I'm Joining the Army

[soulxtc]

Some of u probably recall my previous inclination to rejoin the military after my girl cheated on me a while back, well her and i have broken up for good, removing my last reason for not reenlisting.

I submitted my package about 3 weeks ago and am still waiting for the magical thumbs up or down, but nonetheless have decided to join the Army.

Yes, the Army.

Am trying to go combat infantry believe it or not, though Combat Medic may still be in the cards depending on whether or not I'd have to do hospital duty.

Bottom line? Am trying to ease the burden on our troops that we all hear so much about. Irregardless of your position on the war or our long term strategy for the region, the fact is that we have people pulling 15mos deployments due to a lack of manpower and I think it's only fair that I lend a hand.

Now, my friends all think I'm crazy, but my physical fitness level is way more than adequate (200 pushups, 100 situps, 20 pullups, and a 2 mile run each day coupled with 2hrs bodyboarding to cool down). I also get to retain my old rank, which is apparently a corporal, but would be sergeant soon enough.

Will update you all as I find out more about what's going on. Sept 30th is my target date so we'll see.

Anyways, take care all...................soulxtc (Jared Alan Moya)

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[thepuzzler]

Good luck matey. Sincerely hope it works out for you.

[cheapprick]

Sincerely hope you do okay because that's some of the worst reasoning I've ever seen.

Do they complete a psychological profile before you're allowed to join?

[w31n3r]

1. if this what you want, i hope you get it, all the best
2. if you are sent overseas, take care of yourself
3. forget the rep in here, you just earned my respect for real

“Do you know what a soldier is, young man? He's the chap who makes it possible for civilized folk to despise war.”

[HelenaP]

Jared, I might get slapped for this, but I am doing it anyway. Please consider the following before you commit-

IF

"...If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone....

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings- nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
...!"

~Rudyard Kipling

[soulxtc]

Sincerely hope you do okay because that's some of the worst reasoning I've ever seen.

Do they complete a psychological profile before you're allowed to join?

olololo.........thx ya "Prick." Have felt guilty for a while now that people are making a daily sacrifice in our name and that I haven't been able to contribute nor lend a hand in sharing the burden.

I've been having some doubts as of late, but I was reminded tonight how many before me have made the sacrifice in serving our country even though it wasn't convenient or practical.

Shit I joined when I was 17, and granted now 32 seems like it should be an age whereby I could look back and say "I did my time," but that does little to ease the burden on our troops deployed abroad.

The bottom line is that our military needs people, and to continue writing it off as somebody else's problem is something I no longer have an excuse to do.

Jared, I might get slapped for this, but I am doing it anyway. Please consider the following before you commit-

Nice poem, but Im not sure I get the point.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Let me come over and kick you in the balls! Damn it man! Damn it damn it damn it! Sorry but damn it! I dont know what else to say so I wont even try.

[HelenaP]

...
Nice poem, but Im not sure I get the point.

Well, the point is; Even though you mention re-enlisting for the most honorable reason, the very first thing you mentioned was the ex-girlfriend.

I just felt it was food for thought in looking to all your qualities and not letting the woman be perhaps the main underlying emotion guiding your thoughts to do it.

By no means was I implying you're not a man, just that you DO seem to have all of the qualities listed in Rudyard's poem...that's all.

Bah! I will edit (done, I left the pertinent lines)
I analyze too much.

[soulxtc]

Well, the point is; Even though you mention re-enlisting for the most honorable reason, the very first thing you mentioned was the ex-girlfriend.

I just felt it was food for thought in looking to all your qualities and not letting the woman be perhaps the main underlying emotion guiding your thoughts to do it.

By no means was I implying you're not a man, just that you DO seem to have all of the qualities listed in Rudyard's poem...that's all.

Bah! I will edit (done, I left the pertinent lines)
I analyze too much.

Well, the only role the ex played is that I was never able to join when we were together. She in fact cried the last time I even broached the subject.

THX for saying that I have the qualities described in Kipling's poem, though Im not sure it's altogether justified, but thank you nonetheless.

It's purely my desire to lend a hand that guides my decision.

[Mr. WIzard]

Jared,

You are certainly picking an interesting time to join the Army. I've read that if you show up for duty within a few days after signing, you can collect an extra $20K bonus. Don't miss out on that! As a taxpayer, I know a tiny fraction of that will come out of my near empty wallet, but as a concerned citizen, I'd rather see people who are outspoken in their ACTIVE support of our Armed Forces get a little extra pay. I may not be gung ho about the war in Iraq, but I do believe that providing a strong national defense is one of the very few things the Federal government is obligated to (and should) do, according to the U.S. Constitution.

If you do end up in Iraq, I wish you the best of luck. I'm a tad too old to sign up, or I would, seeing as how my employment level is currently low. *snicker* Have you thought about a specialty yet? I'd suggest trying to get into sniper school...reach out and touch somebody.

[CiS]

Jared - I wish you the best of luck. I can relate to you 100%. I am ex Army myself and immediately following 9/11 was ready to reinlist. For those of you who have not been in the service I really think you can not understand where he is coming from. I see these young soldiers everyday on TV and I want to be over there with them. It is part of that camaraderie that most civilians will never understand.

I'm sure the girlfriend is not the real reason that he is going back in but just the one that puts it over the top because that was the only thing left holding him here.

Jared - like I said after 9/11 I went down to my local reserve unit (who I know would deploy) and was ready to sign that day. I had just gone over my initial 8 year enlistment so I couldn't just sign on the dotted line. I had to go back and take the ASVAB test again and then I could sign up. Well it gave me sometime to think about it and take a look at my life. I chose not go back active duty because I know had a family and we both had good jobs so I looked at the reserves. I knew the unit I would join would get deployed (and have been 3 times since then), I talked with my then fiance (now wife) about it and I chose not to join back. At this point in my life (34) it just didn't make sense. Do I regret it? Sure, somedays. I really do miss the Army and I would love to be over there fighting and hopefully now leading some of the young troops.

The only advice that I do have for you is to take a look at what type of job you are going back in as. 11B may not be the best route. Not so much because it is Infantry and you may be on the front, but you need to think about what you want to do when you get out. The medical field is booming and if that is something you have an interest in you should go after it. Also unlike when I was in 10-15 years ago there are tons of computer related jobs. Just don't be blinded by today keep your eyes open for 3,5,10 years from now. If you really want to just be in the mix of things sign up as a Military Police. They are probably the most deployed MOS.

Again good luck to you, be safe, and HOOAH!:icon_salu

[soulxtc]

Jared,

You are certainly picking an interesting time to join the Army. I've read that if you show up for duty within a few days after signing, you can collect an extra $20K bonus. Don't miss out on that! As a taxpayer, I know a tiny fraction of that will come out of my near empty wallet, but as a concerned citizen, I'd rather see people who are outspoken in their ACTIVE support of our Armed Forces get a little extra pay. I may not be gung ho about the war in Iraq, but I do believe that providing a strong national defense is one of the very few things the Federal government is obligated to (and should) do, according to the U.S. Constitution.

If you do end up in Iraq, I wish you the best of luck. I'm a tad too old to sign up, or I would, seeing as how my employment level is currently low. *snicker* Have you thought about a specialty yet? I'd suggest trying to get into sniper school...reach out and touch somebody.


THX...yah have 2 MOSs in mind, either combat medic or combat infantry, will have to look into that 20grand, would be nice to get some extra cash.

Jared - I wish you the best of luck. I can relate to you 100%. I am ex Army myself and immediately following 9/11 was ready to reinlist. For those of you who have not been in the service I really think you can not understand where he is coming from. I see these young soldiers everyday on TV and I want to be over there with them. It is part of that camaraderie that most civilians will never understand.

I'm sure the girlfriend is not the real reason that he is going back in but just the one that puts it over the top because that was the only thing left holding him here.

Jared - like I said after 9/11 I went down to my local reserve unit (who I know would deploy) and was ready to sign that day. I had just gone over my initial 8 year enlistment so I couldn't just sign on the dotted line. I had to go back and take the ASVAB test again and then I could sign up. Well it gave me sometime to think about it and take a look at my life. I chose not go back active duty because I know had a family and we both had good jobs so I looked at the reserves. I knew the unit I would join would get deployed (and have been 3 times since then), I talked with my then fiance (now wife) about it and I chose not to join back. At this point in my life (34) it just didn't make sense. Do I regret it? Sure, somedays. I really do miss the Army and I would love to be over there fighting and hopefully now leading some of the young troops.

