Mp3 Players

[DefCoN]

hey all whats the best mp3 players out there besides winamp?:fire

[CrAzYMaNiAk54]

Besides Winamp? hmm, I would have to say MusicMatch...

[Etnies]

I only use musicmatch to rip cd's into mp3 format

sonique is good for visualisations and skins, but i gernerally just use windows media player 9 or realone player, both access the internet to get track information which i think is cool.

[Ashitaka]

I dunno, Winamp does the job adequately.

Freeamp (http://www.freeamp.org/) maybe. (I think the site is down right now)

[wonderboy2005]

etinies... man do you have some learnin to do. i dont mean to rag on you, but you seem kinda 'uneducated' in the world of digita music.

first of all, musicmatch is bloatware, and its worse yet at ripping. if your going to rip, use a program that utilizes LAME such as winlame. LAME is simply the best ripper there is.

as for your WMP9, well thats a load of shit. you cant uninstall it, and if a certain bill passes in congress, using WMP9 authorizes microsoft (or possibly someone else) to legally hack your PC. if you have to use WMP, use 6.4 you already have it. just go to start>run> and type mplayer2. realone? omg.... where do i begin?

[Rickio]

I use winamp but also have a few other mp3 players that I like and use especially when multi-tasking and surfing as they are so damn small and effiecient.

1by1 http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~pesch plays folders and mp3's that come with cue files.

coolplayer http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ plays ogg and is very good now, in the past it sounded like crap but has been re-written and is solid now.

xmplay http://www.un4seen.com/music/music_xmplay.html
check out this little gem. it plays ogg, mp3 and much more.

peace

[LordLOC]

Quintessential Player. Nuff said.

[Rahwgwar]

Originally posted by wonderboy2005
etinies... man do you have some learnin to do. i dont mean to rag on you, but you seem kinda 'uneducated' in the world of digita music.

first of all, musicmatch is bloatware, and its worse yet at ripping. if your going to rip, use a program that utilizes LAME such as winlame. LAME is simply the best ripper there is.

as for your WMP9, well thats a load of shit. you cant uninstall it, and if a certain bill passes in congress, using WMP9 authorizes microsoft (or possibly someone else) to legally hack your PC. if you have to use WMP, use 6.4 you already have it. just go to start>run> and type mplayer2. realone? omg.... where do i begin?

Hahaha....couldn't agree w/ u more my friend.....man realone? they took a nosedive and put the worst pos software that realnetworks has ever put together. I like Xm player and 1by1 player that Rickio mentioned. U gotta get 1by1 player if u want a no bells and whistles mp3 player. It takes up hardly any RAM. You should also check out Domino player. I like it although a bit weak of an equalizer. Sorry I don't have the link on me.

[nasrules]

ill prob get flamed for this but.......................i like windows media player 9.

[Etnies]

Guys Guys!!! easy tigers, I only use windows media player cos its allready on my PC. And had to install realone to watch some clips on the internet, as it plays mp3 what the point installing another player?

Isn't mp3 a standard type anyway, so it doesnt't mater which player you use to play it it will still sound the same.

And another thing, you honestly think microsoft is gonna waste its time and effort hacking into my computer cos I have a few hundred mp3's (alot have been ripped off albums I legally own anyway) get real!!!

As musicmatch samples just the same as any other sampling device, how is 'lame' gonna give better quality? a 192 on musicmatch is of the same quality of a 192 on lame. And if its not only supersonic hearing would notice the differnence.

[SnakeAnarchy]

Well besides winamp the best players out there for video/audio are nplayer and zoom player.

[CCSDUDE]

WMP 6.4 - BEST video player....
Winamp/XMMS for audio......
EAC/CDex - best for ripping. EAC even burns CD's......

Tata.....

[roxq]

i use musicmatch for ripping. who cares whether its lame or not. the difference is absolute zero.
and wmp9 is the best player for video. no contest. miscrosoft arent spying on you. theyve got bigger fish to fry

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by roxq
i use musicmatch for ripping. who cares whether its lame or not. the difference is absolute zero.
and wmp9 is the best player for video. no contest. miscrosoft arent spying on you. theyve got bigger fish to fry

*Not meant to be a flame*

But you sir are an idiot. Using lame does make a HUGE difference. So please do us all a favor and go buy some GOOD speakers. ; )

WMP 9 as well as 8 and 7 are bloat ware ridden crap. They prolly do spy on you, bigger fish to fry? They thrive on making you upgrade your OS every year or so! It's in their best interest for you to be spied on.

Tata.....

