It's time to take action Jorge

[testicles]

One of your mods is openly trolling the forums. Maybe that's not a behaviour that should be encouraged.

Seph was removed for less. He was obstinate and headstrong, but I don't ever remember him using his signature or writing poetry to attack members.

Neither of letstrade and lookingfortrades seem to have that problem if you're thinking that there's nobody else to head your bt stuff. Not suggesting you should replace this guy, but maybe you could sit him down and explain that his position requires a little decorum.

[testicles]

If you're deeply appreciative of my bitching, I'll point out that according to the bt thread pamela69 is still a mod. She appears to have banned someone here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=480374&postcount=15730) for calling her boring.

I asked about that a few weeks ago in feedback but I can't seem to find the thread anymore.

[mrpspster]

If you're deeply appreciative of my bitching, I'll point out that according to the bt thread pamela69 is still a mod. She appears to have banned someone here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=480374&postcount=15730) for calling her boring.

I asked about that a few weeks ago in feedback but I can't seem to find the thread anymore.


Pamela69,has worked her butt off in that thread.To try and keep it legit.Just because you don´t use or are after p2p trackers,shouldn´t diminuish her job.It wasn´t just because he called her that,it could of been any other name.It would still be wrong to do so.Evene if she is not a mod,but she cleans and gives credibililty to that parte of the forum.
As for your other coments,i dont´know who your are talking to.So i can´t give my opinion.

[silentscream]

she didnt ban the guy

and he was banned for 3 days

not sure why

and pamela69 isnt boring shes a nut job

but if she keeps to the rules iv little problem with her being here

.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

I have to agree.

No banfests for boredom.

[MoonMan]

pameral69 isnt boring shes a nut job

Quoted for truth.

And testicles, I appreciate your bitching. Honestly I do. When a mod is obviously acting way out of line, it's up to the members to do something.

[Jorge]

Ya, i think the banning is a little out of control thus why we have infractions.

And now that the BT forums have rules of entry things should calm down a bit.

But, you are right it is up to the members and not me or one person.

[Pamela69]

Seems like people round here get their dangley bits in a knot very easily
over what goes over in the Trading Thread.......

I really don't know why .......but hold on......any controversy is fodder for
the chalking up off Post counts....Isn't it.....

U know ....I agree with u guy's .....lets bitch about anything and everything
cause that will do wonders for our post count won't it....

I will even throw u a bone .....Yep Pamela is a fruitcake.....I agree with u
looks like I've come to the right place then haven't I....

One things for sure the Trading thread is practically running on it's own
steam with minimum interference from anybody,
and that is a far cry from the days when it was so much out of control that
it had to be closed on two separate occasions in the last six months.....

And as far as banning is concerned,one of our members was Temp Banned
for 2 weeks....he has now come back to us and he's a number one Trader

One of our best....

You know what he learnt in his absence .....that to be a member of

Zeropaid is a privilege ...not a right,to be taken for granted...

Something that u guy's have long forgotten.....

Regards ...the nut job.

[testicles]

This thread wasn't started about the trading thread at all. Bit of a persecution complex?

If I had my "druthers", I'd druther you stuck with this color because it doesn't actually hurt my eyes to read it.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Fruitcake isn't good any time of the year.

Oh shit...I just raised my post count!

Surely, that's all I'm good for here.

[moneoa]

I thought she was demodded and (sonashu?) Modded in her place.
To be frank I don't even know what the hell is going on over here.

Mods allowed to troll members and go on banning sprees (two different ones)

wtf....not cool.

Here is another post to my count :P I feel so vindicated.
Testicles you bring to mind some of the fun parts of the
old days with A Team Van and Col Decker..Plasmas..
hell..I just wish I could figure out your original handle in the Forums :P

[Potato]

*posts just to raise post count*


Check out the definition of trolling on urban dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling)...

[testicles]

You must be going off of the deep end.

If you look, the rep system has two settings:
1. positive
2. negative

The person giving the points gets to decide which it is. I might understand your foolishness if I had wrote "you're a nutty crackwhore", but I wrote nothing of the kind. Just grin and bear it.

[moneoa]

You must be going off of the deep end.

If you look, the rep system has two settings:
1. positive
2. negative

The person giving the points gets to decide which it is. I might understand your foolishness if I had wrote "you're a nutty crackwhore", but I wrote nothing of the kind. Just grin and bear it.lol why did you have to admit who you were, I was enjoying your alter ego

[testicles]

I'm not trying to keep it a secret. If you look, I haven't posted under any other name for some time.

[moneoa]

I think a soap opera needs to be written about this place
it would be fabulous...so many home bodies would tune into
this shit like it was 90210 all over again.

[silentscream]

moth to a flame lol

.

[shallowhall]

One of your mods is openly trolling the forums. Maybe that's not a behaviour that should be encouraged.

Seph was removed for less. He was obstinate and headstrong, but I don't ever remember him using his signature or writing poetry to attack members.

Neither of letstrade and lookingfortrades seem to have that problem if you're thinking that there's nobody else to head your bt stuff. Not suggesting you should replace this guy, but maybe you could sit him down and explain that his position requires a little decorum.

Well I was banned because I said that ZP wasn't what it used to be, and somebody banned me for a while. Some people just do what they feel like to, to much power.

[sonusahu]

OMG! this thread was started on march 5th and until now i hadn't had a look into it lol.


Well I was banned because I said that ZP wasn't what it used to be, and somebody banned me for a while. Some people just do what they feel like to, to much power.


u were not banned. i neg repped, infracted u because u said something criticizing about "zeropaid members" who use the bittorrent invite thread that too in the reputed/good members/traders list here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/bittorrent-invite-trading-forum/t-reputedgood-traders-list-41544.html). incidentally in the first post of that thread
i had put a warning that any person flaming other members will be temp banned for atleast 2 weeks. the exact words that i put in ur infraction message were "i wud have banned u for 2 weeks for ur comments, but that would be too harsh".

reason for the other guys banning is provided in the mods thread.

[shallowhall]

OMG! this thread was started on march 5th and until now i hadn't had a look into it lol.




u were not banned. i neg repped, infracted u because u said something criticizing about "zeropaid members" who use the bittorrent invite thread that too in the reputed/good members/traders list here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/bittorrent-invite-trading-forum/t-reputedgood-traders-list-41544.html). incidentally in the first post of that thread
i had put a warning that any person flaming other members will be temp banned for atleast 2 weeks. the exact words that i put in ur infraction message were "i wud have banned u for 2 weeks for ur comments, but that would be too harsh".

reason for the other guys banning is provided in the mods thread.

You can ban me forever, but I never said anything about any member in ZP, get your facts correct, the only thing I wrote was that ZP wasn't what it used to be, I can't say nothing about anyone, when I don't know anyone here, I said that so many rules were stupid, and they are, and if that is enough reason to ban me just go ahead, you see ZP will never be what it used to be, and now I know a little more that I used to, so saying that there are better sites now to learn from.
By the way to took my rep points away, you just keep abusing your power, sooner or later what you do catches up with you. " with great power comes great responsability" Just don't abuse it, I challenge you to show me who did I insulted, or what I said that was ok to ban me.

[shallowhall]

OMG! this thread was started on march 5th and until now i hadn't had a look into it lol.




u were not banned. i neg repped, infracted u because u said something criticizing about "zeropaid members" who use the bittorrent invite thread that too in the reputed/good members/traders list here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/bittorrent-invite-trading-forum/t-reputedgood-traders-list-41544.html). incidentally in the first post of that thread
i had put a warning that any person flaming other members will be temp banned for atleast 2 weeks. the exact words that i put in ur infraction message were "i wud have banned u for 2 weeks for ur comments, but that would be too harsh".

reason for the other guys banning is provided in the mods thread.

OK after looking for this thread I am going to paste what I wrote and what you say I flammed other mambers, or could it be that you abused your authority? If that is the case well I made my case already. An apology and my points back would be nice. thank you
I just hope the hitman won't be outside my door, and maybe the last thing I say here, but this site is more like George Bush and family with the patriot act, thank god there is not a Guantanamo Bay here, when moderators get their power into their heads, lol

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Whatever happened to the ZP of the beginning, where people would help people in need, with real file sharing or computer problems. Everything in here now, is about invites, and a few months ago it was nice, that people would say what trackers were open, but now, it is like you have to belong to the Opus Dei or to a fraternity to get anything in here.
Change is good, but when change is made by one or two people, the concept of filesharing goes to hell.
I have learned everything about file sharing and how to fix computers in part in ZP, but Zeropaid, is not more what it used to be, this site is becoming a cheap whore, soon there won't be a reason for this wonderful site to exist, and that is ashame.

