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Borgster
November 9th, 2002, 07:09 PM
just wanna know what kind of browser you like to use browsing zeropaid, or your favorite website. my personal pick has to be mozilla, easy to use, and no added bullshit.

MoonMan
November 9th, 2002, 07:47 PM
I'll probably get ragged on for this one but.. my choice would have to be Internet Explorer. Supports 99.9999999999% of web pages and has alot of good (as well as alot of crap) features.

CCSDUDE
November 9th, 2002, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by MoonMan
I'll probably get ragged on for this one but.. my choice would have to be Internet Explorer. Supports 99.9999999999% of web pages and has alot of good (as well as alot of crap) features.


I use to agree....but after using Mozilla for awhile....IE seems cheap to me now. I mean I've had to use it for afew pages that Mozilla wouldn't even load....but the rest I surf with Mozilla....I LOVE the tabbed interface....and the option to just block all cookies from so and so while letting this one or that through is better then any cookie crunchers I've seen in the past....the find function/java debug ect are all good extras too.....tad slow to load when you first boot but after that it takes up a small ram footprint when compared to IE's need to have many windows open to browse differnet sites/pages.

Edit: MSN8? *Gag*

Raztro
November 9th, 2002, 07:55 PM
OPERA OPERA OPERA!!!!!!!!! :wings

Vladd44
November 9th, 2002, 08:06 PM
Opera all the way.

I almost have to use a M$ os, but i dont have to buy it. but that doesnt mean i have to use outlook (A security nightmare) or IE(another nightmare) or any of their other options like msn messenger , Windows Media player .

SO using opera to browse, eudora for email, trillian for im, Zoomplayer for video, WinAmp for audio, and as many other non M$ progs i can use. I vote for Opera.

tenebrous
November 9th, 2002, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by MoonMan
I'll probably get ragged on for this one but.. my choice would have to be Internet Explorer. Supports 99.9999999999% of web pages and has alot of good (as well as alot of crap) features.

You miss the point of why people despise IE -- because Microsoft mandates features and sneaks them in and ends up screwing external standards. By making themselves the standards, MS eradicates other platforms (Mac, Linux, etc) and other companies (Opera, etc). Mozilla is much more standards compliant than IE is by a long shot. As a web developer, that's what's important.

Jared592
November 9th, 2002, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by MoonMan
I'll probably get ragged on for this one but.. my choice would have to be Internet Explorer. Supports 99.9999999999% of web pages and has alot of good (as well as alot of crap) features.
I'd have to agree. Internet explorer hasn't failed me and thus I have no reason to change it. I'm satisfied with Internet explorer and besides, I avoid getting too reliant on any shortcuts on my computer as they cause me to thoughtlessly look for them when I'm using a different computer without whatever feature/prog/shortcut I have on my home computer. Hmm..I hope that made some sense...

P.S. Here's my final concept avatar for Moonman...

CCSDUDE
November 9th, 2002, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Jared592

I'd have to agree. Internet explorer hasn't failed me and thus I have no reason to change it. I'm satisfied with Internet explorer and besides, I avoid getting too reliant on any shortcuts on my computer as they cause me to thoughtlessly look for them when I'm using a different computer without whatever feature/prog/shortcut I have on my home computer. Hmm..I hope that made some sense...

P.S. Here's my final concept avatar for Moonman...

IE has many loopholes and bugs.....thats one of the reasons I switched....hell the bugs in Outlook alone are insane...add in the fact that you can run a .eml script just by clicking on something with a java call to open a ceratin .eml file on a remote server....and your fucked.

Plus with Mozilla it's easy as hell to grab audio/video streams they try hard as hell to stop you from getting.


BTW: Jared, why haven't you changed yours?! LOL Like the new one?

Sockfulloflove
November 9th, 2002, 09:45 PM
well i use i.e. works good for me. i haven't yet tried or used mozilla .

blury
November 9th, 2002, 09:56 PM
Been using Crazy Browser (http://crazybrowser.com) since June this year. It saves on screen size, uses tabs, built-in pop up killer, etc. You can even customize the menu bar (add/remove 'File', 'Edit', 'View', 'History', 'Groups', etc.)

I've decided to clear up some space by manually removing some of those unnecessary items on the toolbar and keeping the basics all on the same bar: back, forward, stop, refresh, favs, and address. A lot of other browsers do not let you do this. Crazy Browser is not a completely new browser, however; It needs IE to work.