The only advice that I do have for you is to take a look at what type of job you are going back in as. 11B may not be the best route. Not so much because it is Infantry and you may be on the front, but you need to think about what you want to do when you get out. The medical field is booming and if that is something you have an interest in you should go after it. Also unlike when I was in 10-15 years ago there are tons of computer related jobs. Just don't be blinded by today keep your eyes open for 3,5,10 years from now. If you really want to just be in the mix of things sign up as a Military Police. They are probably the most deployed MOS.

Again good luck to you, be safe, and HOOAH!:icon_salu

Hmm, MPs? Not really concerned about acquiring a skill. Have plenty. :) Though is definitely good advice that Ive said to a few of my buddies who I convinced to join. Already did 5 years prior as a Navy Medic, dont really want to go down that route again.

[CiS]

Check this out for bonuses:

http://www.military.com/recruiting/bonus-center/news/scoop-on-army-enlistment-bonuses

[Potato]

You served in the past right?


Whatever happens, keep us posted. Don't leave us wonderin' what happens to our Jorge-liaison.

(Even though I can't stand about 90% of your posts, I still don't wish ill things on you. Good luck to you, if this is what you really want.)

[cheapprick]

There are other options (http://tinyurl.com/37es46).

Ha, Helena thinks she's the only one that remembers any poetry.

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

[evilmegaman]

Gah! both of my jareds are going into the military! My best best best friend (also named jared) is joining the marines in a few months. And now Jared Moya is joining the army?


Best of luck to you. Stay safe!


Bring back some souvenirs! :icon_salu

[diablofire]

Take care and be safe.

[Hath]

Dude, like many, I don't neccasarily support the war in Iraq, but I do support the troops. If your choice is to join the military, then so be it. We should respect your choice and support you in any way we can. Good luck. When you reenlist, will you be back on the bottom of the rank ladder, or since you have had prior military expirience, will you start higher up? Also, make sure you get that twenty grand bonus! Once again, good luck and take care of your self.

[hawkburn]

As said before, I don't support any type of war, but I do support the troops. Make sure to take care of yourself out there man. Best of luck to you.

[soulxtc]

You served in the past right?


Whatever happens, keep us posted. Don't leave us wonderin' what happens to our Jorge-liaison.

(Even though I can't stand about 90% of your posts, I still don't wish ill things on you. Good luck to you, if this is what you really want.)

Yes I did....6 years....included a stint in the Gulf.

I know we dont always meet eye to eye, but I guarantee you if we met face to face we would get along just fine.

There are other options (http://tinyurl.com/37es46).

Ha, Helena thinks she's the only one that remembers any poetry.

/quote]

What's with all the poetry all of a sudden?

[quote=evilmegaman;508258]Gah! both of my jareds are going into the military! My best best best friend (also named jared) is joining the marines in a few months. And now Jared Moya is joining the army?

Best of luck to you. Stay safe!

Bring back some souvenirs! :icon_salu

THX, and plan on maintaining my blog (http://jaredmoya.blogspot.com/) to stay in touch with family, friends, etc..

Take care and be safe.

THX mucho.

Dude, like many, I don't neccasarily support the war in Iraq, but I do support the troops. If your choice is to join the military, then so be it. We should respect your choice and support you in any way we can. Good luck. When you reenlist, will you be back on the bottom of the rank ladder, or since you have had prior military expirience, will you start higher up? Also, make sure you get that twenty grand bonus! Once again, good luck and take care of your self.

Get to start of at previous rank, E-4, corporal, should make Sergeant within a month or two supposedly. Might go Army Officer depending on how they run their organization. Navy, post-Tailhook, was dog eat dog. Thats why I turned down my commission.

As said before, I don't support any type of war, but I do support the troops. Make sure to take care of yourself out there man. Best of luck to you.

THX

“The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war." - General Douglas MacArthur

[zerotemp]

Bottom line? Am trying to ease the burden on our troops that we all hear so much about. Irregardless of your position on the war or our long term strategy for the region, the fact is that we have people pulling 15mos deployments due to a lack of manpower and I think it's only fair that I lend a hand.


What kind of reasoning is that? If the mafia was having a hard time, would you join them to give them a hand? Would you become a drug addict to give a much needed extra voice to the people who suffer from drug addiction in your country? Would you give yourself AIDS to give the faceless victims of AIDS a face?

This has everything to do with what you think about the war. If you think what USA is doing in Iraq is bad, DON'T JOIN IN ON IT.

You will be attempted killed, and people will hate you all over, for good reason. Your sole job down there will be to force the people of another country to accept a puppet regime instated by USA, which the Bush administration itself isn't even happy with anymore. You will be killing people, every day, who are fighting to liberate their country from occupation, whether they are sunni, shiate or something else entirely. You will be killing fathers, brothers and sons, and quite possible women and children too, and make people hate USA even more.

You will become a murderer for the sake of following orders, so that McDonalds and Halliburton can expand their business.

You should know that you seem to fit the most banal description of someone who enlists for the US Army. A person who's somewhat depressed, and doesn't feel like he has much purpose in life, then decides to be a blind order-follower so that he feels his life has meaning and companionship again.
You'll end up in a world of shit, and make a world of shit for so many others while getting there.

Don't do it.

If you want to help all the soldiers that are down there and can't get out soon enough, become an anti-war activist and help end the damn war, so they can get home.
That's both companionship and self-sacrificing purpose for you. And it's even a good thing to do.

[soulxtc]

You served in the past right?


Whatever happens, keep us posted. Don't leave us wonderin' what happens to our Jorge-liaison.

(Even though I can't stand about 90% of your posts, I still don't wish ill things on you. Good luck to you, if this is what you really want.)

Yes I did....6 years....included a stint in the Gulf.

I know we dont always meet eye to eye, but I guarantee you if we met face to face we would get along just fine.

There are other options (http://tinyurl.com/37es46).

Ha, Helena thinks she's the only one that remembers any poetry.



What's with all the poetry all of a sudden? It reeks of Pam69...(ha ha)

Gah! both of my jareds are going into the military! My best best best friend (also named jared) is joining the marines in a few months. And now Jared Moya is joining the army?

Best of luck to you. Stay safe!

Bring back some souvenirs! :icon_salu

THX, and plan on maintaining my blog (http://jaredmoya.blogspot.com/) to stay in touch with family, friends, etc..

Take care and be safe.

THX mucho.

Dude, like many, I don't neccasarily support the war in Iraq, but I do support the troops. If your choice is to join the military, then so be it. We should respect your choice and support you in any way we can. Good luck. When you reenlist, will you be back on the bottom of the rank ladder, or since you have had prior military expirience, will you start higher up? Also, make sure you get that twenty grand bonus! Once again, good luck and take care of your self.

Get to start of at previous rank, E-4, corporal, should make Sergeant within a month or two supposedly. Might go Army Officer depending on how they run their organization. Navy, post-Tailhook, was dog eat dog. Thats why I turned down my commission.

As said before, I don't support any type of war, but I do support the troops. Make sure to take care of yourself out there man. Best of luck to you.

THX

“The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war." - General Douglas MacArthur

[Boomer The Dog]

I just got back from a live show called Spirit Of America, put on by the Army. It was a history lesson, a musical, and a stage show all in one, great in its perfection and quality, and it made us all think of how much history that the military services have in this country.

I couldn't/wouldn't be a Soldier, but I think it's great that you can stand up in this way for all of us here.

Boomer

[soulxtc]

I just got back from a live show called Spirit Of America, put on by the Army. It was a history lesson, a musical, and a stage show all in one, great in its perfection and quality, and it made us all think of how much history that the military services have in this country.

I couldn't/wouldn't be a Soldier, but I think it's great that you can stand up in this way for all of us here.

Boomer

Forget me, there are cats over there that are only like 17, 18yo doing their time, and that's what makes it so distressing. Nobody in this country seems to care about anything anymore. From the ever escalating wage gap between the rich and the poor to the premeditated destruction of almost our entire manufacturing industry in this country, there is a seemingly endless list of issues that lack any semblance of a rational approach by our elected representatives.

[rainbowdemon]

You're a good man, Jared!!


Seriously.

[Sephiroth]

Good luck and be safe out there.

