A search engine For dc hubs [Archive]

Korn377135678

November 16th, 2002, 11:26 AM

This is a search engine for all(Well most) hubs in the dc network. : http://phats0.d2g.com/glo/
It works great to find the that rare item on dc without gointg to every hub and searching for it.I found the old the maxx mtv eps on it ;).The only thing tho is some hubs will ban you because it slows down thier hub.whitch i dont understand why.Becasuse it would seem like a normal search in a hub would slow it down the same :mellow Well anyway this is a great progie and really puts dc on league with kazza or edonkey.

notbob

November 16th, 2002, 12:19 PM

i run a hub--the ones that say it slows down the hub are misinformed idiots

it's no different than any other search in the system

microwiz

November 16th, 2002, 12:22 PM

Lots of hubs don't ban GLO-search because of speed issues. They ban it because it runs contrary to the spirit of filesharing, especially to the community ideal of a DC hub.

The key to filesharing on DC is that you join a hub with people who have similar interests to yours and share files with them. GLO-search instead promotes people joining many hubs for just long enough to start the download of a file that GLO-search found, then disconnecting. That's leeching - you're not there long enough for someone else to get your file list, much less to share!

All the hubs I frequent block or ban GLO-search, and I wouldn't have it any other way. If I notice someone downloading from me who's not connected to the hub, I block them at my firewall.

I know there are (a few?) people who use GLO-search but don't leech. I can't tell the difference between them and the leechers, though, and given that there are so many leechers using it, they're not going to get the benefit of the doubt.

Don't use GLO-search.

Korn377135678

November 16th, 2002, 01:15 PM

You know whats funny ;) is that i hear that
about every progie i use.Dc user say kazza is crap.Irc users say dc is.
And people have and still do(tho less now ) Say dc++ is evil.I and alot now of people now its not.Personaly I think dc would be dead with out dc++ and glo-search.Normal dc was always crashing.And wile hubs promote having just those files in the hub i.e. video hub,mp3 hub.But sucks If you want a new or rare item.I go to about 3 hubs daily .And some of them just dont have want i want nor do the big 1000 user hubs.This is why you have a user connect to 56 hubs at once.They want to find something .They cant normaily find..Me i wait if someone downloading off me.A leach tool?Well if you go to a hub normaily and some one does not download are you leaching .no. I think people should look at hack and crack of programs more then glo-search as "evil" .And most of the items you would look up full abulms,.isos,.rars,.avi will take many hours like 3 to4 or 20 hours forsome.More then enuff time to download off them.And if you saying a user is evil if they do not go back to that hub i say.nope.Thier has been some hubs that i have seen on glo-search and thats how i found a new hub i like.What i dont see is why coming from progies like napster and kazza people think having a search fuction that works is wrong.I dont leach.If any one wants my files they can download them from me. Its just me having to go to a hundred hubs to downlod a file is crazy.Im not saying use this for every file just the rarer or newer ones you can find on you fav hub or other hubs you have gone threw.

notbob

November 16th, 2002, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by microwiz
Lots of hubs don't ban GLO-search because of speed issues. They ban it because it runs contrary to the spirit of filesharing, especially to the community ideal of a DC hub.

anything that exists can be used the right way or the wrong way

if someone uses glosearch, it's a 1 in 2500 shot a) that they'll even find your hub,b)that they will even want something at your hub

as for whether they stay or go, without experimenting you will never find "the" hub you want on the first try--gloseach can narrow the field to hubs that have stuff you like

as for the "owners" that complain, it's totally easy to block if you want to, so they have nothing to bitch about

microwiz

November 16th, 2002, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Korn377135678
And most of the items you would look up full abulms,.isos,.rars,.avi will take many hours like 3 to4 or 20 hours forsome.More then enuff time to download off them.

How do you "download off them" if they join the hub, start their download, then disconnect from the hub? Their download will continue, but no one will be able to see their files or start a download from them.

That's leeching, IMHO, no two ways about it.

notbob

November 16th, 2002, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by microwiz

How do you "download off them" if they join the hub, start their download, then disconnect from the hub? Their download will continue, but no one will be able to see their files or start a download from them.

