who would you consider the worst P2P villain?

[quintessence]

just curious :mellow

[abby.co]

RIAA SUCKS

[Vladd44]

hey why isnt sharman on the list, they are the real villian.

[The Sandman]

leachers/non-sharers should be on there too.

[mrgone4662]

Originally posted by The Sandman
leachers/non-sharers should be on there too.

Come on, you really think these people are worse than the riaa or the mpaa?

[roger d]

To some extent I think that the artists themselves have to take some responibility. Do we even know where they stand on this issue. If we are so aledged to be stealing from their pockets why are they not in the headlines. OK so metalica and m&m, or whatever his name is, have taken a stand. The soulution for this situation has to be artist driven. I ask: Where is there solution?

[Roamerick]

I'd say Vinnie from Bearshare. Just because he should take a chill pill and realise that P2P world does not revolve around him.

The MPAA and RIAA are universal enemies, a unifying force in the world of P2P. But there have been more flamewars about Vinie Falco than about anyone else in the history of P2P. Food for thought? :devil

[The Sandman]

mrgone4662, i see you point about the riaa and the mpaa, but if now one shared, there would be no P2P, but if a certain P2P service is shut down, the users can always find another

[quintessence]

i think leachers are just the goofy henchmen.

[riderx]

the biggest enemy is the adware and scum ware and the spyware, and those greedy basterds at the riaa, and mpaa, and the governement for trying to over step there boundaries on freedom of speech.

[Crazy Horse]

I think the artists get what they deserve if they sign with the RIAA. That means being ripped off by them not us. We get ripped off every way they can think of and they are still not satisfied. They want it all!
The Grateful Dead had the right idea. They dealt with these thieves for years before they took things into their own hands and handled their own production. They let their fans record their music to share. They made their money (the bulk of it) touring.

[PatientSaint]

the Worst enemy in my opinion is fear. the RIAA and MPAA fear losing their industry control, their monopoly, over music and movies.The fear that the power is rightfully so shifting to consumers and some artists. The fear that they will have to change thier current business model. What they needs to realize is a revolution has started and it's not going to stop for them. The more they fight it the more they hurt themselves . I know many of us now won't buy Cd's not jsut because it's free to DL( although that is a nice side benefit :black ) It's because it is now a form of protest to this greedy corporate monsters. The main part is if all P2P Networks stand united they're going to have to eventually back down. This is our revolution this is our stand.

[wesr]

that was very insightful patientsaint

[evilmegaman]

EMINEM!!!

[chosenone]

Crazy Horse has got it right.. The Dead dealt with this years ago. If these guys want more money, then tour and get off of their asses. That is how musicians should prove themselves is on the road in front of a crowd without a huge recording studio masking all of their flaws.

[Crazy Horse]

You a Deadhead? - I am from way back. I wish the bands would look at how things are now. The internet is the worlds greatest distribution tool ever. Musicians could take back what theirs by just using this medium instead of the recording industry.

[maartendc]

There's a cool song about Metallica and napster circulating on kazaa-lite. It's called "anti metallica anthem". Check it out!

Can't you see, mp3, means you're stealing from meeee, you should have bought a cdeeeee! I keep my phooooneline oopen, I'm rippin your songs right now! HEEEEEHEEEEE

Actually, I never used Napster myself (didn't have internet back then). Was it just centralised p2p, or was it a website-mp3-search-utility? I'd like to know...

[mojo-ris-in]

:cross Have to agree with Crazy Horse also. The real money for bands has always been touring and special appearances. The money from album sales go mostly to the record companies and lawyers with a small percentage going to the artists.