Do you have the need to respond to everything that people say?
When people don't have any defense they have to defend their actions to the dead, so continue with your aptitude, zeropaid, will never be the same, never again.
I don't read soulxtc, defending anythjing here, you are the only one. Just leave ZP alone, stop creating new rules that take this place nowhere, the more rules you decide on your own to implement, the worst this site will be, so this ZP, from been the best or the same to other sites, today is becoming the worst, let the power go dear Sir. An inteligent man would know when to stop, the ignorant one, would continue forever even knowing he was wrong, wich one are you?

Well good for you, I am not saying anything else, yesterday for saying in another thread that reputations points are given or taking away from moderators that may not like what you say, I guess if I say anything you don't like here, next time I will have a hitman at the door, so no comment here, just to say, ZP is not the great place it was.

[sonusahu]

all that stuff is from another thread, am talking about another thread.

so now try to figure out if i banned u or infracted u and if i had a reason for doing so or if i randomly checked zp database for a user named shallowhall and infracted/neg repped it. after u have done it, go to my protege's signature and see for urself where u are needed. they have arcade games and also a irc channel of their own!!

[shallowhall]

all that stuff is from another thread, am talking about another thread.

so now try to figure out if i banned u or infracted u and if i had a reason for doing so or if i randomly checked zp database for a user named shallowhall and infracted/neg repped it. after u have done it, go to my protege's signature and see for urself where u are needed. they have arcade games and also a irc channel of their own!!

I am asking you again, show me what I did, where I did it? You know why you can't show it? because you were wrong, you banned the wrong person and you don't have what it takes to admit it, that's all. When you acuse somebody of something, please get your facts right, the thread you pointed to, I don't see my name in there, or maybe now you will come and say that I had another nick in there, well yeah classic.
An apology would make you a bigger man, but I can see you won't, but that is ok, I don't need it anyway, as I said before Zeropaid is not what used to be, it look more like a kindergarden class, I just hope you don't feel insulted.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

I only just spotted this thread just now, so I hope you'll forgive me for dragging it back on topic.

What the thread pertains to is the fact that sonusahu is both a moderator and a troll. He attacks other members, and uses his sig to flame krell.


here is a example of what should not be done.u'll land urself a temp ban if found pertaining to such type of activities
jaysik1
jaysik2 jaysik3

Above is his sig, which links to three posts flaming krell. He has used the excuse that he has them in his sig for "educative" value, and I'm not sure if thats supposed to be a joke, or whether he really expects us to believe it. Either way it's BS.

Either be a troll or be a moderator. You can't be both.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

It should be known that Pamela69 is the latest name for Ah Leah AkA SexySpammer AkA her other dumbass names.



You've been around zeropaid for a long time. Even I had forgotten about those people. You are talking about, what? 2002? Early 2003 at the latest.

[Jorge 2.0]

I only just spotted this thread just now, so I hope you'll forgive me for dragging it back on topic.

What the thread pertains to is the fact that sonusahu is both a moderator and a troll. He attacks other members, and uses his sig to flame krell.



Above is his sig, which links to three posts flaming krell. He has used the excuse that he has them in his sig for "educative" value, and I'm not sure if thats supposed to be a joke, or whether he really expects us to believe it. Either way it's BS.

Either be a troll or be a moderator. You can't be both.



Im sure soul will take care of it.

[Jared Moya]

Im on it......

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Allthough.....your little vendetta, is going to have consequences....

Lets see u ''grin and bear'' that......

Indeed it is...

Now threaten another veteran.

[shallowhall]

Seems like people round here get their dangley bits in a knot very easily
over what goes over in the Trading Thread.......

I really don't know why .......but hold on......any controversy is fodder for
the chalking up off Post counts....Isn't it.....

U know ....I agree with u guy's .....lets bitch about anything and everything
cause that will do wonders for our post count won't it....

I will even throw u a bone .....Yep Pamela is a fruitcake.....I agree with u
looks like I've come to the right place then haven't I....

One things for sure the Trading thread is practically running on it's own
steam with minimum interference from anybody,
and that is a far cry from the days when it was so much out of control that
it had to be closed on two separate occasions in the last six months.....

And as far as banning is concerned,one of our members was Temp Banned
for 2 weeks....he has now come back to us and he's a number one Trader

One of our best....

You know what he learnt in his absence .....that to be a member of

Zeropaid is a privilege ...not a right,to be taken for granted...

Something that u guy's have long forgotten.....

Regards ...the nut job.




I think if a person wants to belong to Zeropaid is a right, without the members a site is dead, and I don't have nothing against you, but even if it was a priviledge, that is not reason for anyone with some power to abuse the one's that have not power.
I would like somebody such as Jorge or anyone else that can to investigate the individual that decided to abuse my rights, but after all I guess I am just a little guy in this site and I don't think I matter to them, well I wish long life to Zeropaid, but if things keep going the way they are, one of the best sites on the internet will die just because power goes to people's heads. I am getting ready for a ban, here when you complaint it is like talking against Bush, he calls it "Traitors" when people don't agree with him, here comes a you are trolling. Anyway it was nice all this years enjoying this place, shame that it has become a whore house that nobody seems to care about, but their own interest.

[sonusahu]

I only just spotted this thread just now, so I hope you'll forgive me for dragging it back on topic.

What the thread pertains to is the fact that sonusahu is both a moderator and a troll. He attacks other members, and uses his sig to flame krell.



Above is his sig, which links to three posts flaming krell. He has used the excuse that he has them in his sig for "educative" value, and I'm not sure if thats supposed to be a joke, or whether he really expects us to believe it. Either way it's BS.

Either be a troll or be a moderator. You can't be both.

here is an example of how evil works. when people try to do good and educate new users about the consequences of trolling they are called troll themselves by none other then the "voice of evil". but i wud take solace in the fact that no great personality has been spared from the wrath of the evil when they sat out to do good.

[Excrement_Cranium]

No... you aren't a troll.

Well... haven't always been a troll anyway. Just came to the surface in the past 6 months or so...

[sonusahu]

it depends upon how a person see's it. a glass of water maybe half filled or half empty. i "may not" see u as a troll who speaks unparliamentary language, but that maybe is solely my point of view and vice versa.

[testicles]

here is an example of how evil works. when people try to do good and educate new users about the consequences of trolling they are called troll themselves by none other then the "voice of evil". but i wud take solace in the fact that no great personality has been spared from the wrath of the evil when they sat out to do good.

This is a bald face lie.

When I first started bitching about your sig it read:


modified quote of Krell

A statement of what constituted exemplary posting -
followed by 3 quotes from jaysik trashing Krell

Do you think people so dense as to not notice?

Don't tell us you're warning about the dangers of trolling. You were trolling.

[Jared Moya]

This is a bald face lie.

When I first started bitching about your sig it read:

Do you think people so dense as to not notice?

Don't tell us you're warning about the dangers of trolling. You were trolling.


Ah the drama.

[testicles]

Ah the drama.

Drama my butt.

Truth is a better description of it.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Do you think people so dense as to not notice?

I resemble that remark.

[shallowhall]

it depends upon how a person see's it. a glass of water maybe half filled or half empty. i "may not" see u as a troll who speaks unparliamentary language, but that maybe is solely my point of view and vice versa.

You may not be a troll, but you are an irresponsable bully that takes advantage of the little power that you have to abuse people, shame on you. I asked you before show me what I did to deserve to be banned, and if you can't do it, apologize already, be a man.

[sonusahu]

This is a bald face lie.

When I first started bitching about your sig it read:


great testicles i wudn't be replying to this post if u weren't a alias of the cheapprick ,


He has used the excuse that he has them in his sig for "educative" value, and I'm not sure if thats supposed to be a joke,

here grab grab was referring to the educative signature that i had then which i had clearly kept as a warning for the new users.

a half filled glass of water is neither half empty nor half full.


Do you think people so dense as to not notice?
no only people from east who come with an invite in their hands are denser.


You may not be a troll, but you are an irresponsable bully that takes advantage of the little power that you have to abuse people, shame on you. I asked you before show me what I did to deserve to be banned, and if you can't do it, apologize already, be a man.

for the last time, u were not banned. i neg repped u/infracted u bcuz u posted something on a thread where i put a warning. i removed ur post so there is nothing to show. btw y don't u try scamming in this thread (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/bittorrent-invite-trading-forum/t-bittorrent-site-invite-trading-post-22337.html)

[tackdaddy]

1) Can't we all just get along

2) I think the invite trading thing has been nothing but trouble and has cause more trouble than it's worth.

