Oink Shutdown! Owner Arrested!!!!

[psxcite]

:icon_shak
http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/display.var.1779471.0.police_swoop_to_close_down_i llegal_website.php

http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_news/20071023.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7057812.stm



Sad day, indeed.

Police swoop to close down illegal website

POLICE in the region have said they have closed down one of the world's biggest illegal music file sharing websites.

The site is understood to have been operating from a flat in Middlesbrough.

Up to 180,000 people were members of the private www.oink.co.uk website.


They paid to upload and download music, some of it not yet released by record companies.

The home of a 24-year-old IT worker was raided in Grange Road, Middlesbrough, was raided in a low-key operation this morning.

At the same time his father's home and his employer, a large multi-national company, were also raided.

The website's server, which was based in Amsterdam, was also closed down by Dutch police.

The 24-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to defraud and infringement of copyright law.

Detective Sergeant Tony Keogh, who led this morning's operation, said the three-month investigation had involved Interpol, the Dutch authorities and the British Phonographic Industry.

He said: "This is an infringement of copyright law that in financial terms causes immeasurable lost to record companies.

"We have been working closely with Interpol and our Dutch colleagues in Amsterdam where the website server is based to ensure that it too was secured at the time of arrest."

[melatonin]

British and Dutch police raids shut down the world's largest pre-release pirate music site

London, 23rd October 2007

British and Dutch police today shut down the world’s biggest source of illegal pre-release chart albums and arrested a 24-year old man in an operation coordinated between Middlesbrough and Amsterdam.

The raids, which were coordinated by Interpol, follow a two-year investigation by the international and UK music industry bodies IFPI and BPI into the members-only online pirate pre-release club known as OiNK.

OiNK specialised in distributing albums leaked on to the internet, often weeks ahead of their official release date. More than 60 major album releases have been leaked on OiNK so far this year, making it the primary source worldwide for illegal pre-release music.

The site, with an estimated membership of 180,000, has been used by many hardcore file-sharers to violate the rights of artists and producers by obtaining copyrighted recordings and making them available on the internet.

It is alleged that the site was operated by a 24-year-old man in the Middlesbrough area, who was arrested today. The site’s servers, based in Amsterdam, were seized in a series of raids last week. OiNK’s operator allegedly made money by setting up a donations account on the site facilitated by PayPal.

Cleveland Police and the FIOD-ECD SCHIPOL branch of the Dutch police undertook the raids, supported by Interpol, as part of a carefully-planned international investigation with anti-piracy investigators from IFPI and BPI.

OiNK used peer-to-peer technology called BitTorrent to distribute music. Torrent sites such as OiNK act as a library for torrent files. BitTorrent is the most popular software for internet file sharing and OiNK was the best-known for pre-release piracy.

Pre-release piracy – a growing problem

Pre-release leaks are one of the most damaging forms of internet piracy that is currently eroding legitimate sales of music across the world. Recorded music sales fell by more than a third internationally in the last six years, and independent studies show that a major factor in this decline has been internet users accessing peer-to-peer networks to steal music online.

Pre-release piracy is particularly damaging to sales as it leads to early mixes and unfinished versions of artists’ recordings circulating on the internet months ahead of the release.

Closed internet communities known as “ripping groups” often get demos, early mixes of commercial releases and promotional copies of pre-release albums in advance of release with a view to distributing the music as widely and as far ahead of release as possible. Each ripping group gains cachet amongst its peers for being the first to get new music and uses torrent sites to distribute the music as widely as possible.

OiNK operated an exclusive membership scheme by which users were only invited to join the site if they could prove that they had music to offer. They were encouraged to distribute recordings in the torrent file format with other OiNK members, and have to keep posting such music to the site to maintain their membership.

Once an album had been posted on the OiNK website, the users that download that music then passed the content to other websites, forums and blogs, where multiple copies were made.

Within a few hours of a popular pre-release track being posted on the OiNK site, hundreds of copies can be found further down the illegal online supply chain.

The recording industry says that the closure of the site is an important victory in the industry’s bid to tackle copyright theft.

Jeremy Banks, Head of the IFPI’s Internet Anti-Piracy Unit, said: “OiNK was central to the illegal distribution of pre-release music online. This was not a case of friends sharing music for pleasure. This was a worldwide network that got hold of music they did not own the rights to and posted it online.

“This operation was a classic example of how the recording industry can work with law enforcement agencies to prove that illegal operations on the internet are not immune from detection.”

BPI Chief Executive Geoff Taylor said: “BitTorrent has fast become the most popular file sharing client, and while the technology is now commonplace, closed criminal networks such as OiNK take time to develop; make no mistake, this operation will cause major disruption to this illegal activity.

“The government is now well aware of the scale of damage this theft causes to music – copyright theft starves the creative industries of income, which both threatens future investment in artists and vandalises our culture.

“That this individual now faces criminal charges will deter some but no doubt others will be looking move into this territory, and the authorities must keep up the pressure to deter the digital freeloaders.”

[CiS]

Sad, sad day for music lovers.... I was wondering why all my torrents had stopped and why I couldn't get to the site. This sucks

[Potato]

Dammit.


.

[thepuzzler]

W.T.F.

And I thought my RSS feeds had just gone down.

Shit shit shit.

Hope Alan makes it out ok from all this.

[HelenaP]

GottDAm*ITT!
Who paid to join? Who had to prove anything other than to the one inviting them?
That's some of the most inaccurate reporting I have ever read!

(((((((AUGH!!!!)))))))

I'm going now...I am becoming disturbed.
Grrrrrr...

[thepuzzler]

They are a lot of inaccuracy's as Helena pointed out, but you would have at least thought they would have got the domain correct!


Up to 180,000 people were members of the private www.oink.co.uk website.

I also think it's wrong that the IFPI are making OiNK out to be a pay-to-leech site.

[abrecords]

it's impossible to believe.. the greatest loss for music lovers in years... not fare.. in my opinion those forced this investigation got it all wrong.. OiNK is not about piracy and illegal stuff.. it's about loving music, caring for it.. it's a community for which music is one of the most important things (hobbies, you call it..) in life.. hopefully the way out will be found..