Jared592
November 10th, 2002, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by CCSDUDE


IE has many loopholes and bugs.....thats one of the reasons I switched....hell the bugs in Outlook alone are insane...add in the fact that you can run a .eml script just by clicking on something with a java call to open a ceratin .eml file on a remote server....and your fucked.

Plus with Mozilla it's easy as hell to grab audio/video streams they try hard as hell to stop you from getting.


BTW: Jared, why haven't you changed yours?! LOL Like the new one?
The thing about I.E. is that it's so integrated in WIndows that I'm reluctant to add another browser. Is Mozilla decently lean? I hate resource-hogging bloatware and am afraid any other browser would just be a pointless drag on my system...

Oh and as far as your Avatar, that's hilariously terrible! :-P

EDIT: Oh yeah, my avatar. I dunno, I dig it's simplicity and I like to keep it the same as it's easier for other people to pick you out when they glance at a forum. Of course for you my view is broadened to look for anything involving anime and underage women. :-P

CCSDUDE
November 10th, 2002, 12:25 AM
Mozilla takes a little longer to load....but it makes up for that with all the extras. I mean compare 5 IE windows open hogging space on your task bar to 1 Mozilla window with 5 tabs. In terms of SR's Mozilla takes less in the long run. It has no install file either just unzip and make a shortcut. Around 10mb's for the whole set up.


HAHAHAHA.....I like my new "flame-tas-tic" "THATS SO WRONG" avatar.....I'll change back soon since Krell seems to hate it. I just figured with the advent of the new Harry Potter movie coming out......that I'd get into the spirit and whip up one of my twisted little jokes.

MoonMan
November 10th, 2002, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by tenebrous


You miss the point of why people despise IE -- because Microsoft mandates features and sneaks them in and ends up screwing external standards. By making themselves the standards, MS eradicates other platforms (Mac, Linux, etc) and other companies (Opera, etc). Mozilla is much more standards compliant than IE is by a long shot. As a web developer, that's what's important.

How did I miss the point? This thread is about what you think is the best browser, not about why we all despise Microsoft. Oh and by the way I use Linux as well but I like the compatibility that Microshaft products have and I am perfectly content with Win2k. I think using what you like is important, not what you think the "EVIL EMPIRE!! *scary deep voice*" is doing to you. (Although I do not really despise Micropenis, I fully support the open source movement and hope Microscotum gets some competition.)

P.S. Here's my final concept avatar for Moonman...

Interesting....... but I was looking for something a little more.. moonmanish, I really don't want to be known as the "gay moon" (no offense to any of our homosexual friends out there).

Jared592
November 10th, 2002, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by CCSDUDE
Mozilla takes a little longer to load....but it makes up for that with all the extras. I mean compare 5 IE windows open hogging space on your task bar to 1 Mozilla window with 5 tabs. In terms of SR's Mozilla takes less in the long run. It has no install file either just unzip and make a shortcut. Around 10mb's for the whole set up.


HAHAHAHA.....I like my new "flame-tas-tic" "THATS SO WRONG" avatar.....I'll change back soon since Krell seems to hate it. I just figured with the advent of the new Harry Potter movie coming out......that I'd get into the spirit and whip up one of my twisted little jokes.

Oh, I dig the fact that it doesn't need to be installed. That's great in itself. I really have started to hate installing stuff that I'm not sure if I'll keep because I know when I uninstall it leaves shit behind. I think I might just check out this "Mozilla" of which you speak.

P.S.
MoonMan: I take it you haven't seen the other concept avatars I've posted around the forums (not counting the commie one). :-P

klgray
November 10th, 2002, 02:49 AM
I use myie2 and love it. I find it

*simple
*cutomizable tool bars
*light weight and quick loading
*includes a built-in pop up stopper
*good looking
*it allows me to use robo form
*DL automatically with Flash Get
*tabbed browsing
*has a built in internet cleaner
*it's skinnable and
*many other functions yet easy to use

I have used Netscape, Opera, and of course IE before. But so far the most comfortable with this one.

klgray
November 10th, 2002, 02:53 AM
CCSDUDE? I thought you were a guy?

jolton
November 10th, 2002, 10:01 AM
ie 6

Bodhisattva/GoldenSilence
November 10th, 2002, 01:56 PM
Internet Explorer works for me. . . why bother with anything else? (#30 getting closer and closer)

Rickio
November 10th, 2002, 02:24 PM
I think Opera is better but IE and Opera actually seem to use about the same amount of resources.
I used to be a fan of netscape, but Mozilla does use more resources and didn't seem worth all that much to me if Opera was around.