[soulxtc]

You're a good man, Jared!!


Seriously.

THX. Thought you were just busting my balls until I saw "seriously" :)

Good luck and be safe out there.

Will do.

[meyou123]

Well Soul....I just don't know what to say. But I WILL miss you here on ZP. I really can appreciate your reasons for wanting to go back into the Army, but if I could make a suggestion? Think it over.

I am not saying you haven't or anything....it is just that from what you have told me, you have already served your country in a very honorable way. But if you decide that this is what you really want to do after all, I and everyone here on Zeropaid hope you find what you are looking for and will be pulling for you.

Just stay safe...OK?

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

So what can I say on this? I did my time. 7½ years. I joined for college, not a war. And I narrowly missed being deployed twice. I do not regret it. Had I been on the front lines, so be it. Do what I gotta do. But I will be damned if they're getting me again.

I say it's a completely foolish decision and flawed reasoning. Have you truly lived your life already? Was she everything and now you choose to throw it away? (honestly?) Those "kids" have no idea what they are getting into. Sure it may have been for the money. It may have been for the glory. But it makes little difference when they're dead. Is this being pessimistic? Not entirely. What's the current soldier dead count these days? As soon as you leave CONUS, you may as well prepare your eulogy. That, is a generalization, of course, but pretty damn accurate. Where is the glory in dying at age 17? At 32? Life is short enough as it is. Why increase the chances to cut it down further? We have enough of the real (civilian) world to take risks with.

But who am I, right? This isn't going to change a mind any more than it would change an election. I'd rather have you here posting complete bullshit on an hourly basis than joining and getting deployed. Sure it helps that I know you somewhat. But I would probably be saying the same thing to a n00b with a similar thread.

No excuse matters as to what you're doing. Nothing. The fact is, once you're there, you're playing Russian Roulette. Sure, do your time. Come back, rub it it my face and the others who may disagree. Doesn't change my opinion at all. I'd just say you were lucky. Just as I was.

That was rational me. The compassionate side says good luck. I don't particularly want you to go but, if accepted, just make it back.

[soulxtc]

So what can I say on this? I did my time. 7½ years. I joined for college, not a war. And I narrowly missed being deployed twice. I do not regret it. Had I been on the front lines, so be it. Do what I gotta do. But I will be damned if they're getting me again.

I say it's a completely foolish decision and flawed reasoning. Have you truly lived your life already? Was she everything and now you choose to throw it away? (honestly?) Those "kids" have no idea what they are getting into. Sure it may have been for the money. It may have been for the glory. But it makes little difference when they're dead. Is this being pessimistic? Not entirely. What's the current soldier dead count these days? As soon as you leave CONUS, you may as well prepare your eulogy. That, is a generalization, of course, but pretty damn accurate. Where is the glory in dying at age 17? At 32? Life is short enough as it is. Why increase the chances to cut it down further? We have enough of the real (civilian) world to take risks with.

But who am I, right? This isn't going to change a mind any more than it would change an election. I'd rather have you here posting complete bullshit on an hourly basis than joining and getting deployed. Sure it helps that I know you somewhat. But I would probably be saying the same thing to a n00b with a similar thread.

No excuse matters as to what you're doing. Nothing. The fact is, once you're there, you're playing Russian Roulette. Sure, do your time. Come back, rub it it my face and the others who may disagree. Doesn't change my opinion at all. I'd just say you were lucky. Just as I was.

That was rational me. The compassionate side says good luck. I don't particularly want you to go but, if accepted, just make it back.

I totally respect your opinion bro, probably more so than others in fact, but what it really boils down to is that I'm in a unique position where I can go and help our military out.

Yes, being prior service makes it even more difficult to stomach in a way because I know exactly what Im getting myself into versus the somewhat kinder disposition of being a fresh boot who has no inkling of what is in store for him.

I wouldn't be worried about the casualty rate my friend because look at the annual number of gun-related homicides we have here in this country.

It's not often that we get to make decisions in life that actually make us feel content and satisfied, that demonstrate our capacity for serving the greater good.

[Sephiroth]

I think its soulxtc decision to make, and he shouldn't have to justify it to anyone on this site.

Its sad to see someone here create a fake account just to flame soulxtc and say he will become a murderer like this "zerotemp." I hope that the mods look unto who posted it and expose their real account. Its pretty pathetic to see that this kind of anonymous flaming still goes on and its just considered normal, and nothing gets done about it.

[cheapprick]

It wasn't me, but between that post and LoTD's, I don't really have to get too verbose.

[Atheist Icon]

Being prior military, i applaud you man. I have the same feelings as you and if I could I would be proudly standing next to you. Unfortuanately, since I am collecting a disability check from the VA, no one wants me...and I am only 25.

I know that you will be safe, keep your head down when you should, and you will make it home.

There isn't enough anyone can do to repay ANY military member serving before, now, or after. The only thing I can say is, Thank you.

Atheist Icon

[cheapprick]

Unfortuanately, since I am collecting a disability check from the VA, no one wants me...and I am only 25.


I have never met a person on WELFARE that I didn't hate.

You know, it's only been about 30 seconds and already I forgot the point I had planned to make.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

I think its soulxtc decision to make, and he shouldn't have to justify it to anyone on this site.

It was also his decision to air his choice in a public forum, in which people are entitled to voice their opinions to which he is making a conscious choice to make a justification for. Don't think our main man Jared needs someone fighting his battles.

As far as the flamer/duplicate account, will look into it. Was a complete oversite on my particular behalf, partially due to my narrow vision in preparing my previous response.

[tommygo]

well i wish you well and be careful there are people out there today that they dont care about there own life or yours so watch your back and be safe

[notbob]

what an attention whore. i suppose he expected a throng to appear and toss rose petals at his feet? oh the brave young lad gets dumped by some broad and now he is shuffling of, quite possibly to his death.

i suppose there are much more efficient ways to commit suicide, but at least if you die in iraq a lot more people that don't know who you are will pretend to care

go to college. take out a loan. move somewhere cheap. sure beats living on glorified welfare and dodging IEDs

[rainbowdemon]

You know, it's only been about 30 seconds and already I forgot the point I had planned to make.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste!!

:bom:

[Atheist Icon]

You know, it's only been about 30 seconds and already I forgot the point I had planned to make.

but the difference between welfare and me? I am working 2 jobs, 7 days a weeks, and i am only getting $115 a month from getting hit by a truck while I was in.

Where as welfare started as a hand up, now it is a generational lifestyle. Most of them do not work.

[napho]

The question is are you really serving your country or a small power elite with a financial and power vested interest?
Also, you have no real power over yourself when you're in the military. Your commanders could literally order the troops to kill hundreds of millions of people for reasons you can't comprehend, yet it'd be your duty to kill them, even if you know damn well it's wrong.

[CCSDUDE]

no offense to ya soul but handing your balls over to a bush run system cuz a chick wanted nothing more to do with 'em is pretty fucking crazy

good luck tho stay safe 'n think on YOUR feet not the armys cuz they honestly don't care about people

[Signa]

so my question to you then Soul, who is going to do the news around here?

im seriously going to miss having you around. you are an key part of ZP and its going to be different without you here; kinda like when mels left.

as far as getting killed, just dont do anything stupid and you will be fine. the death toll may be high, but its so retardedly low for a war going on this long. all the other wars would have death tolls in single battles that outweighed ours in this war.

[soulxtc]

What kind of reasoning is that? If the mafia was having a hard time, would you join them to give them a hand? Would you become a drug addict to give a much needed extra voice to the people who suffer from drug addiction in your country? Would you give yourself AIDS to give the faceless victims of AIDS a face?

No offense but this is the DUMBEST SHIT I'VE EVER HEARD......military = mafia? Give myself AIDS? Sheesh fella. :icon_scra

what an attention whore. i suppose he expected a throng to appear and toss rose petals at his feet? oh the brave young lad gets dumped by some broad and now he is shuffling of, quite possibly to his death.

i suppose there are much more efficient ways to commit suicide, but at least if you die in iraq a lot more people that don't know who you are will pretend to care

go to college. take out a loan. move somewhere cheap. sure beats living on glorified welfare and dodging IEDs

Attention whore? Wow, just wanted to say what's up and that if all goes expected we should see another news guy here @ZP. This is the "site announcements section" after all. The only reason my ex entered into the equation is that I have wanted to reenlist for years and she cried every time I brought it up. Now I finally can.