[thepuzzler]

I wonder where the 180,000 strong exodus will end up?

[mountain_rage]

I wonder how many years it will take to see the big 4 get chiseled down to the point where they no longer have the collective power to force their views on the world. Because well all know politics won't change and politicians will continue to be bribed. Yet at the same time its inevitable that under fair practice the music labels will eventually wither due to the lack of any need of a distributor. So unless an artificial need is created they are likely to go the way of the ice salesmen.

[psrst143]

In July the tracker already changed its name from OiNK.me.uk to OiNK.cd due to “legal” issues with their domain registrar. Unfortunately it now seems that the popular private BitTorrent tracker is in bigger trouble.

HOPE THEY GET THE SITE BACK RUNNING AGAIN AND IF IT DOES IT WOUD BE MY DREAM COME TRUE :)

[jam2k]

I fucking don't believe it

[carpefile]

I do. It was pretty well covered that oink had been infiltrated, I guess just nobody worried cause private invite only trackers are so "safe".
I'm sure the 24 yr old owner arrested will stand tough and take the fall to protect his membership though.:icon_salu

In any event the p2p hydra will persevere.:icon_thum

[jam2k]

Well that was my 1st reaction, of course I do believe it. I was just shocked.

We have to understand this is a big hit, not only because they shutdown a damn big site, but for the impact generated on people.

In other words, the message they brought to us is "No one is safe and no one can hide from us, even if you're a public tracker or private".

[BassJunkie84]

it's the start of the end my friends!

FU*KIN' SUCKS!!

[jam2k]

Hmm oink.cd frontpage:



This site has been closed as a result of a criminal investigation by IFPI, BPI,
Cleveland Police and the Fiscal Investigation Unit of the Dutch Police (FIOD ECD) into
suspected illegal music distribution.


A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's
users

[drtoker]

arrrrrrrrrggggg, and I just got back on there too.
Bah!

[jam2k]

They want to scare users ...

[meyou123]

I do. It was pretty well covered that oink had been infiltrated, I guess just nobody worried cause private invite only trackers are so "safe".
I'm sure the 24 yr old owner arrested will stand tough and take the fall to protect his membership though.:icon_salu

In any event the p2p hydra will persevere.:icon_thum

It was reported by the media defender emails that oink was infiltrated. So this is not a surprise ...or it SHOULD NOT be anyway.

They were probably just collecting information to make a bust before they shut it down.

Oh well, p2p will survive. If it survived the original napster breaking up, it can survive anything.

I just WISH they could make a protocol as fast as torrents, but to where you didn't have to have exclusive clubs like this one. Yet still have decent security. Because no one else could ever get in to oink....unless a MIRACLE like the red sea parted or they had a decent site to trade for an invite.

I bet there are gonna be a lot of people feeling ripped off that just traded good invites off to get in to oink!

[RACKnRAIL]

F***ING BLOODY I HAD JUST GOT AN INVITE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE AND I DIDNT EVEN REGISTER :(

I HAD RECIEVED AN INVITE FOR OINK AND I THOUGHT OF REGISTERING TONIGHT AND THIS BLOODY SHIT HAPPENED.

In July the tracker already changed its name from OiNK.me.uk to OiNK.cd due to “legal” issues with their domain registrar. Unfortunately it now seems that the popular private BitTorrent tracker is in bigger trouble.

HOPE THEY GET THE SITE BACK RUNNING AGAIN AND IF IT DOES IT WOUD BE MY DREAM COME TRUE :)

Fucking caps typing is so annoying. I know I am not the only person that hates when ppl type in caps. You can make your point just fine without it.

Back on topic: This is the worst news I have heard since Suprnova (the original) went down. This sucks so bad.

I guess I would like to try E**** if i can find an someone nice enough to invite me. I love my music and oink will be very hard to replace with one tracker alone.

RIP

[lezwez]

NONONO Where will i get my music from now these stupid police or who ever they are go and catch the real criminals not the people who just want to enjoy a little music yadda yadda not everyone enjoy music yadda yadda heard it before the majority of people just download to enjoy the music.

this is a big loss i have nothing to compair this to oink where will my music come from now all those nice flac musics and albums p2p i guess. copy rights people we hate you go catch and pedo and hang him instead of letting them lose on the streets 6 months later to reoffend again and say opps he was ok

[carinio]

the police do what they have to do.. all good torrents are in the view of the police.. happend to torrentspy, to demonoid, to oink.. be aware

[lezwez]

the police do what they have to do.. all good torrents are in the view of the police.. happend to torrentspy, to demonoid, to oink.. be aware

Lets hope they bounce back i think this is the second time now oink has been closed the first time im not sure why they changed we pages i think it was due to isp issues

[BassJunkie84]

Lets hope they bounce back i think this is the second time now oink has been closed the first time im not sure why they changed we pages i think it was due to isp issues

You said this is the second time this has happened. How long was the site down for last time & was everyones accounts still active?

[thepuzzler]

The first time it 'happened', was because of DNS / Domain issue. Completely different.

[dragontao]

The police are in the music and film industries pockets because so many politicians have a slice of the pie, either by hidden directorships or backhanders to protect the inudustry by stopping the golden goose from being slaughtered.

The authorities will never admit that the public are continuously ripped off by the entertainment industry and will never do anything about it because every pound or dollar we save, they lose their cut in tax.

A man can attack a war hero pensioner on the tube and blind him in one eye and get let off with a suspended sentence, but dare to share a bit of music and you are number one on the wanted list.

Now my blood is boiling, I need blood pressure pills.

[carinio]

Lets hope they bounce back i think this is the second time now oink has been closed the first time im not sure why they changed we pages i think it was due to isp issues

but it is the first time that the admin get arrested :icon_pira

[Yibbles]

A very sad day indeed.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Don't act surprised. It had to happen some time.

[jam2k]

GottDAm*ITT!
Who paid to join? Who had to prove anything other than to the one inviting them?
That's some of the most inaccurate reporting I have ever read!



They're lying of course. They probably want to show court that staff were doing business selling music.

Make appear like donations were actually payments for downloading music.