Of course IE needs to be tweeked with all it's damn hackers loopholes. But done that, so it's ok now.

gorphon
November 10th, 2002, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by klgray
CCSDUDE? I thought you were a guy?

he is, he just likes little girls. pretty sick isnt it?

HAHAHAHA.....I like my new "flame-tas-tic" "THATS SO WRONG" avatar.....I'll change back soon since Krell seems to hate it. I just figured with the advent of the new Harry Potter movie coming out......that I'd get into the spirit and whip up one of my twisted little jokes.

well its not funny, imagine that. so change it you little pervert. Ijust realized something... the leading poster at Zeropaid is an 18 year old perv who has a thing for meaningless posts and little girls. That makes me nauseous and also makes me wonder why I even bother to come here. since its not at all funny...

that is someone's daughter. I wonder how many other pics you have of young girls man... maybe even some illegal stuff huh?

and btw, Ive said it in other threads of this nature, I generally use opera.

CCSDUDE
November 10th, 2002, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by gorphon


he is, he just likes little girls. pretty sick isnt it?



well its not funny, imagine that. so change it you little pervert. Ijust realized something... the leading poster at Zeropaid is an 18 year old perv who has a thing for meaningless posts and little girls. That makes me nauseous and also makes me wonder why I even bother to come here. since its not at all funny...

that is someone's daughter. I wonder how many other pics you have of young girls man... maybe even some illegal stuff huh?

and btw, Ive said it in other threads of this nature, I generally use opera.

Gor: Chill out! It's the kid from the Harry Potter movie....I think "real" sickos already have access to it.....so making a lame joke off it isn't that bad.
If you feel so offended by it, I'll change it now.

*mumbles to self* People at ZP don't have a good twisted sense of humor.....

gorphon
November 10th, 2002, 03:22 PM
dude. there is absolutely noting funny about making constant to daily references and "jokes" about little girls. Its sick ok? No humor, just sick. That shouldnt be that hard...

CCSDUDE
November 10th, 2002, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by gorphon
dude. there is absolutely noting funny about making constant to daily references and "jokes" about little girls. Its sick ok? No humor, just sick. That shouldnt be that hard...


That's your opinion.....some did find it funny. But I changed it so chill out Gor...
Everyone has shit thats funny to them. And I find lame ass over the top politically incorrect jokes to be at the top of my list.

klgray
November 10th, 2002, 04:03 PM
CCSDUDE, now you're talkin'. Major Tomb Raider fan here!!!! Do you know they even have a Tomb Raider browser made by Neo Planet? I don't recommend it, though....

LordLOC
November 10th, 2002, 05:10 PM
I use IE6 as my main browser, but I use Opera and Mozilla, but I find now I use Phoenix more than any of them. So nice and lean yum.

STONE POWER D
November 10th, 2002, 09:57 PM
phoenix but that k-meleon is f#!king fast

Jared592
November 10th, 2002, 10:26 PM
CCSDUDE, what's with the reply window (the one I'm typing in right now) being so small (thin) in Mozilla? I downloaded version 1.01 the other night, and I do like that tab feature...This box weirdness makes me wonder, does Mozilla behave weirdly (smaller text boxes) on any other sites you've used?

CCSDUDE
November 10th, 2002, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Jared592
CCSDUDE, what's with the reply window (the one I'm typing in right now) being so small (thin) in Mozilla? I downloaded version 1.01 the other night, and I do like that tab feature...This box weirdness makes me wonder, does Mozilla behave weirdly (smaller text boxes) on any other sites you've used?

Yes, it doesn't do afew things exactly like IE but I've gotton use to having ZP's (as as well as most other V boards) reply window being skinny. It's annoying but its the price I pay for not having to say no to every damn fastclick ad that ZP tosses at me. LOL I just block 'em and let it allow the sessionhash cookie. I believe you can change the text site in Mozillas pref's.

Have fun playing with all the options sooner or later you'll get it how you like it.

