Athlon vs. Intel

[12345678910]

Could someone tell me the difference in the performance of the Athlon XP 2700 333 and the equilavent in processor speed for Intel Pentium 4?

In other words :

What is the fastest processor that Athlon makes? (I am assuming it is the one I mentioned)

What is Intel's equilavent? (I.E. P4 - 2.0 GHZ?, 2.8 GHZ?)

And, what is the overall better product?

Thanks Guys!
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[Krell]

Hey there,

while were almost on the subject . . . try going to a bookstore etc, and check out this months copy of Maximum PC. Its worth buying I think, well . . I did.

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[The Hunter]

next question, what one is the most heat sensitive, especially when overclocked?

[12345678910]

Thanks guys. And Krell, I probably will pick up that magazine. Thanks.

Peace,
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[gorphon]

the initial runs of athlon 2200+ were VERY hot. I mean, they ran hot as all hell, somewhere close to 50c if memory serves... leaving me with just about zero desire to overclock them.... however, I have heard- though seen no proof of it as of yet- that AMD's newest chips have conquered this problem and run much closer to 40c now....

for overclocking... its a tough one. the amd chips need to be unlocked, a pretty elementary exercise on the pre 2400+ chips. but from the 2400+ and up it is supposed to be a cast iron you know what to do.....

so, though I am and always will be an amd customer (as long as they are around) I think the new p4 chips with the c1 stepping are a great bet for overlocking. if they even can be overclocked, to be honest I have not even checked into it much at all as I am not at all an intel fan. but if you got the dough to burn they make some fast ass chips. especially with the new fsb sppeds and all that.

[Tremaine]

not sure but the amd athlon has a higher clockspeed, but the fact is you'll get more quality and an amd is alot quicker than the intel, put it this way if you have a amd 2700+ its going to be a hell of a lot faster than any intel petium four even at 3ghz petium 4.

[12345678910]

I found a link to a site which did a great job at explaining AMD Athlon XP 2600+ vs. Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz. It is quite a read and some of it I don't even understand, but some of you may want to take a look at it anyway.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/roundupcpu/pentium4-28-athlonxp-26-mx.html

Peace,
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[Tremaine]

i meant to put the 2.8 chips, intel has a new intel petium 4 3.0 ghz chip and it has xeons which ones are you talking about?

[12345678910]

Originally posted by Tremaine
i meant to put the 2.8 chips, intel has a new intel petium 4 3.0 ghz chip and it has xeons which ones are you talking about?

I was thinking about the newest chips. Because the Intel Pentum 4 3.06GHZ is $654 and the Athlon XP 2700 333 is at $328. If I can get just as good performance from the cheaper one(AMD), why bother with Intel, am I correct?

Thanks,
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[isus]

yea, i agree about intel's useless waste of money...

can a better pc really change your life?

who the hell cares? stable and useful is all i need.

i like intel personally, but would choose amd anyway... i like intel bc they run a lot cooler (at least in my experiences) then any amd chip...

but amd is nice. dealie is right, who needs to overclock a system? people who are poor and have a cpu less than 300 mhz... i'd overclock a gpu before a cpu.

[gorphon]

hmmm.... weird. Ive never had any problems with overclocking... noting burnt out, nothing destroyed, no use for a fire extinguisher. but I do tend to research something to death before implementing it.

eh. whichever. to each their own.

[Krell]

I have OC everything I have had, and saved up to $300 at a time by doing it. HOWEVER, to heed Dealies caution, and what gorphon already utilizes, BE COOL.

Now, lets not speculate this to death, lets find someone who had tried to do a legit benchmark of these two recent processors. Again, this is just one survey, results may vary.

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1641
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[isus]

ok, well, lemme clarify...

i would not suggest oc'ing for beginners, esp. the ppl who don't understand the guts of a comp to start with.

advanced users like gorphon, then thats a different point.

[Siskabush]

when i got money, i think ill get a AMD, they are better

And did you notice on the new intel commercials, they do not say "Intel inside your music, intel inside your movies" anymore?

Because of that damn chip they are putting in

[Mr. Mainstream]

they did a top talk bout this on Tech Tv

[Absolution]

AMD had glorious days outpassing P4 after releasing the XP series.For some months,AthlonXP with DDR RAM was performing better than P4 with costly RDRAM.

But the scene changed after Intel launche the Hyper-Threading technology.This let P4s work twice faster (that's what Intel says).But AMD is still the best choice for money and performance.Many software and games supports it's 3D-Now technology.

AthlonXP is best for over-clocking.It had temparature problems,but that was fixed.It is virtually made to be overclocked,and motherboard providers like MSI includes both hardware and software support to overclock.I think you can get valuable information on this at Tom's Hardware Guide- http:/www.tomshardware.com .Go to the CPU index,and u can get all the articles on CPU from the last few years. :-)

[Psilaxs]

You are correct Absolution,

If I may add. Hyperthreading may make the P4 "twice" as fast, but the software has to be written for it, and i do not know of many programs that take advantage of hyper threading.

Also, the P4 was originally designed to only work with RAMBUS (RDRAM) and after seeing AMD success with DDR ram, and the consumers disgust with the price of RDRAM, intel went back to the drawing board, to make the P4 work with ddr ram, at a significant performance loss.

I had the opportunity to use a P4 2.1GHZ a few days ago (My friend bought a new dell (NOOOOOOOOOOO!! )

And was not impressed with it at all. I have a 1.4 GHZ AMD Athlon XP (1600+) And it performs much better then a P4 which is over 600MGHZ faster

[Krell]

Thx Psilaxs, I was waiting for someone to bring that up. Now lets talk price.