[HelenaP]

NONONO Where will i get my music from now these stupid police or who ever they are go and catch the real criminals not the people ...

this is a big loss ...copy rights people we hate you go catch and pedo and hang him instead of letting them lose on the streets 6 months later to reoffend again and say opps he was ok

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/shell63/hystericwz8.gif
Bah!!
Frickin EvilBa$tards.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/shell63/riaanonuts.jpg

Need more music is what they need...
and to be tied up to the point of NOMO, with dental floss and...
shot full of methamphetamine...
and...http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/shell63/hystericwz8.gif
grrrrr...
dam*, dam*, dam*, dam*...

[Zombieman123]

*hugs his demonoid membership, and soulseek*
Oh well, it was bound to happen, just sucks because my information is in the site,lol.

[manakazero]

*hugs his demonoid membership, and soulseek*
Oh well, it was bound to happen, just sucks because my information is in the site,lol.

Amen, hopefully all that happens is that the site stays down and the former users are OK. Do they really want us to hate the music industry even more than we do now? Damn the infiltrators! But oh well, it was bound to happen with 180,000 users.

[jam2k]

In response to what has happened to Oink today , Torrent Leech have totally disabled invites and revoked all current invites. Better safe than sorry i suppose.

"Registrations through invitations are disabled indefinitely. The invite system is disabled too, and all invitations sent and not used are revoked and cancelled. Please don't send us emails or contact support to ask them when invites are going to be open again, or to beg for ways to let your friends in. We simply don't know when we will allow new users to come in and we will ignore any email regarding this matter."



Stupid move if you ask me ...

[MoonMan]

I can't help but laugh at all of the people who came here in droves trying to get invites to private trackers because, besides content wise, how "safe" they were.

Still, it is a sad day for file sharing.

[zoryx]

admins should take care....we cant afford loosing all good trakers

[HelenaP]

Check this out
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QuwwMZKYxag


ugh.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb216/michepp/evil-monkey.jpg

[rainbowdemon]

What's with all the doomsday shit? We all know 6 more will spring up to take it's place!!

[drtoker]

yea, but 6 puney sites does not equal oink. Oink was the best place, with a huge selection of lossless and mp3 music. I've found everything i've ever looked for on Oink, and thats saying something!

[Mels_Smileys45]

Time to dig up my old posts to say I told ya............ nah, now is not the time. Seems things are being stepped up lately. Lets hope the users are kept safe this time.

[randomguy132]

Check this out
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QuwwMZKYxag

I love misinformation...

[jam2k]

http://enjoys.it/2007/10/23/some-facts-and-some-rumors-about-the-oink-takedown/

[lezwez]

As i said i did not know what the first issue was somebody here stated it was a dns issue i have no idea what that is but i thought they had problems with the isp due to their content obiously not then when they changed from oink me to oink cd

the doomsday is there is no other music site around comparied to oink i have two others i am a member off but i have downloaded just 400/500mb from each which shows its lack of content on oink i had over 50gb for me friends and family shared out albums what ever all of which is listened to.

If you could point me in the right direction to a place as good as oink i would gladly join the community the other site im a member off only have the odd rnb and led zeppelin album which i heard 1000s of times frankly i dont like rap music which these sites are full of oink had the lot to please everybodys needs

If anyone is in the uk and listens to bbc radio one london oink made the radio :icon_thum i wonder if it makes the papers or cnn they said they were planning the raids for one month o dear poor guy

[manakazero]

If you could point me in the right direction to a place as good as oink i would gladly join the community...

Yeah I don't think anything else will equal oink anytime soon. Even their sister site indietorrents is shut for invites now. So is torrentleech as already mentioned (limited music though). STMusic looks promising, a smaller but growing site. Open sign-ups currently.

[jam2k]

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-admin-released-from-custody-071023/

[IshareManyFilez]

I am speechless, this is the most devastating blow to bittorrent since the fall of supernova. Like Napster, there will almost surely never be a music site that rivals Oink in terms of quality and quanitity. After working hard to accrue an invite and a decent share ratio, I have really taken the site for granted. No where else could I find rare remixes, live albums, and even pre-releases all in one place, none the less with unreal speeds. I guess it's back to Newsgroups for me, until another goliath like Oink comes back into the light.

R.I.P Oink

[lezwez]

People paying a subscrtion in order to gain access and download it's music now that's news to me also typical bbc lies

[Zombieman123]

People are giving oink way too much credit,lol. I mean sure, it was a great tracker but you're all acting like thats the only place for music when theres a whole lot of alternatives.

[Sonny Burnett]

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2697/uroinkzyf3.jpg

[lezwez]

People are giving oink way too much credit,lol. I mean sure, it was a great tracker but you're all acting like thats the only place for music when theres a whole lot of alternatives.


Would you point that out to me then please i'm looking for the same standards and quality of music that oink had


http://torrentfreak.com/oink-investigation-seeks-identities-and-activities-of-users-071023/

[Jared Moya]

OiNK Memorial Site Goes Online

(http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/../news/9070/OiNK+Memorial+Site+Goes+Online) "10/23 Never Forget" has a communique from the Admin who says he's "out and ok," and sports a collection of videos ranging from the actual raid itself to to fan art appears online to remember the BitTorrent community's favorite music site and how much it will be missed.

It's been a long day for music fans in the BitTorrent community with news that the admin of OiNK had been arrested and the servers seized in simultaneous raids conducted in Middleborough, England, and Amsterdam in the Netherlands.

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9070/OiNK+Memorial+Site+Goes+Online


http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h187/soulxtc/new%20pics/bgimageoink.jpg (http://oinkmemorial.blogspot.com/)

[sumtingwong]

On the bright side, we won't have people begging for Oink invites anymore.

I'm sure glad Indietorrents doesn't trade any RIAA music. They shouldn't have anything to worry about.

[wanchoo]

This is what BBC says:

Huge pirate music site shut down

British and Dutch police have shut down a "widely-used" source of illegally-downloaded music.

A flat on Teesside and several properties in Amsterdam were raided as part of an Interpol investigation into the members-only website OiNK.

The UK-run site has leaked 60 major pre-release albums this year alone, said the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI).

A 24-year-old man from Middlesbrough was arrested on Tuesday morning.