[doofynz]

what pisses me off is that kazaa and others are making money off file sharing and they can get away with it. They are the ones that should be stoped. Also if the riaa didn't want this to happend why the hell didn't stoped the cd writer from being invented and sony of people are the ones that invented those cd protected cd's but they make cd writers themselves.Didn't they think that it would not become popular. Also the riaa should of looked around instead of thinking they were safe now they are stuffed because of the mp3 format and also cd prices are too high they why the format became popular in the first place.

their is my two cents

[Sephiroth]

I believe that some of the user attitudes about P2P like all the programs should be free and other p2p myths that came out of napster by average people as their armchair plan to "save p2p" is the biggest threat.. Why because people who believe in them other that not one of them works, do not understand P2P's full potential, and does not understand that programs arent made for you to do alleged illegal things in fact its impossible for many of these File sharing programs to stop you.. So in the end these kind of people want programmers to be responisble for choose to use the program for even though that the person or company that makes that program cannot do anything.. When the solution is simple you dont want those companies to make money or benifit then dont use those programs..

Napster wasnt made to be free nor was it free Napster datamined and sold off network statistics yet everyone using it didnt care. Also just because a program is free or open source is no guarntee that its not vurnible in fact its just as vurnible as any commerical or closed source program.. The only advantage that open source has is that someone could start a varation but that could also go for a close source program which could release its source if it was being shut down anyways and wouldnt have much use for it.. It seems the only thing that Open Source varatations have contributed to P2P so far is different names, logos, maybe interface and different kinds of 3rd party software.. If thats the future of P2P according to some people then the future for P2P does not look good..

Companies is what built p2p and file sharing and it seems people dont know or have forgotten that without then none of this would be happen..

[Crazy Horse]

Companies is what built p2p and file sharing and it seems people dont know or have forgotten that without then none of this would be happen..
It starts with a "persons" idea. Napster was not a "company" or " corporation" to begin with. He began with the idea that he wanted to share music and wrote the program. Only when Shawn had to start paying for servers and bandwidth did he incorporate and make Napster into a profit minded venture. Then others saw the potential for money (vultures). Gnutella started the same way. Some (not many) aren't in it for the money. The basic idea for a "company" or "corporation" is to become rich. While p2p is still in it's infancy I don't see people like Pablo (Blubster) for example getting megarich unless he ultimately sells his "idea" to somebody like Microsoft or Nullsoft. These programs will continue to survive by charging or advertising or whatever. They will never be another "Microsoft". FastTrack is a good example of this. 100 million downloads and they are not exactly a Time-Warner" caliber company.

[Sephiroth]

You didnt exactly finish the sentence.. "The basic idea for a "company" or "corporation" is to become rich." by providing goods and services which consumers would consume.. That doesnt always mean you must pay money in order to use a service but you might have to put up with things like advertaising. That means if the Commerical programs like fasttrack and etc. do want to earn money then they must put out a superior product or program in this case that people would use so they can make money. How can they make money if their program is a piece of crap? They dont and just like businesses in real life if they dont adapt and change then they will fail.

Non-commerical programs do not see any real benifit if more people use their program so they are less likely inclined to compete and make better programs.. Why because they arent dependent on the program for supporting themselves or as a job. This is very ovious when some people talk about gnucleus where the main reason why they use it is because it doesnt have spyware and not because its has anything better than the other programs feature wise..

The reason why you dont see people getting rich off P2P is because its not being used that much for non-file sharing applications yet. The P2P-Revoultion didnt die its finally just starting...

[Crazy Horse]

What costs do programs like say Blubster or better Gnutella incur besides R&D? With the very nature of Gnutella is there server & bandwidth costs? OK I can see maybe hosting a webpage to advertise their product or have an outlet to get their product out but past that what real costs incur?
Which p2ps do you consider "commercial" & "noncommercial"? The one that stands out to me as commercial is Kazaa, mainly because of it's ownership and it's practices. I don't you if you can consider any p2p either one based solely on whether they advertise or not. An interesting topic indeed. I like your take on things for the most part.

[psychotronic420]

Originally posted by chosenone
Crazy Horse has got it right.. The Dead dealt with this years ago. If these guys want more money, then tour and get off of their asses. That is how musicians should prove themselves is on the road in front of a crowd without a huge recording studio masking all of their flaws.