Sorry if you think its anything more than wanting to do my part and help out.

Graduate work? Cheap living? Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Are u really this jaded Notbob?

no offense to ya soul but handing your balls over to a bush run system cuz a chick wanted nothing more to do with 'em is pretty fucking crazy

good luck tho stay safe 'n think on YOUR feet not the armys cuz they honestly don't care about people

Im not handing my balls over to Bush, and its not BECAUSE of my ex, she was merely the last obstacle preventing me from going.

We hear constantly about the Army being strained of resources and manpower, just felt that I finally am able to go and that I should. Can no longer say it's somebody elses problem.

so my question to you then Soul, who is going to do the news around here?

im seriously going to miss having you around. you are an key part of ZP and its going to be different without you here; kinda like when mels left.

as far as getting killed, just dont do anything stupid and you will be fine. the death toll may be high, but its so retardedly low for a war going on this long. all the other wars would have death tolls in single battles that outweighed ours in this war.

News guy? Not sure. Jorge is tossing around a few names, but still waiting to hear back really that my "blue to green" (Navy to Army) package got approved. Should hear back any day now.

And yes, we lost 3,000 men in a single day in ww2(iwo jima), almost as many lost in 4+ years of conflict in Iraq. But, I don't want to get into a debate that.

[CCSDUDE]

soul the 'war' over there isn't a world war and we really shouldn't have let bush do what he did

he did it to pack away cash for his low IQ redneck family and to control 'n spy on us all to his liking

cuz honestly that fucker is like the kid everyone picked on in school who is now trying to get his rocks off while making a nice bed for himself when he gets the boot

fuck iraq fuck his bullshit war on freedom and fuck the assholes who helped him in this game cuz it's sad as fuck to see someone like ya actually think you're doing good there

granted good is stopping the death of innocents but in doing so you'll end up making him more money jacking up gas prices 'n pissing off the loonies who can't see past their own stupid jihad desires

in any case even tho I feel you've done this in part to run from the hurt of being seperated from someone you thought was someone else in the muse of doing right by the USA I hope ya get set on some chill detail and return safe 'n sound

if ya'll so much as come back missing a finger I'm sure a nice lump of ZP members will be out for bush blood or be bitching you out for not listening to the crazy forum people who care about your safety

all in all man be safe just don't do this shit for the wrong reasons and don't accept the shit the forces at large claim is why we're there cuz it ain't

help as many kids as ya can tho... even the skewed ones who believe in that psycho shit haven't had the chance to make up their own minds and as such would be the one future hope you could try to help/save

[Krell]

Come back with your shield, or on it.



Why not take a few TB of media with you? You'll be everyones best friend, and sanity break.

Traveling Terabyte (http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33977/135/)



godspeed





Are u really this jaded Notbob?

fuckin A

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[Mels_Smileys45]

I wish you wouldnt go over there man but do what YOU feel is right. I do not understand it but I dont have to, its your life.

[moneoa]

I will echo Krells Sentiments, me and my brother are some of the first males in the family who have not yet served. Were talking my father and his father. Uncles and cousins.
All of the wars with exception of Iraq have had one of my family members serving.
I dont agree with this war, it's dirty and evil. It has stripped families of thier sons and daughters for no good cause except oil, money and attempted regional influence.

You have though made a choice that not many would have the courage to make.
As long as your reasons are sound to your conscious, none of this dissenting opionion matters. I offer you a prayer for saftey before you walk into that U.S self made hell.

God speed and keep you safe from harm be it bullet or explosive and most importantly keep your center and come back intact in mind and body. You stilll have my emial from when I mailed you about Zps downtime a few weeks ago so keep in touch and try to drop in now and then here to say hey and give an update

[whitenoise22]

You should join the canadian army, we need help.

[soulxtc]

soul the 'war' over there isn't a world war and we really shouldn't have let bush do what he did

he did it to pack away cash for his low IQ redneck family and to control 'n spy on us all to his liking

cuz honestly that fucker is like the kid everyone picked on in school who is now trying to get his rocks off while making a nice bed for himself when he gets the boot

fuck iraq fuck his bullshit war on freedom and fuck the assholes who helped him in this game cuz it's sad as fuck to see someone like ya actually think you're doing good there

granted good is stopping the death of innocents but in doing so you'll end up making him more money jacking up gas prices 'n pissing off the loonies who can't see past their own stupid jihad desires

in any case even tho I feel you've done this in part to run from the hurt of being seperated from someone you thought was someone else in the muse of doing right by the USA I hope ya get set on some chill detail and return safe 'n sound

if ya'll so much as come back missing a finger I'm sure a nice lump of ZP members will be out for bush blood or be bitching you out for not listening to the crazy forum people who care about your safety

all in all man be safe just don't do this shit for the wrong reasons and don't accept the shit the forces at large claim is why we're there cuz it ain't

help as many kids as ya can tho... even the skewed ones who believe in that psycho shit haven't had the chance to make up their own minds and as such would be the one future hope you could try to help/save

Alright IMHO it;s like this, and I hate to digress into politics.

a) Bush (see wiki entry for idiot)
b) Taking out Iraq, THE ONLY SECULAR STATE IN THE MIDDLE EAST and a nice buffer to Iran wasn't exactly the smartest thing to do.
c) Was it all about oil? who knows, but with oil at record prices not likely.

For me it comes down to this. I don't know how may of you have ever served, but it pains me to see this dramatic strain on our troops. We read and hear every day how the Army has a hard time fulfilling its mission at current manpower levels, and that it is doing everything from extended redeployments to extension of service requirements.

I've wanted to help out for a while, not Bush and his obviously failed objectives, but the actual men and women of our armed services on the ground. And it's not in some pansy ass way, Im trying to combat infantry. Yep, at 33 Im going "groundpounder."

Come back with your shield, or on it.



Why not take a few TB of media with you? You'll be everyones best friend, and sanity break.

Traveling Terabyte (http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33977/135/)

godspeed

fuckin A

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THX for the heads up and nice to see my old nemesis again. Hope all is well big guy, and I mean that.

I wish you wouldnt go over there man but do what YOU feel is right. I do not understand it but I dont have to, its your life.

I do . I think in terms of comraderie and helping out, not in terms of Bush or all that weird Rep NEOCON mumbo jumbo.

I will echo Krells Sentiments, me and my brother are some of the first males in the family who have not yet served. Were talking my father and his father. Uncles and cousins.
All of the wars with exception of Iraq have had one of my family members serving.
I dont agree with this war, it's dirty and evil. It has stripped families of thier sons and daughters for no good cause except oil, money and attempted regional influence.

You have though made a choice that not many would have the courage to make.
As long as your reasons are sound to your conscious, none of this dissenting opionion matters. I offer you a prayer for saftey before you walk into that U.S self made hell.

God speed and keep you safe from harm be it bullet or explosive and most importantly keep your center and come back intact in mind and body. You stilll have my emial from when I mailed you about Zps downtime a few weeks ago so keep in touch and try to drop in now and then here to say hey and give an update

THX man. Will most likely use my blog to keep people up to date, but Im sure I'll be in here from time to time checking things out and saying hello.

You should join the canadian army, we need help.

Canada has an army? :P I bet they got great food though. When I was in the Navy we all heard crazy tales about the awesome pay and great food that our cousins to the North had.

[Mr. WIzard]

As a computer consultant, I've learned over the years that the office staff in almost any company probably has a better idea of what the real problems are than management does. I suspect that might be true for the grunts in Iraq. What do we need to do to resolve the conflict in Iraq? I seriously doubt that most of the people in Iraq hate the U.S. They probably don't care much about us one way or the other. I'd like to see more public reports from the troops who are training Iraq's new police force. My guess is that they would say we are solving the wrong problem.

[SeaPlankton]

They give you amphetamines to get johhnny foreigner at night. But when you get back you can have a party, so that's OK.

[Mr. WIzard]

They give you amphetamines to get johhnny foreigner at night. But when you get back you can have a party, so that's OK.

What happened to aimed fire? You should not shoot indiscriminately. When you pick a target, you should intend to destroy it. But you should pick it first.

Amphetamines are not a good thing to be on in combat. They make you hyper, edgy, unpredictable. If you must do drugs while shooting, try downers....you might stay steadier on target. I'd just avoid the drugs if at all possible.

