embodies it...the french flag does not embody freedom, only cowardice.



If I destroy the flag, I'm not destroying a free world, I am in fact embracing the fact that world is free. Although I guess its only fitting that its become a joke as you mention, so has the image of the United States internationally. You can bitch all you want that the U.S. is great, but that won't convince the world. We have no good world role model for how to move society forward these days, every politician is a shallow gutless worm willing to sell its people for power and money. The presence of a flag won't change that, and praying to it won't benefit you either. Fight for the ideals instead of a flag, and spread that message, it will do far more good that saving a piece of cloth.

The world is not free, while the people in the world are free(we would love to think so), they do not stand up for themselves. The free world that I know of is of the civilized western nations, don't count us in that. We have been enslaved by the very politicians we elected to represent us. Politicians are and always have been greedy and willing to sell themselves and the american people out for their own safety. You bitch about golden parachutes to the CEO's but do not complain of the care that is given to the unscrupulous politicians after they serve a single 4 year term.

America used to be a great role model for the world, one that said hard work and dedication, regardless of your status, would get you far. A place that used to help neighbors, friends, and family. Sadly, the more successful you are, the more you are penalized.

Yes, fight for the ideals, but as humans, we need something to symbolize our fight. Flags have always been a way to symbolize why we fight. The American Flag has always shown to the world that we come to rid them of the Fascism, Communism and Dictators. Unfortunately our politicians ideals are not far from those we fought off 20, 30, 60 years ago.

[mountain_rage]

Its not the flag that performs the actions, its the individuals that are inspired by what the flag represents. If the flag doesn't mean anything, than the individual doesn't care.




Um...no, again it is the idea behind what the flag represents, or used to actually. Freedom of religion, Press, etc. Anyone not for those rights is an idiot.



How do you fight for a free world if there is nothing that embodies it...the french flag does not embody freedom, only cowardice.




The world is not free, while the people in the world are free(we would love to think so), they do not stand up for themselves. The free world that I know of is of the civilized western nations, don't count us in that. We have been enslaved by the very politicians we elected to represent us. Politicians are and always have been greedy and willing to sell themselves and the american people out for their own safety. You bitch about golden parachutes to the CEO's but do not complain of the care that is given to the unscrupulous politicians after they serve a single 4 year term.

America used to be a great role model for the world, one that said hard work and dedication, regardless of your status, would get you far. A place that used to help neighbors, friends, and family. Sadly, the more successful you are, the more you are penalized.

Yes, fight for the ideals, but as humans, we need something to symbolize our fight. Flags have always been a way to symbolize why we fight. The American Flag has always shown to the world that we come to rid them of the Fascism, Communism and Dictators. Unfortunately our politicians ideals are not far from those we fought off 20, 30, 60 years ago.

See the problem is all you have in your assertions are beliefs. You hold onto history as if its gospel, you think the past determines the future. Your baseless hatred of the French shows your ignorance. You are just stuck on hatred formed during the founding of the United States, and perpetuated by people during whatever instance they could generate an audience, as was the case during WW2. The French are no more cowardly than any other human, its just a nationality.

You are also wrong in your view that only the flag, or a symbol can inspire. Ideas inspire all the time, and its the ideas behind the flag that inspire, not the flag. You can burn, tear down, and send the flag to extinction, only ideas are timeless. If you train people to hold onto ideas rather than an object, you can train those people to fight for something worthwhile, rather than a piece of cloth. Its is utterly useless to fight to defend a flag, when that energy can be spent inspiring individuals with your actions. Anyone who fights for the rights of a flag is a buffoon.

[don webb]

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Oh boy, now it's Hate filled Buffons, I'm gonna need more memory if this keeps up much longer.......:notworthy:



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Oh boy, now it's Hate filled Buffons, I'm gonna need more memory if this keeps up much longer.......:notworthy:



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Usually I'm nicer about these things, but flag worship is really the most ridiculous ideology ever conceived. It really serves no purpose but to waste time and energy. It survives only due to social pressures placed on certain individuals for whatever reason. Its a piece of fabric, it represents ideals, but can never be those ideals because it is fabric. To say otherwise is foolish, making them a buffoon. Fighting for a flag will defend a piece of fabric, fighting for ideals will defend the ideals.

There is very little doubt in my mind that the flag is used as a symbol so people up top don't have to state the ideals for which people are fighting. You are fighting for the flag, people make up their own definition of what the flag is, its a co out to having to explicitly state what controversial goal people are actually fighting for. Not everyone will agree to fight for ideals, so you can misplace their loyalty by getting them to fight for a flag. If your life is worth a piece of cloth go fight for a flag, its you free right to do so. But I rather not fight for any countries marketing spin.

[YWD67]

MR, I find it laughable and hypocritical as hell that don would ever think of starting a thread peaching against disrespecting the U.S. flag.

