Bring Back Networks Like Fast Track!!!

[Mels_Smileys45]

Yeah I said it! I miss it. I don't care what the so called "scene" elite douchers say! It was FUN! I think of Morpheus as the golden age of P2P. It was not as fast as the speeds we have with broadband today but it made up for it in variety and an ever changing network full of users that also loved to share all their music online at once! I remember 10,000,000 users being online at one time! That is an astounding amount of content to be searched and fast track was able to search almost the entire data base at any given time.

Just think about it for one second. What if there was a completly clean network that used the Fast Track protocol today and it contained no fakes or any of that BS!!! With the upload speeds people have today imagine the multi sourcing download speeds! I think it would be astonishing!

People have such HUGE hard drives today too! Many people would be able to share a Terabyte of media with no problem. If only 5,000,000 people could share 500Gigs a piece the network would be staggering in size.

In many ways Bittorrent has limited our sharing ability. Sure, it is great for sharing new files in a swarm but old files are left unsupported and can be gone forever once the torrent dies.

In the old days it was like a public library open 24/7 with more content than the imagination can fanthom! Bring it back please! It was so fun to crawl through all the files and find things that we never knew existed. Be snarky if you want...it was a wonderfull time and I miss it.


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[mountain_rage]

The great thing about the Kazaa network is that you could fake your ratio. Since most people used the regular client, you got great speeds off the noobs. Was getting about the same speeds then as I do now with torrents. But really I see no reason to resurrect fasttrack, we have newer, more efficient protocols. If anything you want want to revitalize the client based filesharing system, personally I perfered the old system to torrents. Torrents create too many separate networks, hidding many possible sources.

[Mels_Smileys45]

I had forgot about the ratio deal. Yeah, that didn't work worth a shit. That was pretty close to the end of the Kazaa cycle for all practical purposes. Besides Bittorrent, what other protocols are being widely used today. I would like to test them out. BT works great but it has fatal flaws in its design. Its dependency on websites to function for transferring illegal files is a bottleneck that one day will be put in a choke hold. I know people call this a gaffe on my part and heehaw at this theory but its very likely to happen. One day, through a organized effort, the people with the power will get the web sites blocked, people will start going to prison for organized crime and so on and so forth. When people start going to the slam for operating BT sites in mass then BT will go limp. The bottle neck is huge and very exposed. Organizations are just waiting till they have complete world wide co-operation and then they will strike these sites swiftly and hard. That is just the way these things happen and I think the time is drawing near. We need to be ready.

Another thing is the amount of available content is expansive but it could be so much greater. They way media libraries were shared back then made it much more accessible. It was always readily available weeks and years later. It did not matter how old the songs or movies were, someone was always sharing them. A much better system for sharing and it was so much more fun to explore than the condensed, very limited sources available today. I think new similar Fast Track network would work WAY better than BT does today. It actually worked way better back then but bad files supplied by the industries messed it up. This is the downfall of this type of network. In theory it is MUCH MUCH better in every way except isolating one file at a time at the expense of all the other files that could be offered up.

I am actually shocked that such a flawed system of illegal file sharing that is bittorrent has been allowed to proliferate the way it has. It almost seems like a planned effort to round the communities up and look the other way while the media industry cuts our heads off. I would think it easy to arrest anyone operating a BT site. I would think it easy to get most hosting providers to hand over customers who operate illegal organized rings as defined by the law. BT kinks are sort of like "chain of custody". With out the links the criminals are not able to transfer their illegal wares. This is an incredible weak infrastructure to operate under and this is where BT will be attacked more and more until it is all but useless.


People say over and over "Someone else will step up and provide content just as soon as they take one down". Well, relying on others to save the day only gets you so far. One day the hero's will wane. Faced with ever increasing legal battles the hero's of the BT battle lines will one day submit because this is not a war that can be won by breaking the law. I doubt that the right of the media holders will ever be taken away and even if the laws are changed the laws will not change enough to not protect some people who have legitimate claims to their own work. Abolishing all copyright law will never happen so the BT weak link will always remained exposed and fragile.

Fucks sake! I have went way too far into details. A new Fast Track type network would rule balls! BT sucks NUTS! Always has and always will because its GAY! I ma right and youre gay and thats that [not directed at you MR you douche rag!] so go eat some pie and shit a cake!

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[DrewWilson]

eMule and Kad is your friend.

