Burner Speeeeed?

[toddot4u]

Whats ur burner speed?

[notbob]

AOPEN 32x--makes a 703MB cd in 3 min 42 seconds

i used to have a lite-on 24x that did the same in a minute 30

go figure

used nero, out of 186 or so burns (in the last 3 days) 6 were bad

(2 b/c the computer restarted from hdd probs)

[wonderboy2005]

notbob..... you said you burned 703mb cds? is that with overburn?

i tried using overburn lastnight..... i tried burning a 829mb video to a 700mb cd..... guess what? it didnt work. what's the max i should overburn? or should i even overburn?

and yes, i understand the consiquenses of overburning..... ruining burner, making coasters.....

[cpugeniusmv]

hmm....my 12x10x32 plextor drive has served me well...BURN-Proof technology is great.

[toddot4u]

nah i got my 40x16x48 for $40 @ Fry's Electronics 7 months ago actually we got 2 because they were so cheap go here www.outpost.com

[notbob]

Originally posted by wonderboy2005
notbob..... you said you burned 703mb cds? is that with overburn?

i tried using overburn lastnight..... i tried burning a 829mb video to a 700mb cd..... guess what? it didnt work. what's the max i should overburn? or should i even overburn?

and yes, i understand the consiquenses of overburning..... ruining burner, making coasters.....

i never did more than 703MB

even then it's hit or miss--sometimes it lets you others it doesn't

[AnimeDood]

i got a 16x. I've burned some 702 mbs...

[CCSDUDE]

I have several CDRW drives...

I'll start from slowest to fastest....

4x - some brand....lol
8x - Sony
8x - rebaged Plextor - this drive fuckin' rules! I've successfully burned over 1000 discs with it....without any fuss. Killer drive for the price....
32x - Norcent - cheap ass drive....it works...no failed burns...yet.
40x - some brand...lol works....

Now as I've said this before, I'm insane....I burn at slooow speeds.....as in 2x 1x 4x or tops 8x for crappy audio CD's that I don't care about.

As for how much you can burn....I'm with notbob the most I've burned "normally" was a smidgen over 702 megs...so 703...

If you must save a bigger file I'd say cut it up....or move it to a HD that's off to the side (not in any PC), or pick up a DVD RW....lol

Later

[toddot4u]

aight if were gonna list em.......

zip 4x burner have burned over 1200 discs i know of
hp 12x burner prolly burned over 500 discs
plextor 12x burner dunno it was my dads so prolly bout 100 burned discs
2 40x burners one in my computer and one in dads


:devil WE Love our burners!!!!!!!!1:devil

[DiddlySquat]

Almost brand spakin' new Lite-On 48x12x48x ! its sooooo much more reliable and faster than my old cd burner (Iomega 4x2x4x external usb)

[Krell]

Originally posted by wonderboy2005
notbob..... you said you burned 703mb cds? is that with overburn?

i tried using overburn lastnight..... i tried burning a 829mb video to a 700mb cd..... guess what? it didnt work. what's the max i should overburn? or should i even overburn?

and yes, i understand the consiquenses of overburning..... ruining burner, making coasters.....

Wonderboy, the file format for a data Cd will only allow 700 MB, or about 736,000,000 mbits.

The end region is reserved to write the file structure etc. There is padding there. When you enable over burn, it encroaches on that area, and will allow you to write 702 - 703 MB of data. I have varied results myself, and so does notbob.

The reason you can burn an mpg or VCD thats 850 MB is that the file structure is different.

Unless you want to do a lot of trimming yourself, stick with files that you can burn. I had to shave Dude Wheres My Car, and many others to fit.
.

[MoonMan]

My burner is an 8x. I used to not care how long it took, but lately it just takes TOO damn long (a 700meg takes like 15 to 20 minutes). I am looking into a new, faster one.. :mellow but knowing myself, I probably won't have the money for a decent one for a while.

[maartendc]

I got a lite-on 48x-12x-48x.... I'm not too happy about it, because it makes a lot of coasters... I burn about 700-715 megs on one disc... Is that too much? Should I burn at a lower speed? Now I'm burning at 48x or 32x....

[nasrules]

mines 12x8xsumthing it works about 4 mins for an audio cd with ezcd5, cant be bothered upgrading i think its an LG or an NEC, i cant remember which is my dvd an which is my cdrw!