Considering that his avatar is of the U.S. flag upside down he has absolutely no room to speak out against disrespecting the flag..

The flag is only to be displayed upside down in a marintian situation when a ship is distress.
To display it in such a manner in for any other reason is inappropriate, and disrespectful.

[don webb]

Your Opinion.


MR, I find it laughable and hypocritical as hell that don would ever think of starting a thread peaching against disrespecting the U.S. flag.

Considering that his avatar is of the U.S. flag upside down he has absolutely no room to speak out against disrespecting the flag..

The flag is only to be displayed upside down in a marintian situation when a ship is distress.
To display it in such a manner in for any other reason is inappropriate, and disrespectful.


My opinion Gonna make me get long winded huh..? OK

The US is in “Dire” distress, hence my inverted flag sig. I didn’t vote for “Change”.

Flying the flag upside down is a standard military distress signal “not only marintian situation when a ship is distress.” and is supported by the United States Flag Code. (looked it up) Also, flying the flag upside down is not a mark of disrespect, and in fact is considered by many to be the highest form of patriotism.

However, since 9/11 there have been several cases where individuals have been harassed, intimidated and even arrested for inverting the flag, by those who confuse a love of government with a love of country.

The US Flag Code empowers the President of the United States to alter, modify, repeal or prescribe additional rules regarding the Flag but, no federal agency has the authority to issue 'official' rulings legally binding on civilians or civilian groups. (think 1st amendment)

The Code also states that the flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. There is a federal criminal prohibition on the use of the flag for advertising purposes in the District of Columbia, commercial speech does not receive the full protection of the First Amendment.

So, it certainly appears when the DNC runs a contest for Obama’s campaign the “Health Reform Video Challenge” and they accept as one of the contenders a video that features a mural of an America flag being splattered with health care graffiti until it’s covered completely by black paint and uses it for fundraising it’s an entire different story.

Now the DNC being located at 430 South Capitol Street SE, Washington, D.C. 20003, is guilty of “Use of flag for advertising purposes,” and “Mutilation of the flag,” they along with Obama are not civilians and are subject to these regulations, but it makes no difference in D.C. thats the law!

More opinions, you might say? Lets just take a look at what the Flag Code does say?



UNITED STATES CODE TITLE 36 CHAPTER 10 PATRIOTIC CUSTOMS

Section 173: Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; definition The following codification of existing rules and customs pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America is established for the use of such civilians or civilian groups or organizations as may not be required to conform with regulations promulgated by one or more executive departments of the Government of the United States defined according to sections 1 and 2 of title 4 and Executive Order 10834 issued pursuant thereto.


Title 4 United States Code

Section #1: The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars, white in a blue field.

Section #2: On the admission of a new State into the Union one star shall be added to the union of the flag; and such addition shall take effect on the fourth day of July then next succeeding such admission.

So civilians are not required to conform to regulations other than stated above.



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Title 4 United States Code

Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag

Subsection 7(g): Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court.

The words 'flag, standard, colors, or ensign', as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

Subsection (i): The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

Just considering the video as a contender the DNC and Obama show great disrespect for the flag as no US Official should do.


Just more “Hopey n Changy” Bullshit........:hump:


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[Excrement_Cranium]

The US is in “Dire” distress, hence my inverted flag sig. I didn’t vote for “Change”.


So, it's all just a big tantrum?

Thought so.

I didn't vote for a lot of shit, but I live here, and have to deal with it. It's part of the democratic process, dipshit.

[don webb]

So, it's all just a big tantrum?

Thought so.

I didn't vote for a lot of shit, but I live here, and have to deal with it. It's part of the democratic process, dipshit.


Call it what you like, you are as entitled to do so, just as much as I am entitled to have my “tantrum.” But, you skip right over the topic of the thread (Organizing for America Health Care Reform Video “Desecrates US Flag, ) trying to avert attention in another direction won’t change that fact.



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[Excrement_Cranium]

Call it what you like, you are as entitled to do so, just as much as I am entitled to have my “tantrum.” But, you skip right over the topic of the thread (Organizing for America Health Care Reform Video “Desecrates US Flag, ) trying to avert attention in another direction won’t change that fact.



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Says the king of the copy-and-paste segue.

While I may have skipped over the "topic of your thread," the only real argument you are capable of presenting, what I did address is the tone of your post.

The tone was: "Waaaaah, I didn't get my way, so everything that happens during this administration will be morphed into some kind of affront on America and it's values!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"

Yet, when your Messiah, Glenn Beck does it in his televised opinion show, well, that's appropriate. Fitting that it would fall under advertisement, as any moment on his show does - Ratings = viewers = sponsers = profit. He made a profit for himself and Fox by defacing the flag. Hypocrisy much?

Your problem isn't values, it's that it's not your team doing it. When they tell you it's alright, you believe it's alright.