Usenet- Newsgroups Give Better Access!

[DasFox]

Ok you saw that title and thought, what's this guy talking about?

Have all the junk files, viruses and getting no where on a P2P network got you down? Then you heard about Torrents, and found half the time you looked for something you couldn't find it, and then when you did there where more people leeching then seeding. Then later in disappointment you found out for torrents that all the good stuff is in private, invitational only servers.

Well if you're tired of running around looking for good public, or private torrent sites, can't get anywhere on P2P networks either, and you can't get an invite for a great torrent site, then maybe Usenet is the thing you've been looking for.

I remember a day when P2P really ruled, fast connections, you did a search, saw it, downloaded it, and not a crap load of junk files, and viruses. But todays Peer2Peer networks can be a difficult place to get something.

On P2P many times connections are difficult or slow, then you find something, you need either more sources, sit in a queue forever, or sit and wait for the file for whatever reason that won't download. Then when you finally get a connection for something, many times you end up with slow download speeds.

P2P clients seem to face more problems with speeds, viruses, etc.. when compared to torrents. Of course if you're just looking for music on a client like Limewire then you shouldn't face to many problems. It's when you are looking for other things the P2P networks can be difficult.

Torrents and P2P can be more of a pain when your stuck out there in the public, when all the good stuff seems to be private, and on invite only.

If you want to have a go at Usenet you'll need a client program to connect to it. If you get lost in all of this information, the programs, Grabit, Forte Agent, Newsleecher, News Rover, and Xnews are the more popular ones.

Here's some information on the various clients:

Newsreaders (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/usenet/t-newsreaders-40871.html)

Next get yourself a Usenet account. Here are the most popular ones:

Usenet Access (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/usenet/t-choosing-usenet-access-40873.html)

Rather then just surfing the Newsgroups with your client program of choice, there are now Usenet search engines out there to help you find your way around.

Here's one of the best Usenet search engines:

newzBin (http://www.newzbin.com)

Grab Newzbin fast because at times they close the sign ups when they get a lot of users, and they don't want anymore. They're really inexpensive, and a great service to have.

Here is what their payment info says:

"A premium newzBin account is currently 25 British pence a week. If you are in the United States, this is the equivalent of 50 cents a week. For Europeans, that's 35c EU a week, or for Canadians, 60c Canadian a week."

Here is some information to teach you the world of Usenet:

http://www.binaries4all.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://www.ibiblio.org/usenet-i/usenet-help.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1/

The downside to good Usenet service is it's not free, but then it's not that much either, and every Usenet provider has a different rate, so look until you find one within your budget. Most good ISPs in the USA will give you Usenet access, but don't expect much, but actually when you've never seen it before you will think it's great, but in time you will see the differences between what your ISP allows and a paid subscription.

The Usenet support you get from your ISP won't compare to what you get when you pay for it, but when you consider how much you can get every day 24/7, the little it costs isn't that much.

Paying for Usenet service gives you better retention, meaning things will stay on the server longer, plus there is greater access to more.

When you can't find something on the newsgroups be nice, make a request, and sooner or later it will hopefully show up, and the best part is you download as fast as your connection will go because you are downloading straight from a server, not like a P2P sharing network.

If you can't dish out the costs for Usenet service then check with your ISP. Most Good ISPs give free Usenet access, and whatever access you get from your ISP hopefully will be better then P2P and the public torrents.

With the addition of Usenet, P2P and Torrents you won't go wrong, because when you can't find it at one place you'll eventually get it at another. Play with them all and see which works best for you.

Be sure to READ: "Slyck's Guide To The Newsgroups"

http://www.slyck.com/ng.php

Have Fun! :icon_sunn

[SanDiegoKid]

What's an internet?

[Krell]

If Zeropaid really cared to help you find your goodies, then they should of been pimping Usenet here long ago.

We were pimpin, and no, we dont r e a l l y care, we just dont legislate who uses what, where the fuck have you been?


P.S. I'm not pissed, mad, or any of the above, I'm just sharing some real info to show you something more real then P2P will ever be!

We couldnt care less, and It IS P2P, but thanks anyway.


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[DwarfBaby]

There's already a very vocal newsgroup bandwagon that has been here since the inception of this site. I am a proud worshiper of the Usenet deity of course and I spread the faith at every opportunity I get, either on this site or in real life.