The party part is right out. I know too much about booze. If I want to be able to save my ass or someone else's, I'd rather not be drunk.

[soulxtc]

As a computer consultant, I've learned over the years that the office staff in almost any company probably has a better idea of what the real problems are than management does. I suspect that might be true for the grunts in Iraq. What do we need to do to resolve the conflict in Iraq? I seriously doubt that most of the people in Iraq hate the U.S. They probably don't care much about us one way or the other. I'd like to see more public reports from the troops who are training Iraq's new police force. My guess is that they would say we are solving the wrong problem.

The REAL problem started way back when the British defeated the Turks and decided to create this totally new nation called Iraq that combined three distinct cultural and religious communities without their consent.

The French have it right in that some countries' consciousnesses haven't developed enough as a society to demand democracy and equal rights, that it takes an evolution in thinking amongst a populace.

Iraqis frankly arent ready for this nor will they be anytime soon. It again comes down to the question of whether I help out, despite the goal's obvious shortcomings, and help ease the burden on our troops, or leave it for others to worry about. I am finally free to no longer do the latter.

Moreover, the time for my departure fast approaches. I'm still trying to get my head in the right place, but should be fine. If Im to start off as a Sargeant it will mean I will be in the thick of dishing out and taking orders, a trait that has not been a particular forte of mine for some time.

Anyways, appreciate the words everybody and will update u as I hear more, and this week is a critical juncture for the process.

[Mr. T]

I will only suggest that, as there is no draft in place, there is no burden on the troops. They are simply doing the jobs they were hired to perform.
This is madness. And not Sparta. I'd be fucking embarrassed to refer to a movie if Krell had not already done so. No less telling you to die before you run away.

[soulxtc]

I will only suggest that, as there is no draft in place, there is no burden on the troops. They are simply doing the jobs they were hired to perform.
This is madness. And not Sparta. I'd be fucking embarrassed to refer to a movie if Krell had not already done so. No less telling you to die before you run away.

I cant explain it man, I just feel guilty and have for a few years now. They're not "jobs" by any means, its different I cant explain it. When u enlist the constitution goes out the window and you live and die by a totally different set of documents.

Again, the bottom line is that somebody has to do it, and at last I don't have to bite my tongue and let somebody else worry about it.

[cheapprick]

Editing people's posts is not too cool man.

[soulxtc]

Editing people's posts is not too cool man.

Didnt edit, some of his words didnt appear, were in white text that I only noticed when I went to cut and paste it. IF his intention was to use mystery ink then I apologize and will re-whiten. Figured I was correcting an oversight.

This is the part that was "whited out"

I'd be fucking embarrassed to refer to a movie if Krell had not already done so. No less telling you to die before you run away.

Should I put it back like it was? Was just trying to be helpful.

[Potato]

soulxtc, did you hit edit instead of quote?


I think if you close out of the edit quick enough, it doesn't show that you were accidentally there.




Unless, of course, you really did edit the post.... in which case, that's just fucking dumb.






edit: You just posted. I think when people here make text white, it's on purpose.

[soulxtc]

soulxtc, did you hit edit instead of quote?

I think if you close out of the edit quick enough, it doesn't show that you were accidentally there.

Unless, of course, you really did edit the post.... in which case, that's just fucking dumb.

edit: You just posted. I think when people here make text white, it's on purpose.

Oh, sorry. Dint know hidden text was part of the artistic repertoire. Anyways, re-whitened it. Again sorry if it wasn't proper.

[cheapprick]

Funny guy.

My main fault is not wanting to see you throw time, and maybe your life, away on nothing.

You strongly disagree with that analysis so instead of trying to suggest your own point is valid you seek to incite bickering. There isn't a person on the internet that think bbcode appears in a post by accident. Have fun in the army guy.

[soulxtc]

Funny guy.

My main fault is not wanting to see you throw time, and maybe your life, away on nothing.

You strongly disagree with that analysis so instead of trying to suggest your own point is valid you seek to incite bickering. There isn't a person on the internet that think bbcode appears in a post by accident. Have fun in the army guy.

Wow, um like I said thought it was a mistake for when I cut and pasted it to put in a reply there was this additional text that I did not see. THought it was by accident. Not sure what "bbcode" is but perhaps Im that one exception to the rule or I just havent been in here enough lately to know what it is. This is the only forum Im even a part of so isnt something I'd be aware of by virtue of experience.

* from wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBCode) =
BBCode is an abbreviation for Bulletin Board Code, the lightweight markup language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language) used to format posts in many message boards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_board). It is also called forum codes. The available tags are usually indicated by rectangular brackets surrounding a keyword, and they are parsed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsing) by the message board system before being translated into a markup language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markup_language) that web browsers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser)HTML (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML) or XHTML (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHTML). understand, usually

Sorry still don't really follow what it is or why it would make someone write in unviewable white color. U learn something new everyday I guess.

Incite bickering? No I think everybody here has rational points and its not for me to say what is right or wrong. I only know whats right for me, as should each of us. Many of my friends feel the same way as you do, but they all have wished me well knowing that I have felt so strongly about doing this for quite some time now.

Waste of time? Perhaps. A potential waste of my very life? Maybe. I just know that people are there doing whats being asked of them and they need help. Im finally in a position to help out and since I can I think I should. It's a decision that may not be right for everyone obviously, but in my heart it is for me.

Again, Im not trying to incite anything just started this thread to say Im headed out, there'll be a new news guy and I hope to say in touch.

We can all argue about the merits of the war, but I think whats beyond bickering is that our troops are suffering from a shortage of manpower. Don;t ask me why, maybe its because Ive served before and feel sympathetic, but just feels like the right thing to do.

Dont want for this to turn into any diatribe or disagreement over US policy or the merits of enlisting, simply intended to inform people that Im leaving and why. Some may care, and some may not, but simply wanted to tell people what's going on and where Im headed.Figured it was the courteous thing to do instead of just disappearing one day.

I have always strived to be forthright and open about my personal life, and this decision, the second greatest of my life, the first being to join when I was 17, is something that is to have an enormous impact on my life and perhaps even the direction of ZP.

Trust me, I hear you CheapPrick and appreciate the fact that you care enough to not want to see me make a decision to do something which has so many obvious repercussions. Your concern means a lot actually.

[CCSDUDE]

What happened to aimed fire? You should not shoot indiscriminately. When you pick a target, you should intend to destroy it. But you should pick it first.

Amphetamines are not a good thing to be on in combat. They make you hyper, edgy, unpredictable. If you must do drugs while shooting, try downers....you might stay steadier on target. I'd just avoid the drugs if at all possible.

The party part is right out. I know too much about booze. If I want to be able to save my ass or someone else's, I'd rather not be drunk.
lol you must be kidding

bit 'o speed and a few shots of grain alcohol mixed with a redbull or rockstar and you could pick the head off a match stick at half a mile with the right piece

@soulxtc - personally I can't feel sorry for people who joined or feel as if I should aid them for being stupid enough to join up but hey most probably joined for the free schooling housing 'n such others have done so thinking like you do

you honestly aren't helping if thats your only reason as you just create another cycle of 'helpers' to help you or whats left of your unit

instead of keeping this crap going try to bring these poor ignorant souls home from a war no one really wanted in the first place

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Jared, I thought you were in the Marines, not the Navy. Or were you a SEAL?

[soulxtc]

Jared, I thought you were in the Marines, not the Navy. Or were you a SEAL?

Medic with the Marines (FMF)



@soulxtc - personally I can't feel sorry for people who joined or feel as if I should aid them for being stupid enough to join up but hey most probably joined for the free schooling housing 'n such others have done so thinking like you do

you honestly aren't helping if thats your only reason as you just create another cycle of 'helpers' to help you or whats left of your unit

instead of keeping this crap going try to bring these poor ignorant souls home from a war no one really wanted in the first place

Its not a matter of feeling sorry, and many join for reasons other than schooling and such. Ive already had the pleasure of getting a degree and this is merely an effort on my part to help those who are there.

I have friends there, many in fact, and theres nothing worse than not being able to help them out. A manpower strain wont mean an end to the war it will only mean that the people in theater have to serve out extended deployment times.

BTW to say that people were stupid enough to join is a bit callous dont u think? Nobody knows why many of the people join the armed services, for many its a chance to learn discipline, and for others to pay for undergraduate work.