'Extremely lucrative'

The IT worker was led from his home in the town's Grange Road and is being questioned on suspicion of conspiracy to defraud and infringement of copyright law.

At the same time his employer - a large multi-national company - and his father's home were also raided.

A Cleveland Police spokesman said: "This extremely lucrative and creative scheme consisted of a private file-sharing website being set up. Membership was by invitation only.

"The site allowed the uploading and downloading of pre-release music and media to thousands of members."

An IFPI spokesman said: "Once an album had been posted on the OiNK website, the users that download that music then passed the content to other websites, forums and blogs, where multiple copies were made.

"Within a few hours of a popular pre-release track being posted on the OiNK site, hundreds of copies can be found further down the illegal online supply chain."

The site's servers, based in Amsterdam, were seized in a series of raids last week.
It followed a two-year investigation by music industry bodies the IFPI and the British Phonographic Industry (BPI).

[Andrew110]

God dammit! Oink was my favorite torrent site by far!

[Excrement_Cranium]

On the bright side, we won't have people begging for Oink invites anymore.

I'm sure glad Indietorrents doesn't trade any RIAA music. They shouldn't have anything to worry about.

You should read more of the threads around here. I'm not going to dig it up, but the RIAA will sue people for downloading/uploading music by artists they don't even represent.


They see themselves as some kind of digital-frontier lynch mob.

[negatyve]

Goodbye OiNK's Pink Palace. Though I never uploaded much I would always seed for others to download. They downloaded you into fame. They bogged down your DNS and made you change your domain.

And it seems to me that oink's website was like a candle in the wind. Always sharing, never knowing when the cops would bust in. And I would have liked to seed more, but I didn't have the bandwidth. Your servers went down long before my ratio ever did.

[w31n3r]

This is bound to happen everytime users become over dependant on a single source for consumption. oink's become a victim of its own fame, if it kept a lower profile, it'd be just fine today. now they got the servers, and worse, the users info...so much for the safety of exclusive private trackers.

This sends out a clear message to everyone, private trackers are'nt safer, in fact it could be worse! imagine, oink had you uploading through your balls to maintain a decent ratio, and some members even paid for seed boxes to do this, so if the RIAA/their flunkies decide to charge users for uploading @ $9000 for each song, they have a nice orderly list of users to pick from.

someone (i think Enter8) made a good analogy about one less likely to get a speeding ticket in the rain. but boy, if you do get caught, it'd be a real bitch, cause the cop standing there isn't likely to be in a sunny mood.

maybe its time for us file sharers to go back to the more de-centralized origins of bit torrent. after all, there is safety in numbers. i mean, slower dls is a small price to pay for something you're getting for free in the first place.

in a lighter vein, this is the second disaster coming out of Middlesbrough this year, the first being their football team :icon_prof

[meyou123]

And it seems to me that oink's website was like a candle in the wind. Always sharing, never knowing when the cops would bust in.

Your quote reminded me of "candle in the wind" that Elton john sang at Princess D's funeral.
The ORIGINAL went like this.....
And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who to cling to
When the rain set in


The OINK version would go....
And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind.
Never knowing... where to run to.... when the cops bust in!

[carpefile]

Consider this young grasshoppers.....
Where is the best place to hide a seashell?
On a beach.

Use public trackers.

[meyou123]

Consider this young grasshoppers.....
Where is the best place to hide a seashell?
On a beach.

Use public trackers.



Well public trackers DO have their uses....but a lot of them are very slow. Though not all are bad. Sites like TPB are not bad,but it depends on what you are after.

But I do agree that in a public tracker, it offers more of a "herd" grouping...and therefore it SEEMS to be more safe. But I wonder how "safe"'public trackers really are?

To me, the BT protocol was never intended for the way it is being used. And as such, carries risks of your IP being plastered all over the place.

What is really needed is a protocol that is as fast as BT, but built with security in mind.

[w31n3r]

What is really needed is a protocol that is as fast as BT, but built with security in mind.

what about that chinese one thats supposed to be 50 times faster than BT i read about sometime back? :icon_scra still, i dont think doing something on the net will ever be 100% anonymous, not with the present way the internet is structured, and especially not without a helping hand from our friendly ISPs

these are dark days indeed for the file sharing community.

[jam2k]

Oink's mod Blog: http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/



Edit: A few people have asked me if we logged the IP you snatched things from. The answer is no, we did not log snatch IPs.

Edit 2: This is an important one -- Your passwords do NOT need to be changed, they were stored as salted MD5 hashes. All the authorities have is the hashes. The only way they can get the original passwords is via brute force. The chances of that are slim to none if you followed standard good password practice.


Oink Questions from IRC (http://dot-slash-csc.iblogger.org/oinkfaq.html)

[Excrement_Cranium]

Would someone please write a user-frickin-friendly front-end for freenet?

[carpefile]

Would someone please write a user-frickin-friendly front-end for freenet?
They did. :icon_pira
http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Thaw

[ltev2006]

hehe, OiNK.cd is dead :D and I knew it was coming...

This site has been closed as a result of a criminal investigation by IFPI, BPI,
Cleveland Police and the Fiscal Investigation Unit of the Dutch Police (FIOD ECD) into
suspected illegal music distribution.


A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's
users

to be honest: no regrets at all... OiNK.cd sucked. http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=45654

[Jared Moya]

Tøndel also speculates on who might be prosecuted if the OiNK database is available to police. His thoughts range from suggesting people who upload and downloaded a lot might be in trouble, right through to ‘random individuals’. Or maybe there is another possibility?
Maybe the police don’t have usable lists.


According to the article (http://www.itavisen.no/sak/493810/-___Norge_f%E5r_OiNK-__sak/), a source has stated that the OiNK membership list was not only encrypted, but also equipped with a ’self-destruct’ type mechanism which relied on a regular signal to continue in ‘OFF’ mode.
Although unconfirmed, this situation would be of some comfort to OiNK’s 180,000 members.

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-down-norwegian-bittorrent-trackers-next-071024/

[lezwez]

I read on another fourm that a mod confirmed all users passwords are safe and people should not worry it is encryipted in a md5 hash what ever that means only way to get this info is by brute force whatever this means chances of that are slim to none so need not worry.

there is NO save the oink fund people claiming to take donations to save oink are scammers there is no such thing related to oink at all just a word of warning to people that care and are silly enough to send their cash to save oink.