[overdo]

Originally posted by maartendc
I got a lite-on 48x-12x-48x.... I'm not too happy about it, because it makes a lot of coasters... I burn about 700-715 megs on one disc... Is that too much? Should I burn at a lower speed? Now I'm burning at 48x or 32x....

if ur making a lot of dud cds then it could be ur system can't handle the burning process. try exiting everything before burning. also look around in ur burner software for some cache options and if it has a RAM option set it to about 30% of ur total RAM, but not greater than 80megs i think (Its in nero i'm not sure about anything else) the lower the write speed, the slower the computer has to send data to the burner, so the greater the probability of a successful burn. i have a 20x burner but i only ever use 4x when writing from mp3s as the pc has to convert to .wav then burn. if none of this helps then try a different software app - i use nero and sometimes b recorder gold.

as for how much u can fit on a disc, krell was right in saying that the max supposed data is 703Megs. i think the highest i know of being burnt was 713 megs but don't quote me on that. u can buy bigger cd-r discs but u might just be better getting a DVD-RW.

[maartendc]

yeah, but all those divx movies I wanne burn are 700+ mb....:mellow

And what should I do with the cache? I put the ram on 75mb since I have 512.... and the cache setting is on 16mb... should I increase it? I'm using nero btw, and I've got plenty of hdd space left.... about 30gigs

Could your burner get defective after burning over 700mb? And does anyone now wich brand of discs doens't work well with a lite-on? I have used emtec in the past (aka BASF) and they sometimes didn't burn at all... now I've got Philips 32x, but they burn really slow! they start out to burn at 32x, but then the speed drops to about 8x. So it takes about 8 minutes to burn 1 disc. I've also got problems with maxell (slower than usual)....

Is my cd-r drive broken?

[Karizmatik]

I got Polaroid 24x usb external & I've yet 2 be able 2 burn @ 24x. it takes over 5 minutes 2 burn yer average 13-16 song CD. Hey, it only took me 3 1/2 months 2 get tha rebate from it tho !!!

[overdo]

why r ppl here complaining when it takes them 5 or 8 mins to burn a cd cause it takes me at least double that. like i said before, the slower u burn, the less likely u'll make a coaster. if ur system and drive and software are perfect then burn at 24x and above. if not ur probably just throwing ur money away for a few extra mins of waiting.

as for burning DIVX movies, the best long term solution is to get a DVD-RW. if u get some gd software u can put several films on 1 disc and still make it compatable with stand-alone players.i used to use BASF discs but now i use memorex cd-r cause they are buy 1-get-1-free here in the UK and i've only had 2 coasters with them.

if u can still burn an audio cd sometimes i doubt ur burner is broken but yes ur burner could "break" if u burn over 703megs....

[toddot4u]

I have never made a mistake with my 40x16x48 and i have burned over 200 movies on it so far I forget which brand it comes w/burn proof and all that other stuff , i use nero I really dont know why u guys have coasters i never have so either get a new burner or stop complaining.............:black

[phalkon30]

Well, I go from my 48x-16x DVD rom (LG, Lucky Goldstar), to my 16-10-40x (another LG)

Typicly when I copy programs, it will take between 4-5min, and burns at between 16-17x with clone cd, about the same for ECC to

If you want a burner, go for a 48x, 52/54x are nice, but are basicly supertweaked 48x writers, I've heard on some that the hardware never changed between a 48x and a 52x, just the firmware....

Also, make sure to get Burnproof, or justlink, or any one of the other buffer underun features, it will save you from making a coaster 99.9% of the time (without it you tend to burn faster than the info is suplied, which creates a data hole, and ruins the cd

maartendc, what program do you use? make sure you have buffer underun protection enabled, also, some copy protected cds will not burn with most programs, for that, you need a program like Clone CD (http://www.elby.de) , I never change my buffer limits, it just creats problems

The brand of cd often doesnt matter at all, Ive never had a prob with my LG drive, or my philips for that matter

If you have problems, GO AT A SLOWER SPEED, some people I know will have to burn at 4-8x on their brand new burners, their comps can't catch up, or their source drive can't keep up

One last tip, reboot your computer, defrag your hd, close ALL open programs, then try burning, if it still gives you problems, even after all the other tips, post back

[king love]

i have a cd burner that burns at 32x but it burns at 16x can anybody help and its not the settin of the program i use to burn cds

[bobhss]

I also have a Lite-On 48x12x48x. It's burn proof thing makes no coasters for me. It's nice.