I just want to set this straight, when the dead first started, they didn't make a great deal of money, for their perfomances, they performed out of the love for making music and free acid in the case of the acid tests - thanks merry pranksters. It was only later much later that they were courted by the evil labels and they were taken advantage of by them this is because the deads whole attitude twords the music was that once it left the instruments it was a gift to the people to do with as they wanted, the labels were the ones that tried to put an end to the tapers, I had a wonderful conversation with Mickey Hart on this subject a few years ago, I just wish that 1/3 of the new artists coming up had the same attitude as the dead and a lot of artists from that time had, then maybe we would have a lot more ORIGINAL music going around.
What I am trying to say is that it isn't enough to just go out and tour, with money being your main objective, you have to love what your doing first, if that is so it will show and success will surely follow.
sad but true..........................................


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[Crazy Horse]

I was there too when it all went down.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Crazy Horse
What costs do programs like say Blubster or better Gnutella incur besides R&D? With the very nature of Gnutella is there server & bandwidth costs? OK I can see maybe hosting a webpage to advertise their product or have an outlet to get their product out but past that what real costs incur?
Which p2ps do you consider "commercial" & "noncommercial"? The one that stands out to me as commercial is Kazaa, mainly because of it's ownership and it's practices. I don't you if you can consider any p2p either one based solely on whether they advertise or not. An interesting topic indeed. I like your take on things for the most part.

The same costs as every other business.. Taxes, Rent, electricy, phone/ISP bills, payroll, operating equipment , and etc...

Commerical programs are produced by Companies (Inc, LLC, and so on), Non-Commerical programs are not.. How Companies make money is up to them and ultimately if they suceed or not..

With gnutella dont forgot that the network is only as good as the software thats running it..

[Shadow, Thief of the Sun]

RiAA, definitely. They really afraid of a situation, where people will never watch "Cribs" again and they will not listen to artist, made by producers. I think that "us against them" type of war is just started and we will see what will happen in the future. Right now, all i see is weak attempt to back customers into chain stores and feed them with crap again.:mellow

[method]

So nobody thinks Ranger Inc. & MediaForce are the biggest bastards???

[method77]

Originally posted by Vladd44
hey why isnt sharman on the list, they are the real villian. don't use it then! DAAAHHHH

[PatientSaint]

@method

they are bastards but atm i wouldn't consider them one of the biggest worries of P2P networks. My biggest worry about now is the laws that are getting passed through congress here in the states that will limit digital movement. the RIAA is one entity but having the govt coming in and cracking down on things like the " war on drugs" kinda scares me a lil.

[jonytk]

Of course RIAA, but Bush and McDonals SHOULD be there too... ! ! ! :green4

[JordySchmit]

RIAA has got to be the worst. + i h8 leachers

[WoGiTaLiA]

The RIAA is actually the major force in strengthining P2P. Without the RIAA making a big fuss, and trying to stop it, new P2P programs wouldnt be appearing daily, with new ways to be the new rules, all their fuss is doing is turning fans against them, and meaning that changes will happen, and at the moment im actually refusing to buy any cd that is on a major record label(Sony, EMI) for their primitivity and the way they are acting over file sharing, I wont buy a CD because i dont support the way the RIAA thinks it is god. Power to the People!

[collideous]

Can I say myself?

[ThePillarOfAutumn]

The RIAA since they are the SOB's trieng to stop P2P services. Verison for giving out personal info on thier customers.
Verizon can suck it _ hope they lose a bunch of customers.

:shy

[ThePillarOfAutumn]

Nice - I think people will stop buying CD's If the RIAA gets away with everything they want. I will go back to just listening to the RADIO _ Screw them all - who needs to purchase thier crap - Listen for free and take out those cassests again. :shy

[nasrules]

the riaa or sharman. or possibly cydoor

[Power Penguin]

RIAA, MPAA, FUUSA, and the CIA.

[nukehella]

CrazyHorse is right-the artists should make money the old fashioned way-earn it.Dave Matthews is a prime example of this. Anyway-Bill Gates is the worst enemy of p2p.Why?I dunno-he hates little baby ducks and kicks his dog too.(Probaly)

[Muffin_Man]

the worst p2p villian is an irresponsible, biased press. raise your hand if you think downloading music is illegal.