That's leeching, IMHO, no two ways about it.

you can do the same thing with regular neomodus dc--you don't need glosearch to do it

microwiz

November 16th, 2002, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by notbob

anything that exists can be used the right way or the wrong way

[snipped]

as for the "owners" that complain, it's totally easy to block if you want to, so they have nothing to bitch about

Right - it's just that GLO-search is generally used in the wrong way, at least from the experiences of the 6 or so hubs I frequent.

I have never, EVER heard someone say "hey guys, great hub! I found you using GLO-search and I'm going to stick around!" It's more like "who is <username> and why are they downloading from me if they didn't stay connected? oh yeah, they showed up right after that last GLO-search came through..."

It's not 'totally easy' to block either, with the hacked versions running around that make up a random 4-character beginning for the username each time. I'm guessing that the jerks using that version at least have some idea that it's evil, though.

microwiz

November 16th, 2002, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by notbob

you can do the same thing with regular neomodus dc--you don't need glosearch to do it

Sure - it's just that GLO-search almost guarantees it will happen, especially with plain-vanilla NMDC. Search, connect to hub A, start your download, search again, disconnect from hub A, connect to hub B, start your next download ...

No "sharing" there that I can see.

At least with dc++ you'd be able to stay in the hubs. Pity that several of the hubs I go to script against people connecting to more than 3 hubs at once, though, isn't it? :) (The ones that don't, kick the people who show up connected to 50+ hubs with only 2-3 slots open, too.)

notbob

November 17th, 2002, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by microwiz

At least with dc++ you'd be able to stay in the hubs. Pity that several of the hubs I go to script against people connecting to more than 3 hubs at once, though, isn't it? :) (The ones that don't, kick the people who show up connected to 50+ hubs with only 2-3 slots open, too.)

yes you will be in the hubs, but so what? if you are on 50 hubs with 3 slots, then a maximum of 3 of them can get files from you--then you are leeching on 47 hubs. or the converse, you are on 3 hubs sharing 20 slots--lots of people can connect, but their downloads go so slow that getting files is impossible

i personally believe in 1 or 2 hubs, 4 slots (i have a 128 line) they can get decent speeds, and everyone has a better shot at getting them

if you see someone downloading off of you and they aren't on the userlist, cut 'em off! if it happens consistently, call an op and have them banned

microwiz

November 17th, 2002, 12:00 PM

Yeah, I have cable (256kbit up) and I do 2-4 hubs, 6 slots. that way i could max out 6 56K users, or do better for broadband users if not all the slots are full :wings

Korn377135678

November 17th, 2002, 01:52 PM

First off i allways stay connected to hub im downloading from.And inless you catch a time when a persons a sleep.you will get kick from your downloads if your not thier.As far as the cracked or hacked ver.I have heard of this.But havent seen it or have seen it been talked about.Most people i talk to dont even know what glo is.But its true with any software you can do the "right" or "wrong thing".

notbob

November 17th, 2002, 04:20 PM

the cracked one is not a problem-- i see one of them maybe every 6 hours (as opposed to the regular one i see twice a second)

(on my hub, which is on the list--if you want to get rid of them make a private hub, but then you will never get any new users)

Korn377135678

November 17th, 2002, 05:44 PM

Very off topic but whats your hub for?

Crazy Horse

November 17th, 2002, 05:54 PM

What's the name of your hub? or IP? What do I look for?

method

November 17th, 2002, 06:15 PM

even without DC++, DC would NOT be dead. I'm not even gonna try and justify my statement, don't need to!!

notbob

November 17th, 2002, 06:21 PM

it's posted on musicmagnet a while ago, look for "turtleheadzone" in the hublist

share and share alike

its a music hub, but people share other stuff

Korn377135678

November 17th, 2002, 08:41 PM

I think because of the chat system. people want to force you into stay in a hub.alltho i like the chat webpage in kazza before they took it out.In one why i can see its dead for normal files>the one reason i go is for rare files.I mean hell kazza or any other p2p progie like it.You can get movies i.e dvd rips and screeners ahell of lot faster than the hubs.But full abulms in one folder is a great place to get mp3s.What i think hubs like comicnet for comicscans and this one music hub for Ogg lovers are the future of hubs of dc .inless Dc gets more rare items.It will go down.This is the only reason edonkey is still going.Even tho its
as slow as a snail

microwiz

November 18th, 2002, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by Will Rae
The reason stated - that GloSearch is banned is because people only stay long enough to download is crazy. They could equally well just join the hub long enough and do the same.

