Torrent is Dead

[GeekMaster1]

Is it?
I mean, it seems that all the popular sites are getting shut down.
Seems like the idea of a web-based p2p was a bad idea.
How would a torrent site protect itself?

I hate the idea that I can get completely INTO a torrent site and devote so much time into it only to have it shut down.

[RACKnRAIL]

Get use to it.

What do you mean all the popular sites? There has only been two large sites recently that I'm aware of.

[runbmp]

and I believe since then, more have shown up.

[aboghosian]

just join a smaller torrent site with 20,000 members instead of 150,000
they will be far less likely to be shut down

[meyou123]

What torrent sites exactly?

I don't think you know what you are saying.....BT sites are growing....not diminishing.

Last time I looked even oink was replaced with TWO other sites.

The more they shut down, the more open up. Just the way it is.

[infoseeker]

so far down are:

demonoid
http://ozone-torrents.com/
supertorrents.org

its getting too hard


thats all what i noticed so far

[w31n3r]

think of it as collateral damage...as a career freeloader i've learned to get used to it. like the others said, plenty of newer sites come up in place of a taken down site. but i'll have to agree with you that p2p, and not just bittorrent, as we know it is in danger. if copyright pukes get dead serious, theres nothing anyone can do but curse. but lets hope that that's a long way off.

[GeekMaster1]

so far down are:

demonoid
http://ozone-torrents.com/
supertorrents.org

its getting too hard


thats all what i noticed so far

don't forget Oink.
I HATE the fact that I have to go out HUNTING for this Waffles.fm site when I was already an Oink member.

[moon light]

u 'rn't clear

[GeekMaster1]

u 'rn't clear
what am i not clear about?

[infoseeker]

@ moon light

correct me if im wrong

i noticed last of your posts are not "clear"

[GeekMaster1]

@ moon light

correct me if im wrong

i noticed last of your posts are not "clear"
i have NO idea what you mean.

[w31n3r]

to clear or not to clear, that is the question. for to clear, is to hear in the ear, not the tear my dear...

*obviously had too much to drink

[immortals]

waffles.fm & what.cd are both bad ass sites ...

[drtoker]

and most smart people will have at least 1 music alternative, stmusic was open signups after oink went down, and only recently went invite only. You have to be on top of things, but most sites are open signup at one point or another (I know waffles and those didn't do this, but most do)

[WizardOfBuzz]

just join a smaller torrent site with 20,000 members instead of 150,000
they will be far less likely to be shut down

smaller private sites are harder to get into though, both because of the limited number of people to get invites from and b/c they have stricter membership policies from what I've read.

though I've also heard they have better quality torrents and members than the bigger sites, which stands to reason.

comes down to reputation on other sites to get into more exclusive private bittorrent sites.

[WizardOfBuzz]

Is it?
I mean, it seems that all the popular sites are getting shut down.
Seems like the idea of a web-based p2p was a bad idea.
How would a torrent site protect itself?

I hate the idea that I can get completely INTO a torrent site and devote so much time into it only to have it shut down.

torrent sites try to protect themselves by becoming private sites based mostly on an invitation system to gain access. they also will have membership agreements stating that illegal content is no allowed and they are not responsible for your actions/use of the site as a means of absolving their liability for members actions on the site, as they can be considered facilitators or conspirator in the eyes of the justice system.

[WizardOfBuzz]

What torrent sites exactly?

I don't think you know what you are saying.....BT sites are growing....not diminishing.

Last time I looked even oink was replaced with TWO other sites.

The more they shut down, the more open up. Just the way it is.

agreed, there is no evidence to support p2p/bittorrent is diminishing that i've yet seen.

sites shutting down, just like (application based) p2p networks getting shut down is just the nature of it. napster and kazaa get shut down, limewire and other p2p networks arose. the same happens with bittorrent sites. this is nothing new and is absolutely no indication of a declination.

hell the music/movie industries are starting to give up their attention on those who download illegal music/movies in the realization that the, for lack of a better word, industry has grown too large of a population to control every offender. they now focus their legal attention on their source or means of piracy, being the bittorrent sites/p2p networks and the big uploaders who are the main facilitators and originators of piracy on the web.

[WizardOfBuzz]

and most smart people will have at least 1 music alternative, stmusic was open signups after oink went down, and only recently went invite only. You have to be on top of things, but most sites are open signup at one point or another (I know waffles and those didn't do this, but most do)

yeah i had noticed that as well... only a bit too late to actually benefit from it. I had had a login to that site and initially wasn't much impressed by it, as I had already had access to demonoid which i preferred for my music downloads. I wanted to keep access to the site, but my internet was down most of the time when I had gotten my account, and it has since been deactivated (I'm assuming due to being idle) ...though I still have my supertorrents.org login...is there a way for a supertorrents.org user to get a login easily to stmusic.org being they are sister sites, or do I have to go through the normal hoops for getting an account there?

they got a huge surge in traffic with the downfall of both oink and demonoid when they opened up registration, which seems to be it in contention to waffles.fm and what.cd at least based on traffic comparisons.

what's your present opinion on stmuic? does it have a fair amount of high quality music that demonoid and oink had? I've been hoping to get access to what.cd, waffles.fm and/or stmusic.org since the downfall of demonoid which I had access to and oink.cd: which I had tried to get into, but never did before they were taken down.

[HelenaP]

...if copyright pukes get dead serious, theres nothing anyone can do but curse. but lets hope that that's a long way off.

Yes, we can (I luv ya!). Join the EFF.


... but most sites are open signup at one point or another (I know waffles and those didn't do this, but most do)

Actually, what.cd was open and announced here. (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=515602&postcount=1198announce)

They closed within about 2-3 (maybe six) hours.
I realize you may not have been referring to what, but for all the people that [b]do[/i] say they "...never had the chance...", they did.