[testicles]

2) I think the invite trading thing has been nothing but trouble and has cause more trouble than it's worth.

heh

You should tell that to the guy who started it.

[sonusahu]

heh

You should tell that to the guy who started it.

cheap prick bro, tack_daddy, this thread is about getting me 2 new mods to help in the bt thread. so would u mind not veering off anywhere else ?.

anyone who wants to moderate that thread will have to earn my complete trust which is a very complex process. the complex process is required because.

1) moderators of private trackers frequent bt invite thread because of it's popularity,
2) invite sellers will pick up the oppertunity like hot cake.
3) i hear american government has fbi looking for p2p users, especially bt users & usenet users.

call me paranoid but i refuse to trust anything on the internet.

[Tic3]

3) i hear american government has fbi looking for p2p users, especially bt users & usenet users.

call me paranoid....

Ok...If you insist.

Dude - You're paranoid.

The FBI has only a peripheral interest in P2P. It might be on their "to do" list, but it's just not on their high priority list, ya know what I mean?

RIAA? Yes. MPAA? Yes. BSA? Yes. FBI? Hardly.

Tic3

[sonusahu]

Ok...If you insist.

Dude - You're paranoid.

The FBI has only a peripheral interest in P2P. It might be on their "to do" list, but it's just not on their high priority list, ya know what I mean?

RIAA? Yes. MPAA? Yes. BSA? Yes. FBI? Hardly.

Tic3

thanx, i didn't know that. so the bottom line is i'm paranoid + ppl are looking for p2p users so i don't trust other users which ever comes first in ur priority list.

[testicles]

cheap prick bro, tack_daddy, this thread is about getting me 2 new mods to help in the bt thread. so would u mind not veering off anywhere else ?.

anyone who wants to moderate that thread will have to earn my complete trust which is a very complex process. the complex process is required because.


At some point I'm forced to wonder if it's best not to comment because my own posts will be taken as argumentative. I'll run the risk.

This thread is about a moderator behaving like a troll. So would you mind not veering off anywhere else?

[sonusahu]

At some point I'm forced to wonder if it's best not to comment because my own posts will be taken as argumentative. I'll run the risk.

This thread is about a moderator behaving like a troll. So would you mind not veering off anywhere else?

okay, but alongside that how about this too


Neither of letstrade and lookingfortrades seem to have that problem if you're thinking that there's nobody else to head your bt stuff.

i suggest the name of stephen_sterrit to be added there

[testicles]

As possible replacements for yourself?

That's what the other two were offered as.

[optimus_prime]

i suggest the name of stephen_sterrit to be added there


stephen_sterrit is a helluva guy :icon_thum :icon_thum :icon_thum

[sonusahu]

As possible replacements for yourself?

That's what the other two were offered as.
in due course of time ...yes!,


stephen_sterrit is a helluva guy :icon_thum :icon_thum :icon_thum

as i said they'll have to earn it first.

[Excrement_Cranium]

I love it!

I am lumped in w/ grab, Krell, and Psilaxis!

As if you couldn't get three more completely different people to give your subtle nudge to.


Though, I'm sure all would agree that you are definitely far too self indulgent.


Insisting that any new mods in the invite thread would have to earn YOUR trust... pffft. Who the fuck are you, and who gives a shit about your trust?

"In due time?" "They'll have to earn it first?"


You have definitely flipped your fucking lid. Sorry to say... it ain't your show, bud. And you are as disposable as yesterday's tampax. Don't let all that "BT thread" power go to your head.


YOU are the one that has to earn trust, it ain't the other way around. YOU are the one that has to earn the respect of the community, and at that, you fail miserably.

And don't think you are getting some kind of special whipping-boy status, either. Soul earned his f'in stripes.


Yes, Jorge. Something has to be done. You need to cut the cancer out of ZP. If it is insisted that this invite trading continues, put it at another address.

[sonusahu]

fuck,fucking,whore etc
i am overwhelmed with joy to see ur posts returning to their normality.i almost started doubting my thoughts regarding u.


I am lumped in w/ grab, Krell, and Psilaxis!
excuse me!!!, grab is not comparable. you and me both, in summation, can only hope of becoming half of what he is.


Insisting that any new mods in the invite thread would have to earn YOUR trust... pffft. Who the fuck are you, and who gives a shit about your trust?
somebody who knows more about the thread than anybody else.


You have definitely flipped your fucking lid. Sorry to say... it ain't your show, bud. And you are as disposable as yesterday's tampax. Don't let all that "BT thread" power go to your head.
okay, i'll not let the power of "being a moderator " get to me. btw u say i have some power on that thread, and u also ask who am i to have a say on something regarding getting a new moderator for that thread. doesn't fit in.


YOU are the one that has to earn trust, it ain't the other way around. YOU are the one that has to earn the respect of the community, and at that, you fail miserably.

didn't want it to happen that way but have to bear it cuz of a bully. welcome to zeropaid though.

And don't think you are getting some kind of special whipping-boy status, either. Soul earned his f'in stripes.

yes, he always arouses my jealousy.


thanx for the attention
no problem, i am always there for u.:icon_thum :icon_thum :icon_thum

[testicles]

http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/troller.htm (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/loopy.htm)

Loopy's messages are incomprehensible to all but himself. Loopy is easily aroused and exuberant in battle and fearlessly flings himself at any Warrior - even Kung-Fu Master. Loopy's main weapons consist of a disarming array of nonsequiturs, tautologies, and bizarre metaphors, which can often gain him an advantage in the initial stages of an attack. Combatants very quickly realize, however, that Loopy is a certifiable nut case and generally avoid further engagement. Jerk and Evil Clown revel in egging Loopy on for their own amusement. CAUTION: Loopy cannot be defeated with conventional weapons - any response to his attacks will provoke a fusillade of incoherent messages, so Loopy is best left undisturbed.

[shallowhall]

great testicles i wudn't be replying to this post if u weren't a alias of the cheapprick ,



here grab grab was referring to the educative signature that i had then which i had clearly kept as a warning for the new users.



no only people from east who come with an invite in their hands are denser.



for the last time, u were not banned. i neg repped u/infracted u bcuz u posted something on a thread where i put a warning. i removed ur post so there is nothing to show. btw y don't u try scamming in this thread (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/bittorrent-invite-trading-forum/t-bittorrent-site-invite-trading-post-22337.html)

As I said before you are a morom and a prick, so you destroy the evidence, the reason to take my points away and to ban me for a few days?
Why are you still here, as I see it nobody likes you, and you should desapair from here, you are just a bully and a nobody.
Do the world a favor and shot yourself in the head, because you don't use it anyway.

[Jared Moya]

I love it!

I am lumped in w/ grab, Krell, and Psilaxis!

As if you couldn't get three more completely different people to give your subtle nudge to.


Though, I'm sure all would agree that you are definitely far too self indulgent.


Insisting that any new mods in the invite thread would have to earn YOUR trust... pffft. Who the fuck are you, and who gives a shit about your trust?

"In due time?" "They'll have to earn it first?"


You have definitely flipped your fucking lid. Sorry to say... it ain't your show, bud. And you are as disposable as yesterday's tampax. Don't let all that "BT thread" power go to your head.


YOU are the one that has to earn trust, it ain't the other way around. YOU are the one that has to earn the respect of the community, and at that, you fail miserably.

And don't think you are getting some kind of special whipping-boy status, either. Soul earned his f'in stripes.


Yes, Jorge. Something has to be done. You need to cut the cancer out of ZP. If it is insisted that this invite trading continues, put it at another address.

Boy did I earn my stripes.........sheesh, I still have Notbob / Grab Grab tag team posting nightmares :)

Im starting to feel there is an odd feeling in the air here lately though, and that something needs to change. Cant quite put my finger on it but, I think we all know what it probably is. I'll sleep on it tonight and try to formulate what I think should be done about it.