Whatever the reason I think its mean spirited to call their decision a dumb one.

[CCSDUDE]

how so? it is dumb to serve a system that in an of itself is based on NOT thinking for yourself

in many ways it creates a power structure that if used incorrectly can oppress the very people it claims to protect and as such I'd much rather be allowed to buy things that protect me on my terms

not be forced to pay bullshit federal taxes to support a system that could and does force me under it's thumb on a daily basis

cuz hey we all get our paychecks jacked every time without say as to where our money goes (war/abusive police/ect) and they top that shit off by locking us up for doing drugs we need or wish to do (without harming others)

[Excrement_Cranium]

You better do combat medic!

It is one area that is lacking.

You know... you could have done Navy combat medic... which actually puts you in the Marines in a twisted and contorted mess of Basic training and paperwork...

Which I see you did... buhr... I didn't feel like digging through the whole thread.


I salute your service, and regret that it is in a conflict which is useless when compared to other threats from other countries.

[Wurgf]

Cool, I'm interested in becoming a Combat Medic.

Good luck, dude.

[soulxtc]

how so? it is dumb to serve a system that in an of itself is based on NOT thinking for yourself

in many ways it creates a power structure that if used incorrectly can oppress the very people it claims to protect and as such I'd much rather be allowed to buy things that protect me on my terms

not be forced to pay bullshit federal taxes to support a system that could and does force me under it's thumb on a daily basis

cuz hey we all get our paychecks jacked every time without say as to where our money goes (war/abusive police/ect) and they top that shit off by locking us up for doing drugs we need or wish to do (without harming others)

?? Where to begin. Oh they teach you to think for yourself, we don't have an SS bro, and serving that system is what keeps this "great experiment" of ours running. Sure we may fuck up from time to time, but at the end of the day u won't see a single country ever raise its hand to stop horrific crimes as they occur before their very eyes (Darfur, Rwanda).

As for "under the thumb" I guarantee you that your local officials have more power over your day to day life than the Feds.

And yes, drugs should be decriminalized.

You better do combat medic!

It is one area that is lacking.

You know... you could have done Navy combat medic... which actually puts you in the Marines in a twisted and contorted mess of Basic training and paperwork...

Which I see you did... buhr... I didn't feel like digging through the whole thread.


I salute your service, and regret that it is in a conflict which is useless when compared to other threats from other countries.

Yah, combat medic is my first choice really, just dont want to be stuck in a hospital so we'll see.

Cool, I'm interested in becoming a Combat Medic.

Good luck, dude.

THX

[kari14]

Good luck Mr. Moya.
Well you still be around though? You were personally one of my favorites when I first joined ZP. It would be sad to see you go.

[Mels_Smileys45]

What sorta help do they need other than help coming home? They get to sit around, gaurd stuff and dodge human bombs. If youre really good at dodging things that blow up unexpectedly you may be of some use.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Medic with the Marines (FMF)

OK, so me confused:

Canada has an army? :P I bet they got great food though. When I was in the Navy we all heard crazy tales about the awesome pay and great food that our cousins to the North had.

[Excrement_Cranium]

The Navy doesn't have medics per se... so, since the Marines are (technically) operation bullet-sponge for the Navy, they send the Medics to the Marines.


I guy I went to high school with did it. He had to do Navy Basic, then some school, then Marine Basic, then more school, then he got shipped straight to Iraq.

[cheapprick]

In the navy? That phrase seems to ring a bell.

[Mohanish]

This is my dream to join the army but yea i will need to wait. Good Luck man and fight terrorism.

[soulxtc]

OK, so me confused:

The Marines are a subunit of the Navy, are not a branch in and of themselves. As such the Navy stocks the Marines with medical personnel.
In the navy? That phrase seems to ring a bell.

That picture burns me eyes. Yuck. :hi

[soulxtc]

In the navy? That phrase seems to ring a bell.

That picture burns me eyes. Yuck. :hi

[zankster]

Congratulations! I almost joined several years ago. I applied to go in as an officer for certain areas. I was put on a wait list and unfortunately, when my spot came up my life had changed and I had to turn it down. I still regret not joining...I hope to make a career out of it.

[Excrement_Cranium]

The Marines are a subunit of the Navy, are not a branch in and of themselves. As such the Navy stocks the Marines with medical personnel.


That picture burns me eyes. Yuck. :hi

Is it embarrassing that you still have that tie dye outfit, or that you have to admit the guy on the left is you?

[BlastAttack]

Are you crazy? You want to go to war?
Hope you survive to tell us how much you regret it..
Good Luck

[soulxtc]

Congratulations! I almost joined several years ago. I applied to go in as an officer for certain areas. I was put on a wait list and unfortunately, when my spot came up my life had changed and I had to turn it down. I still regret not joining...I hope to make a career out of it.

I turned down a commission as well (Navy ROTC).......was recommended for a future commission, but don't think its right to start off that way in the Army without having first been with the grunts.

Plus, being a Seargant, as I've been told what my rank will be, one higher than previous, may just be pretty interesting.

Are you crazy? You want to go to war?
Hope you survive to tell us how much you regret it..
Good Luck

Nobody ever "wants" to go to war. They need people and feel guilty, as though Im letting them down. Have a friend who's a chopper pilot, 3 tours, one Navy Seals Spec Ops(he cant say), one who's a Army combat engineer(1 tour) , EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal)(2 tours), the list goes on and on. And what am I doing to help out? Been to the Gulf once long ago(93') at like 17, though firing tomahawks can hardly be called war. Can't explain it, just feel guilty, want to help. Don't expect u to understand why or even agree with it, but just know that I think it's right for me.

The soldier above all others prays or peace for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war. -- Douglas McArthur

Furthermore, I know the per capita ad pop density skews the picture, but if we speak simply in terms of deaths, 2006 = 822 casualties...

In the meantime....Chicago murders = 448, Detroit = 354 ------- 802

Anyways, just feel guilty I'm not helping out, pure and simple, wanted to go for years, and now I can. Though for those keeping score at home, it appears won't be by the Sep 30th deadline (end of govt fiscal year). So maybe 2 weeks more tops.

Will keep u all posted, and if anybody here is perhaps interested in doing the news after I leave, let me or Jorge know.

jared@zeropaid.com
jorge@zeropaid.com

[mfgbypooter]

The Marines are a subunit of the Navy, are not a branch in and of themselves. As such the Navy stocks the Marines with medical personnel.And Navy wives are called submarines.

That's because sub means under, and that's where you'll find them... under Marines.

*

[manakazero]

Jared, best of luck to you buddy. I wish you the best of health and luck in your future service to our country.

[soulxtc]

And Navy wives are called submarines.

That's because sub means under, and that's where you'll find them... under Marines.

*
That's fucked.....never heard that one b4.

Jared, best of luck to you buddy. I wish you the best of health and luck in your future service to our country.

THX......had planned to go by the 30th, but guess things work slowly in the Army.

[Crazy Horse]

Good for you Jared. Just watch your ass. We are not liked on the other side of the world.

Alas I'm too old or I would consider doing it all over again.

Good luck to you and if possible keep us up on the goings on from time to time.

[soulxtc]

Good for you Jared. Just watch your ass. We are not liked on the other side of the world.

Alas I'm too old or I would consider doing it all over again.

Good luck to you and if possible keep us up on the goings on from time to time.

THX bro........looking like Im going to have to wait 2 more weeks though, made the mistake of telling them I have ADHD.......too funny...you'd think multi-tasking would be a good thing.

[CCSDUDE]

^ adhd isn't multi-tasking unless you supplement or trick out the persons dopamine levels

in other words you ain't useful to the brainwashing bush dick sucking retards unless you're jacked up on methylamphetamine or mixed salt of amphetamine

[soulxtc]

^ adhd isn't multi-tasking unless you supplement or trick out the persons dopamine levels

in other words you ain't useful to the brainwashing bush dick sucking retards unless you're jacked up on methylamphetamine or mixed salt of amphetamine

Uh, actually ADHD is all the way multi-tasking, its that burst of dopamine u get from new situation and stimulus that makes u feel sane.

And hey, c'mon now, "bush dick suckin retards?" There's very few of them cats around and it has nothing to do with me. He's lame alright, but try to keep it in context please.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

I love it how you can consider a deficit a structured response. It's ADHD, not OCD. I grew up with a brother that had it as does my son.