AnimeDood
November 11th, 2002, 03:40 PM
i use Avant Browser. its like IE and Opera. its good.

newfoundglory
November 12th, 2002, 07:03 PM
I had used IE for a long, long time after switching from Netscape. I recently tried Netscape again and quickly realized the peace of mind my uninstaller gave me when it removed Netscape and everything it had dumped on my hard drive and in my registry. Yesterday I installed Opera and fell in love. It seems twice as fast as IE and has tabbed browsing. Everything I've tried in it is tight.

BTW, I wouldn't mind more pictures of the T-shirt girl, maybe modeling a ZP bikini.

Raztro
November 12th, 2002, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by newfoundglory
I had used IE for a long, long time after switching from Netscape. I recently tried Netscape again and quickly realized the peace of mind my uninstaller gave me when it removed Netscape and everything it had dumped on my hard drive and in my registry. Yesterday I installed Opera and fell in love. It seems twice as fast as IE and has tabbed browsing. Everything I've tried in it is tight.


heh good job man... feel free to come to my.opera.com forums and ask if ya need help...pz

HansG
November 21st, 2002, 02:32 PM
I really liked IE6, which comes with XP. There's just one tiny problem: it's still not as stable as it should be and when it goes... it sometimes takes along all the icons next to the clock on the bottom right corner of the screen. It happened to me quite a few too many times, then I tried Mozilla.

Mozilla was a huge relief, I was expecting a fucked up Netscape kind of browser, but it works really well. Stable, no bugs. It shows websites just like IE does, but allows me to stop those annoying popups among other things. The only time it runs into trouble is when Java is used. That Java plugin from the creators Sun is really fucked up, so when I need to visit that site I use my IE then.

It's definitely not true that IE sucks and Mozilla is great, both are great but IE is still too unstable and Mozilla has that excellent tabbed interface and the popup killer.

Ghost 23
November 24th, 2002, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by gorphon
dude. there is absolutely noting funny about making constant to daily references and "jokes" about little girls. Its sick ok? No humor, just sick. That shouldnt be that hard...

I have to agree with gorphon, there is nothing funny about making fun of yound children, I guess I can understand once in a great moon but it seems like you really like that and there are somethings you should just keep to yourself. you know sometime I'll joke around and say if there is grass on the field play ball but most of the time i just say that to get a reaction out of my environment and plus i just think its a really amuzing anicdote, but anywayz opera is by far one of the fastest browser i've use and it having the google browser built in is cool and plus it can preloaded with hyerlink to site that i would normally have to store myself, Opera rulez.

ROCKAMANIAC
November 30th, 2002, 02:10 PM
I think AOL is quite good even tho Opera is The BEST

ROCKAMANIAC
November 30th, 2002, 02:13 PM
Quite Hard choice tho !

CrAzYMaNiAk54
November 30th, 2002, 02:47 PM
You think Aol the browser is good? That is the worse piece of SH** I have ever seen!! How the hell could you like the browser and than aol itself. LMFAO!!! I use IE and Netcaptor. =D

ROCKAMANIAC
November 30th, 2002, 03:12 PM
whats wrong with AOL

ihos
November 30th, 2002, 03:37 PM
Opera is THE way to surf. I tried mozilla but it lacks alot of the power of use opera has to offer. I highly recommend mozilla users who haven't tried opera to do so. As for IE fanatics, thinking about the browsing experiencing IE offers to it's users I can only feel sympathy for them.
On the issue of incompatibility of non IE browsers with certain pages let me comment that pages who won't show well in browsers like opera or mozilla are almost always not worth visiting in the first place.
Usually commercial ones with lots of useless html code in them.

ROCKAMANIAC
November 30th, 2002, 03:37 PM
Now its Time for The great one THE ROCK !

ROCKAMANIAC
November 30th, 2002, 03:41 PM
Hope this Works

http://avatars.kamahlitude.com/wrestling/trons/rock1.gif

Ghost 23
December 1st, 2002, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by CrAzYMaNiAk54
You think Aol the browser is good? That is the worse piece of SH** I have ever seen!! How the hell could you like the browser and than aol itself. LMFAO!!! I use IE and Netcaptor. =D

I'm force to agree with crazy maniak up there, if you think aol browser is good, you really should lay of the sh@# your are smokin. Try opera, even IE, not ure about netscape but I personally am an opera man all the way,

CCSDUDE
December 1st, 2002, 02:20 PM
From what I've heard....AOL's is just GECKO with AOL's crap over it.....while AOL sucks ass GECKO doesn't....it's in Mozilla/Opera to I think/Netscape - which sucks.....

So it's not that off....but yes even IE is better then AOL's crap....