I’ll agree that Zeropaid certainly doesn’t “Pimp” Usenet like it does the other networks and I’ve asked before for a Usenet forum category but alas the faith has fallen on deaf ears. However there’re many Usenet guru’s besides myself that “Pimp” the word of light in the underground here. I'm sure you'll be hearing from them shortly enough.

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[Excrement_Cranium]

There's already a very vocal newsgroup bandwagon that has been here since the inception of this site. I am a proud worshiper of the Usenet deity of course and I spread the faith at every opportunity I get, either on this site or in real life.

I’ll agree that Zeropaid certainly doesn’t “Pimp” Usenet like it does the other networks and I’ve asked before for a Usenet forum category but alas the faith has fallen on deaf ears. However there’re many Usenet guru’s besides myself that “Pimp” the word of light in the underground here. I'm sure you'll be hearing from them shortly enough.

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But you are only 1/4 as obnoxious in your newsgroup whoring as some others.


NOW GO GET ME MY FILES, HOE!

[DasFox]

I'm sorry many of you misunderstand the point to this post.

It has nothing to do with being a Usenet Fanboy, Pimper, or Whore of the Foundation.

It's called using the best tool to do the job.

I just posted this figuring people here are trying to use P2P and get somewhere, and they're not going to when you compare it to what Usenet can net you.

That's all there is to it, simply put, use the best tool to get the job done.

Obviously people that use P2P are out to download.

Granted if all you're after are MP3s then P2P might suit you fine, but the second you want to get a Movie, Game, some App, or any very large file you're going to die 9 times out of 10, or even 100% of the time trying to get it, let alone even find it on P2P.

And as I mentioned before on Usenet if you don't see it at least you can make a request which usually always shows up.

AND actually I was just trying to be a nice guy with my experience and share this information with others was all.

No hidden agenda I promise! :-)

I think 20 years should qualify me as quite proficient.

I hope this clears up some misunderstandings. :-)

[DwarfBaby]

I wasn't mocking you and to be honest welcome to the club. However, the best you can hope for is to help someone who earnestly wants to learn Usenet. There are three reasons why standing on a soap box doesn't work here.

#1 Usenet cost money. I realize $15 isn't that much money and most people make that in an hour at work, however many people here don't want to pay anything even if they spend hours trying to get just a couple files. In the morning It takes me about 10 minutes to queue up 6 Full DVD's and when I get home from work they are all done and ready to burn. Obviously, that’s faster then you can even watch the movies even assuming you neither work nor sleep. That is certainly worth $15 to me, but to each his own.

#2 Usenet has a learning curve. For those who know Usenet they realize it 100x easier then P2P and absurdly faster. However it is different and different requires relearning things hence the learning curve.

#3 They are content where they are. They like a certain program and they stick with it. Also, people here are used to hearing how great a program or a product is and they simply ignore people who proclaim to have a better product.

[DasFox]

DwarfBaby I wasn't talking about anything you said, you've been quite the lady thanks.

#1 Usenet cost money, not true a GOOD ISP can get you a pretty good connection into Usenet. Most USA ISPs provide Usenet, it's just that most people don't realize it, and of course the amount of groups and retention is less then a paying service, but in many ways what your ISP is going to provide you is much better then P2P.

#2 Usenet has a learning curve, that might be true, but if they can figure out how to work P2P, and Torrents, Usenet is no more difficult, it's not Unix, now that's a learning curve. :-)

#3 They are content where they are, only because no one has showed them a better path, or made them realize their options. People are always content until they realize there is an easier way of doing things.

Thanks for your reply.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Yes, dwarf. You've been quite the lady.


I haven't gone digging far enough to see if my current ISP provides newsgroup access yet... meh.

#4)People (me) are lazy.

[DigitalJunkie]

@DasFox,

Yes, Usenet is fast & not too expensive. But, I use different P2P programs & networks for my own reasons! It's true in the U.S., P2P are not as popular as before, but I see plenty outside of U.S. still like them today. Why? Like me, I like to share what I got. I've been a P2P user for over ten years, not because I only want them fast! If I want it fast, torrents are fast enough for me. If I want rare files, I still can find them on P2P networks. Taking risk? Maybe, I am. Guess what? I've not been caught once all these years. I just do them, more careful these days!

I'll do it as long as I can, but this is not to say that you are wrong for using Usenet! I'm just telling you, why I'm still using P2P today.

[cjules13]

Personally you guys should kill this site, actually not kill it, but revamp it. I'm not saying you're not really trying, and I'm sure a damm fine job, I'm not here to piss on you, or your work, but torrents and P2P just plain suck!

