Windows XP, XP For "Xtreme Pain"

[Koffee Bean]

Man, I don't know how many times I wish I had Windows Me on my computer again. I had it for 10 months, and in those 10 months I had only twice ever expierenced a blue screen of death, and maybe 5 times a system freeze. "Even so" I thought, "I'll Get Windows XP!" BOY!!! WAS THAT EVER A MISTAKE!

Ever since installing Windows XP Home Edition in Augoust I've had nothing but a headache. The system keeps freezing, locking up, giving me blue screens of death, and crashing! I'm afraid to press any buttons on it for fear it'll stop responding!

I Find myself having to reinstall it around every 2~3 weeks! All my software is compatible with XP, I exceed minimun system requirments, and I have updated versions of all my drivers! Can ANYONE PLEASE tell me why XP keeps freezing on me?

Sytem Specs:
XP Home Edition (PURCHASED)
NTFS File System
256MB's RAM
40GB Drive
800Mhz Intel Celeron Processor

PS: Does anyone know if XP Professional gives you more reliabilty and stabilty than XP Home?

[d.crowley]

The time I had Win ME on my disk was (computer-wise) the most painful time I've ever had so far... nothing but driver incompatibilities, system errors, mysterious crashes etc... most of friends experiencing the same problems.

Afterwards, Win 98 SE turned out to be (imho) the fastest and most stable Windows version - some programs frequently crash (BSPlayer!), but besides that, no serious trouble.

On my brother's machine I just installed Win XP for the first time - and it seems quite a step ahead, honestly... no errors, no crashes, system running perfectly. The playful & new-user-friendly GUI seems to scare some hardliners away, but with some modifications, XP is definitely the best MS OS so far...

Seriously Koffee Bean, I have no clue what's wrong with your system. You must either use a really weird combination of exotic / old / incompatible hardware or you're simply messing up the installations... I mean, geez - with a Celeron CPU, you should be glad anything's working at all.

[notbob]

i've heard from about 16 people so far w/ xp home, all of which were having more problems than even win ME which also sucked

i have pro, i run for weeks 24/7 without restarting with a dc hub, dc++,cd burner (occasionally), audiograbber(occasionally), ftp server (6 days a week) with very fey crashes (less and less as i work it all out)

actually xp is greek--chi-rho (symbol fof [first 2 letters of] christ in medeival literature)
bill gates' attempt at saying his operating system is god

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by notbob
actually xp is greek--chi-rho (symbol fof [first 2 letters of] christ in medeival literature)
bill gates' attempt at saying his operating system is god


The more I hear about that guy, the more I get creeped out. You sure he's not saying "I'm God."?

[Koffee Bean]

I have A HP Pavilion XT919 computer. I was running Me before and when I went to XP i went for an upgrade, I then relaized I was still under FAT32 so I went for the clean install and chose to format it under NTFS, so I wound up with a new system. Everytime I reformat (2~3 weeks) I always go with a clean install. It can happen anytime, The last timer it happened was when I was adding songs to a CD Playlist before burning. Before it happened while downloading a song, and another time when I was surfing the web with Mozilla,before that it's happened at start-up, infact a while ago I had serious start-up problems, i would start-up and nothing would happen for around 5~10min. i pushed buttons, clicked stuff, and it wouldn't respond, and then when it finally did it wouls say "Windows has recovered from a serious error, would you like to inform Microsoft about it?" and then i would normally hit yes. Thinking maybe my file system sectors and files were screwed up I would go to the disk options in My Computer and check "Fix File System Errors" I would then proceed to reboot, and it would start scanning, but immediatly after scanning it would come back with a stop error. After doing this for areound 3 times, I reformated and it stopped.

As for the programs I have installed I have:
Norton AntiVirus 2003 Pro
Sygate Personal Firewall
Easy CD Creator 5.3 Platinum
KaZaA Lite 2.0.0
Ad-Aware 5.83
Blubster 2.0b
Mozilla 1.1
Microsoft Works 6.0
Windows Messenger 4.7
MusicMatch Jukebox 7.2 Plus
Sleepy i5.0
and finally..
Window Washer 4.5 Pro

[The Hunter]

:wings To add a bit to this, my tec wanted me to install XP home.
My problem is, what did they screw up? A full install is $300, XP home is $150. Just a note so any ideas can be added to this thread. My 950 celleron is working just fine for me. Will it be stressed with XP? Your answers might help many. Also games are not a big thing with me so the cache is not a problem yet. It also doesnt appear to have heat problems when overclocked. Also I running 2 sticks of 256/133. Not that onsale shit ram. Note to krell the board is a aopen ax133. Later.

[Wolfie]

better?