Later

«°¤§téålth§t®îk餰»
December 3rd, 2002, 08:46 PM
*now StealthStrike enters his humble opinon very late in the game*

I use IE6, but you probably don't care.

I did't know AOL had a browser...I heard about MSN8 but not AOL. Is it better than MSN8 or the other way round?

Ghost 23
December 3rd, 2002, 08:50 PM
I wasn't even aware to the fact that MSN released a browser of it own, would have thought that is what IE was for I guess I maybe wrong about that, can someone clarify by posting a link?:mellow

collideous
December 3rd, 2002, 09:09 PM
Got Netscape 4.x & 7, Mozilla, Opera, and IE on my machine at work. Same on my Mac with the exception of Opera. At home I've only got the latest IE, which is the browser I prefer. From a web developer's standpoint I'd say Opera is pretty crappy (CSS), and any IE or Netscape browsers below 5 should be banned. Anyone using the SBC/Yahoo browser yet? Though I wouldn't use it, I was quite impressed.

Borgster
December 3rd, 2002, 09:45 PM
i havn't commented in here for awhile, but this is my personal preference, i feel safer using open source software than using a closed source software like internet explorer. one of the beuties of open source software is that if the original coders decide to quit, another person can pick off were they left off, if they have the skills to compile the source by themselves, usually it takes a lot to compile an opensource program, you got to have the right compiler, for instance if you were working in the delphi language (which i use a program made in that language called slavanap), you would need the delphi 4 suite or 6 suite. i also think napster shoud've released the source to there program. another thing about compiling opensource software is if you change the original name to a program that youd like it to be called, youd have to give credit to the original coders, it basically depends on the public license the program is released under (the most common is the GPL General Public License) i sound like a geek here in this whole post, but i think opensource software is the future of programs. i bet a lot of people did NOT understand what i just said.

MoonMan
December 4th, 2002, 02:53 PM
I stand by my claim that IE is my prefered choice. Personally I think using Opera only is just to boost someone's ego. So they can look down on others and say "I use Opera and Linux! Fucking newbies!"

I like Opera to some extent, but it is just TOO damn limited.

Borgster
December 4th, 2002, 03:08 PM
Mozilla is the best of the browsers, not a load of bloated bs in it, and full of features like a pop up disabler, and i think the new 1.2 version doesnt show advertisements.

Ghost 23
December 4th, 2002, 03:09 PM
To bad Mozilla is slow as hell and has all kinds od security issues.

Foreverboard
December 4th, 2002, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by MoonMan
I stand by my claim that IE is my prefered choice. Personally I think using Opera only is just to boost someone's ego. So they can look down on others and say "I use Opera and Linux! Fucking newbies!"

I like Opera to some extent, but it is just TOO damn limited.


Why do you say that Opera is limited? Its really the website that you go to that limits the browser. if a person\company makes their website mainly for IE users (90% of the web is this way) then you will always have one dominated software and everyone will think the rest are crap, and some are. But Opera has stuff the IE does not, including a great pop-up crusher.

phalkon30
December 4th, 2002, 03:51 PM
I'm entering this thread really late, but i like IE6, its integrated into windows, which is nice

it gets frequent updates, good or bad, its nice to feel somewhat more secure by patching a lot, and ms is fast to find holes

the only problem i have had (somebody mentioned it) is with xp, if it crashes, it IS the windows explorer, so it is the equivelent of doing a three finger salute and exiting explorer (in 95/98/me?), its anoying as hell because the icons in my taskbar dont allways refresh, so the progs run, but i cant acess them

IE is plenty stable for me, it crashes maybe once a month for me, and overall i have no complaints, its very compatible and there are lots of hacks for it, so i can customize it the way i want :)

MoonMan
December 4th, 2002, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Foreverboard



Why do you say that Opera is limited? Its really the website that you go to that limits the browser. if a person\company makes their website mainly for IE users (90% of the web is this way) then you will always have one dominated software and everyone will think the rest are crap, and some are. But Opera has stuff the IE does not, including a great pop-up crusher.



True, but what really disappoints me about Opera is the lack of support (as of yet) for CSS. Not only does it not accept it, it usually shows a blank page for any site using it. That really is my biggest problem with it, other than that I think it is a reliable browser.

Foreverboard
December 4th, 2002, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by MoonMan


True, but what really disappoints me about Opera is the lack of support (as of yet) for CSS. Not only does it not accept it, it usually shows a blank page for any site using it. That really is my biggest problem with it, other than that I think it is a reliable browser.