I mean is it just me or does ZP seem sort of "hollow?" Pm or e-mail me your thoughts if u have a lot to say ([email protected]) ....will read them in the a.m......:icon_salu

[Excrement_Cranium]

i am overwhelmed with joy to see ur posts returning to their normality.i almost started doubting my thoughts regarding u.


excuse me!!!, grab is not comparable. you and me both, in summation, can only hope of becoming half of what he is.


somebody who knows more about the thread than anybody else.


okay, i'll not let the power of "being a moderator on a internet forum" get to me. btw u say i have some power on that thread, and u also ask who am i to have a say on something regarding getting a new moderator for that thread. doesn't fit in.


didn't want it to happen that way but have to bear it cuz of a bully. welcome to zeropaid though.


yes, he always arouses my jealousy.


no problem, i am always there for u.:icon_thum :icon_thum :icon_thum

What? You expect me to beg forgiveness for using colorful language? I use the language of the common man, and pepper it with euphemisms meant to further portray rage and frustration.

Don't take my use of simple language as some signal that I cannot masterfully turn a phrase in the english language, instead recognize that you are not worth the fucking time.


Now, if you want you can continue to act like an arrogant fuckwit, and deconstruct my posts for grammatical errors and logical fallacies, or you can make some attempt to exhibit your powers of reading comprehension and decypher that what I am saying is that you are a presumptuous pompous prick.



I have already stated what I would like to see: If the BT invite trading MUST continue, give it it's own separate venue and try to redeem the soul of ZP.

[sonusahu]

What? You expect me to beg forgiveness for using colorful language? I use the language of the common man, and pepper it with euphemisms meant to further portray rage and frustration.

Don't take my use of simple language as some signal that I cannot masterfully turn a phrase in the english language, instead recognize that you are not worth the fucking time.


same goes for the 1337 speak which u have been denouncing lately, doesn't it?, how easily u can refrain from a principle and then join it again on the next step.


I have already stated what I would like to see: If the BT invite trading MUST
continue, give it it's own separate venue and try to redeem the soul of ZP.

i suppose ur not thinking that ur the 1st person to comprehend that. i must have beaten u in that by 6 months or so and was equally discomforted when it was turned down.


http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/troller.htm (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/loopy.htm)

Loopy's messages are incomprehensible to all but himself. Loopy is easily aroused and exuberant in battle and fearlessly flings himself at any Warrior - even Kung-Fu Master. Loopy's main weapons consist of a disarming array of nonsequiturs, tautologies, and bizarre metaphors, which can often gain him an advantage in the initial stages of an attack. Combatants very quickly realize, however, that Loopy is a certifiable nut case and generally avoid further engagement. Jerk and Evil Clown revel in egging Loopy on for their own amusement. CAUTION: Loopy cannot be defeated with conventional weapons - any response to his attacks will provoke a fusillade of incoherent messages, so Loopy is best left undisturbed.

tell me who this loopy guy is, i'll give him my ZP username/pw.

[optimus_prime]

I have already stated what I would like to see: If the BT invite trading MUST continue, give it it's own separate venue and try to redeem the soul of ZP.

ok, i've heard this many times before, so i just have to ask. what it is the reason that people here are frustrated with bt invite thread? is it spam by new arrivals? i've seen some, but not that much more than in other forums, so, is there any other reason? :icon_scra

as i see it atm, most of the traffic on the site is generated by bt invites thread and it's unreasonable to expect any webmaster would cut it off. why all the other forums are so ghastly empty, is another question. i can understand new arrivals don't have interest to participate in all forums, but what about old users? what exactly made them that angry and hostile toward bt thread posters, it is after all one steady inflow of new users you can count on, and i sure didn't get impression you even want older acquaintances like pamela or sonu to feel welcome :icon_pira so, in short, what was that major moment/thing with invite thread (or something else?) that ruined soul of zp?

[Charles Altmont]

Im starting to feel there is an odd feeling in the air here lately though, and that something needs to change. Cant quite put my finger on it but, I think we all know what it probably is. I'll sleep on it tonight and try to formulate what I think should be done about it.

I mean is it just me or does ZP seem sort of "hollow?" Pm or e-mail me your thoughts if u have a lot to say ([email protected]) ....will read them in the a.m......:icon_salu

Hollow? It is indeed viod of anything resembling community, camaraderie or even integrity.

We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves longer. I would elaborate, in great detail, but I have a giant poop working out right now so I must digress.

'Till the triumphant return of "the good old days"

Good day

[sonusahu]

ok, i've heard this many times before, so i just have to ask. what it is the reason that people here are frustrated with bt invite thread? is it spam by new arrivals? i've seen some, but not that much more than in other forums, so, is there any other reason? :icon_scra

as i see it atm, most of the traffic on the site is generated by bt invites thread and it's unreasonable to expect any webmaster would cut it off. why all the other forums are so ghastly empty, is another question. i can understand new arrivals don't have interest to participate in all forums, but what about old users? what exactly made them that angry and hostile toward bt thread posters, it is after all one steady inflow of new users you can count on, and i sure didn't get impression you even want older acquaintances like pamela or sonu to feel welcome :icon_pira so, in short, what was that major moment/thing with invite thread (or something else?) that ruined soul of zp?

i ponder over the question myself sometimes, but i don't think it's the bt thread alone. most of ppl concerns regarding bad users to p2p, ZP, spams, etc in the invite thread has already been addressed by enforcing rules and stuff. sometimes i think people who keep complaining about the invite thread don't know what they are complaining about.

[Excrement_Cranium]

It's simple. It's not "newbies" or "spam" that people disagree with. It's the trading of invites to people who are only here to trade invites.

The members of Zero Paid have been "trading" invites the whole time, but it was done in the manner intended. Between trusted friends. Not with someone who had something to offer in return, not with someone who fulfilled some minimum post requirement. Noone was labeled a "scammer" because they didn't come through with the reach around, and it damn sure wouldn't have lead to a banning.

[MoonMan]

Exactly. People who are only here for invites, and spam their way around the forum to meet the requirements. Most seem so ignorant about the process of the REST of the forum that it is baffling. Is it really that difficult to understand why people like me enjoy rep bombing these pathetic excuses for forum members, as well as calling out their spamming? That's the only thing this rep system is good for.

If the bt trading stuff were kicked to the curb then you wouldn't see 90% of the kind of spam we are seeing now.

[Jared Moya]

ok, i've heard this many times before, so i just have to ask. what it is the reason that people here are frustrated with bt invite thread? is it spam by new arrivals? i've seen some, but not that much more than in other forums, so, is there any other reason? :icon_scra

as i see it atm, most of the traffic on the site is generated by bt invites thread and it's unreasonable to expect any webmaster would cut it off. why all the other forums are so ghastly empty, is another question. i can understand new arrivals don't have interest to participate in all forums, but what about old users? what exactly made them that angry and hostile toward bt thread posters, it is after all one steady inflow of new users you can count on, and i sure didn't get impression you even want older acquaintances like pamela or sonu to feel welcome :icon_pira so, in short, what was that major moment/thing with invite thread (or something else?) that ruined soul of zp?

Thats the $64,000 question.

[optimus_prime]

It's simple. It's not "newbies" or "spam" that people disagree with. It's the trading of invites to people who are only here to trade invites.

The members of Zero Paid have been "trading" invites the whole time, but it was done in the manner intended. Between trusted friends. Not with someone who had something to offer in return, not with someone who fulfilled some minimum post requirement. Noone was labeled a "scammer" because they didn't come through with the reach around, and it damn sure wouldn't have lead to a banning.

ok, so u miss invite trading between friends you deem trusted here on this forum? it's very easy to open vip trading post and let just members of certain levels in, and maybe add an option to ignore certain forums, in which case you could easily ignore current invite thread. do you think it would restore part of that zp soul you were talking about?


Exactly. People who are only here for invites, and spam their way around the forum to meet the requirements. Most seem so ignorant about the process of the REST of the forum that it is baffling. Is it really that difficult to understand why people like me enjoy rep bombing these pathetic excuses for forum members, as well as calling out their spamming? That's the only thing this rep system is good for.

If the bt trading stuff were kicked to the curb then you wouldn't see 90% of the kind of spam we are seeing now.

you're probably right about spamming, it is common menace of all forums with some sort of requirements, i don't see that it's so widespread tho. sites usually deal with it with stricter moderation and why not, rep bombing that you've mentioned, it's, as i've already stated, unrealistic to ask to dump thread that brings most traffic to the site.

[Jared Moya]

ok, so u miss invite trading between friends you deem trusted here on this forum? it's very easy to open vip trading post and let just members of certain levels in, and maybe add an option to ignore certain forums, in which case you could easily ignore current invite thread. do you think it would restore part of that zp soul you were talking about?

you're probably right about spamming, it is common menace of all forums with some sort of requirements, i don't see that it's so widespread tho. sites usually deal with it with stricter moderation and why not, rep bombing that you've mentioned, it's, as i've already stated, unrealistic to ask to dump thread that brings most traffic to the site.

