is there anything secure...

[moysatos]

i believe not why because if something was made from man it can be distroyed by man(hacked) and for file sharing we should just hope it wont be our turn and enable everyone encrypted outgoing protocaol

[barrakuda]

You're never 100% secure it's all about discouragement through diffcultly of un-encrypting

[anonymous666]

peerguardian, google it

[Xtripit]

If you think PeerGuardian makes you 100% safe, then you are seriously mistaken. I use IP filters myself, and while yes it is safer, the people out to hurt P2P seem to have pretty much unlimited resources in doing so. Getting 100 or 1.000 brandnew IPs is not above them at any time.

Sharing on private networks is way safer. Even sharing on private BitTorrent sites is way safer, simply because the organisations that are suing people want to do it as cheap and profitable as possible.

The best sites are those that never open signup and only give out invites, so you can invite friends and other good people. Well the traders of accounts and invites are destroying that ideal as well, because they don't seem to care at all who they allow on the sites, as long as they get a good deal from it.

If other words nothing is completely secure.

[bringitawn]

Interesting Xtripit. I thought perrguardian made you fallible but it seems I am wrong. I also use hide IP platinum, and stick to private sites these days. I had a friend recently get sent a lett from his ISP threatining him to stop or else... It'll be interesting to see who wins the battle in the next few years.

[capone2323]

Over the next 5-10 years, you wont be able to curse in front of your computer w-out getting a ticket! Technology is unbeatable especially when the other side has more $ n resources! We have to donate to our sites to help them keep up with technology! It will be a battle then!

[el-dulche]

peerguardian, google it

peerguardian can get a little annoying when randomly surfing even if you only block p2ps... it will sometimes block random websites like aol

[hawkburn]

peerguardian can get a little annoying when randomly surfing even if you only block p2ps... it will sometimes block random websites like aol

I thought (at least in previous versions, I no longer use it) that you could disable the blocking of HTTP protocol. (This would effectively let you surf without it blocking AOL, Riaa.com etc)

[mountain_rage]

If you think PeerGuardian makes you 100% safe, then you are seriously mistaken. I use IP filters myself, and while yes it is safer, the people out to hurt P2P seem to have pretty much unlimited resources in doing so. Getting 100 or 1.000 brandnew IPs is not above them at any time.

Sharing on private networks is way safer. Even sharing on private BitTorrent sites is way safer, simply because the organisations that are suing people want to do it as cheap and profitable as possible.

The best sites are those that never open signup and only give out invites, so you can invite friends and other good people. Well the traders of accounts and invites are destroying that ideal as well, because they don't seem to care at all who they allow on the sites, as long as they get a good deal from it.

If other words nothing is completely secure.

Private sites may not necessarily be more secure. The reason I say this is that they are well known resources for filesharing content and often the main alley to which other filesharing networks and sites get their content. So by that logic they are a bigger target for the RIAA/MPAA then public sites because shutting them down causes a bigger impact. In my opinion public and private have no difference in security and only differ in the quality of the content due to higher moderation on private sites.

[silentscream]

i wonder how many riaa ppl have got into invite only sites through this sites invite trade forum ??

5 ?
50 ??

who knows

.

[meyou123]

Rule #1 THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 100% SECURE P2P!

Rule #2 If you are ever in doubt over weather or not a file sharing program is secure....see rule #1!

[wavecatcher]

i once got so paranoid that i almost stopped downloading entirely. (that was before i came to this website) then i read a couple of posts and i did a little research, and found out that there is nothing like 100% secure.

But what help was knowing that i use private torrent sites to make it just a little safer.

if you really want to be as safe as possible you want a dynamic ip address. i hear it is one of the safest ways to share P2P.

[apt_quadruped]

Ya, just use real private trackers. If you have a dynamic IP that actually has good speeds, then you really don't need to worry about anything.

[hawkburn]

Ya, just use real private trackers. If you have a dynamic IP that actually has good speeds, then you really don't need to worry about anything.

While (most) ISP's do not actively monitor your traffic, it is mandatory that they keep logs of which customer used which IP at what time. Thus, should a subpoena come to their home office, they are able to tell the authorities exactly who was using the dynamic IP at that time. This process I believe was initially made for child predators/online fraud, but I guess it has it's uses for anti-piracy companies as well.

