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Sockfulloflove
November 26th, 2002, 05:26 PM
A Danish anti-piracy organization mailed invoices to people suspected of illegally trading files using peer-to-peer networks, demanding compensation for downloading copyrighted materials off the Internet, an attorney for the group said Tuesday.

The Danish Anti-Piracy Group (APG) identified 150 people suspected of illegally downloading files and asked them to pay a combined $133,600, said Morten Lindegaard, an attorney for the group. The biggest file-swappers face a bill of $13,360.

"We are demanding full payment for the use of these copyrighted materials," Lindegaard said.

The APG has worked with the Danish branch of music trade body International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, in an effort to crack down on online piracy. The decision to seek compensation for downloads opens up a controversial new front in copyright holders' ongoing campaign to curb consumer piracy on the Internet, a phenomenon blamed for a decline in CD sales and an upswing in the free trade of video games, computer software and video games.

The tactic is drawing protests from some technical and legal experts who insist that without the individuals' computers it's impossible to prove the existence of copyright violations. Others question the size of the bills.

"In this case, we're talking about compensation for the damage the Anti Piracy Group claims its members have suffered. It's the courts that decide the amount of compensation to be paid due to copyright infringement, not the victim," said Martin von Haller Groenbaek, a Danish attorney specializing in IT law.

Kazaa, eDonkey in crosshairs
In each case, the Danish users were accused of downloading copyrighted materials from file-sharing networks Kazaa and eDonkey, two popular peer-to-peer networks in Denmark, Lindegaard said.

Lindegaard, 29, and his helpers--four Danish university students--developed a software program that monitored Danish file swappers on the two perr-to-peer networks, honing down to the users' Internet Protocol, or IP, address to confirm they were logged on from Denmark.

The program also traced the files shared and the time at which they were downloaded. After reviewing the evidence, a judge ordered the users' Internet service providers to pass on the billing addresses of those suspected of the downloading activity.

In each case, those suspected of the downloading first learned they were being investigated when they received a bill in the mail, which began arriving late last week.

A representative for the Danish Consumer Council said the organization received roughly 50 complaints from the fined individuals. After an initial investigation, the council determined the APG complied with local data protection laws, the representative said.

Students, professionals involved
Lindegaard said the accused range from high school students to professionals. They downloaded materials ranging from Eminem songs to the latest "Star Wars" film to the video game "Grand Theft Auto." "The top 10 computer games, music and movies--it's all there," Lindegaard said.

The alleged illegal file-traders were billed based on the amount of files they shared. For a single music file, they were charged $2.67; $26.70 for a movie and approximately $50 for a video game, Lindegaard said. But technical experts threw into question the fairness of the bill, pointing to the fact that copyrighted material from time to time is distributed for free across the Internet in a legitimate manner.

For example, major record labels allow people to download select songs from new album releases off the Web. The tracks typically expire after a period, but in some cases the deactivated track may still appear on a person's hard drive.

To make matters more confusing, the labels, movie studios and video game makers have increasingly distributed bogus files on peer-to-peer networks, resembling the genuine article, down to file size and title, to frustrate would-be downloaders.

"How do you know each of these copyrighted materials is illegal? That's the big issue here," said Urs Gattiker, a professor of technology and innovation management at Aalborg University in Denmark.

crackerjacker
November 26th, 2002, 05:38 PM
ah thats kind of intersting they are demanding money for the viewing, and downloading of copy right material, especially since, how can they prove one has the material *in this case copy righted material in there possession*.

point is if u take a screenshot big deal, unless u can prove without a reason that said person was sharing copy right material then it must be presented to these individuals in a set manner.
how can they say this based, on screenshots, what about the rights of indiividuals.

*oh i am sorry not in this day in age* u are considered guilty before even being convicted.
i am sure if they have a justifiable cause to suspect someone of filesharing, then its different.
but p2p filesharing, is not wrong, its sharing.

so the way i see it, these bills hold no water or anything.

rtws*
amos
jfn*
hmmm

hiyawatha
December 2nd, 2002, 04:24 PM
an 'anti-piracy' group!? Jeez, were they BORN with a spoon up their ass?:mellow

Intimidated
December 6th, 2002, 03:53 AM
The internet is so modular, they can not prove that anybody downloads anything.. they can only prove that somebody has downloaded something. Ok, so they can track the IP address.... but, i'm a newbie, and I run an open proxy. No laws against that, are there? ;)

In court, this would fall on its face, if anybody pays the bills then they deserve to get billed ;)