It's not that they "only stay long enough to download." They appear for just a minute or so, long enough to start their download, then disconnect.

It's actually no different than how people are frequently treated who connect and start a download, then leave the hub. Their connections are closed, and eventually their IPs are banned or their nicknames registered with passwords if a big enough stink is made.

GLO-search just makes this scenario much more likely, because people arrive already targeting a particular user and file. I suspect that locking out GLO-search and its cousin MoSearch++ helps reduce the occurrence of that scenario quite a bit.

Korn377135678

November 18th, 2002, 09:32 PM

Eh most of have been thinking Of the queues.lol

Ken17625

November 18th, 2002, 11:08 PM

Hey notbob

Whats the name(and/or address) of your DC hub? I use DC a lot. I share 15 gigs good files. I would like to check it out.

notbob

November 18th, 2002, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Korn377135678
They appear for just a minute or so.
A minute? What the hell are they downloading?Mp3s ? and only one mp3 by looking at a minutes time.

thats the whole thing--people are up in arms about them, when all it does is search for a file and go away--it's a 1 in a million shot that anyone will find what they want, and another million that they'll pick your hub to get it from

i think everyone should use it- its a good time saver

another fantasy i'd like to get rid of--just because you leave the hub, it doesn't mean your uploads end--you can upload the stuff they queued up long after you leave the hub

and what the hell! if someone leaves, and you didn't get the whole file, use glosearch or mosearch to track them down! it is surely a useful tool!

microwiz

November 19th, 2002, 07:49 AM

Korn377135678, I'm guessing that you must be new to Direct Connect.

You can start a download from someone on a hub and disconnect from the hub, and the download will continue until finished (or until someone closes the connection from the other end).

With GLO-search or MoSearch++, there's no way that anyone will be able to get your file list before you've disconnected (unless you're the 1 good soul in 1000 GLO users who sticks around while you download). A non-GLO-search/MoSearch++ user would have to notice you logged in, select you, get your file list, browse it, find something they liked, and start the download... all while you're still connected.

(It's true, they might just happen to have been running a search at the moment you connected, and maybe they can see a file they want from you in their search results. Not a very likely scenario, and they'd still have to start the download before you left.)

A GLO-search/MoSearch++ user doesn't have to do any of that. Their leech-tool has already found a file they want! They can pop in, fire up the download, and be gone in seconds.

If EVERYONE used them, that would be one thing - everyone would be on an equal footing then. (Not a good footing, but at least it would be equitable.) If NO ONE used them, well, it wouldn't be a problem then, would it...? The current situation is in between, which is where the problem lies, where the users take advantage of the non-users.

I think the GLO-search and MoSearch++ tools are capable of trashing whatever positive, knowledgeable file sharing community Direct Connect has been able to create, turning it into no more than a bad Kazaa knockoff. I'm happy to know that of the 6 hubs I visit, all of them have GLO- and MoS++ blocks up. (3 of them are private, and 1 is registered users only.)

I am glad to see that hubs have ways of blocking these two leech-tools, and I hope that more and more start doing it and keep doing it!

notbob

November 19th, 2002, 08:49 AM

do you run a hub microwiz?

you need some healthy skepticism, rather than puking back the baloney your ops feed you

ps ken & crazy--i pmed the hub info to you

Korn377135678

November 19th, 2002, 05:58 PM

LOL notbob.Yea microwiz that was stupid post i made before lol. One thing is you either like a program or you hate it.
Personaly i do not see why you hate it .Because you dont own a hub.But thats me.

Korn377135678

November 19th, 2002, 06:04 PM

If EVERYONE used them, that would be one thing - everyone would be on an equal footing then

Well dont you think we should tell more people so every has the same options?

microwiz

November 19th, 2002, 11:54 PM

Yup, I've run an NMDC hub, and I've tried and am also excited to see the ac/dc (YABBA) hub released. Built-in mldonkey, GLO-search, and MoS++ blocking! I found it particularly irritating when the GLO- and MoS++ tools apparently cached my hub's IP address from my brief appearance on the public lists and just kept hammering on my 'door'... I won't repeat that mistake again.