Dude you're out there loose if you think torrents suck. There's barely a file out there I can't get via torrents at my max speed...
And you bust this thread out saying this site is all wrong?
And like it's some newsflash like we've been missing out on the greatest thing since sliced bread in newsgroups? If anything it's you who's late to the party as we've all been there and done that and it just isn't really an issue.

[DasFox]

Dude you're out there loose if you think torrents suck. There's barely a file out there I can't get via torrents at my max speed...
And you bust this thread out saying this site is all wrong?
And like it's some newsflash like we've been missing out on the greatest thing since sliced bread in newsgroups? If anything it's you who's late to the party as we've all been there and done that and it just isn't really an issue.

Actually I see now you mean the private torrent sites, etc.. and all along I was talking about the public stuff.

:icon_thum

THANKS

[DwarfBaby]

I use bittorent sometimes as it is useful for some rare files that have fallen off the Usenet servers. This is the only point bittorent has over Usenet. More users, more files. Bittorent is my last resort. %99 of the time Usenet has what I want and abhorrently faster. And by the way .NZB files kick the shit out .torrent files any day. On the fly NZB creation is so useful its absurd. Newsgroup archiving and Indexing is also far more advanced and Useful.

By the way I only whore Newsgroups in Newsgroups threads. If you want to whore Bittorent why don't you find a bittorent thread and turn some tricks there.

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[CRLocky]

I just figured out how to play Halo 2 online a couple of weeks ago! I'm already a 12 sniper. It's badass!

This internet thing is amazing!

[DasFox]

I use bittorent sometimes as it is useful for some rare files that have fallen off the Usenet servers. This is the only point bittorent has over Usenet. More users, more files. Bittorent is my last resort. %99 of the time Usenet has what I want and abhorrently faster. And by the way .NZB files kick the shit out .torrent files any day. On the fly NZB creation is so useful its absurd. Newsgroup archiving and Indexing is also far more advanced and Useful.

By the way I only whore Newsgroups in Newsgroups threads. If you want to whore Bittorent why don't you find a bittorent thread and turn some tricks there.

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True a torrent and seed will stay around a lot longer then a posting in Usenet. But when you're also looking for something that is 1-2 years old the seeds can be bad or nonexistent. Now in any case, bad seeds, bad connection etc.. with torrents, at least you can go into Usenet and make a, "Request" to get something.

In fact I was just looking for a Star Trek episode the other day, and there was nothing for it on P2P, or torrents, so what are you going to do then, sit and wait and hope it shows up?

Well I joined the newsgroups that handle Star Trek binaries made a request, and two days later someone filled it. That my friends is just one of the beauties of the newsgroups.

[DasFox]

Oh and did I forget to say ----> "Newsgroup Search Engines"?

http://www.newzbin.com/

Newzbin is just one of a few, not sure if Newzbin opened up for more accounts, but you thought .NZB files kicked butt DwarfBaby, then I don't know what level Newzbin would be at. :)

[Jorge]

Just to let you all know, i have added a Usenet forum. enjoy!

[cjules13]

Where did I say this site is all wrong? Excuse me you're putting words in my mouth, and you're talking crap, and then flipping me off.


Do I have to quote you again? Ok I will:


Personally you guys should kill this site, actually not kill it, but revamp it. I'm not saying you're not really trying, and I'm sure a damm fine job, I'm not here to piss on you, or your work, but torrents and P2P just plain suck!

I'm not putting words in your mouth at all. I don't know what part of "you guys should kill this site" doesn't mena telling us the site is all wrong. That's basic to connect.

Sure I use Soulseek once in a blue moon to look for a old rare mp3 that I missed along the way, but that might be once every 3 months. OiNK pretty much has everything you need... I can't remember the last time I had to use Soulseek when I couldn't find it on OiNK, and boo hoo, so there might be 2 or 3 seeders on an older album, so I have to wait an hour instead of 10 minutes... waaaah.

I don't care how old you are, you're the one coming in telling us we're all idiots like we're children or noobs. Typical newsgroup fanboy. Whatever. I'm not saying newsgroups aren't useful, but they're not the holy grail or something like you're trying to claim.

[DasFox]

Sorry cjules13 we seemed to have gotten off on the wrong foot, actually I meant to revamp the site, change it around.