[mountain_rage]

A dynamic IP address is only good if the ISP does not have long information retention. If the IP address is stored for half a year along with the time you had that IP address you are just as screwed as if you had a Static IP address. If you don't know the policy for this and are paying extra for a dynamic IP address then I suggest you find out before you waste your money.

[hawkburn]

A dynamic IP address is only good if the ISP does not have long information retention. If the IP address is stored for half a year along with the time you had that IP address you are just as screwed as if you had a Static IP address. If you don't know the policy for this and are paying extra for a dynamic IP address then I suggest you find out before you waste your money.

That seems ironic. Dynamic IP is the default for my DSL ISP, and from what I've heard most home ISP's. I would have to pay an extra $30-50/month to get a static. :D

[mountain_rage]

That seems ironic. Dynamic IP is the default for my DSL ISP, and from what I've heard most home ISP's. I would have to pay an extra $30-50/month to get a static. :D

Really? Well at least my advice is sound my knowledge is lacking tho. I guess thats what happens when your a poor student living rent free in your parents attic, don't know the cost of services. Still they should be checking the retention time, anything under a couple months is golden.

[Cheesy_member]

try protowall, does a similar job to peerguardian, but at system level

[enter8]

IP Filtering - worthless.

Countless number of people have gotten infringement notices while under the false assumption that they were protected by filtering.

Dynamic IPs - worthless as well.

Regardless of whether or not your IP is static or dynamic, it tracks back to your ISP, and, ultimately, to you. If you file share illegally and the company captures your IP address, they'll sent an infringement letter to your ISP and they'll forward it to you. Dynamic IPs are not anonymous.

The best way is to stick to small private trackers. At least it's the best way for the moment. The way I see it, the party's drawing to close shortly and even small private trackers will be no refuge for scoundrels like ourselves :) Ideally a viable alternate solution will emerge before then. I'm not optimistic, having taken a long look at the current options (Tor, Freenet, I2P, Waste, etc.) and not seeing anything truly viable in sight.

When there's a will, there's a way, though. I'm sure that towards the end of Napster, someone was posting a similarly pessimistic sentiment about the future of file sharing and then, bam, bittorrent came into the picture. Who knows what's next? I just wish it would be sooner rather than later. Even on small private sites, I'm feeling a little more exposed than I'd like to be- and I'm sure I'm not alone in this sentiment.

[isus]

Speaking of security, I was looking at one of our Packeteer's the other day and saw an entry for ESV or ES5 or whatever those retards called themselves. Ahh, the good old days...

[VirusMage]

peerguardian can get a little annoying when randomly surfing even if you only block p2ps... it will sometimes block random websites like aol

Just keep it on while using P2P programs and turn it off if it is blocking something you need.

[Southgate]

I don't even bother with the http blocking. You have to either be beyond anal to use it or have the time to unblock every site you go to.

[Zombieman123]

I live where downloading copyrighted material isn't illegal, so I'm safe. But Protowall is pretty good.

[meyou123]

If you live in the US, the safest file sharing you can get right now is newsgroups!

Just leech and you will be OK....so far no one has been sued for just leeching off of newsgroups.

[Mels_Smileys45]

That seems ironic. Dynamic IP is the default for my DSL ISP, and from what I've heard most home ISP's. I would have to pay an extra $30-50/month to get a static. :D


I think thats somewhat true, well it is but I know mine (cable) does not change everytime I reconnect. If I leave my pc down for a long time my chance of getting a new ip improves.

Like said above, everyone stop sharing, give up and just leech files from a pay service where you make people lots of money for hosting illegal content. P2P has never been so awesome.

[desidoh]

Hi all

Just thought I'd add to the debate.

I use Steganos Internet Anonym VPN when i'm accessing bittorrent files. It's not free and I pay about $70 - 80 a year.

https://www.steganos.com/us/products/home-office/internet-anonym-vpn/overview/

It creates a VPN and my IP address is hidden behind the Steganos Servers. They don't keep any records and the speeds are pretty good.

Has anyone else tried anything similar?

So if you want extra piece of mind and don't mind paying, I would recommend this (and no I dont work for them!)

The only downside is that I only have a 25gig limit each month, which isnt great if you are trying to maintain ratios on private tracker sites!