[roxq]

a huge difference? i think you know thats a lie.



and microsoft have never forced me to upgrade my os. and when i do upgrade my os they dont gain on iota.

who cares if wmp9 is bloatware? it plays videos better than any other player ive used. but i guess you use some cool, vague open source player cos only newbs use wmp, right?

oh, and all those pictures on your sig are a bit creepy, whether theyre cartoons or not

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by roxq
a huge difference? i think you know thats a lie.



and microsoft have never forced me to upgrade my os. and when i do upgrade my os they dont gain on iota.

who cares if wmp9 is bloatware? it plays videos better than any other player ive used. but i guess you use some cool, vague open source player cos only newbs use wmp, right?

oh, and all those pictures on your sig are a bit creepy, whether theyre cartoons or not

Bringing up my signature only shows your position in this disagreement.

If you actually read the whole thread you'd know I use WMP 6.4....

MS wants in on your PC no matter how intrusive it is, they want access. One word, palladium.....

There is a huge difference between MMJ's shitty encoder and LAME.....

Also, since you felt like bring up the subject of signatures, what does yours say about you? Nuff said......

Tata.....

[roxq]

there isnt even that big a difference between 160kbs and CD quality. if you really want the best quality music i could recommend you a good hifi.

mp3 has been around for long enough, i dont think theres gonna be once encoder thats gonna suddenly appears that makes a HUGE difference compared to all the other ones that have been around years.

my sig is just there to piss people off really. doesnt really compare to pictures of pre-pubescant girls does it?

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by roxq
there isnt even that big a difference between 160kbs and CD quality. if you really want the best quality music i could recommend you a good hifi.

mp3 has been around for long enough, i dont think theres gonna be once encoder thats gonna suddenly appears that makes a HUGE difference compared to all the other ones that have been around years.

my sig is just there to piss people off really. doesnt really compare to pictures of pre-pubescant girls does it?

Hmmmm, pre-*pubescent* girls, eh? What brought you to that conclusion? Go read the "addiction" thread.....

Ummmm you must be one of those top 40 listeners. If you think 160 is near CD quality. LAME beats out MMJ, test them side by side if you wish too.

So your signature is there to bother people? What problem do you have with mine? If you can freely say "ROCK OUT WITH YOUR COCK OUT"

I can freely express myself in whatever way I see fit.

I also fail to see why you brought my signature up, other then to try and talk crap. It's not relevant to what we were discussing. Which proves my point, you have no real argument so you start flinging crap. Childish IMHO....

So go ahead TRY WMP 6.4 and tell me 9 is better. TRY MMJ side by side with a lame encoder front end like EAC. Then try XMMS or Winamp and compare them to MMJ. All three alternatives kick those to bloatware ridden piles of crap to death.

[Etnies]

How can lame make a HUGE difference?

an mp3 is a (Lossy) sampled wav (cd audio) file

The only way to increase quality in sampling is to increase the bitrate or change the sampling method, i.e ogg

and in regards to media player, surely wmp 9 has improved codecs than wp 6.4. why would you use an older version ? thats like saying windows 95 is better than xp.

If I want super quality i'll listen on my home suround system. I listen to mp3's to see what the album is like

[p00n1s]

ROFL

i use MMJB for everything BUT the ripper/encoder

the best ripper/encoder combos out there are EAC with LAME and iTunes. both of them are the closest to cd quality you can get. the difference in quality between them and MMJB encoded mp3's is obvious even to my crappy ears on my crappy headphones

[roxq]

Originally posted by CCSDUDE
Hmmmm, pre-*pubescent* girls, eh? What brought you to that conclusion? Go read the "addiction" thread.....

Ummmm you must be one of those top 40 listeners. If you think 160 is near CD quality. LAME beats out MMJ, test them side by side if you wish too.

So your signature is there to bother people? What problem do you have with mine? If you can freely say "ROCK OUT WITH YOUR COCK OUT"

I can freely express myself in whatever way I see fit.

I also fail to see why you brought my signature up, other then to try and talk crap. It's not relevant to what we were discussing. Which proves my point, you have no real argument so you start flinging crap. Childish IMHO....