Perfect for the front lines.

[CCSDUDE]

Uh, actually ADHD is all the way multi-tasking, its that burst of dopamine u get from new situation and stimulus that makes u feel sane.

And hey, c'mon now, "bush dick suckin retards?" There's very few of them cats around and it has nothing to do with me. He's lame alright, but try to keep it in context please.
lol actually adhd is a lack of said synap action dude

we lack dopamine flow while our brains move a mile a minute

basically our mind/body connections are outta sync and any good upper will get things closer to normal by faking/adding a chemical sorta like dopamine

I've lived with this crap my whole life lol a major case of the shit to boot and if you got a case they damn well better hook you up with speed of some sort to keep you on yer game

lol glad you agree bush is a fucking asshole but I can't agree on the folks who joined up not being in part with him

they agreed to the shit and short of being tossed in a cell ala court marshall they continue to agree which I can't agree with

again tho get your ass back safe else most of us are gonna be pissed

[soulxtc]

I love it how you can consider a deficit a structured response. It's ADHD, not OCD. I grew up with a brother that had it as does my son.

Perfect for the front lines.

Thats what I said, but they wont take cats that take Ritalin,and I havent for several years.

lol actually adhd is a lack of said synap action dude

we lack dopamine flow while our brains move a mile a minute

basically our mind/body connections are outta sync and any good upper will get things closer to normal by faking/adding a chemical sorta like dopamine

I've lived with this crap my whole life lol a major case of the shit to boot and if you got a case they damn well better hook you up with speed of some sort to keep you on yer game

lol glad you agree bush is a fucking asshole but I can't agree on the folks who joined up not being in part with him

they agreed to the shit and short of being tossed in a cell ala court marshall they continue to agree which I can't agree with

again tho get your ass back safe else most of us are gonna be pissed

Yah, Ive done fine with ADHD all my life, its just the Army wont take cats that take Ritalin.

THX for wishing me a safe return.

[Excrement_Cranium]

^ adhd isn't multi-tasking unless you supplement or trick out the persons dopamine levels

in other words you ain't useful to the brainwashing bush dick sucking retards unless you're jacked up on methylamphetamine or mixed salt of amphetamine

Sure it's multi-tasking... multiple started, but uncompleted, tasks...


Drives my wife nuts when I clean, because it takes me all day, and there are beginnings of jobs started all over, and nothing finished...

[CCSDUDE]

Sure it's multi-tasking... multiple started, but uncompleted, tasks...


Drives my wife nuts when I clean, because it takes me all day, and there are beginnings of jobs started all over, and nothing finished...
lol true true but it's not really multi-tasking if you can't complete the multi-tasked jobs you've started in proper order

we can all multi-task to some degree but we're a mess of projects unfinished

shove some speed in our mouth and we're suddenly faster 'n more on point than any average speed user lol

@soulxtc - ritalin is chemically like cocaine while adderall is a mix of 4 isos of amphetamine hci (2 of which are inactive buffers)

they give piolets dexedrine which is also a mixed salt of amphetamine so if you switch off the mind numbing crap that is ritalin they damn well better accept you as they actually supply the stuff to people with massive killing potential

on that note it's kinda silly how they charge adhd folks up the ass for an addictive cure while busting poor souls who use methylamphetamine since they can't afford their weak watered down speed through 'proper' channels

lol double ditto on all drug laws being utter bullshit :)

[cheapprick]

Sure it's multi-tasking... multiple started, but uncompleted, tasks...


Drives my wife nuts when I clean

You'd think it would be the sex that annoyed her at that rate.

[DwarfBaby]

Sure it's multi-tasking... multiple started, but uncompleted, tasks...


Drives my wife nuts when I clean, because it takes me all day, and there are beginnings of jobs started all over, and nothing finished...

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time has gone, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say

I thought this thread could use some Pink Floyd lyrics.

I've must have written a 100 novels in my life (in my mind). In real life I never made it past the first chapter. While I don't particularly agree with Soul's decision I can't speak ill of it. I have often spoken loudly of my Ideal's but never have I made any difference that I know of.

I hope he makes it back OK and I hope he makes a difference. Unfortunately I have been in the position to see many with great aspirations returned home to crying mothers. This is partially why I have so much hatred for Islam (or religion in general) these people with their Ideology and their imaginary deities, but if you look closely enough they are a culture of crying mothers as well. Where did we go wrong? What did we do wrong?

If only ignorance could be fought with bullets and bombs.

Edit:
Home, home again
I like to be here when I can
When I come home cold and tired
It’s good to warm my bones beside the fire
Far away across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spells.

[Excrement_Cranium]

You'd think it would be the sex that annoyed her at that rate.

I think it's the porn that leaves me unable to concentrate on one hole....

:icon_scra

[tafunda]

Good luck with that, but I am staunchly anti-war right now

[petethemanc]

Ive done 15 years in the british army before i was mediacally discharged (blown up by an ied in Helmland) and my advice is have a LONG hard think before you decide. Its a lot worse out there than the media are saying.

[StormNinja]

I am somewhat late joining in this discussion and for that I apologize. I was not aware of the situation: that said I am refraining from espressing any political or philosophical opinions.

Soulxtc/Jared, has always been a civil moderator, intelligent conversationalist and generally decent human being. I wish only the best for you. Be well and take care of yourself.

Best wishes...

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

What kind of reasoning is that? If the mafia was having a hard time, would you join them to give them a hand? Would you become a drug addict to give a much needed extra voice to the people who suffer from drug addiction in your country? Would you give yourself AIDS to give the faceless victims of AIDS a face?

This has everything to do with what you think about the war. If you think what USA is doing in Iraq is bad, DON'T JOIN IN ON IT.

You will be attempted killed, and people will hate you all over, for good reason. Your sole job down there will be to force the people of another country to accept a puppet regime instated by USA, which the Bush administration itself isn't even happy with anymore. You will be killing people, every day, who are fighting to liberate their country from occupation, whether they are sunni, shiate or something else entirely. You will be killing fathers, brothers and sons, and quite possible women and children too, and make people hate USA even more.

You will become a murderer for the sake of following orders, so that McDonalds and Halliburton can expand their business.

You should know that you seem to fit the most banal description of someone who enlists for the US Army. A person who's somewhat depressed, and doesn't feel like he has much purpose in life, then decides to be a blind order-follower so that he feels his life has meaning and companionship again.
You'll end up in a world of shit, and make a world of shit for so many others while getting there.

Don't do it.

If you want to help all the soldiers that are down there and can't get out soon enough, become an anti-war activist and help end the damn war, so they can get home.
That's both companionship and self-sacrificing purpose for you. And it's even a good thing to do.

I agree with every word you said. Pity you got banned for merely stating your opinion.

[Excrement_Cranium]

I agree with every word you said. Pity you got banned for merely stating your opinion.

You agree he will be attempted killed?



NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!



Please! Don't get attempted killed!

[carpefile]

Jared, Good luck and make it back safe.
Hopefully shortly after President Paul is sworn in, you and all your buds will be coming home.

[soulxtc]

I agree with every word you said. Pity you got banned for merely stating your opinion.

He got banned? Maybe it was his poor gramamr.... :)

I agree with a lot of what he says he too, but it has nothing to do why Im joining. BTW, actually in the public library right now printing out some crud about my students loans for tuition reimbursement(my printer's on the fritz)..........

I can't believe I still owe 66 grand in student loans.....I thought Catholics were supposed to be benevolent ...

Looks like I'm gonna have to wait a few more weeks for the Dept of Education to get off its arss and finalize my student loan consolidation for the Army. Its weird, have to have all your ducks in a row financially - student loans included - b4 u can join.

To all those that think the Army is taking anybody with a pulse -- NOT!

God this PC smells and its running IE with a 15" monitor......I think Im gonna be sick...anyways, gotta go.