I actually liked BitTorrent, but the moment the private site walls started getting errected, I personally knew that this would only fuel the elitism that has run absolutely rampant in the BT community. The direct evidence I've gotton over the years is whenever I criticise private sites, I got, among others, lines that said, "You're just jealous because you can't get in to the private sites." You cannot get a better example of straight up elitism then that and this has done a major amount of damage to the file-sharing community as a whole.

There wasn't a whole lot that was wrong with open BitTorrent communities. Walled garden versions that make up private sites are inherently insecure. I've lost track at how many people told me how it costs too much time and effort to infultrate a private site. I'm sorry, but it only takes one dumbass to trade an invite with the wrong person before the whole private site is exposed to the authority. Not only that, but private sites demand that you use you're real IP address - and it indirectly records EVERYTHING you download (part to enforce ratios).

As for how BitTorrent took off in the first place, it was obscure at first and it felt great to be on a new wave of internet technology. More people found out about it and it became popular. Private sites give people that warm fuzzy feeling of being cutting edge and 1337. Private sites took off, in part, due to some need of self importance. My download is better than your download. As if white list sites for other networks never existed.

The ideology of certain aspects of BitTorrent drives me nuts. It's not a 1337 download if it's not on BitTorrent. I grew sick of that even before I came here in the first place. Somehow, millions of people all feel special because they know how BitTorrent works and use it on a regular basis. I'm sorry, that may have been true the first year Bitconjurer hosted the mainline client, but it is far from true today. The P2P herd uses BitTorrent - that is fact. BitTorrent is the new Kazaa and it is nearing its peak. ISPs will target BitTorrent after arm twisting from the copyright industry. Websites will eventually get shut down. There will be huge shocking raids/shut downs of the big private sites that "no one saw coming" (LMAO!) and we'll eventually be back at square one.

Many will claim it's fair use to get copyrighted material without permission from copyright holders. No, only organizations like TurnItIn can turn a profit off of pirated material. So, how does one go about fixing this whole mess? The first step would be a change in what content people are willing to "consume"

People and users ultimately are fuelling this madness. If people didn't keep getting whatever plastic drivel the copyright industry keeps passing as top quality (since when was the Oscars not rigged?), the copyright industry would be forced to rethink WTH they are doing with their billions. Until then, we keep feeding the monster that eats us.

If, for one whole month, every person with a pulse stopped paying in to the copyright industry, the whole copyright industry would choke on it's own shit. The internet gives creators an ability to promote their own works. NiN/Radiohead wasn't being the first to use the internet by giving away their music to boost sales, they merely saw a trend that was happening with independents and decided it was a good idea. Heck, I've been doing that before then and I was far from the first! 50 Foot Wave is another if you want a big name.

For some, though, none of this matters because it's more important to swallow what the copyright industry is ramming down our throats then to say, "Hey, why don't I look around for something different?" IT doesn't have to be CC licensed material. Just not the RIAA BS. Look at your music collection and compare it to RIAARadars database. I bet most would find a vast majority of the stuff most people in North America hear gets a big fat red warning on it. If that happens, ask yourself, "Can I live without the major record labels? If not, am I just furthering the cause of the destruction the copyright industry has been pushing for almost 10 years?"

But no, many will just read this and go, "fuck that! It's someone elses problem! I don't need to change my habits because I think it's the record labels fault that they use the spoils they chizzel out of me to bite me in the ass." Seriously, more people need to opt out of a copyright industry system and choose alternatives if they don't like what's going on. Until then, if you ever get a cease and desist order, just tell yourself a little truth and say that you funded that threat letter either through promoting the material yourself to others that would buy it or through paying for it yourself. Every person that ever sent me a legal threat through copyright infringement (which actually have been miniscule) I've stopped promoting and "consuming" myself. If they feel they can extort a customer like me, they lose a customer. Plain and simple.

Is it really the networks/protocols fault? No. It's what people keep sharing and promoting on the networks that is the problem.

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[mountain_rage]

I've already transferred my software library to Opensource software, in the process I've gotten some other people into programs like Paint.net, Firefox, OpenOffice, etc. Now I'm working on getting more of my music from creative commons sources. Again, this is resulting in me spreading the word about creative commons works, and I'm educating those around me. If more and more people did the same, the strenght of the copyright collectives would dwindle as you said Drew. Quite frankly I believe its only a matter of time. Tech trends go through various groups before hitting critical mass and spreading like wild fire. I've found for these kinds of issues, I'm only a couple years ahead of the curve. Give it 5 to 10 years and it will be widespread.