I also help run another hub and try to give helpful advice when possible to the other hubs I visit regularly. As I've mentioned before, at all of the hubs I visit regularly, the hub owners have GLO-search and MoSearch++ blocked.

Yes, I think people should be told about GLO-search and MoSearch++, as long as they're also told that lots of people dislike them intensely and that using them is liable to get you kicked, banned, or worse. That way hopefully there will be less whining than when people 'discover' the tools for themselves, try to leech with them, end up with their IP or even IP-block banned, and try to say "but I didn't know...!"

Because this way, they DO know.

OT: Woohoo! Look! They actually got a ZP t-shirt model who's blonde AND has arms! :)

movieman

November 27th, 2002, 11:59 PM

Sit back.....remember the day you started that incomplete file you have in your recieved folder....remember how excited you were to find such a thing...and for free....my God....

Now...sit up...the user has gone Offline....you cannot find the file in any hub you frequent at all.....you have a very nice looking filename and no way to finish the download....and forget about deleteing it because it's an .avi file and won't delete until finished...(Winxp mostly).

What are you gonna do?....

OH!...WOW!....A SEARCH TOOL?? Really??

Now you sit back up in your chair.....paste in the name of the file that has been sitting in your "recieved files" folder for a month.....click on "search"....and in just minutes you have found 10 users with the very same file for you to resume your download from....and WOW!...Hey I like this hub I'm in finishing my d/l from....I think I'll stay for a while.

Now I know this sounds funny and extreme and that some people misuse the search tool developed for users such as you and I but, this is what really happens.

I own my own hub on DC and have gained many new friends and users from their use of tools such as GloSearch and MoGlo. I would be more sway'd towards the down side if I could find one. Sure, there are users who abuse the tools to their own advantage but, aren't we all doing such a thing useing p2p programs in the first place....hmmm :D

check it out for yourself http://www.moglo.net

microwiz

November 28th, 2002, 09:49 AM

Your experience differs significantly from the hubs whose admins I know. They're constantly getting pounded by moglo and glo-search users, and pretty much everyone who shows up is a leecher who tries to start a download then disconnects.

As far as I can see, there is no UP side to using this tool, except in a short-sighted, "me first gimme gimme gimme" sense.

So the person you were downloading from logged out... does this automatically mean you can't have the patience to wait for them to return, and must do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get that file, RIGHT NOW?

If you've got decent enough broadband to be trying to d/l movies, I'd suggest finding another copy, the old-fashoned way. If you can resume from it, great! If not, no great shakes to delete from command prompt and start over - I've done it several times myself (the "can't delete file" thing is frequently fixable from the command prompt).

It IS possible to use p2p services in a cooperative way that enriches others - I've done it and I've seen others doing it. It's about wanting to share, not wanting to grab. Glo- and MoS++ aren't about wanting to share. Perhaps it's just that it seems most of their users misuse it that way... but it's the impression the users gives that lead to the kicks, the bans, and so on.

At least MoS++ was nice enough to make it easy to block...

notbob

November 28th, 2002, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by microwiz
... pretty much everyone who shows up is a leecher who tries to start a download then disconnects.

how do you know? the people who use it come in later after they find the file--glo and mo only search the users--they don't start any downloads

the user comes back (under their own username) and downloads the file they want--now unless you are clairvoyant, how can you tell which users used glo or mo, and which ones didn't?

also if the hubs you like ban glo and mo, they are not experiencing any glo or mo users, so how can they say they are leeches?

now that's 2 hub operators that say it's cool--you are being outvoted

microwiz

November 29th, 2002, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by notbob

the user comes back (under their own username) and downloads the file they want--now unless you are clairvoyant, how can you tell which users used glo or mo, and which ones didn't?

A single GLO-search user connects, disconnects, then immediately afterwards a never-before-seen user connects, starts a download from a well-known user, and disconnects from the hub before it's complete. (The well-known user usually drops him at that time.)

It's not causality, but it happens a lot, and it's good enough for me. YMMV.

microwiz

November 29th, 2002, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by notbob

now that's 2 hub operators that say it's cool--you are being outvoted

Bahahah, outvoted.

