Reselling Music Vs. Sharing?

[lknrockstar]

I recently received an invite to join bopaboo dot com - a marketplace that allows you to resell MP3s to other consumers versus just placing them on a P2P network. Its pretty cool - i have a private beta invite good for 20 users. Check it out - you can upload all of your unwanted music ;) and profit from the sale.




I didn't post my beta invite link because that's just stupid, and I'm not that stupid.

[RACKnRAIL]

Zeropaid is the name, in case you haven't noticed. We don't sell or buy.

Take your spam somewhere else.

[Mrs Robinson]

I recently received an invite to join bopaboo.com - a marketplace that allows you to resell MP3s to other consumers versus just placing them on a P2P network. Its pretty cool - i have a private beta invite good for 20 users. Check it out - you can upload all of your unwanted music ;) and profit from the sale. https://www.bopaboo.com/bpUserSignup.php?icode=PzGiqDfKgjjVn

This is the coolest idea I have seen for some time.

I have just been to the site and it's great.

It is a smoke screen as you don't really have to pay for music as you "sell" your mp3s and then use those proceeds to "buy" mp3s.

So providing that there are few people willing to pay the majority just trade mp3s.

I think the commission of 20% is too high. I'm sure this will come down to nil as the site gets more users and advertisers.

Also, I don't think this is spam - it is information about a new service that is once again battling against the RIAA.

I also think all things here should be free - So its time to wave goodbye to news groups (Usenet) :icon_salu

[notbob]

how can you sell something you never owned in the first place?

[Mrs Robinson]

how can you sell something you never owned in the first place?


The record companies don't like people selling CDs and have tried to stop it but lost in court.

I think the key point about MP3s is that you have to DELETE your copy after you sold it to some one else.

Some how I don't think so.

Most people won't delete files after selling them so will break the law but then how will the RIAA enforce it?

Remember this service if for MP3s without DRM.

In the end the value of each MP3 is going to be zero US dollars as the number of copies will keep increasing.:icon_thum

[notbob]

The record companies don't like people selling CDs and have tried to stop it but lost in court.

I think the key point about MP3s is that you have to DELETE your copy after you sold it to some one else.

Some how I don't think so.

Most people won't delete files after selling them so will break the law but then how will the RIAA enforce it?

Remember this service if for MP3s without DRM.

In the end the value of each MP3 is going to be zero US dollars as the number of copies will keep increasing.:icon_thum

own the cd or not, you never own the right to "sell" the music. you own the disc, not the music on it. the question isn't whether you "could" sell your mp3s, because that's easy. the question is why should you? get it for free. avoid anything that wants to make money off of you or music you didn't make. it's just plain wrong to gain from work that someone else did. i have always hated p2p for profit, and this is no different

you want to trade? trade. why should you need a middle man making a buck?

[Mrs Robinson]

own the cd or not, you never own the right to "sell" the music. you own the disc, not the music on it. the question isn't whether you "could" sell your mp3s, because that's easy. the question is why should you? get it for free. avoid anything that wants to make money off of you or music you didn't make. it's just plain wrong to gain from work that someone else did. i have always hated p2p for profit, and this is no different

you want to trade? trade. why should you need a middle man making a buck?

Funny, I thought you hated anything new not just, "p2p for profit".

There really isn't any money involved in this website because if users don't delete the mp3s they "sell" (which I bet they won't ) then the value of the mp3s will soon tend to zero. So no commission will be earned by the service provider. They probably have to survive on advertising revenue like ZeroPaid. This will be their way of profiting from p2p.

Also, let's be grown up about this, doesn't ZeroPaid indirectly profit from p2p? So do you hate ZeroPaid? Or do you think ZeroPaid is a charity or not-for-profit organisation?