That being said, I am leary to dl from any new music site.
Just my 2...

[WizardOfBuzz]

Yes, we can (I luv ya!). Join the EFF.



Actually, what.cd was open and announced here. (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=515602&postcount=1198announce)

They closed within about 2-3 (maybe six) hours.
I realize you may not have been referring to what, but for all the people that [b]do[/i] say they "...never had the chance...", they did.

That being said, I am leary to dl from any new music site.
Just my 2...

your right....it's just that most people's beef is that they never heard any news about the new sites meant to replace oink, until it was days too late. It didn't get a huge amount of attention prior to launch on news sites, and those who don't regularly visit this site didn't hear about it until it was too late.

I'm not complaining....those who got in, deserved to get in b/c they were actively searching for new private bittorrent sites immediately with the oink shutdown, everyone else was too slow and missed their chance at the open sign up. While it sucks, people need to just have patience, as these sites will grow in size through the invitation system over time, and it will become easier to get an invite to these new sites.

[IshareManyFilez]

Oink was a huge loss, but it did have some benefits. Since the closing of Oink I have become a member of libble, stmusic, what.cd, waffles, and motley others. I have even garnered an invite for wiitorrents.net randomly. Many of the files on Oink have dissipated to other sites, ones that may have never seen them. Not only are many albums now more widely available, but other sites can continue where Oink left off. In all honesty though, waffles.fm is definately going to become the next Oink. Libble does not have enough users, stmusic.org will be plagued by the fact that they have almost always had open signups, and what.cd is nicely developing but constantly has problems. Waffles.fm has accrued more than 3000 dollars in donations already, and has more than 50k torrents. To top that off they are in the proccess of moving their servers to Sweden. Go with the waffles, and for syrup and toppings, use other sites.

[Xtripit]

Actually what? is migrating to Sweden as well, together with some other sites. Music has never been as available as it is now. Hurray for the IFPI :icon_thum what a brilliant move from their site. And TPB setting up a music section as well. Their hunt to destroy BitTorrent is a hoot :icon_pira

[Defiance]

Sites being shut down has no influence on torrents. It takes a lot of legal work and time to shut down sites, and for every site that get shut down many more are created. Torrents are going to be around for a while.

[Zombieman123]

With Demonoid, the owner said that hes having trouble trying to find a location to host the actual site(demonoid.com). So it's not totally gone yet. I don't see Bittorrent stopping for a long while, especially when people watch Anime, tv shows,etc.

[1cooldude]

With the external forces and our government politicians in the pockets of large studios and record ing industry, this period is nothing but an adjustment to these changes. The scene is slowly moving underground and large public trackers will become a rarity.

That being said, p2p will continue to grow and prosper whatever the protocol (some being better/safer than the other). As the world becomes more closely knit into one large network ball of broadband connection, it has become impossible to slow down that train as it rolls past RIAA and MPAA.

My personal feeling is that RIAA is on the last stages of its existance and will probably die of its own poison pill as it realizes that the whole idea of lawsuits was futile and very expensive idea.

People will continue to exploit the weaknesses of foreign government's copyright laws and will continue to creatively undermine the overzealous US legislators and its strong lobby groups.

[qwerti]

yes, agree that for every site that goes down, 4 are going to pop up to replace it. The most they can do is slow but not eliminate.

[ddork]

The business of the RIAA is not in effective enforcement, but in profiting in getting common folks in the legal system. But I agree that these sharing networks (the good ones) will end up back in the underground. Personally I think that's where it belongs. Mainstream anything just means trouble in the long run, don't you think?

[DLiver420]

Torrents are far from dead...I'm personally a member at 9 different sites that I feel can give me ANY new release at a quality speed within a couple hours of release on the top trackers. I have an additional 10 sites that I can go to for more obscure or specialized downloads (not to mention the 3 porn-only trackers). If one, two, or even five of my sites bite the big one I'll still have a way to get my files. In this ever changing political climate it's all about diversity.

[JestaGeek]

Torrents are far from dead...
(Agreed, DLiver420)

Not only is BitTorrent, as a sharing protocol not dead, but there are increasing uses for completely legitimate purposes. Whenever I can, if shareware/freeware developers offer the option of downloading their creations via BitTorrent, I use the torrent. It helps keep their server costs down. I've seen several independent software developers (and other content authors) post links to torrents tracked by http://thepiratebay.org/, the most "notorious" of the public BT trackers out there.

As an example, JustLooking (http://chipmunkninja.com/article/justlooking31) is an image viewer for Mac OS X which is available from the developer's site, but he encourages people to download it from the TPB torrent. But that's just one of many content providers moving to this distribution model. In time, people like him may get the mainstream to embrace BT as a protocol to the point that just like everyone on the net has their browser of choice; they will also have their BT client of choice.

I salute these developers for doing their part to help legitimize the P2P networks! :icon_salu

[handonam]

Supertorrents.org is not down

whoever said that is incorrect.

[isus]

Supertorrents.org is not down

whoever said that is incorrect.

It's not down, but they did just get hacked...

[Krell]

It's not down, but they did just get hacked...

Very very owned.



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[frozenfraz]

Torrent sites closing down!? It's not about the sites, it's about the community, the overall attitude towards sharing. The concept, the ideology can't be shut down by any official agency.

P2P is a way of life - Beyond individual sites, it is for the collective, the sharing community can only grow and grow.

....my first post, it's a serious game this life business.

[baksteen]

very inspirational therfrozenfraz. yea i heard the site admin got owned, poor man. i was never on that site so i cant say about the community or anything like that.