I think the spamming has been taken care of for the most part, inlcuding post bombing.....as for the elusive "soul," I think its because the old timers feel sort of crowded out by all the BT invite guys....maybe its just part of a logical progression in that the introduction of so much new blood can oftentimes make the "old" blood feel that they are less of a part pf ZP as they used to be.

Thats what needs to be addressed I think, and Im not sure I have a real way of taking care of it other than by eliminating the invite thread which for the time being is a non-starter.

THX BTW optimus for your comments. If only other cats in the invite thread were able to be as calm, rational, and succinct in their posts.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Only having been a posting member here for 2 years, when there are people who have been posting members here for 5+ years, I really resent the newb influx theory.

If I have garnered any respect, admiration, or any other positive view from the community members here, I earned it as anyone else has to. I never expected instant gratification.

The problem is all these people who come marching in here like they are entitled to various rights and privileges which every member before them EARNED.

They make 5 word posts in threads where actual discussion is happening.


The rule of the jungle? If you can't put forth something thought filled, informative, and thought provoking, you better damn well be funny.

[tackdaddy]

Sonusahu, I was here long before you and this place used to be great. There are still some good things here, Soulxtc does a nice job and so do some of the other mods. The main problem here is the trading post, it's a joke. A member here was once nice enough to give me a oink invite because i have been a active member since 2002, actually longer but i dont recall the date. this place is now full of noobs looking for a invite and not providing anything useful to this forum. Excrement Cranium and Moonman make total sense but your are blind to the facts. Take a long hard look at the invite trading post and look at the post counts of these people they are simply here for invites and that it. Zeropaid once had many great members who were always helpful if you had a problem but alot of these members have left not all due to the trading post but from the noobs that it brings in. I have nothing against new members but the invite whores need to go. They are only here simply for invites and provide nothing else so i say drop the trading post forever.

[Jared Moya]

Sonusahu, I was here long before you and this place used to be great. There are still some good things here, Soulxtc does a nice job and so do some of the other mods. The main problem here is the trading post, it's a joke. A member here was once nice enough to give me a oink invite because i have been a active member since 2002, actually longer but i dont recall the date. this place is now full of noobs looking for a invite and not providing anything useful to this forum. Excrement Cranium and Moonman make total sense but your are blind to the facts. Take a long hard look at the invite trading post and look at the post counts of these people they are simply here for invites and that it. Zeropaid once had many great members who were always helpful if you had a problem but alot of these members have left not all due to the trading post but from the noobs that it brings in. I have nothing against new members but the invite whores need to go. They are only here simply for invites and provide nothing else so i say drop the trading post forever.

Once again you have an avatar that has managed to be totally hypnotizing and distracting....watched it for like a minute and then read what u had to say... :) I hear you though. ZP is sort of hollow now if for no other reason than people are less likely to contribute while "that thing's " around. Thats the real crutch of the argument. Have to take this up with "management" I think.

[The Hunter]

I know it should be taken up with management.

[tackdaddy]

Excrement, I totally agree with you and even tho you have not been around for many years I always enjoy your posts. You got a twisted sense of humor and you are funny as hell. You have my respect as a contributing member and i am a 5+ year member, one of the few still here. The noob influx is a big problem that has chased many of the good members away and i'm glad you like the avatar soul.

[Unsueable Davey Brown]

For me it's more a feeling of the site losing it's credibility, than a feeling of being pushed out.

I used to always just click on ZP to see what's interesting, and now, but lately I find the ZP gestalt in my brain wants to think of it more as that BT trading site, which interests me less, so I look around more.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Soul, in addition to what was said above, you might want to reconsider what toasted noodle had to say in his/her thread. Seems to be a pretty common issue. I'm with the veterans here. I'll prolly get a bigger thrill out of eating a hollow bunny this easter.

[Jared Moya]

Soul, in addition to what was said above, you might want to reconsider what toasted noodle had to say in his/her thread. Seems to be a pretty common issue. I'm with the veterans here. I'll prolly get a bigger thrill out of eating a hollow bunny this easter.

Yah I am. I think step number 1 should be to get rid of that dam News feed, it just makes threads lose their luster and originality as a whole. I mean, does anybody her really get their news from a subcategory in the ZP forums? Not likely. The HP should be where they get their news if thats what they are looking for.


I think toasted_noodle simply enjoyed ZP better as a small community website. With more members joining, a community slowly becomes less personal and more generalized. Being a new member myself I can only make assumptions, but I would guess that ZP used to bring content to the members, not the masses.

I think this guy narrows it down as well, and I think this is part of it, that many feel swallowed by a seemingly android-like mass of newcomers that makes ZP lose that uniqueness that it used to have.

Now I wont try to hide the fact that invite thread is also a sore spot that no doubt doesnt help matters any but, I think what I mentioned above may be a good start in the interim.

Keep in mind that for a good length time BEFORE THE INVITE THREAD, there was oftentimes no more than a handful of REGULAR MEMBERS logged on, now we routinely have a dozen or more. SO I think whats important is that we try to recapture that originality that is missing by simply MAKING THREADS ORIGINAL AGAIN, with ORIGINAL DISCUSSION.

[testicles]

ok, so u miss invite trading between friends you deem trusted here on this forum? it's very easy to open vip trading post and let just members of certain levels in, and maybe add an option to ignore certain forums, in which case you could easily ignore current invite thread. do you think it would restore part of that zp soul you were talking about?


I could give a shit about the trading post. Period. I know it has a lot of people fired up but I couldn't give a shit about one thread.

I do give a shit when trolls are giving the keys to the city and the few people who have the ability to dampen that behavior turn a blind eye. Or worse, make excuses for them and try to justify their continued role.

Just turn back a few pages enabler. Read how any mod that will replace the dynamic duo will only be suitable if they measure up to his esteemed vision. Read how he tried to twist the truth of this thread in two ways; the meaning of the signature and the purpose of the thread.

So you have a lot of work with the HP to do, I can understand that. It could be suggested that you could put a lot of the forum work off on the mods.... if you could convince a few of them that you gave a shit. I couldn't help but notice that Hunter even posted here a few posts up. To be honest I though he had gave up on the place. Apparently he just reads now and can't stand the stench enough to post.

Sort of a mixed message there.

You defend some poorly chosen mods to the death but fail to acknowledge any of the ones that could really do you any good. Potato's recent posts come to mind.

If I have one talent on earth it's giving other people better advice than I would follow myself. Dump your invite thread mods. Choose a few sane people from that "trusted traders" thread to lead it... and I don't refer to sonusahu's clone.... and carry on. The site needs that thread financially apparently, so keep it, but stop making the people that would leave tomorrow if it was closed the priority.

[tackdaddy]

The thing is Zeropaid was the first forum that i joined when i first got into computers and i just hate to see it reduced to just a bt invite trading site. Changes need to be made......

1) Get rid of useless forums....such as fasttrack/kazaa,winmx, they are pretty dead and sub forums such as Exeem, Xolox, Gnucleus, Phex, General Gnutella Discussion, Blubster, Piolet, etc. but keep limewire.
2) A better wat to handle the invite trading post or get rid of it
3) Expand the movie, music and gaming forums with news such as upcoming movies, gaming news, new album releases, etc.
4) Maybe put the dead P2P clients in it's own forum
5) Have a suggestion forum on things to add and improve the site

These are just some ideas to think about, I'm sure some other people got good ideas so lets hear them or have the mods think up ideas.

[Jared Moya]

I could give a shit about the trading post. Period. I know it has a lot of people fired up but I couldn't give a shit about one thread.

I do give a shit when trolls are giving the keys to the city and the few people who have the ability to dampen that behavior turn a blind eye. Or worse, make excuses for them and try to justify their continued role.

Just turn back a few pages enabler. Read how any mod that will replace the dynamic duo will only be suitable if they measure up to his esteemed vision. Read how he tried to twist the truth of this thread in two ways; the meaning of the signature and the purpose of the thread.

So you have a lot of work with the HP to do, I can understand that. It could be suggested that you could put a lot of the forum work off on the mods.... if you could convince a few of them that you gave a shit. I couldn't help but notice that Hunter even posted here a few posts up. To be honest I though he had gave up on the place. Apparently he just reads now and can't stand the stench enough to post.

Sort of a mixed message there.

You defend some poorly chosen mods to the death but fail to acknowledge any of the ones that could really do you any good. Potato's recent posts come to mind.