[CCSDUDE]

Jared, Good luck and make it back safe.
Hopefully shortly after President Paul is sworn in, you and all your buds will be coming home.
you do realize ron paul is a republican shill right? even after almost 20 years of going against the grain he's stuck with a shitty party instead of having the balls to go indie

unless he removes himself from that 52 car pile up he'll be a shill in the minds of most intelligent voters

after all all he's looking to legalize is pot which makes no sense when the whole drug war is a crock of shit

goodluck on that loan shit soulxtc lol you of all people should know how anal the government is :P

[soulxtc]

you do realize ron paul is a republican shill right? even after almost 20 years of going against the grain he's stuck with a shitty party instead of having the balls to go indie

unless he removes himself from that 52 car pile up he'll be a shill in the minds of most intelligent voters

after all all he's looking to legalize is pot which makes no sense when the whole drug war is a crock of shit

goodluck on that loan shit soulxtc lol you of all people should know how anal the government is :P

Yep, the govt loves anal :) You should've heard the people I spent hours on the phone with at the Dept of Education. I swear I think they outsourced the call center unless everybody there just happens to have thick Indian accents. Kinda scary.

....and Ron Paul wants to legalize pot? Hmm, hadn't heard that. May have to take a second look at the fella. What sucks is Obama fired up spliffs repeatedly and in his own words "inhaled like your supposed to every time," but I doubt he'll touch the issue with a 10ft pole.:drunken_s

[CCSDUDE]

lol ron paul is touching on it to get votes (after all almost everyone has or does smoke up daily) and he is the lesser of all evils in this case

but god damn he's still running republican and that doesn't seem kosher unless he's out to shill for his shitty party

lol if they are outsourcing board of education calls... nice lil tidbit to ream them goverment stooges with considering we all gotta drop over 80% of our damn property tax dollar in their pockets

[Excrement_Cranium]

but god damn he's still running republican and that doesn't seem kosher

You know, there was a time when Republicans were mostly like him... Constitutionalists interested in reducing the government's involvement in people's lives.


Thank you Bush family and the religious right, for making small government a thing of the past!

[Hath]

I would join the miltiary, but I am bipolar. I take medication for it so i am always "under control" Thats why the military wont take me. Hmmm, they should get me really pissed off, give me an M60 and push me in the direction of the enemy. That would en both wars instantaneously! Anyways, it's a shame I can't join.

[soulxtc]

lol ron paul is touching on it to get votes (after all almost everyone has or does smoke up daily) and he is the lesser of all evils in this case

but god damn he's still running republican and that doesn't seem kosher unless he's out to shill for his shitty party

lol if they are outsourcing board of education calls... nice lil tidbit to ream them goverment stooges with considering we all gotta drop over 80% of our damn property tax dollar in their pockets

Uh, actually property taxes go to either the state or local govt depending on your state.

You know, there was a time when Republicans were mostly like him... Constitutionalists interested in reducing the government's involvement in people's lives.


Thank you Bush family and the religious right, for making small government a thing of the past!

I totally agree. Reagan didn't hate Bush Sr and his ilk for nothing.

[sadam34]

good luck thats all i can say

[mfgbypooter]

the other day I saw a lady naval officer.

just looking at her made me want to be in the navy.

*

[soulxtc]

good luck thats all i can say

THXs saddam (kinda trippy username BTW)

the other day I saw a lady naval officer.

just looking at her made me want to be in the navy.

*
Getting her to order u around could be very kinky indeed.

[mfgbypooter]

I know she got me standing at attention.

*

[CCSDUDE]

Uh, actually property taxes go to either the state or local govt depending on your state.



I totally agree. Reagan didn't hate Bush Sr and his ilk for nothing.
yeah and state to state board of education shit works with grants (perhaps not on a serving yer country level) and if any of 'em are outsourcing office or service calls to india... we got a nice bit of shit to rip them a new one for since it's 80% of prop tax thats getting sunk in their pockets

EC lol yeah very true but I've never liked the two party system bs

we need to void the whole system of every two party sob before we see the real damage they've done

[soulxtc]

we need to void the whole system of every two party sob before we see the real damage they've done

Yap, brings true meaning to "dumb and dumber."

[Mels_Smileys45]

Im joining the Darkside! Its less evil.

[soulxtc]

as usual dope ass ......u are the king of animated .gif

[CCSDUDE]

Yap, brings true meaning to "dumb and dumber."
lol vote all indie this time around if you get back in time ;)

[soulxtc]

lol vote all indie this time around if you get back in time ;)
Actually voted 4 Nader in 2000, its rumored that Bloomberg, mayor of NYC, is contemplating spending a half a billion to run......its all about the money.

[DwarfBaby]

Actually voted 4 Nader in 2000, its rumored that Bloomberg, mayor of NYC, is contemplating spending a half a billion to run......its all about the money.

Money buys allot of things but I'm not sure what a snowballs chance in Hell costs nowadays but I'm pretty sure half a bil won't cover the overhead. Not with the great Satan herself running for office.

[CCSDUDE]

Actually voted 4 Nader in 2000, its rumored that Bloomberg, mayor of NYC, is contemplating spending a half a billion to run......its all about the money.
I'd never vote for that asshole lol he wasted at least 15 million on 911 designs for buildings that were impossible to build

[notbob]

Actually voted 4 Nader in 2000, its rumored that Bloomberg, mayor of NYC, is contemplating spending a half a billion to run......its all about the money.

wow. just wow. throwing your life away on an idiotic war and voting for a 3rd party candidate? did you use your lunch money to buy magic beans? which pyramid schemes did you buy into? let me guess--you buy everything from best buy and always get the extended service plan, right?

[Broccoli]

Good luck, don't die.

[zipper532]

Some of u probably recall my previous inclination to rejoin the military after my girl cheated on me a while back, well her and i have broken up for good, removing my last reason for not reenlisting.

I submitted my package about 3 weeks ago and am still waiting for the magical thumbs up or down, but nonetheless have decided to join the Army.

Yes, the Army.

Am trying to go combat infantry believe it or not, though Combat Medic may still be in the cards depending on whether or not I'd have to do hospital duty.

Bottom line? Am trying to ease the burden on our troops that we all hear so much about. Irregardless of your position on the war or our long term strategy for the region, the fact is that we have people pulling 15mos deployments due to a lack of manpower and I think it's only fair that I lend a hand.

Now, my friends all think I'm crazy, but my physical fitness level is way more than adequate (200 pushups, 100 situps, 20 pullups, and a 2 mile run each day coupled with 2hrs bodyboarding to cool down). I also get to retain my old rank, which is apparently a corporal, but would be sergeant soon enough.

Will update you all as I find out more about what's going on. Sept 30th is my target date so we'll see.



Dude, you are completely nuts. Do you really think some washed up old man with a broken heart and a shaky grasp on reality can win the day for uncle Sam ?

Hell, I bet there's hardly an Al Qaeda operative who isn't sweating profusely under his turban at the thought of coming up against you and your 200 push ups. What the hell do you think this war is soldier ? Do you think it's some Steven Seagal movie, where you can turn up, do 200 push ups and a few roundhouses then kill the bad guy with a well placed karate chop ?

Soldier, do yourself, your nation and the US military a service and make sure the closest you get to this war are the news reports viewed from your favorite armchair.

DISMISSED ! :icon_salu

[soulxtc]

wow. just wow. throwing your life away on an idiotic war and voting for a 3rd party candidate? did you use your lunch money to buy magic beans? which pyramid schemes did you buy into? let me guess--you buy everything from best buy and always get the extended service plan, right?

Uh yah, "throwing my life away" because as we all know everybody who joins dies soon after. :(

Best Buy? There's nothing "best" about what they offer consumers to buy. Now Frys' Electronics, there's a real mans store.

..and have never had "magic beans," but have had "magic" shrooms......
:icon_thum
Dude, you are completely nuts. Do you really think some washed up old man with a broken heart and a shaky grasp on reality can win the day for uncle Sam ?

Hell, I bet there's hardly an Al Qaeda operative who isn't sweating profusely under his turban at the thought of coming up against you and your 200 push ups. What the hell do you think this war is soldier ? Do you think it's some Steven Seagal movie, where you can turn up, do 200 push ups and a few roundhouses then kill the bad guy with a well placed karate chop ?

Soldier, do yourself, your nation and the US military a service and make sure the closest you get to this war are the news reports viewed from your favorite armchair.

DISMISSED ! :icon_salu

WTF are u talking about? Washed up? Old man? Broken heart? Beat it troll. I've already been to the Gulf once, I think I can manage another stint. Now finish your cheerios like a good kid.

Good luck, don't die.

Nice, haven't seen this alter ego for a while.

__________________________________________________ ________

**NOTE: Going to close this thread for now since Im looking at least a month before I get to go. Started this thread originally when it appeared I had less than a few weeks remaining. Will open up when I get a concrete date.