[shawners]

I got this from MIRC, he made a APPEARANCE which was 725am his time.
<OiNK> Yawg the logs we store aren't enough to inciminate users
* ssv has joined #oink
<MercWorks> <3
* spikeguy has joined #oink
* dex has joined #oink
<Paine> we had logs? <shrug>

ELite got shut down, nothing happend with the USER database or anyone got sued for that matter. It was HOSTED IN THE USA!! SO DOJ and FBI raids took it down which was serious. Recording industry is a CIVIL matter and you wont be sued because their is no logs. There wont be any arrest from this other then oink himself and maybe his top admin. They didnt profit from it as he had a great paying job working with his dad. HE LOST HIS employment because of this and it was HIM and his dad arrested. They took his freaking XBOX!! They are completely clueless. He even said they asked him if he Downloaded any music up to his website. He had some shit taken but he be appearing in court and it be because of DEFRAUD. No one realizes that donations help run a site and keep you from going in the red. They had a forum where you suggest how they can improve the site and they did exactly that. ITS Not another BT SITE gone. . Its a MUSIC lovers dream that is gone. Vast amounts of people who were members were MUSIC journalist, band members, members of a band, and were samplers who worked in the music industry. . IT wasnt PRIMARILY for pre-release albums, most were transcodes and low byte rate.. People who worked in the industry received advance copies and uploaded them there. I dont think anyone can replace oink. Just the user friendly layout was nice, saved searches, able to toggle between so many genres. 1500-2000 torrents added DAILY! Most stuff was over 2-3 years old on the server. But PRIVATE Sites are STILL safe, their safer then public sites. If you uploaded/downloaded as much to a public site, your ass be handed to you by the minions that are known as the music industry.
OINK has changed filesharing for the better, its like your ALL ON the sidelines watching and reading the news.. HE Went out and did shit while you all layed back and dissed it. He gave more to filesharing then any other person out there. 180,000 plus users were using other sites and uploading what they got off oink to other sites that didnt have the diversity as oink had. Before you DISS a private site, remember that they did give more to filesharing then you ever did. You live in a P2P app where you click on your DO NOT SHARE download folder with your limited of 5kb upload rate.. Sharing old stuff that nobody wants and hope it might not get you in trouble. I used ever p2p app there is. The quality and quantity that came out in oink community was PRISTINE! People worked hard to remove the unwanted low byte rate stuff or things with clicks/pops from being poorly ripped. IFPI thought oink was hurting them so badly that they had to lie to get it shut down and are still lieing to the BBC about the truth in all this. It wasnt a PAY 2 LEECh, you didnt have to upload anything, ratios didnt go in effect til you downloaded 10 gigs. And to stay you just had to seed.
I dont think PEOPLE who didnt use oink would understand but.. OINK was more about the PRIVATE cd rips then any other thing. A scene release be put out, and users would go to buy the album and upload it in FLAC, 320cbr, V0-v2 and other formats as well. It had last FM implemented so you can listen to clips of the artist songs. You could search by genres and all the albums was TAGGED NICELY!! Imagine seeing the genre picture before the listing, and it would be listed as ARTIST/ALBUM/YEAR/FORMAT/BYTE RATE.. and it was NICE and clean.
Clicking on a torrent and you can specify what artist are like other artist.. If i was searching Aerosmith it would show me torrents that others downloaded along with this album, or other artist that were similar.
Awesome help forum, help people get past being throttled, clever on the firewall issues, proper cd ripping, and encoding. It was a MUSIC community, not a music store. The most stuff that was seeded and leeched was INDIE bands. People who downloaded it were the ones who went out to buy the album.

[Excrement_Cranium]

That is true... Oink was the most useable site I can think of for finding what you are looking for.


Most of these other sites have broken searches, and broken is being kind.

[psxcite]

They will not go after any of the users. It's not worth the man hours to chase and prosecute users of the site. Stop being paranoid.

[meyou123]

For those worried about oink going after it's users...stop worrying!

That email is absolutely correct as Elite torrents servers were located in the USA.....and they did go over them with a fine tooth comb. But nothing ever came of it. The industry quietly realized that nothing could be used on the logs themselves.

And that was way before anyone thought private sites could be raided. But after loki and elite both got taken down, people now know better. But back then, there were NO measures taken to protect anything, because nothing like that ever happened before to a private BT site.

People are much smarter today about logs and what they can do if their site is ever raided.

Believe me, if they could have used those logs on lokitorrent or elitetorrent...they certianly would have. But nothing ever came of it! No users including large uploaders were sued or put in jail. Only the top people that ran the site got into trouble.

The industry IS good at putting out threats, but they have mostly been empty threats....so stop worrying.

[carpefile]

OK, well guess I'm a stick in the mud worry wart then. There are logs, there are always logs, if not kept by OiNK, then by the hosting provider.
Its a different time than when loki or elite were taken down. The industry has just won a high profile case against a user of a p2p app.
That will definitely embolden them to pursue other users. They also must be realizing the hydra effect of p2p, and know that OiNK's user base will simply move on to other venues.
They have massive resources, and are beginning to recruit technical help from traitorous insiders in the know of how sites operate (TorrentSpy).
I'm definitely not trying to imply that its a fact they will come after OiNK's users, but I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the near future, they do.
I just don't think its wise to completely discount this possibility offhand.

Given time, and they have three years to pursue copyright infringement, encryption can be broken, and cases built against users.
If nothing has happened after three years, then you can say "stop worrying".
Until then, it would be prudent to CYA.

[torrentforum]

GET ALL THE LATEST OiNK UPDATES HERE-----> http://torrentsforum.proboards98.com/index.cgi?board=tnewz&action=display&thread=1193272701

[Mels_Smileys45]

a bunch of nonsense no one will bother to read.....




They have been monitoring this site for 2 years. Some pre release people ARE going to jail. It might be another year before that happens but it will happen. Just face it and dont lie to yourself. They are looking at this as organized crime web ring. If you dont think they are not about to get real serious, you are delusional. They can not allow these sites to keep getting more popular and they can not allow the users to think they are safe as houses by using them.