[Rickio]

Originally posted by Koffee Bean
Man, I don't know how many times I wish I had Windows Me on my computer again. I had it for 10 months, and in those 10 months I had only twice ever expierenced a blue screen of death, and maybe 5 times a system freeze. "Even so" I thought, "I'll Get Windows XP!" BOY!!! WAS THAT EVER A MISTAKE!

Ever since installing Windows XP Home Edition in Augoust I've had nothing but a headache. The system keeps freezing, locking up, giving me blue screens of death, and crashing! I'm afraid to press any buttons on it for fear it'll stop responding!

I Find myself having to reinstall it around every 2~3 weeks! All my software is compatible with XP, I exceed minimun system requirments, and I have updated versions of all my drivers! Can ANYONE PLEASE tell me why XP keeps freezing on me?

Sytem Specs:
XP Home Edition (PURCHASED)
NTFS File System
256MB's RAM
40GB Drive
800Mhz Intel Celeron Processor

PS: Does anyone know if XP Professional gives you more reliabilty and stabilty than XP Home?

when you got your computer did they give you or at least give you a web address where you can get your system drivers?

it sounds like your probably missing some drivers and xp is using generic drivers that are not really working well for you.

[Rickio]

Originally posted by The Hunter
:wings To add a bit to this, my tec wanted me to install XP home.
My problem is, what did they screw up? A full install is $300, XP home is $150. Just a note so any ideas can be added to this thread. My 950 celleron is working just fine for me. Will it be stressed with XP? Your answers might help many. Also games are not a big thing with me so the cache is not a problem yet. It also doesnt appear to have heat problems when overclocked. Also I running 2 sticks of 256/133. Not that onsale shit ram. Note to krell the board is a aopen ax133. Later.

i'd say about 75% if not more system techs barely know what they are doing. it's best you install and begin learning as you have more interest in keeping your system alive.
it's no big deal to install and configure your setup. just take it one step at a time and give yourself a day if so you won't stress.
read your manual and be sure you have all your drivers before you begin.

hell 150 bucks! to damn much for nothing man!

if your running good now, just copy your system with norton ghost. in case you mess up or want to return to your current setup you'll be ready and at ease knowing yoursafe either way.

[The Hunter]

:wings Next thought, this is a socket 370 setup the board is a ax33 the last post was a typo. The next upgrade thought is? some cellerons had a 256 cache, will it fit, or should I wack in a pentium? Than again is the few cellerons made with the higher cache just a pentium with another name. Also will heat be more of a problem with the higher cache? Right now the sys is running at 75 degrees, the cpu at 69f. The clock is back at 950. PSthe heat sink is the biggest thing I could saw the corners off and make it fit.

[The Hunter]

:wings Sort of what i thought,but it is just nice to have it confirmed. The speed I will gain willnever be noticed. Unless I start with hi tec games. The best thing is just keep shareing. As of yet I have had no problems. It all works. Shit that is the main thing isnt it. As long as it is all good we share. Night my friend.

[phalkon30]

Krell, great post on reformating

I am running XP Pro, i had the same problems until i updated windows, there was a major bug (in the release i had), after i got the update, it was great, before it, it wouldnt start up reliably

the only other thing i can add, is a web site i got off of TechTV a while ago, it tells you which things should/shouldnt be running in the background (only MS things), it freed about 30meg of ram for me and sped up my comp a bunch

check it out http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

(btw, i think XP was supposed to mean eXPerience, for experience in OS's, supposedly they learned...)

[AM1234]

Please tell me what services I do not need running on Windows XP!

[gorphon]

Originally posted by AM1234
Please tell me what services I do not need running on Windows XP!

dude... you are better off reading and learning then asking people for help. as far as I know, no one with any real knowledge will tell you what you dont need as they are not there in front of your pc with you and cant coach you through anything that goes wrong. so. go to this site:

http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

and this one:
tweak3d (http://tweak3d.net)

theyve got all kinds of how tos and tweaks on the right hand side. just read, spend a few hours today and more this weekend learning, you will be surprised how easy it is. I promise.

[CCSDUDE]

Whoa.....someone agrees with my stance on WinME......


Crashes are nonexistent on my system..... ; )

Haven't a clue what your problem could be.......just shocked that someone other then Rickio (advanced users in general too) agree with me on this issue.

Anyway do you have a graphics card installed? If you do try removing it before you format and reinstall XP then install the drivers, shut down, install the card, restart. Also, do what Krell said.....shut down all the winmng crap along with system restore and all that crap.


Have you tried going back to WinMe? I'd say if your totally stuck just go back to ME and see if it gives you problems in it's out of the box configuration. Then tweak till your hearts content and do the same to XP.

Why not have a duel boot system? Half XP on fat 32 and half ME.