I know 6 hub ops (7 including myself) and none of them will tolerate any form of automated search tool entering their hubs. Some of their negative feelings become quite heated about that, in fact. Most of them elect to stay off the public hub list as a result.

This is not an election. "Voting" to say that this tool is "cool" will not make the leeches using it behave any better. They will remain in the majority and will continue to abuse it, and if the hub operator is clued in about this abuse they'll take steps to stop it.

Education of the hub operators and of users who might be making the mis-choice to use one of these automated search tools is what really matters. Hopefully some of these people are getting that from this thread.

notbob

November 29th, 2002, 02:32 PM

great now all you need is some EVIDENCE that it is a leeching tool, rather than your uninformed opinion

like i've said many times before

a)all glo/mo do is search--they don't download anything

b)the user has to CHOOSE your hub, and the odds of that are slim (depending on the amount of results found) that they will choose yours

c)if you don't like it, ban it (as your buddies have) and you will have nothing to complain about (the hacks that are unbannable are not official versions, in fact the designers of mo/glo frown upon leeching)

d)by continually resurrecting this thread, you bring more attention to glo/mo, thereby introducing more people to it than had already seen it

e)if someone wants to leech, they will, and no amount of preaching will stop them (and they will do it with or without glo/mo)

notbob

November 29th, 2002, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by microwiz

A single GLO-search user connects, disconnects, then immediately afterwards a never-before-seen user connects, starts a download from a well-known user, and disconnects from the hub before it's complete. (The well-known user usually drops him at that time.)

It's not causality, but it happens a lot, and it's good enough for me. YMMV.

how do you see this? the hubs you frequent ban glosearch, so it sounds like hearsay to me

as search results pop up glosearch gives results for lots of hubs--they don't necessarily come right away--they could show up in a hub the next day if they wanted to

microwiz

December 5th, 2002, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by notbob
d)by continually resurrecting this thread, you bring more attention to glo/mo, thereby introducing more people to it than had already seen it

e)if someone wants to leech, they will, and no amount of preaching will stop them (and they will do it with or without glo/mo)

Yup, happy to keep resurrecting it. I don't mind bringing attention to the two tools as long as the point that they are evil, used by leechers, and will get you banned is made as well.

The 'if someone wants to leech, they will' argument doesn't scale. GLO- and MoS++ scale up the number of leechers, and their ability to leech, greatly.

One leecher is not a big problem for a hub - disconnect'em, kick'em, ban'em. I suspect plenty of hubs come to the same conclusion about these two searchtools too. Keep them from coming in and you're miles ahead.

So users, don't use these tools. They're bad. Hub ops, consider banning them both. Wouldn't you rather the people who come to get the content your users are sharing be people who come to your hub regularly, people you know?

microwiz

December 7th, 2002, 09:41 AM

The latest release of dc++ now can be set to AUTOMATICALLY DISCONNECT people who join your hub, start a download, then leave the hub!

They say it's a controversial feature, but I say it R3WLZ0rZ FROM 0RB1T!

In dc++ 0.20, click Settings, Advanced tab, and check the box next to "Automatically disconnect uploads to users who leave the hub". (You MAY need to close dc++ and restart it to get it working.)

I've tested it and it works wonderfully! It's even set up to re-grant extra slots to people who just have their connection drop, come back, and might not be able to get in otherwise...

Now people can GLO- and MoS++ all they want, and they'll have to stay if they want to get the file from a dc++ 0.20 user... THAT'S what I call file sharing. :)

notbob

December 7th, 2002, 09:56 AM

now we can both be happy!

hooray!

Ken17625

December 7th, 2002, 12:10 PM

I use MoSearch. It helps me find content but also helps me find hubs I wan't to be connected to. Just yesterday I found a great hub I never knew existed. I stayed in the hub for a good 24 hours in which I uploaded about twice as much as I downloaded. I got my file. And I shared with that hub. MoSearch is NOT a leeching tool. To ban it would be impeding progress on something good.

Ken17625

December 7th, 2002, 12:17 PM

The latest release of dc++ now can be set to AUTOMATICALLY DISCONNECT people who join your hub, start a download, then leave the hub!

Its a good feature. Although I sometime leave DC++ running and then I sometimes get disconnected from the hub without knowing. Then I usually log back in when I notice. Oh well. IF it stops leeching off of hubs, i'm all for it.