I told everyone this was going on and everyone (almost) said I was just paranoid. How stupid can you be? I myself, went through this whole bullshit with Lokitorrent, where I was a major player (sort of) and I was scared shitless for a long time. I lived and learned. Thankfully the powers that be screwed that whole raid up and were not able to arrest the power uploaders. The police also learn from their mistakes and this time it looks like they covered all bases. Monitoring for 2 years plus the simultaneous seizers of many parties hardware.

Word of advice, NEVER listen to shawners. I dont know what world he lives in but saying private sites are safe???? WTF??? There are laws now that go beyond civil cases and they are very vague and broad reaching. They can be twisted around your nuts and shoved up your ass if they so wish to do so.There are already people in jail for running them. The next step is arresting people who support them. BT is the worst idea ever for illegal content. Using websites to host links to users is simply stupid.



http://oink.cd/index2.html






This site has been closed as a result of a criminal investigation by IFPI, BPI, Cleveland Police and the Fiscal Investigation Unit of the Dutch Police (FIOD ECD) into suspected illegal music distribution.



A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's users





Many thanks



Keith

[Rozsomak]

http://torrentfreak.com//images/oinkadminmessage.gif

[Unstable1]

They have been monitoring this site for 2 years. Some pre release people ARE going to jail. It might be another year before that happens but it will happen. Just face it and dont lie to yourself. They are looking at this as organized crime web ring. If you dont think they are not about to get real serious, you are delusional. They can not allow these sites to keep getting more popular and they can not allow the users to think they are safe as houses by using them.


what complete rubbish. you're the one who's delusional.

[meyou123]

OK, well guess I'm a stick in the mud worry wart then. There are logs, there are always logs, if not kept by OiNK, then by the hosting provider.
Its a different time than when loki or elite were taken down. The industry has just won a high profile case against a user of a p2p app.
That will definitely embolden them to pursue other users. They also must be realizing the hydra effect of p2p, and know that OiNK's user base will simply move on to other venues.
They have massive resources, and are beginning to recruit technical help from traitorous insiders in the know of how sites operate (TorrentSpy).
I'm definitely not trying to imply that its a fact they will come after OiNK's users, but I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the near future, they do.
I just don't think its wise to completely discount this possibility offhand.

Given time, and they have three years to pursue copyright infringement, encryption can be broken, and cases built against users.
If nothing has happened after three years, then you can say "stop worrying".
Until then, it would be prudent to CYA.


You can believe the sky is falling in all you want to. But I still do not believe that this is ANY different from the loki or elite torrents busts. And like I have said before, the logs will not show enough evidence to bust anyone!

I don't care HOW many massive resources you put out, if a log does not have enough evidence to sue users in the first place...there is no case! It is as simple as that.

Do you actually believe that they did not try their best to get info from the loki and elite busts? They HAD the logs...there WAS no encryption!!! Like I said, if they could have used anything from those logs to sue people they would have.

It does not have anything to do with how encrypted a log is...it has to do with is there enough evidence on there in the first place to even make a case? The loki and elite busts proved there was not. And unless the guy running oink was a total idiot, surely he knew what could happen if his place was ever raided. That is why I don't think they will find anything.

[jam2k]

I don't buy the "Pre-Release menace against recordings" crap ... People can get that anywhere.

Oink's real power was about sharing specific & rare material.

[carpefile]

You can believe the sky is falling in all you want to. But I still do not believe that this is ANY different from the loki or elite torrents busts. And like I have said before, the logs will not show enough evidence to bust anyone!

I don't care HOW many massive resources you put out, if a log does not have enough evidence to sue users in the first place...there is no case! It is as simple as that.

Do you actually believe that they did not try their best to get info from the loki and elite busts? They HAD the logs...there WAS no encryption!!! Like I said, if they could have used anything from those logs to sue people they would have.

It does not have anything to do with how encrypted a log is...it has to do with is there enough evidence on there in the first place to even make a case? The loki and elite busts proved there was not. And unless the guy running oink was a total idiot, surely he knew what could happen if his place was ever raided. That is why I don't think they will find anything.
I don't see anything in my statements that looks chicken littleish, just logical prudence.

Wow! So you've seen the logs then? And concluded in your expert opinion that theres not enough evidence there to pursue anyone? How about the db's (which they also have btw)?
Think there might be something in those?

In the cases of loki and elite, the scare was they were after the users, but it turned out they were only after the site ops. That may turn out to be true here too, but I doubt it.

I just think its a dumbass move to dismiss the possibility of action against the membership as ridiculous.

but hey, you believe what you wanna believe.
You don't
have
to live like a refugeeeee.:icon_rr:

[Mels_Smileys45]

You can believe the sky is falling in all you want to. But I still do not believe that this is ANY different from the loki or elite torrents busts. And like I have said before, the logs will not show enough evidence to bust anyone!

I don't care HOW many massive resources you put out, if a log does not have enough evidence to sue users in the first place...there is no case! It is as simple as that.

Do you actually believe that they did not try their best to get info from the loki and elite busts? They HAD the logs...there WAS no encryption!!! Like I said, if they could have used anything from those logs to sue people they would have.

It does not have anything to do with how encrypted a log is...it has to do with is there enough evidence on there in the first place to even make a case? The loki and elite busts proved there was not. And unless the guy running oink was a total idiot, surely he knew what could happen if his place was ever raided. That is why I don't think they will find anything.


Do you really think the police are so stupid as to not learn from their past mistakes? Why do you think they let it go on for two years? They have monitored the site that long for a reason. Look how they scooped up everything at once. Simply stating (meyou, you should know better!) that because something didnt happen before, it wont happen now is foolish. Go bury your head in the sand. Its funny yet sad how the scared people want so bad to feel all safe and well when I know, I know they are anything but. Ive been there. If they are not worried then they are simple minded.

There is a criminal investigation ongoing involving the pre release CD's. IF you posted a pre, youre fucked.

