Music Files

[Believer]

I have a new PC with cable modem.
Need to make lots of CDs.
Learning how to crawl right now.
Looking for the best overall music P2P software.
Main interest is burning music CDs.
Just checked out a site that reccommended
Kazaa Diet over Kazaa Lite.
What's the difference?
Seems like Kazaa Lite (K++ 2.0.2) is the latest and greatest.
Want quality music files with decent selection.
Approx. how many minutes per song download
can I expect with cable modem?
I've seen kazaa, winmx, morpheus, bearshare, limewire, etc.
Suggestions greatly appreciated.

Thanks phalkon30 and Undermind for your help.

[overdo]

IMHO k++2.02 is the best FastTrack client at the moment. if u want to burn music cds only then either use K++ or something like edonkey/emule but i can't really say much about them as i haven't used them myself. kazaa diet uses Diet Kazaa add on which restricts adds etc and adds some searching options but most of these things can be found within K++.

just make sure if ur using kazaa u search for 160kbps or greater. i prefer 192 or 320 if available.

as to how long it takes to download a song that depends on what speed cable modem u have.take ur speed ie 128, divide by about 10 and then that is approx how many kb u download per second. most music files are about 4-10 megs depending on track length so ur looking at a very approx time of about 15mins max per song. if u want to download albums i recommend using albumwrap software availablehere (http://www.infamus.com/albumwrap/ ) just search for albumwrap in kazaa++, make sure AutoSearchMore is on and then come back and download away.

[nasrules]

Get K++ v2 from http://www.kplusplus.tk . K++ is an enhanced version of Kazaa Lite, which in turn takes all the adverts and Spyware out of Kazaa.

Alternatively, get Clean iMesh. Here's a link to the latest one: http://nasrules0.tripod.com/iMesh130.exe. It probably won't work with Windows ME. It also connects to the same network, but iMesh is more of a 'community' program. You find that mainly people who know lots about P2P use iMesh over Kazaa (Lite).

Also get the AlbumWrap Extractor from http://www.infamus.com and search Audio for AlbumWrap or ALBW, you'll have to look in the Artist and Album sections to find out which album it is.

When you've got a bit more time, check out DietK, Shareaza, eMule and mIRC.

I run 600k cable and get downloads from Kazaa of generally 30kb/s. I can however get up to 80kb/s if it's a popular song.

[Believer]

Sorry guys/gals....I should have posted this question
on the "noob corner".

ty...overdo.
What about blubster?
I see Wonderboy says blubster very good for music.
You, JLG, and others like k++2.02.
Is there a site that compares music file sharing apps?
Some (Rickio) suggest winmx.
Others suggest blubster.
The general concensus seems to be k++2.02.
Think I'll start with k++2.02 and take it form there.
Sounds like more a question of trying each app. myself.

By the way, Michelle28 received quite the welcome.
Good times.

[wonderboy2005]

yeah, in my opinion, you'll have the easiest time finding music with K++ you can get an installer w/ everything you need, so its pretty simple. if you want, you could get diet kaza to install ontop of K++, but there aren't many features that diet K has that K++ doesnt. one thing you might worry about though, is the quality of the music. kazaa is well known for its 128kb/s mp3s. to the untrained ear, they are satisfactory, but you will prob notice some blandness in the sound. so if you can, go for the higher bitrates. they not only sound better, but are usually encoded better (for example with LAME encoder).

[Believer]

higher bitrate than 128k is available on K++?
what about blubster and winmx?
will be loading file sharing application tomorrow and start burning.
right now, it looks like K++2.0.2 v2 will be the one.
quality is important, but I don't want to wait forever per song.
figure if i don't like K++ quality, i'll uninstall and go with winmx or blubster.

[overdo]

Here (http://file.share.world.fasthost.tv/Kazaa%20Lite%202.0.2%20English%20%5BK%2B%2B%20v2.0 %20Edition%5D.exe) is the installer for the new kazaa lite ++ version, as created by random nut. also contains AutoMoreSearch, sig2dat and a host of other small but useful programs. Sig2dat is used to convert links to files on ordinary web pages into files that can be downloaded using ur fasttrack client.. examples of audio files can be found at FastTrack Central (http://www.fasttrackmovies.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5)

oh yeah and try to avoid the 128kb/s files:mellow

[overdo]

Originally posted by Believer
higher bitrate than 128k is available on K++?
what about blubster and winmx?
will be loading file sharing application tomorrow and start burning.
right now, it looks like K++2.0.2 v2 will be the one.
quality is important, but I don't want to wait forever per song.
figure if i don't like K++ quality, i'll uninstall and go with winmx or blubster.

yeah on k++ u can download .wav file (1411kbs) but they aren't that common. if u set the audio setting to search for Name Artist and select the advanced options tab, tick quality and At least 192. if u use AutoSearchMore as well u'll find lots of gd quality mp3s.

[Believer]

thanks for your help
will see how well i do tomorrow with the install

[kevoid]

I would never use Kazaa for mp3s.. (maybe for Apps and Movies)

If you're new to p2p and want music try these:

Blubster
WinMX
Shareaza

[cpugeniusmv]

here's my opinion:

Kazaa++: it's good for everything, tons of users, tons of files...if you can't find it on blubster, it's here

Blubster: just started using it recently, IT'S GREAT!