I will agree with that. Opera is about as good with support as ATI is with damn driver updates. Makes me wonder if they have more than one person\monkey working in that dept for them.

phalkon30
December 4th, 2002, 07:08 PM
for all the mozilla fans out there.....heres a nice mod tutorial, it shows you how to code extensions

if i used it, it might be cool (mozilla that is), i got this off of www.techtv.com/thescreensavers

the link to the article is http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/howto/story/0,24330,3409801,00.html

have fun!

«°¤§téålth§t®îk餰»
December 6th, 2002, 12:16 AM
whadda bout, moding IE6? Got any good sites for that?


.

phalkon30
December 6th, 2002, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by «°¤§téålth§t®îk餰»
whadda bout, moding IE6? Got any good sites for that?
not really, i used to have a few programs for IE that could change the icon in the top right corner (it had some animated icons with the prog, but you could add your own)

it also allowed you to skin IE

and you could change the name at the top (mine used to say IE brought to you by...., so i was able to change it back to the default)

cant think of anything else it did, although i know it did.........can you think of something you want modded for IE? I can do some research and try to find it

gorphon
December 6th, 2002, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by MoonMan
I stand by my claim that IE is my prefered choice. Personally I think using Opera only is just to boost someone's ego. So they can look down on others and say "I use Opera and Linux! Fucking newbies!"

I like Opera to some extent, but it is just TOO damn limited.

I disagree..... I like opera (mainly) for one simple reason. F12!!!

and I dont believe I have ever called anyone a newbie, let alone a fucking one....

MoonMan
December 6th, 2002, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by gorphon


I disagree..... I like opera (mainly) for one simple reason. F12!!!

and I dont believe I have ever called anyone a newbie, let alone a fucking one....

Ok I think I was a little bit too harsh on the general Opera user base. I only mean the 1337 g33ks who prance around IRC and try to send viruses.

You know I ment no harm Gorphon (I hope), right?

Well here is the bouncing frog of good will: :fire
Please accept my humblest of apologizes (seriously :wings )

gorphon
December 6th, 2002, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by MoonMan


Ok I think I was a little bit too harsh on the general Opera user base. I only mean the 1337 g33ks who prance around IRC and try to send viruses.

You know I ment no harm Gorphon (I hope), right?

Well here is the bouncing frog of good will: :fire
Please accept my humblest of apologizes (seriously :wings )

of course man.... I just always feel the need to offer my opinion, whether its wanted or not! I didnt take it personally in any way, I just happen to be lazyenough to think the F12 function is the bee's knees! there are other good things too, I just rarely ever need or use them.

on the other hand, there are many image files that dont like to load in opera.... maybe you can answer this for me actually moonman, since I know you have more knowledge of web developping than I.... is that particular problem related just to opera not supporting cascading style sheets? or is it that plus something else.... because it seems to me that opera should seriously implement css, regardless, I know a lot of people are using it now...

MoonMan
December 6th, 2002, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by gorphon


of course man.... I just always feel the need to offer my opinion, whether its wanted or not! I didnt take it personally in any way, I just happen to be lazyenough to think the F12 function is the bee's knees! there are other good things too, I just rarely ever need or use them.

on the other hand, there are many image files that dont like to load in opera.... maybe you can answer this for me actually moonman, since I know you have more knowledge of web developping than I.... is that particular problem related just to opera not supporting cascading style sheets? or is it that plus something else.... because it seems to me that opera should seriously implement css, regardless, I know a lot of people are using it now...

Actually I think it is only certain versions of CSS that don't seem to work. It supports Zeropaids just fine, on the other hand it handles the code I use completely wrong..

<style type="text/css"><!--body { scrollbar-face-color: #000000; scrollbar-shadow-color: #3399CC; scrollbar-highlight-color: #00FFFF; scrollbar-3dlight-color: #3300CC; scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #330066; scrollbar-track-color: #0099FF; scrollbar-arrow-color: #3300CC }//--></style>

<style TYPE="text/css">
<!--
A:link {text-decoration: none; color:#0066FF}
A:visited {text-decoration: none; color:#5588BB}
A:hover {text-decoration: none; color:#33CCFF }
td {
font-size: 10;
font-family: Papyrus,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,MS Sans Serif,Sans-Serif;
}
--!></style>

I get a blank page when I try that code.

