Could Kurt Cobain Have Been Murdered ?

[Havoc]

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[KurtCocain]

Yes, the bit ch Courtney Love did kill him !!. I hate her. And plus I dont get how did he even get to mess with an ugly woman like her. Hmm I guess she sucked well :))
But yeah, i definitely think that it was a murder, not a suicide.

[Caitlyn Marble]

I think she did it. Not with her hands. but she got him killed. I'm going to go check out the site. thanks SSJ4CHAOS

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

i dont think it was her who murdered him. I think it was Elvis. After he came back to earth on a UFO. Landing on the loch ness monsters head.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
i dont think it was her who murdered him. I think it was Elvis. After he came back to earth on a UFO. Landing on the loch ness monsters head.

You forget to add that he had help from the mole people and alligator boy.

[anarcus]

:shy

i think we all the truth

the Crocidile Hunter Steve Erwin

He smelt the teen sprit of the rocker and tryed to convince him drug where not the way to go(he did this by jumping on Kurts back grabbing onto his grungy hair do and grabbin' the seringe out of his arm. AND CRIKEEE HIS HEAD EXPLOYDED) true story Elvis told me

[gorphon]

courtney love all trashed and helping him... perhaps even talking him into it. after all, it is not at all a simple exercise to blow your own head off with a shotgun, ESPECIALLY if you are as smacked out as cobain was. and I seem to remember hearing that part of his suicide letter was in her handwriting.... that is heresy though, so dont take my word on it.

[Ken17625]

"Suicide is natures way of weeding you out directly. Survival of the fittest."


You must remember that although mental illness can be genetic, a lot of times it is developed due to our interaction with the world. 2 people could be born with no genetic malfunctions but they could lead very different lives and therefore develop different thought processes, one good, one bad. Survival of the fittest doesn't really mean much when it comes to the Human race. We have developed beyond that point in which individuals with certain traits live on while others die out, we have intelligence no other mammals posess. Darwin's theory is not entirely flawed, but it is to an extent.

[PatientSaint]

Did she do it prolly....like Gorphon said smacked out as he was i doubt he could've pulled a trigger. Anyway let his spirit rest... sides the silver lining of it al lwe got t osee what a VERY talented musican Dave Grohl is... in my opinion foo fighters are better than nirvana could've been even if Kurt was still alive....althought his death did mute a movement that has yet to really fully recover....anyway Rock on DAve.

[mpatl]

Dealie is a dork trying to be funny using old material. Next thing he'll say OJ did it.

[PorkSwordsman]

could give a shi.te one less drug bag tosser

[Jared592]

Originally posted by Krell
grab_grab_the_haddock . . that was my first thought. Well, its always been my thought. As far as literal interpretations go . . . we should all know whats its like for some one to twist words around and blow things out of proportion, no?

As far as my background in psychiatry or clinical psychology, I spent 5 years in the mental health field, I was a behavioral specialist for emotionally conflicted children, and I did day treatment for schizophrenic adults. The thought of another 5 years to get a Psy.D was not appealing, and I left the field emotional drained. I dont want to come off as a bleeding heart OR a hard edge, but I am a person who suffers from depression myself. Now you know. I have no problem believing that Cobain, or Staley or anyone else, can take their life.

It may not be Darwinian, but its a fact.

SSJ4CHAOS, I just dont see what issue remains here.

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Doesn't everyone suffer from depression? I'm not trying to make your statement any less important, but it's my understanding that everyone goes through bouts of depression from time to time in their life.

As far as Cobain, I agree with grab_grab_the_haddock and Krell. The internet is hardly a reputable enough source to base a homicide case on.

[CCSDUDE]

It coulda been an accident.....sounds far fetched? The one dude from CTA blew his head off with a similar shotgun....not cuz he wanted to LOL cuz he was cleaning his gun while being blasted (acid/pot/some other stuff....) outta his mind. So Kurt could have been 'playing' with the shotgun while under the influence. But Miss Love seems abit tricky....so it's sorta up for grabs. Maybe he did kill himself, maybe he was screwing around with it while strung out on Heroin, maybe she took the time to get his handwriting down pat and added to his 'good bye to my fans I'm quitting show biz' letter then 'aided' him in blowing his head off when he didn't wanna.


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[The Hunter]

:wings Krell if this is true as you have been known to yank a persons chain at times.Dealing with people disorders can be tough,I have lost 2 friends by suicide. When I was in school they wanted me to be a guidence counslar. Damm i hate spelling. It seems the heart and mind are in the right place, but and I cant spell it. Dyslexia?looks good, has caused me to be called a lot of names.PS iq my tests wernt bad either. I was just called lazy.
Not. Iq tests were a challenge. The schoolwork was just in the the nicest way possible all ass to. IE backwards. In your friends talk about doing away with themselves, listen they might be serious. Depression runs deep. Big ears and compassion can help. Sorry about bending your ears. My appologies The Hunter.

[The Hunter]

:mellow When I said about yanking ones chain, never refered to personal things. It just aint my style. It was just about you picking at times, all meant in fun. As for the rest, those who have never felt depression have no idea. Ps man you can give me shit I have a thick skin to match my head. Why dont you just chill for a while, and watch the rest of us get in fights for a bit? All the battles in life are not yours alone. You can just laugh at us making asses of our selves., and aint we good at it.Peace, and take care, and I really mean it.