Notbob are a sleeper agent from the RIAA, planted to post anti file sharing propaganda on ZeroPaid? If I was the RIAA that's what I would do. You are entitled to your views but they always seem to be anti file-sharing and pro-copyright. You don't need to answer I know you are honourable and a long standing member of ZeroPaid and above any suspicion. Just joking :icon_rr:

[notbob]

zeropaid doesn't make any money off of me, that's for sure. try as they might, their ads will never hit my eyes

you can close your eyes to reality and live in dreamworld, or you can look at copyright law. you do have a right to copies of cds you own. you don't have the right to sell copies, or maintain copies after you sell the original. do you seriously think that website has any legal leg to stand on? they'll be wiped off the internet soon enough (quite possibly thanks to being displayed prominently right here on zp)

i've been in the p2p game since it started. i've seen so many for profit p2p/storage/sideloading programs and websites wiped out that i just laugh when i read about new ones. they always think they have some loophole in copyright law. like it or not, those "loopholes" always fall flat on their face

i love free shit, and i have tons of it. more than i will ever use. but in no way shape or form do i try to delude myself into believing that i deserve it or that it's legal. it's free shit, get it while you can. if you pay for it from (or upload to) an obviously illegal service, you are an idiot. files are literally valueless. they can be infinitely copied at no real cost. there is no scarcity, and therefore no way to monetize it (at least in an open format like mp3) that's why drm exists. to create artificial scarcity on an otherwise valueless commodity

[Mrs Robinson]

zeropaid doesn't make any money off of me, that's for sure. try as they might, their ads will never hit my eyes

I think they do make money off you. They don't pay you for your posts and that is some of the content they sell. In fact you were one of their biggest earners in the past when you use to post here more frequently.


you can close your eyes to reality and live in dreamworld, or you can look at copyright law. you do have a right to copies of cds you own. you don't have the right to sell copies, or maintain copies after you sell the original. do you seriously think that website has any legal leg to stand on? they'll be wiped off the internet soon enough (quite possibly thanks to being displayed prominently right here on zp)

I think the idea is that you delete your copy of the mp3 that you originally purchased from Amazon etc. The site is self defeating if users don't delete sold mp3s. So I agree with you there.

i've been in the p2p game since it started. i've seen so many for profit p2p/storage/sideloading programs and websites wiped out that i just laugh when i read about new ones. they always think they have some loophole in copyright law. like it or not, those "loopholes" always fall flat on their face

Have a look at www.WE7.com this in my opinion works.

i love free shit, and i have tons of it. more than i will ever use. but in no way shape or form do i try to delude myself into believing that i deserve it or that it's legal. it's free shit, get it while you can. if you pay for it from (or upload to) an obviously illegal service, you are an idiot. files are literally valueless. they can be infinitely copied at no real cost. there is no scarcity, and therefore no way to monetize it (at least in an open format like mp3) that's why drm exists. to create artificial scarcity on an otherwise valueless commodity

Music always has a cost; the question is, how we pay for it. Currently p2p is been paid for (subsidised) by concert tickets, TV and film rights etc. Logically it should be paid for by advertising like a lot of other entertainment.

I also believe in free shit. :icon_pira

[notbob]

music and entertainment are "products". a file in itself has no value. what record companies do is create a demand, then limit supply (records were good, and cds were good until burners were widely available). pump it up until the supply is gone, and move to a new flavor. sites like the one you showed (or myspace or whatever) can increase demand, but not to the scale that the record labels have in the past


putting ads on songs is pointless when you can get ad free songs for free. what is happening now is that media companies are trying to figure out ways to make money off of a valueless product that costs a lot of money to produce. in the end, profit based systems mean the end of free shit, so why would i waste my time with them (when what i have now gets me free shit?)

[Mels_Smileys45]

Isnt always grand to be called an agent for the RIAA. I gotta respect Notbob for always being able to call Bullshit, bullshit.


Notbob... I would also like you to comment in the other thread about Piracy to know what your view is on this old, tired subject.

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=50871

[wapazoid]

Let's further drag this bebopaloo topic into the twilight zone, shall we?