[lezwez]

You have to watch out for some VPN people some providers accually collect data for this purpose i would recomend reading alot about it first then use them once you are 100 percent sure

[desidoh]

Yes lezwez, good advice. The only reason I bought the Steganos product was the fact that they stated that they didn't keep any records or data. So if anyone else is interested do some research as lezwez says or try newsgroups. That's about as secure as you can get at the moment IMHO

[ronhennesy]

Is it safer the less u download. I only download maybe 3 movies a week , if that.
IS THAT A LOT?

[manakazero]

Is it safer the less u download. I only download maybe 3 movies a week , if that.
IS THAT A LOT?

One would think you would be better off than those downloading 3+ movies a day, but there's always stories about some guy who downloaded 3 songs and got sued by the RIAA.

[xguju]

thinking about these things makes me worry that the government might look into this and find another way to harrass file sharers.

[Mikzand]

I dont think filesharing will ever be secure but if you use peerguardian, private trackers, encrytion and a proxy connection odds are much better. Fx i Sweden you can buy a high speed anomynous broadband connection. Cost like 7 euros a month. and it is encrypted so that not even your isp will know what your are doing. (Relakks.com)

Mikzand

[meyou123]

i once got so paranoid that i almost stopped downloading entirely. (that was before i came to this website) then i read a couple of posts and i did a little research, and found out that there is nothing like 100% secure.

But what help was knowing that i use private torrent sites to make it just a little safer.

if you really want to be as safe as possible you want a dynamic ip address. i hear it is one of the safest ways to share P2P.

Yeah, that is decent protection, though you still run the risk of some exposure.

Again, nothing is 100% safe, but newsgroups are about as close as you are going to get.

[fridex]

peerguardian vista release isnt available yet..thats not nice for vista users

[meyou123]

peerguardian vista release isnt available yet..thats not nice for vista users



LOL! "not nice"??? OK, now I have heard it all!

[randomguy132]

I use Demonoid (so hopefully it returns) because I feel a little safer with a private (or semi-private if you wanna call it that) tracker. I also use PeerGuardian. I couldn't get ProtoWall to work with my system, unfortunately.

So the RIAA goes after people for music, and MPAA goes after people for movies.

Does anyone actually get prosecuted for downloading TV shows or Software? I had a friend get a warning letter from HBO, but that's the most I've heard of.

[HelenaP]

Edited. I misread.

[jazzedup]

I dont feel safe with private trackers(thought i use a lot of em) after I read about WiiVii or whatever it was gonna be...

[thepuzzler]

...but if you use peerguardian, private trackers, encrytion....

For the last time, bittorrent protocal encryption (RC4) does *nothing* to hide your identity or the data you are downloading. Notta, zip.

It was an attempt to get around early packet shaping efforts from various ISP's and it worked for a little while. That is, until most of them upgraded their packet-shaping technology, rendering current encryption feeble at best.

There's so much mis-information in this thread it's not even funny.

[deetc]

One thing I don't like about private trackers is that they have some records on your in their database (user name, password, email address, upload/download, etc..) which can be used against you if the servers get seized.

However, think of it another way, who would they rather bust, a site with a million users, or a site limited to 10000 users?

[meyou123]

One thing I don't like about private trackers is that they have some records on your in their database (user name, password, email address, upload/download, etc..) which can be used against you if the servers get seized.

However, think of it another way, who would they rather bust, a site with a million users, or a site limited to 10000 users?



Well two private sites (loki torrent and elite torrents) were ALREADY busted years ago by the FBI and although they jailed a few owners and administrators of the site's themselves....nothing ever came of them suing users.

They DID go over loki torrents logs with a fine tooth comb too, but they were never able to find anything to go to court with.

So I don't think the doomsday scenario you talk about will happen. Does that not mean you cannot get sued even if you are on a private tracker? NO! But it does reduce your chances from that of a public tracker.

[thepuzzler]

Loki Torrent wasn't really "private", it's just that you had to register to download.

Elite torrents got shafted on the Star Wars leak.

[meyou123]

Loki Torrent wasn't really "private", it's just that you had to register to download.

Elite torrents got shafted on the Star Wars leak.

I was a part of Loki before it was shut down and it did not have the speeds of a public tracker, they were very fast like elite torrents or even torrentleech.

So I don't see how it could have been a public tracker.

[thepuzzler]

Same I was a member too, and to their porn spin-off site (who's name escapes me) (Mufftorrents maybe?).

My point is, Loki wasn't really private because they never closed the registrations.