If I have one talent on earth it's giving other people better advice than I would follow myself. Dump your invite thread mods. Choose a few sane people from that "trusted traders" thread to lead it... and I don't refer to sonusahu's clone.... and carry on. The site needs that thread financially apparently, so keep it, but stop making the people that would leave tomorrow if it was closed the priority.

Yah, maybe Im guilty of giving people too much leeway. That needs to be remedied. I think Ive gotten a fairly good handle on Pam69, Sonusahu as well, hes come along way.

But, your right, maybe new blood is in order to allow things to heal and I hope u think I give a shit CP, err I mean Testicles :).

As for putting work off on the mods Im not sure what that work would be, could u be more specific? Would it be in the form of perhaps restructuring it or revamping it, like as Tack pointed out clearing up the debris and adding new categories and sections?

Actually, I like that idea......
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/site-announcements/t-what-do-you-think-zp-should-look-like-42264.html#post483196

[tackdaddy]

I'm not talking about redoing everything just making i better and cleaning it up to give people better choices. Close old threads so people don't respond to year old threads.

[Excrement_Cranium]

I've read a great deal of news here, but auto generated articles are crap.

User posted news has always been great, because the users know what the member base finds interesting.

[Charles Altmont]

The only thing even remotely interresting here anymore is the us Vs them topics these days. There was once many people who would start interresting topics. Now there are a bunch who only spam up lots of old topics with as(s)inine replies. They don't even try to form anything resembling a rational thought. They might as well just post "I eat Boogers" over and over. At least then I might get a chuckle. Bottom line, hollow people make the site seem hollow. How these people make ZP attractive is beyond me. Does having dozens of people PM'ing each other sell ZP to advertisers? They must be tarded if it does. Trading invites is just wrong and bad for filesharing, not to mention bad for the sites in general. Its a great way to ruin a good thing. Getting shite speeds? Hmm I wonder why! Ohhh, hold on I feel another poop working out!


Laters

[sonusahu]

"great testicles", optimus_prime is not my clone. i don't use clones to say what i want to say.i urge members using bt invite thread to take part in meaningful discussions at other places on ZP, help ppl with p2p related problems, if that is what u mean. if somebody took the time to guide users from the bt invite thread earlier, we cud have saved so much heart ache and garnered so many users. i adher to one of jorge's saying that atleast 20% of them can become community ppl. having said that i wud be the first one to make a vote for closing it, wud save me lottsa worthless head ache.

some solutions

1) either close the invite thread

2) or stop calling members invite thread whores etc etc. it won't stop ppl who come here only to trade invites but will deter members who want to become a part of the community and post something meaningful to the website. seems to me like that's the main strategy behind it.

[Jared Moya]

I've read a great deal of news here, but auto generated articles are crap.

User posted news has always been great, because the users know what the member base finds interesting.

Yah, that RSS feed is total shit, it turns me off too, and also taints the other threads in a way.

[Excrement_Cranium]

to trade invites but will deter members who want to become a part of the community and post something meaningful to the website. seems to me like that's the main strategy behind it.

It's called a "weeding out" process. You can either stand on your own without going outside the acceptable precedents, or you cannot.

You either actually want to be a member of the community, or you do not.

I would say it is no different here than anywhere else. In the working world, these people would most likely resemble most closely what are called "scabs."


You want to be here, or not. You can handle being here, or not. Move past these black and whites, and the world of gray areas will be open to you.

[Jared Moya]

It's called a "weeding out" process. You can either stand on your own without going outside the acceptable precedents, or you cannot.

You either actually want to be a member of the community, or you do not.

I would say it is no different here than anywhere else. In the working world, these people would most likely resemble most closely what are called "scabs."


You want to be here, or not. You can handle being here, or not. Move past these black and whites, and the world of gray areas will be open to you.

....................................
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[Excrement_Cranium]

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http://www.seanparkes.com/WnWCENTERDOT.gif


lol!


(30 characters, FTW)

[sonusahu]

It's called a "weeding out" process. You can either stand on your own without going outside the acceptable precedents, or you cannot.

You either actually want to be a member of the community, or you do not.

I would say it is no different here than anywhere else. In the working world, these people would most likely resemble most closely what are called "scabs."


You want to be here, or not. You can handle being here, or not. Move past these black and whites, and the world of gray areas will be open to you.
in short it is the exact replication of bullyism exhibited in Hollywood teen movies rite ?

[Ultramorpg2.0]

Since I'm a member here that thread only brings trouble... Well, it doesn't bring any trouble, users create troubles out of it.

Maybe you should just delete it, forget about it and move on. Just don't complain when you don't have all those "whores" bringing traffic.

Good luck.-

[MoonMan]

Was his post edited because it contained copyrighted information or what? If so, you should be clearer.

And as far as this:


Just don't complain when you don't have all those "whores" bringing traffic.

This site has grown exponentially well before the bittorrent whoring ever started. In fact, I have seen little change since it has started.. besides the obvious spamming.

[sonusahu]

as it is quite clear that u cannot stop insulting members from bt thread. i removed the bt invite thread physically from zeropaid. i hope this discrimination stops now. if people cannot co-exist then it is time somebody showed them the door, if not anyone else then me. everybody knows who are ZP"s priorities and members. .

[testicles]

bah

Faulty comment apparently.

[cheapprick]

please delete

[Excrement_Cranium]

as it is quite clear that u cannot stop insulting members from bt thread. i removed the bt invite thread physically from zeropaid. i hope this discrimination stops now. if people cannot co-exist then it is time somebody showed them the door, if not anyone else then me. everybody knows who are ZP"s priorities and members. .



Oh.... YOU did it? What are you, Jorge and Dub's 3rd wish-you-were-silent partner?

I strongly suggest you go hunt down an old member named Hornet. You and he could have a wonderful time sitting around being morally superior and self-important.

Though... you know what? I am super-excited for the "Offer Your Invites, Nothing in Return" thread. That is some ZERO PAID gold. If the invite thread were that all along, I'm not sure anyone would have beeyotched, because that method is all about choice.

[Jared Moya]

as it is quite clear that u cannot stop insulting members from bt thread. i removed the bt invite thread physically from zeropaid. i hope this discrimination stops now. if people cannot co-exist then it is time somebody showed them the door, if not anyone else then me. everybody knows who are ZP"s priorities and members. .

I dont know if he did it on purpose or not but, yes he deleted it and has since been deMODed........Jorge was none too happy.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

We haven't had that in a while.

Maybe this place is turning around for the better.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Though... you know what? I am super-excited for the "Offer Your Invites, Nothing in Return" thread. That is some ZERO PAID gold. If the invite thread were that all along, I'm not sure anyone would have beeyotched, because that method is all about choice.

I'll quote myself.


I see absolutely nothing wrong with people offering up invites with no expected return. Though, through giving, relationships may be built, and some "gifts" may be reciprocated.

A little retouch on the "invite trading post" that would allow people to show their invites... and completely remove the trading portion, would be spectacular.

No more "reputed traders," "scammers," or "middlemen." All that was bullshit.


You want something from somebody? Do it the old fashioned way and earn their favor.

[Pamela69]

Trading was always intermingled with peeps giving free invites.....
speaking for myself

I have given more than I traded.....Soul may attest to that.....

And yes u are right when u say....(through giving, relationships may be built)

[Jared Moya]

We haven't had that in a while.

Maybe this place is turning around for the better.

I think the necessary changes are now too obvious to ignore. Tough to find the right balance I think, specifically that before the invite thread there was an average of only 3 or 4 members logged in, sometimes a little more sometimes a little less. The invite thread, for better or worse, has boosted that number to an average of 20 or more.

Now, this has come at somewhat of a cost in that it has made many of the previous members feel oftentimes alienated by such an onslaught of new, and often non-contributing people.

I think that a consensus needs to be reached on how to accommodate the invite thread cats while at the same time REVAMPING and REORGANIZING the forums so that people feel comfortable, welcome, and interested with what they see.

Grab Grabs comments, or advice, I think, are the right direction that needs to be taken, which oddly enough again reminds me of just how much this place has become my home just as much as any and that I too feel somethings wrong with the current state of things.

Also, to note, I'd like to apologize to Grab Grab for the occasions that I did "ride his posts" and for not really taking a true look at who he is and what he was trying to say. Think I harbored resentment at comments made early on and therefore carried them with me into each conversation that followed.

Anyways, change is afoot, and I think ZP will be the better for it.

Jared Moya
Chief Editor

[Charles Altmont]

Giving away invites to people you don't know is stupid too. You guys are going to destroy the private sites by letting all the jerks in, perhaps they are already in as they seem to have invites to give and trade.