Ive always gave the straight dope on this sorta subject and as of yet Ive not been wrong. Yeah, it took two years for my comments to come true but its happened and so will everything else I posted. Why live in denial? Unless the pre release people took huge steps in hiding their identity before posting such material to a website they need to go ahead and get a lawyer.





I don't care HOW many massive resources you put out, if a log does not have enough evidence to sue users in the first place...there is no case! It is as simple as that.


Are you high right now? Have you not been paying attention lately? If they have been monitoring users on a daily bases Im sure they have kept up with whos been doing what. They dont have to prove much anyhow. If you followed the recent court case then you know they can get away with saying they could have done "fill in the blank" and win a case. DO you believe your sig or is that a joke?



hey carpefile, WTF is wrong with these people?

[thepuzzler]

Mels, the police weren't monitoring it for two years, it was three months.

Just one of the many incorrect statements to come out of the initial press releases:

Other things the press got wrong

That the site had movies
His employer's details
That OiNK was strictly a subscription-based paid membership

[carpefile]

Right, the police were only in on it the last 3 months. IFPI has been on it for 2 years.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003663678

BTW meyou, check that article out against my "chicken little" post. There may be some pieces of sky dropping soon.

Ya know what? I don't even wanna do this back and forth thing. I personally couldn't care, I don't belong to ANY private trackers.
Actually I guess I should kinda be grateful in a way, all you secure private tracker guys are like a buffer for paranoid freaks like me.

cheers.

[GuyFawks]

TT... will not fall. You know why? Because it was hard to get in before hand! Lets see... 9K users you have to be a member for a year before you get invites and only then once a month. TT will be around for a long time. All the admin and uploader data is in volatile ram so when the servers power go, there goes the data. Everything else is encrypted. They got nothing. I bet now sites are making backups and putting them elsewhere in case a disaster happens.

[w31n3r]

In the cases of loki and elite, the scare was they were after the users, but it turned out they were only after the site ops. That may turn out to be true here too, but I doubt it.

I just think its a dumbass move to dismiss the possibility of action against the membership as ridiculous.

but hey, you believe what you wanna believe.
You don't
have
to live like a refugeeeee.:icon_rr:

exactly, this is a major coup for copyright advocates and i feel it's likely they'll press home the advantage. obviously, they won't go after 180,000 people, but i'd be worried if i was a power uploader, and living in the UK. the IFPI seems to have the establishments support (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7059881.stm) as well, and it'd be just a matter of time. a loss like this hurts us all, but living in a state of denial won't change reality.

i'm not a technical guy, but i do know that it's pretty much impossible to remain anonymous on the internet, and all our ISPs will have some kind of record with them. if they have access to databases, a few court orders will have ISPs singing like red breasted robins in heat.

incidentally, if it's uploaders they're after, i'm surprised no ones' mentioned fake clients as a valid form of defense...yes, databases may show you having uploaded tons of stuff, and the site may run scripts against it, but it's still not impossible, especially if site admins tow the line to save their users. this is a dark side to file "sharing", but users can easily say they've been cheating the whole time, and blow the case against them apart.

why hasn't anyone explored this option as a valid defense argument before?

[GuyFawks]

exactly, this is a major coup for copyright advocates and i feel it's likely they'll press home the advantage. obviously, they won't go after 180,000 people, but i'd be worried if i was a power uploader, and living in the UK. the IFPI seems to have the establishments support (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7059881.stm) as well, and it'd be just a matter of time. a loss like this hurts us all, but living in a state of denial won't change reality.

i'm not a technical guy, but i do know that it's pretty much impossible to remain anonymous on the internet, and all our ISPs will have some kind of record with them. if they have access to databases, a few court orders will have ISPs singing like red breasted robins in heat.

incidentally, if it's uploaders they're after, i'm surprised no ones' mentioned fake clients as a valid form of defense...yes, databases may show you having uploaded tons of stuff, and the site may run scripts against it, but it's still not impossible, especially if site admins tow the line to save their users. this is a dark side to file "sharing", but users can easily say they've been cheating the whole time, and blow the case against them apart.

why hasn't anyone explored this option as a valid defense argument before?


Actually it is. Look at darknet. Hell i can goto starbucks and steal their wifi and no-one will be able to track me. TOR is good and if you chain and bounce through different ips, it will become so difficult to track you, they won't bother. If you were making smut child pornography for example, EVERYONE will drop EVERYTHING to get you and punish you. But if your a member of a torrent site, they wont.

And another thing, if something gets shut down, people will flock to something else. Newsgroups, IRC and FXP boards have been around for years and no-one has yet been busted.

[meyou123]

Do you really think the police are so stupid as to not learn from their past mistakes? Why do you think they let it go on for two years

Look, I never said they could not learn from their mistakes. But if you believe everything the media mafia puts out on news reports,you are just as gullible and stupid as the people who believe that making a backup copy is stealing!


They have monitored the site that long for a reason. Look how they scooped up everything at once. Simply stating (meyou, you should know better!) that because something didnt happen before, it wont happen now is foolish. Go bury your head in the sand.

You should also know better Mel! Not everything the media mafia says is going to happen. They lie to the gills all the time in their statements to the public and YOU want to act like what they say is the gospel truth. Frankly, I think you are LOOKING for the sky to fall in. Maybe it is you that need to get your head out of the ground and realize that NOT EVERYTHING the media mafia says is true! Especially when it comes to these busts! You should know by now how they want to make a mountian out of a molehill. Go ahead and believe it if you want to, but I don't think there is anything to it. We'll see who is right as time goes on.


Its funny yet sad how the scared people want so bad to feel all safe and well when I know, I know they are anything but. Ive been there. If they are not worried then they are simple minded.

There is a criminal investigation ongoing involving the pre release CD's. IF you posted a pre, youre fucked.

I do not have a dog in this fight. If they ALL get sued, it won't affect me. I don't have an oink account...never have...so it puzzles me what the hell you are going on about "scared people"!

But people like you, who spread fear without knowing what will happen are crazy! Again, the media mafia crows about a LOT of things, but usually their bark is much less than their bite! Your chances of getting sued by the industry are less than getting hit by lightning. and when I start to SEE people getting sued over pre's then I will say that they have changed and learned. But again, you have to have proof to sue someone! Logs are not going to be enough. So if they are going to be successful in their prosecutions, they had better have the evidence to get it done. I am not saying it is impossible, but from what I see, the busts are going EXACTLY as the loki and elite busts in the US.