If encoding music and selling those files online is "legal", I'm wondering why millions haven't been setting up their own little online storefront for the last nine years.

What in the blue fuck makes this legal, the act of destroying the original CD after it's been encoded? Do I get to sell as many digital copies of "Dead Man's Party" as I please, even though I bought 1 physical CD?

This is about as dim witted as hosting a public warez site with a disclaimer stating no copyright owner or law enforcement agency has the right to enter. And then there's the "delete within 24 hours" bullshit.


... for fuck's sake.

[notbob]

this bopaboo thing is complete bullshit.

one of their lines is "sell your unwanted music files" how the fuck do you sell something that you don't own? possession is not ownership. also, how do you delude yourself into believing that this could ever be a viable idea? you are selling something that is (in addition to not being sold, because you still have the file) has no value and is infinitely reproducible.

"unwanted files?" the concept itself is idiotic

[shawners]

If their unwanted, they be in the recycle bin. I dont think you can sell anything these days. If people heard of this site, they been around p2p long enough and can download thousands of files for free. Mp3's is another long list of formats, long ago RIAA had 2 sites dedicated to selling Mp3's. They had DRM, and they had labels divided so you would pay for two subscriptions. One site had 3 big labels, the other had 2. They never opened up their eyes that if you dont put it up to be sold on the net, it will be trade freely. They have the chance to put it up before retail date and sell it to the ones willing to buy it, rather then waiting til cd comes out, and having a leaked copy weeks prior is dumb. They changed cd release dates soon as somethings leaked but posting it on iTunes to customers that actually pay was something they missed all together. Now more and more files are being traded and they realize DRM is just killing it. Charge more, recoup the cost of it being played or shared on many machines. I Believe Amazon has Aerosmith Big ones album for 1.99 at 256kb/s and no DRM. The cd is at the store for 9.95. I hate that they havent gone digitial downloads all the way and close down the cd plants since their not making money by over producing copies of music that will never sell.

[Mrs Robinson]

music and entertainment are "products". a file in itself has no value. what record companies do is create a demand, then limit supply (records were good, and cds were good until burners were widely available). pump it up until the supply is gone, and move to a new flavor. sites like the one you showed (or myspace or whatever) can increase demand, but not to the scale that the record labels have in the past


putting ads on songs is pointless when you can get ad free songs for free. what is happening now is that media companies are trying to figure out ways to make money off of a valueless product that costs a lot of money to produce. in the end, profit based systems mean the end of free shit, so why would i waste my time with them (when what i have now gets me free shit?)


You're right that putting ads on songs as www.we7.com do is pointless if you treat them as products.

However, if you treat it as a service then it is not. They have some great playlists there and the music really does stream well. It is better than the radio. They are definitely on to a winner.

This is about ads paying for a service (selection and reliable streaming of music) not about the product (the tracks).

[Mrs Robinson]

Let's further drag this bebopaloo topic into the twilight zone, shall we?

If encoding music and selling those files online is "legal", I'm wondering why millions haven't been setting up their own little online storefront for the last nine years.

What in the blue fuck makes this legal, the act of destroying the original CD after it's been encoded? Do I get to sell as many digital copies of "Dead Man's Party" as I please, even though I bought 1 physical CD?

This is about as dim witted as hosting a public warez site with a disclaimer stating no copyright owner or law enforcement agency has the right to enter. And then there's the "delete within 24 hours" bullshit.


... for fuck's sake.

You obviously did not go to the site. It is not about ripping CDs then selling mp3. It is about buying MP3s then trading them for other MP3s. The big issue is that you have to delete traded MP3s. CDs don't come into it.

[Mrs Robinson]

Isnt always grand to be called an agent for the RIAA. I gotta respect Notbob for always being able to call Bullshit, bullshit.


Notbob... I would also like you to comment in the other thread about Piracy to know what your view is on this old, tired subject.