[notbob]

Originally posted by king love
i have a cd burner that burns at 32x but it burns at 16x can anybody help and its not the settin of the program i use to burn cds

it could be the cdr's you use

if you use 16x compatible with a 32x burner, they might only work at 16x

(sometimes they work anyway--i use the cheap wal mart durabrand at 32x, and they are only rated 24x, there were about 6 that forced me to use 28x, no higher option was allowed)

if you use an older computer, there could be a processor or memory speed bottleneck slowing it down, that's a bit more work to track down

[PornMaster]

ok, i use a Pacific Digital Mach48.. it's pretty good, i get a speed of 47x on a 700mb 40x CD!

[Munchables]

I have a 52x 24x 52x and I cant find cheep 24x rw disks. dose any one know of a place? outer than that it is a dream I burn cds so fucking fast!

Man I rember when cd burners first came out. I rember the one I got for christmass. It said "CD burner" no speed beucse it was a 1x man I thought it was the most amazing thing in the world I mean I can make cds. Then I rember when the 2x came out it was written in flame and you could burn cds twice as fast man-o-man.

dvd ram kicks ass I can burn a 8.6 well .somthing too bad burnd disks dose not work on all dvd plaers :(. but it rules when you want to bring a shit load of movies to a friends house.

[chipperrox]

i dont see why anyone would want a dvd-ram, dvd-r or dvd+r hold 4.7 gigs roughly and arent dvd-ram disc uber expensive?? plus they dont work with nearly any of the players ive com across, whereas with dvd+- r , it will work with almost all of the players i see. why would u want dvd-ram?

[notbob]

i burned an 806 MB music disc today--as music not as data

[wonderboy2005]

well im thinking that i might get a dvd burner soon, but this is one subject i am not very informed on. i have an intel celeron 766, a 30 gb 5400 hdd, and should be getting my 60 gb 7200 hdd soon. i have 512mb of 133mhz sdram. basicly, i want to be able to burn my divx movies on to dvds so i can play them in my ps2, and burn back-up dvds for my pc (preferably rewriteable). is there a single drive that will do what i want? if so, what are the max settings i should get?

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by wonderboy2005
well im thinking that i might get a dvd burner soon, but this is one subject i am not very informed on. i have an intel celeron 766, a 30 gb 5400 hdd, and should be getting my 60 gb 7200 hdd soon. i have 512mb of 133mhz sdram. basicly, i want to be able to burn my divx movies on to dvds so i can play them in my ps2, and burn back-up dvds for my pc (preferably rewriteable). is there a single drive that will do what i want? if so, what are the max settings i should get?

I have a feeeling that would be a large discussion, and you would get better feedback if you made a new thread about this

[notbob]

who gives a crap about feedback?

say what you want where you want!

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by notbob
say what you want where you want!

i want a billion dollars...in my pocket :-D

[notbob]

saying and getting are 2 totlly different ends of the chicken

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by notbob
saying and getting are 2 totlly different ends of the chicken
you can say that again :mellow

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by zebi
Sony has released a new dvd burner who can burn dvd+r,dvd+rw,dvd-r,dvd-rw, well , every kind of dvd discs.
It's not more expensive then a drive who only burns one kind of discs, 450 euro i think.

$349.99...WHOA, prices are really coming down...i saw this a few months ago...

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=n5BOVbME1MhOVY0cGZZEXvwL8uqYvZvt7iA=?Cat alogCategoryID=JjkKC0%2eNxpIAAADysm88lSwT&ProductID=aZwKC0%2eNNe8AAADybUU8lSwf&Dept=cpu

[graham666]

my burner is a liteonit 52x24x52 it burnes 700mb in2 min

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by phalkon30

If you want a burner, go for a 48x, 52/54x are nice, but are basicly supertweaked 48x writers, I've heard on some that the hardware never changed between a 48x and a 52x, just the firmware....


Not really, the faster drives don't write at a constant speed.

Look at it this way, you've got a round disc....the closer to the center you are the more rpm's you get with the same rotational speed. They use that to there advantage. So it burns at 50x in one spot then 48x in another then 40x in yet another. So you get the outcome of a 52x burn (or close to it) without the burn actually being 52x. Check out a disc done with a drive that claims 52x. You'll see slightly different colored rings throughout the disc.

Later

[bobhss]

Originally posted by notbob
who gives a crap about feedback?

On Ebay they give a crap about feedback, it can affect your feedback rating.

(but you're right, who gives a crap about feedback?)