Ive always gave the straight dope on this sorta subject and as of yet Ive not been wrong. Yeah, it took two years for my comments to come true but its happened and so will everything else I posted. Why live in denial? Unless the pre release people took huge steps in hiding their identity before posting such material to a website they need to go ahead and get a lawyer.

Only in your MIND do you THINK you know everything. To me, you are just a pompus ass. And again we will see if what you say is true or not. For the last time, I am not saying it cannot happen, but chances are that the authorities got what they wanted..,the owner arrested and the site shut down.


Are you high right now? Have you not been paying attention lately? If they have been monitoring users on a daily bases Im sure they have kept up with whos been doing what. They dont have to prove much anyhow. If you followed the recent court case then you know they can get away with saying they could have done "fill in the blank" and win a case. DO you believe your sig or is that a joke?

Are you an idiot? Do you have to put someone down because they don't believe what you say? TOUGH SHIT! I do go to SEVERAL file sharing sites and have been on zeropaid a long time, so don't pull this "I know more than you" crap on me! Cause it ain't gonna work! I know how the media mafia lies....been reading their lies for a very long time. But people like you seem to want to believe everything they say when it comes to a bust like this. Go on and believe it then. But until I see some concrete evidence of uploaders for pre's, being sued and NOT some idiot for the media mafia saying they are going to sue them. I will still think they are talking trash!


hey carpefile, WTF is wrong with these people?

What the fuck is wrong with you ? Again, I didn't agree with what you said, so you flame me. You can go to hell for all I care.

[slavik19]

i know people that bought the invites for like 50 bucks bad !

sucks for music lovers

[shawners]

Trent Reznor was a member of oink, you can read it here.
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/10/trent_reznor_and_saul_williams.html

Confirmed what I already knew and believe. OINK wasnt about the mp3. It was about the Music. And there are/were a lot of people that had groups/bands and was a part of oink to distribute their stuff. Even music journalist leak what albums they got just because they thought it was good enough to share.

[Pamela69]

I don't want to take sides on this issue,...it seems to be very emotive....

Two years ago Microsoft came knocking on my door,...cause of the fact that
I was shareing on Direct Connect the then precursor to Vista...ie LONGHORN..

Now I bet any of you guy's would shit in your pants if that happened to you...lol

You want to know what the outcome was......????

[evilmegaman]

I don't want to take sides on this issue,...it seems to be very emotive....


Two years ago Microsoft came knocking on my door,...cause of the fact that
I was shareing on Direct Connect the then precursor to Vista...ie LONGHORN..

Now I bet any of you guy's would shit in your pants if that happened to you...lol

You want to know what the outcome was......????

Not really.

[Pamela69]

Not really.


Lol....thats Cool

[evilmegaman]

Lol....thats Cool

you made my words fat and rosy. I hope you're proud of yourself :devil2

[Pamela69]

you made my words fat and rosy. I hope you're proud of yourself :devil2



For a pissant Moderator can u tell us why you're behaving like your shit don't stink.....

[evilmegaman]

OH it is SO on! I have been getting most of the spammers lately you know! Right now the spam hammers have been falling in this order: ME, TATERS, LOTD.


Then everybody else. Moneoa would be next I think.


pissant is such an uncool word.


this means war!

[RACKnRAIL]

Look, I never said they could not learn from their mistakes. But if you believe everything the media mafia puts out on news reports,you are just as gullible and stupid as the people who believe that making a backup copy is stealing!



You should also know better Mel! Not everything the media mafia says is going to happen. They lie to the gills all the time in their statements to the public and YOU want to act like what they say is the gospel truth. Frankly, I think you are LOOKING for the sky to fall in. Maybe it is you that need to get your head out of the ground and realize that NOT EVERYTHING the media mafia says is true! Especially when it comes to these busts! You should know by now how they want to make a mountian out of a molehill. Go ahead and believe it if you want to, but I don't think there is anything to it. We'll see who is right as time goes on.



I do not have a dog in this fight. If they ALL get sued, it won't affect me. I don't have an oink account...never have...so it puzzles me what the hell you are going on about "scared people"!

But people like you, who spread fear without knowing what will happen are crazy! Again, the media mafia crows about a LOT of things, but usually their bark is much less than their bite! Your chances of getting sued by the industry are less than getting hit by lightning. and when I start to SEE people getting sued over pre's then I will say that they have changed and learned. But again, you have to have proof to sue someone! Logs are not going to be enough. So if they are going to be successful in their prosecutions, they had better have the evidence to get it done. I am not saying it is impossible, but from what I see, the busts are going EXACTLY as the loki and elite busts in the US.



Only in your MIND do you THINK you know everything. To me, you are just a pompus ass. And again we will see if what you say is true or not. For the last time, I am not saying it cannot happen, but chances are that the authorities got what they wanted..,the owner arrested and the site shut down.



Are you an idiot? Do you have to put someone down because they don't believe what you say? TOUGH SHIT! I do go to SEVERAL file sharing sites and have been on zeropaid a long time, so don't pull this "I know more than you" crap on me! Cause it ain't gonna work! I know how the media mafia lies....been reading their lies for a very long time. But people like you seem to want to believe everything they say when it comes to a bust like this. Go on and believe it then. But until I see some concrete evidence of uploaders for pre's, being sued and NOT some idiot for the media mafia saying they are going to sue them. I will still think they are talking trash!



What the fuck is wrong with you ? Again, I didn't agree with what you said, so you flame me. You can go to hell for all I care.

Nice to see more positive interacting with other ZP members, as usual.

[meyou123]

Nice to see more positive interacting with other ZP members, as usual.

Nice to see you still trolling. I guess you don't have anything better to do than stick your nose in other peoples business.

[SeaPlankton]

I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.I know.

[RACKnRAIL]

Nice to see you still trolling.

you're the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. the sad fact is you just don't seem to ever get along with people, but that's mainly due to the fact that you just spout off absolute uninformed twaddle. My dog has a higher IQ than you do.