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wessman
November 16th, 2002, 10:48 AM
87GB On DVD-Sized Media
from the you-will dept.
posted by timothy on Thursday November 14, @16:40 (tech)
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/14/2016258

[0]BostonMACOSX points to this report in the Detroit News that says, in part, "Boston College researchers have found a way to store about [1]19 times more data on a disk than a common DVD can hold, using optical media made with common products, the December issue of Nature Materials reports." And it's a mix of high and low tech: the disk is formed of "an epoxy glue sold at hardware stores and a glass-like substance," but written with a currently expensive laser.

Links:
0. http://bostonmacosx.dyndns.org/
1. http://www.detnews.com/2002/technology/0211/11/technology-6924.htm

Researchers boost computer data storage with common materials
By John Stebbins / Bloomberg News

NEWTON, Mass. -- Boston College researchers have found a way to store about 19 times more data on a disk than a common DVD can hold, using optical media made with common products, the December issue of Nature Materials reports.

An epoxy glue sold at hardware stores and a glass-like substance were formed into a DVD-size disk able to hold about 87 gigabytes, equal to 87,000 paperback books. A typical DVD holds about 4.7 gigabytes. The discovery is unique because the materials remained stable, keeping data intact, the project's leader said.

Companies including International Business Machines Corp. are exploring ways to increase computer data-storage capacity, while reducing costs and size in devices ranging from desktop personal computers to massive machines able to hold the contents of the U.S. Library of Congress. Optical storage holds less data than a magnetic hard-disk drive yet is more stable and rugged.

"This all began when we were trying to do something completely different with the materials," said John Fourkas, a chemistry professor who led the research at Boston College's Eugene F. Merkert Chemistry Center. "It was by accident."

The researchers used a laser set at a specific intensity and focal range to write information digitally in layers by causing a chemical change in the material.

When the same laser was set at a lower intensity and fired at the same area, the material gave off a fluorescent glow indicating readable data was present. Lasers used on standard DVDs and compact discs read pits either engraved on the surface by another laser or stamped in mass production.

With the Fourkas-led team's discovery, in the area known as 3D optical-data storage, the changed material is transparent when not hit directly by the lower-intensity laser. That lets the laser focus on different levels in the material to write and read digital data, Fourkas said. So, far, researchers have been able to write data on as many as 25 levels, he said in an interview.

"We don't yet know how this happens, exactly," Fourkas said.

The materials that the team used are stable, and the data don't degrade after repeated readings by the low-intensity laser.

The discovery began about three years ago, Fourkas said, when fellow researchers Christopher Olson and Michael Previte saw that some materials emitted light, or fluoresced, when hit by a laser beam.

"We thought it might be useful for something," Fourkas said.

Specific research on the phenomenon began about a year and half ago, funded by a $344,000 grant from the U.S. Air Force, Fourkas said.

"The Air Force is interested in having stable memory devices capable of storing large amounts of data in a small device in satellites and airplanes," he said.

Olson, currently a graduate student in Fourkas' laboratory, and Previte, now a postdoctoral fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, co-authored with Fourkas the Nature Materials report: "Efficient and Robust Multiphoton Data Storage in Molecular Glasses and Highly Crosslinked Polymers."

The researchers have applied for a patent, Fourkas said. They haven't been in contact with any companies about the discovery.

A number of issues still need to be worked out, Fourkas said. One is that once data is written to the disk, it can't be changed. Each disk has to be written individually, he said. A mass- production method would need to be found to lower costs.

The cost of the laser also is prohibitive.

"The one we use is about $100,000," Fourkas said. The cost would come down with mass production, he said.

phalkon30
November 16th, 2002, 11:17 AM
This story and some similar storys can be found at www.cdr-info.com

just imagine....backing up an 80 gig hard drive onto one cd instead of (roughly) 115 700meg cds

even if this new media is expensive, it could outweigh the cost of buy over a hundred cds (assuming the technology does come down in price)

this has got me drooling allready



(the actual story at cdr-info is http://cdr-info.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=3047 )

wessman
November 16th, 2002, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by ryan2_2
maybe u should put some of the stuff in the news section. some of it is great and some ppl don't check the forums

ryan2_2:

I used to be a (the?) major new story contributer here, and an admin, but I simply don't have the time anymore to do that stuff formally, the way I'd want to. But I have encouraged ZP readers to please post any news stories from the forums to the news page. Anybody can submit a news story. A news admin will simply approve it (maybe copy-edit it) and push it live.

phalkon30
November 16th, 2002, 12:31 PM
yes dealie, this is not the first technology to pack a lot into a small area, BUT

i would much rather carry around one disc than have 20 to search through, size of the media doesnt bother me,i just dont want to restore a computer from 20 cds, thats just inconvenient

there are also other technologys promising 100gig on one cd, BUT, its 50gig on each side

i still think this is a worthy article

if you want more reading, here are some links

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2097652,00.html
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t277-s2112183,00.html
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=philips+blue+laser+tech