So go ahead TRY WMP 6.4 and tell me 9 is better. TRY MMJ
side by side with a lame encoder front end like EAC. Then try XMMS or Winamp and compare them to MMJ. All three alternatives kick those to bloatware ridden piles of crap to death.

nope, sorry, i dont have time to go round searching threads on here. i see pictures of young girls drawn in various states of vulnerability. dont really need to know anything else. and no, its not my intention to 'talk crap', i just think people promoting suspicious images of children should be challenged.

ive used wmp6.4 and wmp9. wmp9 is better. there is more competitiion to viewers like wmp than ever before so it really isnt in microsofts be interests to produce inferior products. whats wrong if it is bloatware? its loaded with options, whether you want to use them of not is down to personal preference. but at least theres a choice. my hard drives can easily cope with a few extra megabytes for that. maybe you need to upgrade?

thanks for your advice regarding ripping and encoding. but i'd rather just enjoy my music for what it is. 160kbs is fine for all but the anally-retentive,

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by roxq
nope, sorry, i dont have time to go round searching threads on here. i see pictures of young girls drawn in various states of vulnerability. dont really need to know anything else. and no, its not my intention to 'talk crap', i just think people promoting suspicious images of children should be challenged.

ive used wmp6.4 and wmp9. wmp9 is better. there is more competitiion to viewers like wmp than ever before so it really isnt in microsofts be interests to produce inferior products. whats wrong if it is bloatware? its loaded with options, whether you want to use them of not is down to personal preference. but at least theres a choice. my hard drives can easily cope with a few extra megabytes for that. maybe you need to upgrade?

thanks for your advice regarding ripping and encoding. but i'd rather just enjoy my music for what it is. 160kbs is fine for all but the anally-retentive,

So let me get this straight, you're not willing to take the time to get facts straight yet you'll jump to such conclusions. First off their NOT children. Just because you see something along those lines doesn't mean it's the artists intention. Like I said in the "Addictions" thread; I'm done responding to such tripe. So before you "challenge" me - not much of a challenge by the way - do it right and at least take the time to look into things.

WMP 9 is choked full of crap and extras you'll never use. They keep making products more bloated with each update for a reason; to get you too purchase a brand new PC as often as possible. WMP 6.4 does everything that 9 does with the exception of reading WMV 8 - 9 encoded files. It does it better, faster, cleaner. Without any bloated shit or hassle. Also, I don't need to upgrade....check the dozen or so PC spec threads....my "old" system would blow whatever crappy HP/Emachine/Dell you could bring to the plate away.

As for mp3's.....I normally rip/download plain old wav's if I can. If I can't I'll go for the highest rate I can grab in mp3 format. Which happens to be 320 most of the time. 160kbs isn't CD quality by a long shot..... If your hearing is good and you use a pair of headphones you can hear all the artifacts. Sure, I may be anal retentive about the quality of my mp3's but I'd rather be sharing/receiving HQ stuff then trading shit 128kbs rips from some teenie bopper moron who doesn't even know how to rip correctly.

Tata.....

[TFoS_Fan]

Nasrules... i agree, WMP9 is definately the best player I have ever used, and until I see a problem for me personally to use WMP9 the info about the security shit it has in it will not deter me. What are the chances of Microsoft trying to hack into my computer?. Even Bill Gates isnt that control freaky, lol.

[peace]

[roxq]

Originally posted by CCSDUDE
So let me get this straight, you're not willing to take the time to get facts straight yet you'll jump to such conclusions. First off their NOT children. Just because you see something along those lines doesn't mean it's the artists intention. Like I said in the "Addictions" thread; I'm done responding to such tripe. So before you "challenge" me - not much of a challenge by the way - do it right and at least take the time to look into things.

WMP 9 is choked full of crap and extras you'll never use. They keep making products more bloated with each update for a reason; to get you too purchase a brand new PC as often as possible. WMP 6.4 does everything that 9 does with the exception of reading WMV 8 - 9 encoded files. It does it better, faster, cleaner. Without any bloated shit or hassle. Also, I don't need to upgrade....check the dozen or so PC spec threads....my "old" system would blow whatever crappy HP/Emachine/Dell you could bring to the plate away.

As for mp3's.....I normally rip/download plain old wav's if I can. If I can't I'll go for the highest rate I can grab in mp3 format. Which happens to be 320 most of the time. 160kbs isn't CD quality by a long shot..... If your hearing is good and you use a pair of headphones you can hear all the artifacts. Sure, I may be anal retentive about the quality of my mp3's but I'd rather be sharing/receiving HQ stuff then trading shit 128kbs rips from some teenie bopper moron who doesn't even know how to rip correctly.