I thought ZP had Grab Grub neutered or something. I prefered the old ( with balls) version. He seems a right girlie man these days. Boring!

[Pamela69]

Hold on please Charles

When Sites have open signup, who scrutinizes the the peeps, to toss out the jerks.....

Answer.....NO ONE

At least in the Trading Thread,...many a times I've noticed someone trading an Invite
and asking the tradee for Proof of Power user Status in other sites....before concluding the trade.....

In order to safe guard their own account.......

So I will say it again.....the jerks,cheaters whatever u want to call them
come in....in droves at open sign up time....where there's no Scrutiny.

[Charles Altmont]

Hold on please Charles

When Sites have open signup, who scrutinizes the the peeps, to toss out the jerks.....

Answer.....NO ONE

At least in the Trading Thread,...many a times I've noticed someone trading an Invite
and asking the tradee for Proof of Power user Status in other sites....before concluding the trade.....

In order to safe guard their own account.......

So I will say it again.....the jerks,cheaters whatever u want to call them
come in....in droves at open sign up time....where there's no Scrutiny.





When your right your right, point made. I didnt really know they let everyone in like that. Seems pointless to call it private then. Call it a members only club or something.


Why do they call these sites private? I don't get it. Private Defined: removed from or out of public view or knowledge. Not open or accessible to the general public.

Its time to call it something else and stop fooling.

[Pamela69]

I suppose they are Private once the reach their level of Membership and they close Registrations....

Some sites will tell u not to post their names on Forums caus they want to remain anonymous for obvious reasons....

Ha.....that the biggest Crap of all,,,,as if the RIAA/MPAA can't use Google.....

I have always found whichever so called Private site i wanted via Google,,and there are pages and pages of info
on Forums regarding these sites.....

Trust me...Being Private and anonymous is a legend in their own minds.

[Jared Moya]

Giving away invites to people you don't know is stupid too. You guys are going to destroy the private sites by letting all the jerks in, perhaps they are already in as they seem to have invites to give and trade.


I thought ZP had Grab Grub neutered or something. I prefered the old ( with balls) version. He seems a right girlie man these days. Boring!

I dont think anybody could ever neuter Grab Grab

[thepuzzler]

Impeccable timing!

[pllexx]

Impeccable timing!

humm! let me guess, you got something for me right?

[Excrement_Cranium]

humm! let me guess, you got something for me right?


NO. You have the wrong thread.

[Unsueable Davey Brown]

But thanks for dropping by to illustrate what everybody's bitching about.

[sonusahu]

I strongly suggest you go hunt down an old member named Hornet. You and he could have a wonderful time sitting around being morally superior and self-important.


superiority complex comes from three attributes:- knowledge, respect, power.

1)knowledge:- i don't deem myself knowledgable enough to feel superior.

2)respect:- i don't have ur respect, nor do i ask for it.

3)power:- if i was remotely interested in adhering to the power of being a moderator on a internet forum, i wudn't have done anything to damage it that too knowing that the bt invite thread was the sole purpose of me being a moderator.

i took the job because i was disgruntled by the way sane ppl from that thread were being discriminated for no apparent reason even though they made up for the majority of users logging in. i tried to make it acceptable to everybody by reducing spam etc, but when the sanest of all netizens refutes it then u know u might be trudging on the wrong side of the road. so until the time members using the invite thread are seen in a better light, i must and i will refrain myself from that part of ZP.

[silentscream]

this thread is gold

just spent half an hour re reading it

damn its funny

ec u are a god amoung put downs :)

oh and sonusahu have u not noticed that u have been a member here longer than me ??

we have both become mods in a short time and well we have gone in different directions

if i have respect from the users and mods here im guessing i earned it

there are users here id love to someday meet (around a pool table or such) for what i know would be great conversation

i have huge respect for alot of ppl here

just chill dude

.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Sadly, I've only taken this asshole spot because all the other former assholes threw up their arms in disgust and left.

THAT is power for you, causing blowhard stalwarts to just give up.


Sonuhasu... I'm done with you. No more is needed. If you were to go back over every little barb I've thrown your direction, you might see that your every response only further personifies them.

[Jared Moya]

this thread is gold

just spent half an hour re reading it

damn its funny

ec u are a god amoung put downs :)

oh and sonusahu have u not noticed that u have been a member here longer than me ??

we have both become mods in a short time and well we have gone in different directions

if i have respect from the users and mods here im guessing i earned it

there are users here id love to someday meet (around a pool table or such) for what i know would be great conversation

i have huge respect for alot of ppl here

just chill dude

.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

amen brother.

[sonusahu]

Sonuhasu... I'm done with you. No more is needed. If you were to go back over every little barb I've thrown your direction, you might see that your every response only further personifies them.

they(barb's) have reinforced my faith in the age old saying "hate can only be overcome with love & patience". keep throwing I'm always there for u :icon_thum :icon_thum :icon_thum

[tackdaddy]

Hopefully we can get this place back on track.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Hopefully we can get this place back on track.



If not, I can always whip my willie to your beautiful avatars.

[El Comandante]

Hopefully we can get this place back on track.

nothing has changed.....

[Mels_Smileys45]

Not much. I have tried to contact Jorge by PM with my thoughts on stopping the spammers who try and sell their shit here. Totally ignored.

I have come to the conclusion that ZP is indeed behind the DVD ripper, shoe sales, etc. etc. spam. When the forums are jumping with certain topics and many people are here, none of that spam shit hardly ever happens. The minute the anti Obama threads stop or die down a bit here come the shoe salesmen along with their DVD ripper buddies to start 20 or thirty threads in a row.

Why the calculated attacks? Why do the spammers wait until the Obama flame wars are over before they strike? Seems like a good time to attack would be when many people are online! Hmmmmm....


Am I wrong?

[Drew Wilson]

Not much. I have tried to contact Jorge by PM with my thoughts on stopping the spammers who try and sell their shit here. Totally ignored.

I have come to the conclusion that ZP is indeed behind the DVD ripper, shoe sales, etc. etc. spam. When the forums are jumping with certain topics and many people are here, none of that spam shit hardly ever happens. The minute the anti Obama threads stop or die down a bit here come the shoe salesmen along with their DVD ripper buddies to start 20 or thirty threads in a row.

Why the calculated attacks? Why do the spammers wait until the Obama flame wars are over before they strike? Seems like a good time to attack would be when many people are online! Hmmmmm....


Am I wrong?

Would you be suggesting that Don Webb is responsible for all the spam/phishing posts as well? http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/images/icons/icon12.gif

[El Comandante]

Would you be suggesting that Don Webb is responsible for all the spam/phishing posts as well? http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/images/icons/icon12.gif

It's an institutional conspiracy .... all of it.....:squint:

[YWD67]

Hopefully we can get this place back on track.

This quoted post is from another mod battle that ended in discourse as.
But they made it through and the site did not die.

I too hope to get this place back on rack.
Oops sorry I meant back on track.
Got carried away with tackdaddy's avatar.
That girl will never drown.

[wingnut2600]

I am befuddled by the current "new" posts... Does this mean that all of MFGbP and Don Webb threads have been closed and their posts are out of context in a mega post?

I think it is time to take action, somebody out there to whom I am directing this directionless plea.

[kippies]

lately this place has smacked of admin by bot or proxy- or someone who cant be arsed with it

I lurked for a long time and posted when I thought things were going awry

It looks to me that there is a decision to be made ahead- hand over the admin powers to those who will use them or bin it

Always its the power thing - "I cant be assed modding a board I created but I cant let go"- hand power to people like drew who give a toss and then fade to the sidelines as technical support- or it will die..

all of the above are fairly much technical issues with the site- its needs a little TLC- a sysop who has the time and interest to iron out the wrinkles....

time to pass on the torch?????

just my 2cents

[RACKnRAIL]

lately this place has smacked of admin by bot or proxy- or someone who cant be arsed with it

I lurked for a long time and posted when I thought things were going awry

It looks to me that there is a decision to be made ahead- hand over the admin powers to those who will use them or bin it

Always its the power thing - "I cant be assed modding a board I created but I cant let go"- hand power to people like drew who give a toss and then fade to the sidelines as technical support- or it will die..

all of the above are fairly much technical issues with the site- its needs a little TLC- a sysop who has the time and interest to iron out the wrinkles....

time to pass on the torch?????

just my 2cents

wtf are you talking about? The admins aren't going anywhere. Jorge and Chris may not post much, but they are still the admins of this site, whether you like it or not. I highly doubt either one is going to step down on your behalf. The only positions even available are supermod, which is not open to general discussion. I'm sure Drew can speak for himself. Maybe he should ask or PM the right people if he wants to be a mod.