As for XP's name....I'm gonna go with notbob's explanation. Bill, being the dipshit that he is would do something that twisted.


Later

[AM1234]

Thanks for all your help, guys, and I'm not a dude, I'm a woman, who when pointed in the right direction, can usually figure things out for herself !

[gorphon]

Originally posted by AM1234
Thanks for all your help, guys, and I'm not a dude, I'm a woman, who when pointed in the right direction, can usually figure things out for herself !


oops, my bad... guess Im just too used to speaking with nothing but guys here, the "dude" thing comes far too easily. hope we helped ya some though!

[phalkon30]

CCS, I dont doubt that ME is stable for you, any OS in the right environment works, it all depends on what you do with your computer

I had 95 on my 66mhz IBM, i didnt know what the hell the blue screen of death was until i moved up to 98SE on another machine, I just ran really stupid games, and didnt do much tweaking, worked great for me!

for me, XP is just a step ahead of ME, it really just finished off what 2k/ME started, I have never really had a problem with it

(at least not on my current setup, on my slower computer it froze quite a bit, but thats because its not meant for a dinosoar like i had, if you have a newer system, its great and IMO cant be beat!)

ok, ill stop with the XP/ME crap, thats been gone over sooo many times, gl with the tweaking

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Krell
For one, I fail to see where anyone agreed with CCSDUDE regarding ME.

Secondly, phalkon30, I disagree with you also.
(just not in a bashing condescending MIT way)

XP is not "just a step ahead of ME" and it is not "finishing what 2000/ME started"

They are as different as night and day. Stablity, security, application handling . . . all better in W2000, and XP.

.

The thread starter agreed in a round about way that ME worked better for them. Ricko agreed in another thread that with some TLC any OS including ME can be tweaked and cleaned up enough to be quite stable as well as a few other people.

As for XP/Win2k I agree with Krell...

There not even close to being the same. XP is built on Win2k's kernel, ME is not. And while XP does have it's upsides....it's downs outweigh them IMHO. I for one like Win2k......I've stated that in the past.....I come close to hating XP.....though.

Also if anyone has a Sig2Dat link for a Lindow's iso....PM me with it please. DON'T post it here.....don't wanna get ZP in trouble.


Later

[notbob]

here's a link to a picture of the original "xp" The Book Of Kells (I think the Exeter Book had a page like this too)

http://www.nd.edu/~medvllib/facsintro/irishmss/kells.html

[Koffee Bean]

Have you tried going back to WinMe? I'd say if your totally stuck just go back to ME and see if it gives you problems in it's out of the box configuration. Then tweak till your hearts content and do the same to XP. Why not have a duel boot system? Half XP on fat 32 and half ME.


Well, because I have an NTFS file system, WHICH CAN NOT be reformated under FAT32, NTFS is one-way only.

As for XP's name....I'm gonna go with notbob's explanation. Bill, being the dipshit that he is would do something that twisted.

Actually, I was being sarcastic about the Xtreme Pain, XP stands for
experiance.

L8er!

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Koffee Bean


Well, because I have an NTFS file system, WHICH CAN NOT be reformated under FAT32, NTFS is one-way only.



Actually, I was being sarcastic about the Xtreme Pain, XP stands for
experiance.

L8er!

First off, your drive can be formatted....but you'll lose data. So it CAN be formatted...you don't wanna do it. In that case go BUY *wink wink* Partition Magic and convert some free space on your drive to fat 32 WITHOUT totally formatting your drive.


As for XP...obviously you were being sarcastic....but notbobs explanation seems to be correct....I don't give a rats ass what MS says it means....Bill could say his OS is the greatest thing since sliced bread....doesn't make it true. So he could have named it after some greek crap to 'get off' in some sick twisted way....I wouldn't put it past him.....


Later

[notbob]

Originally posted by Koffee Bean


Well, because I have an NTFS file system, WHICH CAN NOT be reformated under FAT32, NTFS is one-way only.




WRONG

you can format to and from any format to any other format that you want
linux to ntfs to fat 32 to fat 16 to mac and back again 100 times--you just can't keep your files and settings (which are easily replaceable)

"To Be Truly Happy You Must Be Ignorant Of All That Is Around You"

you must be exceedingly happy then eh?

[Koffee Bean]

Thats wierd, if you CAN reformat a HDD back into FAT32 from NTFS how come in the manual for installing XP, Microsoft states:

"...You can convert your file system any time, even after you install Windows XP without losing any of your data.
The conversion to NTFS is one-way only; if you convert your FAT or FAT32 file system to NTFS you can't convert your hard disk back to FAT later"

I was just going by what was in the manual, so technically I'm not being ignorant, just following what Microsoft says.