[Jared592]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock


yeah thats for sure. and thats what i objected to in dealies post. distortion of darwin has been used to justify so much evil and cause so much pain i almost feel oblidged to attack the kind of rubbish dealie was spouting wherever it appears. Im always horrified by this kind of thing as it leads so easily to the evil poison he spouted in his second post.
shame people like this cant take a step back and realise that by someone elses lofty standards their life may be deemed worthless and unfit to live.

your background in psychology is fascinating. Mental disorder has been an interest of mine for a long time as it effects parts of my own dear family. Ive spent a bit of time looking into these things from a personal point of view, but theres a part of me which would of liked to work in something like psychiatry professionally.


Jared:
you are partly right, there are some malingerers and hypochondriacs who feign or fool themselves into believing they have mental disorders. But not all sufferers are in that boat. Far from it. Depression, real clinical depression (as opposed to feeling a bit down), as i said earlier is something that can be traced to physical disturbances in the brain. A quick tour of any mental facility would cure you of the mistake that all depression is imagined or made up. Although, like always when dealing with human emotion there are grey areas and unknowns, there are people who are very much at the mental illness end of the depression scale.

Yes, I understand that there is a definite difference between feeling down and being depressed. However, I would think that feeling down in itself would have to do with chemical imbalances, however temporary, occuring in the brain. Believe me, I'm the last person to think that depression is "made up," and I understand there are gray areas in the field that prohibit any definition from being 100% accurate.

I'm liking this conversation...

[CTC Command]

Crop circles did it. Or hopelessness of heroin addiction. No, it was definitely the crop circles...

[Ken17625]

"Even at that, no one is 100% accurate, you do the best you can with the time and info you have to work with. "

Right. No two human beings are alike. So its a game of close enough and generalization.

[klimt da man]

Ahahahahahahhahahaha! Ahem. *cough*

My initial reaction to this was "another conspiracy theory" the way people want to believe that Elvis is still wandering around, even though it's not like they didn't find him.

Of course, if there was shaky evidence, it'd be all too easy to discount as a conspiracy theory, these days. Sometimes I wonder if the dissemination experts didn't start mass-producing conspiracy theories to turn them into the joke they are.

@ Haddock: I have a great deal of respect for your take on things and understand and agree with your reaction to social darwinism. Dangerous. But I'm not sure I consider it... appropriate to challenge another person's view by asking them what training they have. My first career was in clinical psych, but I can tell you that the field is divided. Splintered, even. You can get an expert of 30 years to tell you just about anything. Also, that kind of credit-based reasoning encourages people to lie about their backgrounds, which is why I always encourage people to evaluate ideas on their merits and forget about who's posting or what they've done. And psych is as much art as it is science. I'm not pickin on ya. Just my 2c. :)

Oh, one thought about depression, chemical levels, and all those people out there on anti-depressants. I've had two friends that were on lithium for various amounts of time. One thing I've heard a lot of m-d's say is that they want to "own" themselves again. Before one of my friends tried the lithium, we were speculating about what her tests might reveal. We both tend to be rather up-and-down personalities, but of course we're talking extremes, here. But where do you draw the line? I'm just saying that society being what it is, maybe that line isn't being drawn in any place that we could consider "natural" given the number of people using drugs to cope. An imbalance that interferes with function is usually where the line is drawn, but that's as ambiguous and personal as you can get. I think it is something to be concerned about. Anyone have a friend who smokes pot 24/7? I just think that at the point you maintain yourself in another state, you're not really you anymore. How would you know who you were? What emotions were genuine? We don't give enough import to those chemicals, but we need to own them, too. Mass-sedation of "troublesome" schoolchildren is another aspect of the same problem, I think. Where the line is being drawn.

and now I insert the bouncing frog
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[klimt da man]

Yeah, I gotta agree with Krell on this, generally. Although when it comes to generalizations, people in the field have to of course make use of them, otherwise everything is a case study and we learn nothing applicable from one to the next. But close enough implies it's not a social science and well... hehehehe. that splinter I was talking about. Sometimes I think the best part of psych is the intuitive, non-quantitative part. But the quantitative part keeps it honest.

Mind you, my background is psych, so that bias runs along the lines: the problem may be chemical; we need someone qualified to check that angle out. But drugs don't solve non-physical problems. I don't like seeing it used as a crutch. It's an easy way to hide, for everyone, therapist, client, system.

Agreement with the other posters that evidence on a website is anything but conclusive. Maybe anything but convincing. I'm sorry to those concerned about the possible cover-up, but evidence is just like that. Critical evaluation is everything, and you don't get that in this form. :(

and now I insert the bouncing frog :fire

[BipolarBlondeGirl]

I am 37 years old and started listening to Nirvana when the album Nevermind was released. I have followed Cobain's career. I just finished reading "Journals", which was in the biography section containing excerpts from his notebooks. After reading this book, I came to my PERSONAL conclusion that he definitely commited suicide. Being bipolar myself, I can relate to his roller-coaster mood swings and ramblings on he had. Also, he was very susceptible to drug addiction. He mentioned killing himself numerous times in his own writings. When in a "down" manic depressive period of the disease, it is very easy to succomb to the thought of suicide. It seems like fans do not want to 'tarnish' his image by the thought that he could actually do something so heinous. However, it is a reality and he was human like everyone else.