Tata.....


youre wrong. who cares about the arists intention. they photos are of girls who arent sexually developed (note the absence of breasts). if i was to put an age to them in comparison to their human equivalent i would have to say they all look about 12 or 13. paedophiles consistently use a similar arguement about nude photos of young girls and boys being 'art'. what do you mean by look into things? i can see the pictures youre promoting!! WTF you can try to defend yourself anyway you choose, whether you say theyre cartoons,or theyre art. THEY LOOK LIKE VERY YOUNG GIRLS. it doesnt need any intellectualisation, they border on paedophillia.

my pc is self built, my 3rd self built one in 5 years. i do use a dell at work, never had any problems with it, and stays up for weeks without ever a touch of slowdown.

strange how you complain about wmp being bloatware yet you download wavs? dont really get that.

i dont believe wmp6.4 allows me to toggle between full screen mode when i double click my mouse. a really cool feature of wmp9.

one more thing, why do you need such a good system if you dont use bloated programmes such as wmp9?

[Etnies]

wm 9 has also much better playlist capabilities, i.e by album, type, artist etc.

has the ability to apply skins and visualisations, (although im not sure if you can do this on 6.4)

can connect to radio stations and add them to your favourites

can play vcd's without having to browse the disc for the dat file, just click on play VCD

wm9 can play DVD's

interacts with internet explorer on windows xp

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by roxq
youre wrong. who cares about the arists intention. they photos are of girls who arent sexually developed (note the absence of breasts). if i was to put an age to them in comparison to their human equivalent i would have to say they all look about 12 or 13. paedophiles consistently use a similar arguement about nude photos of young girls and boys being 'art'. what do you mean by look into things? i can see the pictures youre promoting!! WTF you can try to defend yourself anyway you choose, whether you say theyre cartoons,or theyre art. THEY LOOK LIKE VERY YOUNG GIRLS. it doesnt need any intellectualisation, they border on paedophillia.

my pc is self built, my 3rd self built one in 5 years. i do use a dell at work, never had any problems with it, and stays up for weeks without ever a touch of slowdown.

strange how you complain about wmp being bloatware yet you download wavs? dont really get that.

i dont believe wmp6.4 allows me to toggle between full screen mode when i double click my mouse. a really cool feature of wmp9.

one more thing, why do you need such a good system if you dont use bloated programmes such as wmp9?

Ahmmmm, The sketch has no features! I blasted the shit out of it with filters. It once had a quite sizeable rack.

The 2 in the middle are robots, one is near 40 and one's 12 inches tall. Call it what you want but your full of it. That's all I have to say on that matter. If you don't like it block my signature in Mozilla.

If you've worked for Dell you're testament to your rock solid PC doesn't have bearing in my mind.

I download wav's yet I hate WMP 9? Soooo? If I can find a track in it's original form I'll grab it. Anyone with high speed access would. I could have just as easily download raw cd data files or au's or any other uncompressed raw format of delivering sound to a set of speakers. So what's your point?

In answer to your question about needing a fast PC. Well, it's like this I make videos (uncompressed avi's @ 800x600 or more) I need a fast PC with shit loads of HD space on SCSI drives to capture at that rate an quality.
I use the leanest programs around but you can't make up for speed with lean code when working with huge video files.....

BTW: I doubt you've used WMP 6.4 that often or you'd know you can just right click and hit "full screen". It's a hell of alot more aesthetically pleasing to be able to start and stop a movie with a click of the mouse (something WMP 7 and up don't seem to do). Along with hitting "Esc" and being able to STOP the movie. Not just bring it back to windowed mode and continue playing.

Tata....

[wonderboy2005]

ugh.... god dont bring up this stupid topic about CCSDUDE's avitar/pics. if you want to bitch about it, do it in the addictions forum, which has seemingly become 'homebase' for that topic.

as for the subject at hand, digital audio:
LAME is better than anything else at encoding. the reason you havnt heard of it, is because is sorta illegal. see, mp3 is a proprietary medium that has become widely used. it is owned by a german company called fraunhauffer (i think thats how its spelled) . some students wanted to see if they could improve upon the mp3 medium. they did. the thing is, they couldn't sell it, or distibute it in any way, execpt as its source code, as they did not own the rights to mp3, and fraunhauffer would not allow them to do anything with it. so they distributed the code, and peeps started making programs out of it such as winlame. but like i said, it isnt 'legal'. that's why musicmatch, and other big name players do not use LAME.

as for the hacking part.... it isnt so much microsoft im worried about. if the bill is passed, then anyone with rights to infringed data can legally hack. that means that your neigborhood band's techie could hack you for having their music on your pc. the bill also includes somthing along the lines that its still legal to hack somone with legal material on their PC. for example, you go out and buy a cd and rip it to mp3s on your PC. they can legally hack you for that, even if its just to check the legallity of it all.

ofcourse the likelyhood of this bill passing (atleast w/o some modifications) is nil to none.




and in regards to media player, surely wmp 9 has improved codecs than wp 6.4. why would you use an older version ? thats like saying windows 95 is better than xp.

its not the codecs.... its the player. the player does everything (nessesary) that WMP9 does, w/o the bloatware and extra shit. the codecs you have work for every player you have on your PC. that is, the same codec is being used by WMP6.4 as WMP9.


