Why TorrentFreak users are RUINING p2p!!!!

[HoratioDUKEz]

If anyone out there like me has ever been to torrentfreak.com, then they probably know about the kind of ppl who post there. Atleast 95% of them are straight up retards!!! They advocate for anarchy, and think that all media should be free to the world, they don't even usually think the artist should get paid!!! The politicians & mpaa & riaa & whoever all read this site, since it's pretty well known, and this is what they think file sharing is all about. You guys may hate me for saying this, but what most of us do is ILLEGAL, but who the fuck cares, laws were made to be broken!!! I do it anyway!!! The problem is that for some reason torrentfreak readers, and the retard Ernesto who writes for them, don't know that! They are trying to start a war over piracy to try and legalize it, you can't do that, thats retarted, best case scenario, you need to educate the masses on how to share safely...SO YOU DON'T GET CAUGHT!!! If you know what you're doing, then there is litterally a 0% chance of ever getting nabbed. So, let me know if this made any sense, or if any1 else has similar thoughts, or W.E.:icon_rr:

[RACKnRAIL]

You guys may hate me for saying this, but what most of us do is ILLEGAL, but who the fuck cares, laws were made to be broken!!! I do it anyway!!!

With that arguement, I could go commit murder, because who the fuck cares, laws were made to be broken, right? I do it anyway!!!

btw, it isn't just torrentfreak that has retards.

[HoratioDUKEz]

theres a difference between murder, which involves taking a human life, and illegal downloading, which involves taking some executives third ferrari away. Of course I now feel like an idiot, after yelling at the anarchists and supporting anarchy all in one post, but w.e, I wasn't being serious about all that "laws were made to be broken stuff" I just meant copyright laws :)

[Jorge]

Let's not start a war of words here please...

[RACKnRAIL]

Let's not start a war of words here please...

What this should say is lets not start stupid threads to spam my way into the BT trading post thread, which shouldn't exist according to ZP's rules.

No trading invites - This is an important one. There is no foolproof way to guarantee you're not going to be scammed. The best way to get rid of scammers is to give them no one to scam.

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=45183

[HoratioDUKEz]

Jesus rack, why do you hate me, I'm not trying to scam anyone!!!! I want to use the trading post how it was meant to be used!!!! I would never scam anyone......so while I was thinking of how to get my posts up and w.e, I thought, "Hey, what am I really passionate about???" and then "Oh yea, this, I hate torrentfreak commenters" If you search for me on torrentfreak, you'll see me yelling at retards left and right!!

[Sköll86]

even if they are retards... who cares? you never really explained how they're ruining p2p.

[HoratioDUKEz]

they are ruining it, by making the MPAA, RIAA, and every other stupid anti-piracy orginization hate file sharing......they all think were a bunch of crazy communists. They spew nonsense out of their stupid mouths, and ruin everyones party!!

[mountain_rage]

they are ruining it, by making the MPAA, RIAA, and every other stupid anti-piracy orginization hate file sharing......they all think were a bunch of crazy communists. They spew nonsense out of their stupid mouths, and ruin everyones party!!


They would think that we are all crazy communists regardless of what individuals are doing. They want to regain control of media so they can keep their inflated prices. Anyone and their dog can create and distribute music now days. Even some researchers are talking about how music is simply a set of rules that could be mimicked by a computer. Not only that but economists are saying minimal copyright and patent laws are the way to stimulate the economy, and that rules that are too harsh harm it by stifling innovation. So at least as far as music in concerned the market as it stands makes no sense and can't be sustained. Movie and TV might have more of an argument but even those are starting to be in reach of the regular Joe Schmoe. So whats really going on here is an industry trying to save itself in a world that doesn't want their over restrictive rules. Sadly people seem to think in one extreme or the other when most people would be satisfied with a middle ground. In fact the only way anything will work is if a middle ground is found and media prices are restored to a normal market price.

[Sköll86]

They already hate us. I honestly don't think they care about what kind of philosophy file sharers have. All they care about is the fact that they are loosing money. Besides, there is nothing the courts can do to defeat p2p technology. I'm not afraid.

[HoratioDUKEz]

I'm not afraid, but if som1 decided to educate all the noobs out there, then they wouldn't even have anything on any1, they could cry all they want, but it would still be safe, and they wouldnt be able to do anything about it. Then maybe they would give up!!!

[Sköll86]

well.. i disagree and agree with you here. Since forum posts have never been read in any court in a filesharing case, nor been reported in main stream media such as newspapers or TV, i actually don't think they have much impact of the issue overall. obviously, Bono or the RIAA or whoever can create an account on a site like torrentfreak and read the forum posts if they want to, but it has very little bearing on actual events. I do think we would be better off if p2p users were more educated... i think that will happen one day.. its just going to be a LONG eternal september before that day arrives.