Plus (Java or none java version), it doesn't like javascript too well..

As well as the fact that it despises tables (major html tags on the 'net today) like the one on my front page. If you have IE, Mozilla, or Netscape then open up my page and look at the table... contrary to Opera the others actually SHOW the table in its entirety.

Those are just small things that annoy me in an otherwise excellent program. But like I said (did I say this? I'll have to check lol), use what you like!

EDIT: When I said entirety, I also ment not deformed, and sometimes Opera makes the table massive and other times it just puts the text in random places around the page.. it should have a scroll bar on the table so the page isn't gigantic.

gorphon
December 6th, 2002, 05:08 PM
opera has just released a new beta version 7, I went searching after I started wondering what the deal is, and it has apparently got improved and/or added support for ccs2, html 4.01, ECMAscript and a bunch of other things. Im gonna try it out right now....

Ghost 23
December 6th, 2002, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by gorphon
opera has just released a new beta version 7, I went searching after I started wondering what the deal is, and it has apparently got improved and/or added support for ccs2, html 4.01, ECMAscript and a bunch of other things. Im gonna try it out right now....

That funny you mentioned ccs2 style sheets b/c we were discussing that at work today, I had never really heard about before today but I leard alot about it.

Elviz
December 30th, 2002, 07:08 PM
Im using Avant Browser its really cool

Koffee Bean
December 30th, 2002, 07:31 PM
Avant Browser is THE best out there! Here are the top 9 reason's to swtich over:

Pop-up Stopper: Eliminate unwanted pop-up pages automatically.

Additional Mouse Functions: Click a link in the web page with the middle mouse button, the link will be opened in a new window. Hold the right button then click the left button, the current page will navigate backward one step. Hold the left button then click the right button, the current page will navigate forward one step.

Browsing Options: Avant Browser provides options to block download of pictures, videos, sounds and ActiveX components. With these options users can efficiently use their bandwidth and speed up page loading.

Tabbed Browsing/Multi View Browsing: Browse multiple web pages simultaneously. All opened pages can be easily stopped, refreshed, closed or arranged with one click.

Built-in Google Search Engine: Avant Browser provides built-in search engine, which is powered by Google, the most powerful search engine in the world. Built-in search engine enables user to search for web pages and images in Internet.

Integrated Cleaner: Help you to keep your privacy and easily clear typed addresses, recently opened pages, web page passwords, cookies and temporary Internet files.

Safe Recovery: If Avant Browser is closed improperly, all open web pages are saved and will be automatically reopened at next startup.

Internet Explorer Compatibility: Avant Browser is compatible with all Internet Explorer functions, including Java Script, Cookies, Real player, Media Player, Internet Explorer Favorites, Macromedia Flash and ActiveX Controls.

Easy Using: Avant Browser comes with more shortcuts. It's much easier to close or create new browser window.

Tremaine
December 30th, 2002, 08:09 PM
IE is the best browsers supports almost all sites personaly havent had one site that didnt work with it. I used netscape for along time it was always to laggy, Opera is my favorite browser the best designed, but it doesnt support all the sites i try to load so id have to say i even though it was designed by microsoft.

kevoid
December 30th, 2002, 08:49 PM
Browsers on my comp...

Opera 7.0 (Build 2577)
Phoenix 0.5 (30-Dec-2002)
MyIE2 0.6.835 (IE 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp1.020828-1920)

Also MyIE2 is better than Avant Browser FYI.

(MyIE2 and Avant Browser both use the IE engine)

AnimeDood
December 30th, 2002, 09:18 PM
actually i think Netcaptor is better than MyIE 2 and Avant Browser. MyIE 2 kept crashing my computer, and Avant Browser doesnt have that thing when you click the scroll. but Netcaptor is shareware, there are always cracks and stuff though.

WRFan
December 30th, 2002, 09:39 PM
IE is the best, both for websurfers and for website developers/webmasters. I don't know why use anything else. I spend very much time on the net, always using IE when in windows, and never had any problems with it. just set activex execution to "ask me" and do your updates regularly, then security is guaranteed and the browser itself is very fast, comfortable and works with 99% of all pages out there. it's very tolerant, so even if some webmasters are dumbasses and don't know how to write their code, IE will still show it as intended in most cases.

mozilla (or rather let's say gecko technology - galeon on linux, chimaera and mozilla/netscape on windows and other OS) and opera are the worst. slow, ineffective, don't know css, javascript etc. the situation is even worse on linux, where nearly nothing works. second best is konqueror (linux).
you can't count netcaptor/myie, because these are just guis for IE libraries, so netcaptor and others are basically IE

Vlet
January 11th, 2003, 02:37 AM
MSN8 = Internet explorer

Their browser is simply an executable implementing the IE OCX control like so many have (you think KaZaA wrote their own browser - I think not).