I paid $172 for rdram to go with this P4 proc and MB I inherited. I am quiet happy with the performance at the default settings.

However, if I had to shell out for a new MB, Proc, and memory, I would lean toward AMD.

I had an AMD system before this one, and the AMD systems I have built have never failed to take anything I can throw at them.

Also, keep in mind that systems like DELL arent optimised for performance, like ours are, but rather for stability.
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[Psilaxs]

KRELL,

You are right, they are designed for stability, but for ordinary computing it seemed a little sluggish compared to my system, perhaps it was the generic ram they used.

And yes, lets talk price, a new intel P4 3.03 GHZ will cost as much as it took to build my system (well, not quite, but close enough) That coupled with the price of Intel MB's and their proprietary ram (if you want max perfromance) it just isnt worth it.

[SnakeAnarchy]

Well intel procesors are really expensive and amd is good and cheaper.

Check this article about the new p4, sounds good too bad its gona be too fucking expensive

http://www.zzine.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=506&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

[nasrules]

ok this is a simple explanation.

an athlon xp 1700 gives the same or better performance than a pentium 4 1.7ghz. however, the processor is actually about 1.42ghz. the same with higher numbers. the 2700 is probably only about a 2.3/2.4ghz processor, but it is equal to or better than a p4 2.7ghz.

athlon xp's are also significantly cheaper than p4's, and theyre definitely the way to go.

EDIT: i bought a dell, yes i did u can flame if u want. i dont play many games, i use my ps2 for that. however i fuk my comp up so much that i need the tech support and the stability that i get from my dell :-P!!!

[nasrules]

ha fuk u dealie lol! i know, but my mum (thats mom to most of ya probly) bought it an at the time i knew nothing. owell. ive madegood use of the tech support so im glad i got it!

can we please get rid of this 190 second thing!!!!! argh!!!!!!!!

[blady]

---Someone has to pay for intels stupid commercials with blue morons jumping around on tv.---

LOL. That about sums it up! These days with roving bands of RIAA detectives and computer confiscations, we need a cheap, disposable computer that works great while we have it. And, we need one that we won't cry about leaving on 24/7. So when it burns out, it is cheap to replace. So, for the tiny amount of money i have, athlons are a hands-down only choice!

[Borgster]

amd rules. im allergic to intel's.

[12345678910]

I found another article showing that Athlon beats out Intel hands down. Be sure to check out the graphs too!

http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=208&PageID=2

And now I insert the Athlon Frog : :fire

Peace,
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[gorphon]

speaking of the frog.... what happened to good ol' gustav klimt da man??? anyone know? I liked the frog lovers posts!

and I am about to purchase an amd chip but can not decide whether to get the athlonXP that I can afford now, wait and save for the new barton core chips, close my eyes and pray for the clawhammer (opteron, whatever), or wait and buy an athlon when they prices hit the floor....

anyone got the latest on AMD's production "roadmap".... barton and clawhammer were supposed to be out by q4 this year orm at latest, q1 of the next.... but I remember hearing that the opteron production date had been pushed back again. anyone know for sure?

[Krell]

Originally posted by 12345678910
I found another article showing that Athlon beats out Intel hands down. Be sure to check out the graphs too!

http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=208&PageID=2

And now I insert the Athlon Frog : :fire

Peace,
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Thats an AMD related site, dont be niave. Those of us who have been benchmarkers and OCers for years have seen this propaganda 4 times a year.

Sheer speed isnt the only issue here. As mentioned, instructions sets and software written to use them are the heart of the matter. What good is having a turbo if you have no "on switch" for it?

If you want a fast system, a processor is only part of the picture. Ram speed, bus speed, pipelines, bursts, caches, all work together.

Do more research on what instruction sets the two use, and how they accelerate your apps. Also, try to find unbiased sites for validity.

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[12345678910]

Originally posted by Krell
Thats an AMD related site, dont be niave. Those of us who have been benchmarkers and OCers for years have seen this propaganda 4 times a year.

Sheer speed isnt the only issue here. As mentioned, instructions sets and software written to use them are the heart of the matter. What good is having a turbo if you have no "on switch" for it?

If you want a fast system, a processor is only part of the picture. Ram speed, bus speed, pipelines, bursts, caches, all work together.

Do more research on what instruction sets the two use, and how they accelerate your apps. Also, try to find unbiased sites for validity.

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Do you have any links to unbiased sites? I found this one off of Google so I didn't notice it was partial to Athlon.

Thanks Krell,
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[Psilaxs]

@Gorphan,

You will be more than pleased with the AMD XP line of chips, I have a "lowley" 1600+ (1400MGHZ) And it performs amazing.

very high fps on SOF2 (Soldier of Fortune 2) Around 180.

Over 250 on Q3 Areana, and so on. I know Video card has to do with it also. For multitasking, I can run kaZaA, Overnet, And Music videos/and or DivX movies With 0-15% CPU usuage(More if it a divx) You will be VERY happy with the XP, very affordable, and powerful.

Hope this helps.

BEST regards, and Merry Christmas,
Psilaxs

[Krell]

@ 12345678910

You are already on the right road doing your reseach. Just dont buy that "4 out of 5 dentist agree" crap.

Psilaxs gives us word of mouth testimony with a recent and valid example of why he thinks AMD is a good choice for a processor. THIS is what one should look for.

Again, I want to steer your attention to the MAXIMUM PC mag, formerly known as BOOT mag. They are a harcore performance mag with tutorals and torture tests.

And, occassionally, a hot babe.

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