How can lame make a HUGE difference?

because of the way LAME encodes. im no expert, but it works better. thats why i use it.


ill prob get flamed for this but.......................i like windows media player 9.

damn.... i hate it when peeps say stuff like that. now i really cant flame you, cuz it will make me look bad. :)

[roxq]

Originally posted by CCSDUDE
Ahmmmm, The sketch has no features! I blasted the shit out of it with filters. It once had a quite sizeable rack.

The 2 in the middle are robots, one is near 40 and one's 12 inches tall. Call it what you want but your full of it. That's all I have to say on that matter. If you don't like it block my signature in Mozilla.

If you've worked for Dell you're testament to your rock solid PC doesn't have bearing in my mind.

I download wav's yet I hate WMP 9? Soooo? If I can find a track in it's original form I'll grab it. Anyone with high speed access would. I could have just as easily download raw cd data files or au's or any other uncompressed raw format of delivering sound to a set of speakers. So what's your point?

In answer to your question about needing a fast PC. Well, it's like this I make videos (uncompressed avi's @ 800x600 or more) I need a fast PC with shit loads of HD space on SCSI drives to capture at that rate an quality.
I use the leanest programs around but you can't make up for speed with lean code when working with huge video files.....

BTW: I doubt you've used WMP 6.4 that often or you'd know you can just right click and hit "full screen". It's a hell of alot more aesthetically pleasing to be able to start and stop a movie with a click of the mouse (something WMP 7 and up don't seem to do). Along with hitting "Esc" and being able to STOP the movie. Not just bring it back to windowed mode and continue playing.

Tata....
1) the images look like young girls, thats undisputed
2) i have never worked for dell
3) i have high speed net access but dont feel the need to download raw files. buy the CD, i find that $13/£8.99 is quite reasonable for new releases.

END OF CONVERSATION

[roxq]

LAME is better than anything else at encoding. the reason you havnt heard of it, is because is sorta illegal. ]


i have heard of lame, and ive used it. i guess some people use it cos it is kinda illegal and they feel like theyre giving one to the man. the difference in quality is insubstantial

[wonderboy2005]

oh... im sorry.... i should have known.... how the hell would you notice a difference with your 5 amp sony speakers?

seriously tho, if you dont like lame, thats fine with me. it takes all kinds. but regardless of what you say, lame DOES sound better. if you dont think so, go out and by a pair of good headphones (preferebly not under $20). unless your legally deaf, you should notice some difference. it may not be world altering, but it WILL be there. may i also suggest you listen to somthing above 128kb/s?

[Ken17625]

3) i have high speed net access but dont feel the need to download raw files. buy the CD, i find that $13/£8.99 is quite reasonable for new releases.

Ok, so why are you posting in the Zeropaid forums exactly? If you feel the price of new releases are reasonable, go here to thank them

http://www.riaa.org



i have heard of lame, and ive used it. i guess some people use it cos it is kinda illegal and they feel like theyre giving one to the man. the difference in quality is insubstantial

OK, you keep telling yourself that. Makes no difference to me what you use. As far as CSSDUDE's sig, throwing a hissy fit on the ZP fourms will do nothing for you. Its a waste time. You don't like it, block out the images. I don't see what you are trying to achieve.

[Wings_of_Azrael]

I haven't payed much attention to the ways different encoders sound. However, there's a huge difference between 192k/s and 128k/s. 128 has a flat, sometimes trebbly sound, while 192 and up tends to be more full. About the bloatware thing. I think the real problem with that is that it slows your computer down and the programs take longer to start. With WMP 6.4, I can run it on practically any computer and it pops right up. With WMP 7+ it accesses the hard drive and takes a while to start, then runs slowly once it does. I mean damn, I only had 128 MB RAM when I first purchased my comp and WMP 7 was already installed on it. It ran so slow that I just figured I'd go ahead and uninstall it, and they make it hell for you to do that.

Also, I like CCSDUDE's signature and avatar. They're cute, little anime characters. It's tasteful... it's not like they're spread eagle, stuffing dildos or anything. And... they're drawings... I don't see what the problem is.