[HoratioDUKEz]

yea, well, I'm giving up on this topic....thanks for the attention guys, I'm glad I got my thoughts out.....of course TF isn't the main problem, but w.e the problem is, hopefully it will be fixed one day!!!

[Sköll86]

Right. This is basically the same conclusion that I have come to. Only, I really don't think middle ground is going to be found.. Not in any formal sense. It is going to be difficult to come to such a resolution, since it is up to the respective governments of each sovereign nation to make their own laws regarding the issue. The problem is that the internet transcends such geo-political barriers. One effective way to bring about the kind of change that is needed would be to implement the plan that was proposed by the Canadian songwriters guild which would allow unabridged filesharing but only require that consumers who would use their internet connection for this purpose to pay a 5 dollar per month fee. That is a very reasonable solution, however it will never happen. I don't think its possible for the court system or the corporations to really understand this issue, it is far to technical of a thing to be effectively controlled by a single government, nevermind a multiplicity of such governments! I do, however, think that there is an equilibrium. The equilibrium between what filesharers want and what corporations want is going to be that some people will use illegal venues, and some people will be willing to pay. There will be a slight degree of corruption. This is how it always has been, this is how it always will be.

[mountain_rage]

Right. This is basically the same conclusion that I have come to. Only, I really don't think middle ground is going to be found.. Not in any formal sense. It is going to be difficult to come to such a resolution, since it is up to the respective governments of each sovereign nation to make their own laws regarding the issue. The problem is that the internet transcends such geo-political barriers. One effective way to bring about the kind of change that is needed would be to implement the plan that was proposed by the Canadian songwriters guild which would allow unabridged filesharing but only require that consumers who would use their internet connection for this purpose to pay a 5 dollar per month fee. That is a very reasonable solution, however it will never happen. I don't think its possible for the court system or the corporations to really understand this issue, it is far to technical of a thing to be effectively controlled by a single government, nevermind a multiplicity of such governments! I do, however, think that there is an equilibrium. The equilibrium between what filesharers want and what corporations want is going to be that some people will use illegal venues, and some people will be willing to pay. There will be a slight degree of corruption. This is how it always has been, this is how it always will be.

Songwriters guild solution would never work. For one they wanted compensation for just the songwriters, not the artist, labels etc... So without even including the movie industry, software industry, book industry, photography, video games we would already have to pay like 20$ a month for just music. Sadly that is the major flaw in the whole initiative. I'm of the belief that as far as music is concerned it will go back to its old roots as a performance art. Rights over music will die eventually. The other mediums are less likely to survive that route, but its too early to speculate what the fate is for them.

[El Comandante]

They would think that we are all crazy communists regardless of what individuals are doing.

Did someone say crazy communist....

[Sköll86]

i'm not proposing or promoting that solution, it was just an example.

Honestly, I think 5 dollars a month is all the music industry deserves. CD sale's revenue doesn't go to the artists in the first place, almost all of it goes to the labels.

As far as the software and music industries go... Most illegally downloaded software is somewhat more annoying than the legal versions as far as not being able to get support or updates, and sometimes it is less stable, or unsafe, so there are enough reasons for people to buy software legally to support the industry.

And there will always be movie theaters to support that industry.

There will always be live performances to support the music industry too, as you have mentioned. Thats how it used to be.

[Sköll86]

yeah... they're not going to think we're crazy communists. The government is the crazy communist, the corporation is crazy fascist, which makes us crazy anarchist. or we could just not use any of those words.

[RACKnRAIL]

Jesus rack, why do you hate me, I'm not trying to scam anyone!!!! I want to use the trading post how it was meant to be used!!!! I would never scam anyone......so while I was thinking of how to get my posts up and w.e, I thought, "Hey, what am I really passionate about???" and then "Oh yea, this, I hate torrentfreak commenters" If you search for me on torrentfreak, you'll see me yelling at retards left and right!!

I wasn't accusing you of scamming. I was simply reiterating a flaw in the forum rules that are a bit of a contradiction. However, you were on a posting spree, obviously to get into the trading section, which should no longer exist according to the rules.

[HoratioDUKEz]

you caught me there buddy, however i was told about some sites purely for trading, so I have ended my spree!

[Krell]

I wasn't accusing you of scamming. I was simply reiterating a flaw in the forum rules that are a bit of a contradiction. However, you were on a posting spree, obviously to get into the trading section, which should no longer exist according to the rules.

Yeah look how much shit I get when I say basically the same thing.


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[RACKnRAIL]

Yeah look how much shit I get when I say basically the same thing.


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lol...you do seem to handle it well.