[DainBramaged]

Correct. Any burner rated above roughly a 24x speed is basically a waste because of the way that high speed burners work.

Old burners employ a technology called Constant Linear Velocity, or CLV. This maintains a constant write speed no matter which point of the disc you're writing to. It works better for slower drives because the hardware can keep up with the rotational speeds.

Newer drives feature a technology called Constant Angular Velocity, or CAV. I don't know why they call it constant, because it's anything but. The way it works is that you'll get a higher number of rotations the closer you are to the center of a disc, but the hardware can't keep up with the high rotational speeds. Basically, you write slower as you start, but as the rotational speed slows as you angle outward on the disc, you can write faster. The thing is, by the time you get to where the drive can really show it's stuff, you've already written most of your data. At most, you'll only be burning at speeds above 24-32x for but a moment.

Another cause for concern are broken discs. As burner speeds increase, the rotational speed of the discs increase. This is putting immense pressure on the physical properties of the CD. New, 48x burners rotate discs at speeds up to 175 meters PER SECOND. That's half the speed of sound folks. Shattered and broken discs are becoming more and more common.

My advice? Stick with a nice 24x drive. Do you REALLY need that extra minute of your time?

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by DainBramaged
Another cause for concern are broken discs. As burner speeds increase, the rotational speed of the discs increase. This is putting immense pressure on the physical properties of the CD. New, 48x burners rotate discs at speeds up to 175 meters PER SECOND. That's half the speed of sound folks. Shattered and broken discs are becoming more and more common.

I seriously hope you're kidding

Maybe you really are a dain bramaged person...

[cpugeniusmv]

nope, he's not kidding...i've heard of several cases.

[phalkon30]

Like from the news story a few weeks ago?

I honestly don't buy into that crap

[The Hunter]

PC world did a article on it. Hang on I will check, but I think that is where I saw it.

[The Hunter]

I was correct, a 48x burner turns a disc at about 150 mph, and can cause a disc to fracture at the center causing it to explode.

[MoonMan]

Yeah I've heard that too. My friend has one of those top of the line burners and burned a CD for me one day, and the thing was cracked all down the middle when it was done. He said it never happened before and that it was strange but then again.. he doesn't burn that often. Since then it has happened 5 other times.

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by The Hunter
I was correct, a 48x burner turns a disc at about 150 mph, and can cause a disc to fracture at the center causing it to explode.

Hmmm, sorry, I take back my comment, I thought that was a complete joke

Still, 150mph is a LOOOOONG way away from the speed of sound, hell, its a long ways off from even half or a quarter the speed of sound

Thats the part that made me not believe when I saw that, there's no way that cds are aproaching the speed of sound

But lets say for a minute that they did, can you imagine burning a cd, then hearing the bang as your computer broke the speed of sound? (and most likely shatered the case at the same time), you'd have to get government permission to burn something, and it would be at limited times of the day

You can almost hear the neighbors saying "Damn, windows broke again, that damn kid must be burning cds again..."

It would be cool though, to say how fast your computer is....

[Mr. Mainstream]

Lg. 48X24X48 on my old comp (32meg lol) and Asus 24x10x40 on new comp (512meg lol)

[TipYourBartender]

An 12x8x32 Sony external burner on a Firewire connection.
Making enhanced CD's are fun with it.

[CCSDUDE]

DainBramaged: Correct on your part, except for the sound barrier bit.


Anyway, I've had that happen, 52 x CD drive, not CDR.....

It took one of my TDK's of all things (it's odd cheaper media seems to take a beating and last way longer....) and literally ripped it apart.

I heard a "clack clack followed by a loud clunk at which point Windows wigged with it's usual "error reading drive X"

I tried to eject, no go, gave it a whack (Spike Spiegel style), no go....

So after yanking the drive out and removing the casing I was shocked to find the laser mounting smashed to shit along with bit's of TDK everywhere and some huge shards of the disc jammed into tiny spaces between the top disc guide an disc grip.

Needless to say this cheap ass 40 buck drive I had used for many months was trashed.....along with my shitty weak TDK disc.

Ciao

[DainBramaged]

LOL, I can't believe I actually typed that. I was thinking one thing and typing the other, and they crossed and got all jumbled and...well basically, my bad.

[snowborder74]

I have a 16x burner and for that video deal if it was mpeg and you burned it as a video CD it might work as nero goes by timescale instead of filesize (you get 80min)