In my opinion he was a genius; his writing reflects how deeply and fervently he thought about his beliefs, even though I personally think some of his beliefs were out of this world crazy. Too bad he didn't get proper help. With the drugs they have out today for bipolar disorder, such as Lamictal and Abilify, he may have been able to conquer those mood swings and have a halfway normal life. I can understand how his brain raced at the speed of light, and his writings reflect that. As with most celebrities deaths, many fans want to blame someone else. It is hard for fans to believe that their idol could do this to themselves, but read the book for yourself and you will see what I mean. It convinced me that he did indeed do the deed.

[etos45]

All I have to say is.... it shoulda been Eddie Veddar... that's who everyone was expecting to do it. :) As for murder / suicide, it really doesn't matter. He's dead either way and I really don't think Love is capable of murder.

[enter8]

Bumping a five year old thread with a subject matter that pretty much died five years ago?

Well, since you bring it up ;) I have a theory. I remember a lot of stories about Kurt having extreme stomach pain (part of the reason why he did heroin). I think he may have had cancer, and, rather than choosing the long painful death, he opted for quick.

[HelenaP]

Bumping a five year old thread with a subject matter that pretty much died five years ago?
...Well, since you bring it up ;)...

The only thing bumping this thread did for me, was remind me of Brad Delp...
<*sniff*>
Enough said.

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[xtrendkill]

sign of being bi polar is bumping 5 year old threads

[Mels_Smileys45]

I recently watched a movie called Last Days that is just FANFUCKINTASTIC! Its lightly based on Kurts last days as he wanders in and out of a walking drug coma. I love this film. Not much is said through out the movie, you are simply watching a rock star fall apart. DL it now and thank me later.

P.S. You have to be into indie films to like it. Some of the music the actor makes up in the film is really good. Im not sure who he is but he captured Kurt in a bottle.

[BipolarBlondeGirl]

sign of being bi polar is bumping 5 year old threads

Whatever you think. I just got through reading the book and was checking out what others said about the subject. I didn't read the book 5 years ago.

[fourhundred]

I recently watched a movie called Last Days that is just FANFUCKINTASTIC! Its lightly based on Kurts last days as he wanders in and out of a walking drug coma. I love this film. Not much is said through out the movie, you are simply watching a rock star fall apart. DL it now and thank me later.

P.S. You have to be into indie films to like it. Some of the music the actor makes up in the film is really good. Im not sure who he is but he captured Kurt in a bottle.

It was Michael Pitt. Who is also really good in Bully. He also has a band, and the songs in the film are ones that he wrote for his band I believe.

As far as the film goes. My opinion differs, and I'm used to indie films, and even Gus Van Sant films.

As far as the murder suicide thing goes. I don't have a conclusion. However I do think it's a bit suspicious that Love was also rumored to have been linked to the death of former Hole bassist, Kristen Pfaff.

[SeaPlankton]

Of course he was murdered. How the hell should I know? What I read and know was he was opium addict, depressed out out of his mind though for some reason.

They found a gun, and him with no head, all you had to do was blow him away with his own gun holding the gun with a cloth. Do you people never watch Columbo?

Finally I just have to say my music is gheyer. Did you ever watch Flash Gordon, with the blonde hair and Football hat? I listen to that. "Flash Gordon, he's ALIVE", something has to be DONE.

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can you talk to the dead? :icon_shak

[mungopw]

i lived in seattle at the time of the murder and was involved with some of the same people (drug dealer) that kurt was, when kurt was awol from the treatment center and everyone was looking for him guess where he was? at the dope mans house. funny thing happened word on the street a day before being announced by the press was that kurt was murdered.......

[HelenaP]

i lived in seattle at the time of the murder and was involved with some of the same people (drug dealer) that kurt was,... word on the street a day before being announced by the press was that kurt was murdered.......

And you think Courtney won't have you disappear when "word" gets out on the street about your post (Think money paid for IP info)?

Welcome to ZP!

[mungopw]

haha i did do a disapearing act and now im hiding out here shhh please dont tell courtney! and thanks for the welcome.

[Mels_Smileys45]

haha i did do a disapearing act and now im hiding out here shhh please dont tell courtney! and thanks for the welcome.


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[alfry]

of course!

[ratcat]

I like to say "Happy Birthday Kurt"

In my part of the world today is 20th Feb. The day is one of the most famous left handed rockin' guitar, sing, songwriter birthday.

"Keep on Rockin the free world"
(Yes I know its a Neil Young song)



HAPPY BIRTHDAY KURT COBAIN

[snoopi13]

i think that Courtney killed him. btw, i read another forum dat this dude claims he saw Kurt in a mall in puerto rico... but who knows he could be R.I.P. like Notorious B.I.G. or hidding like 2Pac... like i said who knows.