[phalkon30]

The reason I suggested K++ is because of its easy to use interface, WinMX is great for high quality music most of the time, but can be chalenging to use if you dont know what all the little settings are

128k music is a MINIMUM for decent quality, I would recommend 192k+ if you want to make cds, btw, what kind of cds do you want? Mix cds, or full album rips? Mix cds are random songs in random order of your choosing, those are easy to make, because you can make a cd with very little effort

What program are you planning on using to burn cds? An easy one that is well known and very popular is called Easy CD Creator, it is very easy to use, and does a pretty good job of making cds, PM me if you need a way to get it, or go out and buy it, its not too expensive and can be found at almost any store selling software (bestbuy, walmart, Office depot, etc)

BTW, I'm glad you know how to use the search function, for some reason thats hard for most new users, you also seem to be learning ZP history very well, I hope you stick around for a while

[Believer]

will be doing mostly mix cds.
plan to download games later on.
mainly want to work on my music collection right now.
I think my motherboad came with "neo burner" software.
i'll have to check when i get back to the house.
WinMX and Blubster are starting to "sound" better all the time.
just learning this stuff.
this place is a great resource.........thanks.

[serrebi101]

I recondmend using k++v2.0 and usng auto search more under audio with the minumum quality of 192, you'll find anything you want,

[phalkon30]

I've never really used Nero, I had one bad experience with it, and said forget it, but there is a strong following behind the program, so if it works for you, great

Mix cds are the easiest to get, if you do that, dont worry about album wrap

[overdo]

Originally posted by serrebi101
I recondmend using k++v2.0 and usng auto search more under audio with the minumum quality of 192, you'll find anything you want,

yeah this is soo true. many ppl dislike Kazaa becuase they think it is full of 128k mp3s only but i can find 192k versions of nearly every song i want.

i use Nero, but u really have to play around in the settings first to find what's best for ur computer. i used a blank CD-RW to record audio cds on to get the burn process as near perfect as possible.

ps u may want to disable antivirus and other monitoring programs when writing to CD-Rs as they caused me a few problems.

[nasrules]

im jus sticking with ezcd5. tried nero but couldnt be bothered learning again so gave up!

i downloaded the whole of the rhcp album by the way and all but one track were 192. i dint look at the bitrates coz i was real tired but jus disproves the thing about 'kazaa only has 128s'

[sleepischeap]

i seem to remember reading something about 128kbps actually being cd quality when napster first came out. maybe my memory is tricking me.

[MusikBeatz23]

if your looking for eliable people to download off of its good i find good songs i prefer 128 & 192 but becareful there are some low quality 128... if you are planning 2 SHARE them with friends... NOT SELL SHARE... LOL... then go with 192... but kazaa lite is a good way to find files... plus your never on que... :fire

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by sleepischeap
i seem to remember reading something about 128kbps actually being cd quality when napster first came out. maybe my memory is tricking me.

When I first starting ripping I was told the same thing from a program, it said 128 was cd quality

Times change, 192 is a minimum, not sure why that was considered cd quality, but it could have been "close enough" for most people

BTW, Musikbeatz, thats not true, you do get put in queue lines, you just dont SEE them. True, there are less lines, but they can't be completely ruled out (why do you think they made the participation level, so you could be placed higher in a queue!)

[overdo]

in Windows Media Player 7.1 the highest quality u can rip to is 160kbs. true that wm8 is a technically better format but i don't think that 160kbs wm8 = 320kbs mp3. have to see what WMP9 lets u rip to using the wm9 format.

btw can somebody answer this for me - why do few ppl share wmX encoded files? they are smaller and as gd quality as mp3s so why are they so scarce on FT?

[Believer]

loaded k++2.0 and searched by artist/title with minimum quality 192kbps
found every tune i looked for
when downloading audio file....sometimes choppy while listening
how can i avoid?

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by Believer
loaded k++2.0 and searched by artist/title with minimum quality 192kbps
found every tune i looked for
when downloading audio file....sometimes choppy while listening
how can i avoid?

Well, it depends, are you previewing the files while downloading? if so, then its not completely downloaded, or you're playing faster than it can download, you just have to pause, then play for a while, then pause, and so on

IMO, windows media files are crap, sure they have better compression, but it doesnt necessarily mean they're better quality for the size, they just sound hollow and tinny

MP3's are also the divx rips of the music industry, everybody uses them, it would be insane for somebody to reincode all the mp3's out there, mp3 is universal, period

[Believer]

think i was playing faster than downloading speed
only happened on a couple files

[Krell]

I dont see how you guys havent experienced this. If you are going to play a file as it is STILL downloading, at least let it get 1/2 way. Give it a good 5 minute head start.

Do you realize that a decent Mpg is 1.5 MB per second to play?

[Believer]

i'm still learning
3 days ago i didnt even know what k++ was
now i'm talkin bandwidth, kbps and lame

[Krell]

Originally posted by Believer
i'm still learning
3 days ago i didnt even know what k++ was
now i'm talkin bandwidth, kbps and lame

I'm sorry, that came out so wrong, I wasnt refering to you in particular. I am refering to people generically, that are impatient. Its like money, you cant SPEND the 1500 till you GET the 1500.
Actually I was impressed that you caught on to that.

.

[nasrules]

wma9 in wmp9:
normal: max 192kbps
variable bitrate: max 240 to 355kbps
mathematically lossless: 470 to 940kbps

dont forget that wma9 is supposed to be only half the size for the same quality. eg:

192kbps MP3 = 96kbps WMA9. therefore 192kbps WMA9 = 384kbps MP3

can u albumwrap wma's?? i like wma's coz of their size an quality but u can only get them from ripping. there hard to find anywhere else.

[overdo]

Originally posted by Krell
I'm sorry, that came out so wrong, I wasnt refering to you in particular. I am refering to people generically, that are impatient. Its like money, you cant SPEND the 1500 till you GET the 1500.
Actually I was impressed that you caught on to that.

lol nice analogy there, except u forgot the dumb idiots who think that their credit cards mean that they can spend 3000 before they get the 1500 owed to them:mellow