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=50871


Good folks at zeropaid rather than just ban someone who tells you about another way to obtain music cheaply and maybe free why don't you get SOULXTC to investigate and say actually visit the site and understand what it all about?


Mel the sun is still shining and Notbob has a thick skin. Sorry for disturbing your cosy club I'll ......

[notbob]

thing is "make money!" is the draw, though you will not make any. with music files being an infinite commodity, why should someone "buy" yours rather than someone else's? even better, do you "resell" the file you "bought?"?

the only one who makes any money on this deal is the website who gets 20% on everything, but there is no way that what they are doing is anywhere near legal. they actually transfer the files napster style (over their own servers). if it was a torrent thing at least they could (unsuccessfully) argue that they never touched the files. as it is, they are straight up copyright infringers copying and distributing. whatever money they do make will go to lawyers, hopefully the customers won't get sued, but it wouldn't be hard to make a lot of cases against them through the credit card/paypal transactions

in a way, it's like allofmp3 again. paypal and visa will be cut off first, then lawsuit after lawsuit

[Mrs Robinson]

thing is "make money!" is the draw, though you will not make any. with music files being an infinite commodity, why should someone "buy" yours rather than someone else's? even better, do you "resell" the file you "bought?"?

the only one who makes any money on this deal is the website who gets 20% on everything, but there is no way that what they are doing is anywhere near legal. they actually transfer the files napster style (over their own servers). if it was a torrent thing at least they could (unsuccessfully) argue that they never touched the files. as it is, they are straight up copyright infringers copying and distributing. whatever money they do make will go to lawyers, hopefully the customers won't get sued, but it wouldn't be hard to make a lot of cases against them through the credit card/paypal transactions

in a way, it's like allofmp3 again. paypal and visa will be cut off first, then lawsuit after lawsuit

I don't disagree with you but you do sound like my Mom.

Also banning someone cos they mention a site, actually also is what my Mom would do.

When did Zeropaid become the man telling it like it is?

There are some new great ideas out there like www.WE7.com (advertising based music service). It is a pity the small minds here never give users a chance to find out about them.

Or do you need to pay to get a mention (payola)?

Only joking I know everyone here acts with integrity and respects ZP users.

[wapazoid]

You obviously did not go to the site. It is not about ripping CDs then selling mp3. It is about buying MP3s then trading them for other MP3s. The big issue is that you have to delete traded MP3s. CDs don't come into it.

Who do you buy the mp3's from? What is the typical origin of these wonderful little compact files? Please, enlighten mothers all throughout the land of ZP.

You know, the whole Jeanne d'Arc "fight the power" attitude probably would have made an impact in '99. I'm afraid you're a little late.

Do you get a nickel for each name drop?

[Mrs Robinson]

Who do you buy the mp3's from? What is the typical origin of these wonderful little compact files? Please, enlighten mothers all throughout the land of ZP.

You know, the whole Jeanne d'Arc "fight the power" attitude probably would have made an impact in '99. I'm afraid you're a little late.

Do you get a nickel for each name drop?


You buy MP3s from Amazon.com and many other music retailers.

You might not have noticed this at ZeroPaid but DRM is either dead or dying.

Please keep up! ;-)

[wapazoid]

Oh, you mean that online store that licensed the music?

[Crashtard]

This sounds to me like another case of people trying to justify the selling of something they've already stolen anyway. If you've downloaded the music already for free, you might as well sell it if someone is stupid enough to buy it from you. If you're going to steal it, why have qualms about selling it?

[Mels_Smileys45]

This sounds to me like another case of people trying to justify the selling of something they've already stolen anyway. If you've downloaded the music already for free, you might as well sell it if someone is stupid enough to buy it from you. If you're going to steal it, why have qualms about selling it?


Selective ethics. I don't like the idea of making money off of pirating either but I know many people who do just that. Some people don't feel they are stealing anything. I guess they are only borrowing the music. I dunno.

[wapazoid]

I suppose theft is so common place nowadays that some pirates actually try to justify profitting from it.