I remember before when I was really frustrated, I popped in the WinME recovery disc that came with my computer, and it said I had to locate the file "FDISK" to install Me again, I took the CD out and searched in every folder, every hidden and System folder, but did not find it so I gave up.

BTW, Krell, you said I should do a low-format, what exactly is that and how can I do it?

[notbob]

the key words being "without losing any of your data"

you can reformat and change file systems as much as you want, you will just lose all of your data (which is what i said, had you read the whole thing)

back up what you want on cd's, and wipe everything, go back to fat 32, and reinstall ME and live on in blissful ignorance

[phalkon30]

Yes, you can only convert one way, IF you want to keep your data, if you dont care about losing data, then you can reformat as many times as you want, its just not stated clearly

do you know what the program fdisk does? its the reformat utility

it should be on a boot up floppy, you could even use the 98 startup disk, or you could try this software (http://www.startdisk.com/Web1/ubd/ubd.htm)

and krell, what i meant by a step ahead, some features like system restore were just being tried out in ME, the general interface in ME was a look at things to come, i know the kernal is completely diff as xp doesnt use the DOS kernal

[Rickio]

plenty enough cooks here, I won't spoil the soup.
just remember if you mess up, you can always do it again till it's right.

so just do it!

peace

[gorphon]

why not just pay the pimply faced dude with the brand spankin new, crisp out of the box a+ certification far too much money to screw it up for you?

thats what I do.

[gorphon]

Originally posted by Krell


No its not liar lair pants on fire . . .

Just for that . .. youre going to IRQ hell

W A I T a minute . . . your already there.

nevermind

.


too true krell, too true. and just for that Im not sending you that blow up doll you begged for for christmas! its horrible seeing a fully grown man sit on santas knee... and ask for that! but never mind that now....


well, to be honest I am just bitter. from now on I keep a back up of my user config file, apparently it no longer recognizes my admin privledges. that dastardly machine! so yes, now gorphon must do a full, clean install. yes. of EVERYTHING. unless you care to point me in the right direction, Im not proud. and the best I can come up with is a clean install, you have any other ideas?

that DOESNT involve destruction and such krell. and please, use simple language! my brain is all shrivelly.

[Koffee Bean]

Hey! I decided to reformat the computer and start from scratch so I can do what Krell wanted me to do with the partioning format. I stated in either the first or second post I did in this thread about my sytem start-up, well as I stated I did a reformat and it went away, but just today the EXACT same thing started happeneing again, and it's REALLY annoying, after much thought, I decided that I do NOT want to go back to Me, after-all, I like XP's features and look, it's just the stabilty of it that I don't like, so is their anything I can do to get XP more stable and my start-up back to normal? Oh, I also did that thing with Services.msc, the one that Black Viper does, and I was wondering if their was anyting out their that could return it to the state it was in before I "tweaked" it.

PS: Is it true that Lindoze is compatible with Windows programs, I can't seem to find the website on it. Thanks!

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Koffee Bean
Hey! I decided to reformat the computer and start from scratch so I can do what Krell wanted me to do with the partioning format. I stated in either the first or second post I did in this thread about my sytem start-up, well as I stated I did a reformat and it went away, but just today the EXACT same thing started happeneing again, and it's REALLY annoying, after much thought, I decided that I do NOT want to go back to Me, after-all, I like XP's features and look, it's just the stabilty of it that I don't like, so is their anything I can do to get XP more stable and my start-up back to normal? Oh, I also did that thing with Services.msc, the one that Black Viper does, and I was wondering if their was anyting out their that could return it to the state it was in before I "tweaked" it.

PS: Is it true that Lindoze is compatible with Windows programs, I can't seem to find the website on it. Thanks!


Can't help you with XP seeing as I've only used it afew times....I got crashes up the wazoo too and just formatted and went back to tweaked good ol' ME.


As for Lindows... it uses Wine to emulate windows. And IMHO it does a decent yet piss poor job of it. Some programs run fine while others will crash/freeze Wine and Lindows.

So it's not "there' yet....you can't run most of the programs that have install packages.

Anyway Lindows is not a free OS so you'll either have to pay for it at www.lindows.com or get it off KL....and I don't think you can get there Click 'n Run stuff since you don't have a code for there site (if you get it off KL). Plus my net connection kept dying/locking up with there ICW thing. Odd since it worked fine in Debain/Redhat/FreeBSD and afew other distros.....

Hope this helps.


Later

[phalkon30]

not sure why you would want to go back with the black viper site, but it happens

on his site, there is a "reg hack" that replaces everything and sets them back to default

as for unreliable startups, i havent had a problem, my windows hasnt actually crashed to the point of manually restarting for over a month, and its constantly on with me constantly hacking away at the registry to slim it down (i have xp pro btw)