[DrewWilson]

I've already transferred my software library to Opensource software, in the process I've gotten some other people into programs like Paint.net, Firefox, OpenOffice, etc. Now I'm working on getting more of my music from creative commons sources. Again, this is resulting in me spreading the word about creative commons works, and I'm educating those around me. If more and more people did the same, the strenght of the copyright collectives would dwindle as you said Drew. Quite frankly I believe its only a matter of time. Tech trends go through various groups before hitting critical mass and spreading like wild fire. I've found for these kinds of issues, I'm only a couple years ahead of the curve. Give it 5 to 10 years and it will be widespread.

I really well and truly hope this is true and I hope that it isn't too late before CC artists get censored off the internet in the supposed name of protecting copyright - though I see this being possible. Either way, nice going! :smile:

I'll be making more regular contributions to the open source music thread in a day or so. Last final exam is tomorrow morning over here. Can't wait to get some serious contributions to ZeroPaid again instead of my auxillery contribs! :D :D :D

[Mels_Smileys45]

My movie fixation doesn't offer much along the free and clear lines. I have a few hundred sci fi movies that are public domain and I have been meaning to rip them all and share them but so far I only converted one to divx for sharing purposes. It is an old Bela Lugosi serial edited into a single film called Shadow of Chinatown [1936]. I need to convert more before I change connection speed. I dig sharing this old films with other collectors. I bought a big bundle of these old films just to share them.

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[napho]

Downloading is far more efficient now, but not as much fun.

http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/showthread.php?t=9278&highlight=kazaa

[Mels_Smileys45]

I don't know that being concentrated on single files while letting old content die is more efficient or not. Overall anyways. Many people download many files at the same time and not just one torrent so it has turned out to be almost the same thing. The multi source protocol of fast track was the most ingenious file sharing technique I ever witnessed in action. No other program besides BT has come close to how it performed and to actually get close Bram Cohen had to make a program designed to download one file at a time...theoretically.


Cool old link old timer!

[thepuzzler]

re: MR's Post:

The only problem I have with Open Source software, is that it basically mimicks paid software that took a lot of time and money to research and create.

Do you think that GIMP would exist in it's present form had Photoshop not been invented? Of course not. Because it takes time and money to develop such an intricate app from scratch.

Now sticking with the Adobe theme. I believe that software companies would rather you pirate their software rather than going for an open source alternative. Sounds daft I know, but one day the pirate might be in a position to recommend it or buy it for someone else.

I was put in this very position in work last year when I was asked which graphics package we needed to buy. I could have easily said GIMP, but instead I said Photoshop, (Because I'm familiar with it) and made them shell out 800 GBP for a commercial license.

/OT

[thepuzzler]

fuck off and die

[Mels_Smileys45]

Seeing stories about many of the trackers closing doors and many more to come next week. Looks like people are jumping ship quick.

[w31n3r]

re: MR's Post:

The only problem I have with Open Source software, is that it basically mimicks paid software that took a lot of time and money to research and create.

Do you think that GIMP would exist in it's present form had Photoshop not been invented? Of course not. Because it takes time and money to develop such an intricate app from scratch.

Now sticking with the Adobe theme. I believe that software companies would rather you pirate their software rather than going for an open source alternative. Sounds daft I know, but one day the pirate might be in a position to recommend it or buy it for someone else.

I was put in this very position in work last year when I was asked which graphics package we needed to buy. I could have easily said GIMP, but instead I said Photoshop, (Because I'm familiar with it) and made them shell out 800 GBP for a commercial license.

/OT

if mels posts is anything to go by, then open source may soon be the only way! i agree that piracy actually helps software developers in that it gives it's products more exposure. i'll throw in my story to go with yours; when i started my business i had the option to go for the free OOo, but i went for the more familiar ms office suite even though it hurt like hell. heh, you know the old saying - power corrupts, powerpoint corrupts absolutely :15:

but if we, the average user, can't get "extended trial" versions off the pipes, then we'll have to shift to OSS/freeware, and most organisations look at user training costs before deploying software. if more people are comfortable with OSS, then it suits corporates (who i assume are the real customers of most software developers) to go open source.

probably why you won't hear software developers bitching quite as much about piracy.