Edit: this is quoted from zdnet "The drive uses 3cm discs that can store up to 1GB of data. Typical CDs, measuring 12cm in diameter, can hold up to 650MB of data"

so dealie, how is that 100's of gigs in one cd....i havent found that on even one site yet, i would appreciate you not using such "fuzzy math"

trickclaw
November 16th, 2002, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by wessman


ryan2_2:

I used to be a (the?) major new story contributer here, and an admin, but I simply don't have the time anymore to do that stuff formally, the way I'd want to. But I have encouraged ZP readers to please post any news stories from the forums to the news page. Anybody can submit a news story. A news admin will simply approve it (maybe copy-edit it) and push it live.
Definitely THE major news contributer. You still have the record for most news posts :sw

HansG
November 16th, 2002, 04:20 PM
Personally I doubt DVD writers will ever really break through... consumers know that the successor of the DVD disc is already in the making, it's just a matter of waiting for the right/best technology to make it's way to the mass market.

I personally love the idea, I think it's Philips (again Philips), of storing 100 gig on a 1 inch disc... that would be truly fantastic.
I think DVD/CDs are just too big in size.

phalkon30
November 16th, 2002, 05:05 PM
hans, if you want to go that far ahead, i see holographic cubes as the next technology

this isnt exactly new technology, but in theory the only moving part would be the laser, so it would be nearly skip proof, basicly depending on the wavelength of the laser, it would read different depths of the cube, why only write data in 2d, when you could have 3d

think of the possibilitys

i couldnt find a good link to somewhere that explains this tech, but this thread isnt really about cubes either

Skeptikal
November 16th, 2002, 05:22 PM
As a matter of fact it does allready exists , doesnt it ?
The main problem of hollografic storage is the huge place needed... But it is true, you can store a lot of data in a small hollografic cube.

phalkon30
November 16th, 2002, 05:31 PM
yes it does exist, and it works, just not very well, they have the cubes at about the size of a sugar cube, but the required optics are what is holding this back, the setup is huge

wessman
November 16th, 2002, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by trickclaw
Definitely THE major news contributer. You still have the record for most news posts :sw

I know we can go here to find the top forum posters:
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/memberlist.php?s=&what=topposters&perpage=100

...but where is the page that used to list top News/Homepage posters? There used to be one. Jorge, Matt, anybody?

HansG
November 17th, 2002, 05:35 AM
phalkon30, at the moment I don't think holographic cubes are realistic, that's too far into the future.

But all these formats waiting to take over from the DVD-format... I think that's pretty realistic and at the same time bizarre: I mean, how long has DVD been around? We don't even have decent DVD-writers yet and there's already a couple of formats much better than DVD.

So I don't see why I should buy a DVD writer, I doubt they will travel the same road as the CD-writer (it took many years for prices to fall, and only 2 years ago it really did). Afterall, the CD is already an ancient format, but an excellent one: it was only about a year or two ago when people suddenly thought the 650/700 MB of space it provided wasn't enough. Totally irrelevant, but I also happen to own an audio cd-player that was bought in the time when cds just started coming out (they all had an explanation about what a cd is why it is so great inside the booklet), and it is still running without a problem.

Yes, the DVD-format is already obsolete before I have had the time to burn my first DVD... DVD-writers will never become more than a gimmick so they will always be expensive.

If you really want people to buy it, we must make a major leap forward, and one that will last for at least a decade. In other words: we might keep the DVD-video format, but nothing else. I don't see DVD music taking off either.

awsom1
November 17th, 2002, 06:28 AM
Looking on the other side of the coin...what if the 87GB disk gets a little scratched or damaged and becomes unreadable? Does that mean that I lose my 115 CDs' worth of data just like that? Just think about it. :tol

crackerjacker
November 17th, 2002, 07:56 AM
I used to be a (the?) major new story contributer here, and an admin, but I simply don't have the time anymore to do that stuff formally, the way I'd want to. But I have encouraged ZP readers to please post any news stories from the forums to the news page. Anybody can submit a news story. A news admin will simply approve it (maybe copy-edit it) and push it live.

heh u sure have* posted news stories, he he
me if i wanna post a news article and it wont be pushed in the news section, all i simply do it post it in the forums thread, *he he*
i have done that lots to, just because if i felt i wanted to post it, i did,
lol, but yeah u post likes of nice articles there
i like this one
how much would something like this cost.
awesome
btw this is fuking nice, especially since u can use tht to back up your files, and believe me its good for lots of reasons.
holding home videos, backing up your cds, dam i would love one of these.
:P

FriedSpam
November 17th, 2002, 12:00 PM
-hope they package it like a minidisc. I'd hate to get one scratched as awsom1 says.....

phalkon30
November 17th, 2002, 12:46 PM
all i meant by the holographic cube thing, was i think it will be the next technology past dvds, i didnt mean it would happen tommorow and destroy the dvd market, i mean in the future, that looks like the most promising technology, dvds have a dissadvantage because they have too many moving parts, that will change

but i do agree with you guys, that is a LOONG way off

ryan2_2
November 17th, 2002, 02:08 PM
that was what ment by my post. the only prob is that that we're goin to be dead by the time it catches on. i guess i didnt make the meaning clear.