MSN8 is simply a retard version of IE..

P.S. IE is the best browser out there as far as speed and reliability goes despite the fact that it only runs "JScript" and not "JavaScript" - if you have a question or complaint about this lasy comment, do not post it, just look it up.

Theinfamousone
January 28th, 2003, 09:21 PM
IE is in a word "simple" I don't think many would disagree, so for most people that's what they want, the guys that are hard core htmlers or whatever might need a few more options.

EDIT: BTW, my mouse has forward and back buttons (which are really nice) and it only works with IE

Karizmatik
January 28th, 2003, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by MoonMan
I'll probably get ragged on for this one but.. my choice would have to be Internet Explorer. Supports 99.9999999999% of web pages and has alot of good (as well as alot of crap) features.

U think u'll get ragged on..LoL - My browser of choice is AOL 8.0, i'm a beta tester for 'em & with my Comcast broadband it's off tha chainz..That & we haven't paid for AOL in over a year cuz my wife just bitches 'em out every few months & they give us 3 months free..LoL - It now has a built in pop-up blocker & u can use skins on tha toolbar & yer background.

Undermind
January 29th, 2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Karizmatik
U think u'll get ragged on..LoL - My browser of choice is AOL 8.0, i'm a beta tester for 'em & with my Comcast broadband it's off tha chainz..That & we haven't paid for AOL in over a year cuz my wife just bitches 'em out every few months & they give us 3 months free..LoL - It now has a built in pop-up blocker & u can use skins on tha toolbar & yer background.


This is me officially ragging on you, LOL, AOL what are you thinking? O well, free is free. Me I'll go w/ IE, no particular reason, it just werx is all, sorry if that seems lazy, but sometimes you just have to be lazy

isus
February 22nd, 2003, 06:52 PM
i think safari is best. its fast, stable, etc. so i couldnt vote, bc i dont like any of the ones i could have voted for.

Rahwgwar
February 22nd, 2003, 10:33 PM
Avant Browser. I haven't used IE in ages.

strestout1
July 16th, 2003, 10:34 PM
IE? are we serious? I use Mozilla Firebird 0.6, and it's great. I've tried IE, AvantBrowser, Opera, Netscape, and countless others and i think it's the best. Built in popup blocker, slick, low resource use, fast, small filesize, standards compliant, and open source.

yzarc140
August 3rd, 2003, 10:50 PM
personally i'd rather use opera, but unfortunatly certain html, css or whatever can only be viewed with IE.

FutureIverson
August 9th, 2003, 11:36 PM
sorry i didn't have time to look at the others. But you forgot
NETSCAPE... their alright, but outside of school i see no point of it. It's just supposed to be easy and user-friendly. how about the seahawks. 20-7 over chargers tonight. I went to the game it was fun. Sat behind drunks. by the 3rd quarter i couldn't take it anymore, had to move tha bastards

Karizmatik
August 10th, 2003, 04:33 AM
None of tha above, AoL for life baby...LoL - Love it so much I got cable & still pay 7 bucks a month to keep AoL. 9.0 Broadband Optimized is nice.

dock0184
August 10th, 2003, 05:29 AM
MOZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZiLLA!! HARRRR

shawners
August 10th, 2003, 06:49 AM
For some reason netscape wasnt an option on it? I always use Windows explorer, alot of pages dont load but i dont like alot of the banners anyways=)

mcnasty150
August 10th, 2003, 08:43 AM
:gj :gj i use netscape 7.1. haven t used ie in a long time.

FutureIverson
August 11th, 2003, 03:45 PM
since no aol users have been sued by the riaa, i kind of don't care. I wouldn't go to aol knowing i won't get sued. aol is bullshit, i can get AIM for free, with all the features. Besdies comcast is faster than aol. my connection is rarely slowed by other users.

tidal
August 25th, 2003, 05:47 PM
mozilla won't play nice with me... neither will its cousin firebird...

i'm still on IE... used to it... like it... :)