[Drew Wilson]

Sad to say, as of right now, I have way too much stuff on my plate at the moment anyway. I post every so often to help keep making this place interesting as it's the least I can do. In the mean time, I have a tonne of stuff going on offline right now, so I do have to have several hour stints while awake not looking at ZeroPaid. Not that I don't want to read ZP, but because I really don't have much choice in the matter. :frown:

I wish more people could post things they find interesting as well. It doesn't have to be me posting a good chunk of the new threads really. There hasn't been to many complaints directed at me, so I can presume there are some interests that I have that are similar to yours. Great news as you're more likely to find something interesting others would more than likely find interesting. Heck, surprise us with your rock collection. I know I recently was impressed with someone's sand collection (that woman off of Sicko that had sand from beaches all over the world to be precise). I was also surprised a while back to see a spirited debate on water. Point is, just about anything can be interesting. I encourage others to post interesting stuff. It's certainly fun for me finding stuff everywhere as it gives me something to do and share it with others so they can have fun with it (ala the hilarious "helping hand" convo). It's also a bonus when people respond to it (and who doesn't mind that extra warm fuzzy feeling anyway?)

It's a filesharing website and information can be shared here as well. :smile:

[kippies]

wtf are you talking about? The admins aren't going anywhere. Jorge and Chris may not post much, but they are still the admins of this site, whether you like it or not. I highly doubt either one is going to step down on your behalf. The only positions even available are supermod, which is not open to general discussion. I'm sure Drew can speak for himself. Maybe he should ask or PM the right people if he wants to be a mod.

umm missing my point- im out for a decent user experience, not to get on the ladder

When i can come here three days in a row and see only spam posts I worry..

I could care less about what positions are available as its not my bag- I want the zeropaid of a year ago where I could get a laugh, get informed of the latest P2P stuff and generally bouce posts of other active users- ive posted less recently as I feel theres little point, I wound up here as I enjoy posting on a tangent like many others on here do, or rather used to...

If you want to read an agenda into that- as obviously you could not argue things have NOT slowed down- more fool you

:fing26:

just trying to give some insight into WHY things have slowed down

[RACKnRAIL]

umm missing my point- im out for a decent user experience, not to get on the ladder

When i can come here three days in a row and see only spam posts I worry..

I could care less about what positions are available as its not my bag- I want the zeropaid of a year ago where I could get a laugh, get informed of the latest P2P stuff and generally bouce posts of other active users- ive posted less recently as I feel theres little point, I wound up here as I enjoy posting on a tangent like many others on here do, or rather used to...

If you want to read an agenda into that- as obviously you could not argue things have NOT slowed down- more fool you

:fing26:

just trying to give some insight into WHY things have slowed down

As a mod I come here just about every day and lately I have not seen one spam post, so I have no idea what you're talking about, again. It's like the spammers have all gone away on vacation or we have boosted our forum spam filters.

The place has changed many times over and will change again, whether we like it or not. As far as slowing down goes, I have noticed many regulars have moved on. Some will return and some may not. It's just the way it goes. P2P information has changed as well. We either roll with the punches or move on.

[Sephiroth]

umm missing my point- im out for a decent user experience, not to get on the ladder

When i can come here three days in a row and see only spam posts I worry..

I could care less about what positions are available as its not my bag- I want the zeropaid of a year ago where I could get a laugh, get informed of the latest P2P stuff and generally bouce posts of other active users- ive posted less recently as I feel theres little point, I wound up here as I enjoy posting on a tangent like many others on here do, or rather used to...

If you want to read an agenda into that- as obviously you could not argue things have NOT slowed down- more fool you

:fing26:

just trying to give some insight into WHY things have slowed down

I think your insight was pretty good and constructive.

But many of the problems aren't as new, some have always existed on this site.

I think what happened is that for too long trying to grow the community with new members has been neglected. A small minority of people were allowed to create a environment that was not friendly towards new members.

That and I think in the past too many mods were too cozy with competing sites and that conflict of interest has definitely hurt this site. They can't be expected to do what is best for zeropaid if it means this site will be more popular than the other p2p forum they are moderator or admin on.

I don't point this towards the current mod staff who I think has is the best mod squad this place has had in a long time and have been dealt some hard issues to deal with. But I do know this includes some of their predecessors that I know of that, and ultimately I do think that it had a negative effect on this site.

Beyond all the mainly copy & pasted political threads there is still a few good threads still being created. New people are still registering, so it isn't like no one is viewing the place.

New people come here to talk about P2P, focus on that and new people might decide to stick around and check out the other forums.

[kippies]

I think your insight was pretty good and constructive.

But many of the problems aren't as new, some have always existed on this site.

I think what happened is that for too long trying to grow the community with new members has been neglected. A small minority of people were allowed to create a environment that was not friendly towards new members.

That and I think in the past too many mods were too cozy with competing sites and that conflict of interest has definitely hurt this site. They can't be expected to do what is best for zeropaid if it means this site will be more popular than the other p2p forum they are moderator or admin on.

I don't point this towards the current mod staff who I think has is the best mod squad this place has had in a long time and have been dealt some hard issues to deal with. But I do know this includes some of their predecessors that I know of that, and ultimately I do think that it had a negative effect on this site.

Beyond all the mainly copy & pasted political threads there is still a few good threads still being created. New people are still registering, so it isn't like no one is viewing the place.

New people come here to talk about P2P, focus on that and new people might decide to stick around and check out the other forums.

I think thats 100% right and actually i would second your comments about the mods- it was the admins my comments were aimed at

IMHO admins should post daily and at least show willing, a community is built at all levels especially when things slow down

@Rack- im sorry if you find this controversial or it offends, im just calling it like i see it and pointing out where ZP could help itself

Theres a couple of things that could help in my experience- automated greeting email or PM when people register, with a link to intros and general chat- follow up posts to intros by the higher ups or even active users - help build ZP back up to the active site it was

One last point I dont like the whole landing on the front page instead of the forums thing, it makes the site look more like a news aggregator than a community site and thats probably reflected in activity levels

again just my opinion

[Tic3]

ZeroPaid isn't necessarily suffering from admin/mod/user apathy. One of the biggest problems is the lack of development in P2P.

When there was a new protocol or application being developed on a regular basis, this place was very active.

Since BitTorrent became the predominant protocol/application, development in other areas (with a few exceptions) has all but stopped.

And with that, activity at ZeroPaid has dramatically tapered off as well.

Of course, that's an over-simplification, but for the most part it's probably true.

Monitor the forums for a week or two and tally up the number of P2P-related posts as compared to posts not related to P2P.

Compare that with post trends from five years ago.

[Drew Wilson]

Filesharing has changed significantly over the years landscape-wise. Before, as already mentioned, every week was a new development or a new creation related to p2p. Of course, this wouldn't last forever.

The copyright industry went after Napster and then Grokster. This discouraged innovation and got a number of people thinking twice when it relates to p2p development. BitTorrent put the final nail in the coffin as much of the development went to BitTorrent and creating better trackers, etc.

As I can see the traffic that goes to different news stories, it's actually not entirely the slowdown's fault - nor is it writers (news writers and programmers) either. I've written the odd news story here and there already in the past related to the development of p2p and the traffic most of the time was unimpressive at best. I'll still write stories related to development, but such stories have become unsexy as, according to some of the people I've spoken to, it's become little more than useless spam half the time now. I'm willing to bet even Digg stopped pushing a uTorrent update story on the front page these days.

Simple reason for all of this is simple - times have changed and so have people. Copyright has moved from a realm of law to a realm of politics. File-sharing has moved from a realm of technical development to a political issue. When copyright and technology clash, that's the fireworks people are more likely wanting to see vs. 'X software recieved an update today'.

I think the general public, when it comes to file-sharing, are more likely to say, 'Yeah, people file-share. Who doesn't?" It's become a common person thing now and not every common person will be looking for technical tidbits of a given client. This is why update stories often tank these days - because the general audience doesn't really care these days for the most part. A large part of the file-sharing population are really n00bs that only care that 'I get that file' as opposed to, 'hey, the overhead is slightly lower on this version!' That's just the reality of today and you have to roll with it.

The past was exciting. I won't argue that point in the slightest. It's just that what happened in the past won't be brought back no matter how hard you try (or else someone would have done that by now).