And sorry if you thought the post was to imply I was coming in telling people what to do, or thinking they where idiots, that was not my intentions at all.

I guess some of my wording could of been better.

I just wanted to share this information with people was all, so AGAIN I'm sorry you, and anyone else might of taken it the wrong way.

THANKS

[cjules13]

It's cool... People should try newsgroups more than begging for BT invites anyway. If you're not a member of the right sites, BT can and does leave you out in the cold.

[mfgbypooter]

That my friends is just one of the beauties of the newsgroups.

if you are looking for the beauties of the newsgroups you might try alt.binaries.erotica



edit: oh yeah, Thanks Jorge, it's about fucking time!

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[DasFox]

It's cool... People should try newsgroups more than begging for BT invites anyway. If you're not a member of the right sites, BT can and does leave you out in the cold.

Well I've seen most of the torrent sites out there, and been a member of a few, but that's not to say I've found them all, but I'm sure with a bit of digging I could.

Anyhow would you care to share with us what you've found, or PM us with who some of these better member places are?

Personally I'd love to see how they stack up to what I've seen.

THANKS

[DwarfBaby]

if you are looking for the beauties of the newsgroups you might try alt.binaries.erotica



edit: oh yeah, Thanks Jorge, it's about fucking time!

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This feels like an early Christmas present:icon_sant

Thanks Jorge

[DasFox]

This feels like an early Christmas present:icon_sant

Thanks Jorge

I've been a member over 4 years, but I've never posted much of anything. OH I wasn't paying attention, SO a NEW Usenet section, ahhh I see. :icon_thum

[SanDiegoKid]

I almost always have something pouring in from UseNet. It really does make BitTorrent use all but antiquated for me, but like cJules I also need my Oink. I'll often use the better torrents sites as an "nForce" of sorts, just to see what's new, then go super search it with NewsLeecher (the #1 usenet grabber).

... alt.binaries.erotica really is great.. but in moderation. If you watch too much porn with no one but yourself and your bottle of lotion, you may run the risk of never leaving your chair and losing all of your friends. I much prefer alt.binaries.psp.

I hope you wipe down your mouse after.

[rainbowdemon]

My ISP's newsgroups suck doggie balls. So, it's BT all the way for me!!

[meyou123]

@rainbowdemon....yes most newsgroups that are ISP controlled are sucky, but there are some that are pretty decent...IF you happen to live in a place that has one. If you are like me and want newsgroups, but do not have a decent ISP newsserver, I just use Giganews and have their encryption service and the speeds I am getting far outweigh the cost. But then again everyone is different.

The speeds I got even on private torrent sites like torrentleech did not compare...now I only go there very rarely. But I still do visit occasionally...as they do offer some files that newsgroups and other sites don't.

[DasFox]

Newsleecher that app is way to busy, way to much going on, I don't like it at all.

For me just doing a search on Newzbin, get a .NZB click away and let Grabit download.

For simplicity downloading I think Grabit is pretty tough to beat.

So where, and how can I get in on one of these invite torrent sites?

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing what these places are like.

[cjules13]

Put it this way: 124000 music torrents in one place, 90% full albums or whole collections, pushing 2 years retention, and if I'm not downloading at at least 500k, I'm upset.

Movies the same way, no requests, no waits, and best of all: No pay. All you need is a browser and uTorrent.

[DasFox]

Put it this way: 124000 music torrents in one place, 90% full albums or whole collections, pushing 2 years retention, and if I'm not downloading at at least 500k, I'm upset.

Movies the same way, no requests, no waits, and best of all: No pay. All you need is a browser and uTorrent.


Yes, but where's the best place to look for torrents then? Personally I know just about all the popular ones you can surf to without an invite, but I can't say I've ever seen much of anything good to get. Most of the seeds I've seen are typically dead.

http://www.torrents.to/ ???

[thepuzzler]

Well I joined the newsgroups that handle Star Trek binaries made a request, and two days later someone filled it. That my friends is just one of the beauties of the newsgroups.

That happens quite a lot on torrent sites too. Make a request and it gets filled usually within the same day on some sites. You also get a shiney PM too with a link.

I use p2p / torrents / whatever cause I'm adverse to paying for things, hence the reason I won't shell out for usenet. Plus my ISP's provider isn't all that bad, well for free it isn't.

There's nothing on usenet that can't be found (quickly) and for free via bit torrent.

[DasFox]

That happens quite a lot on torrent sites too. Make a request and it gets filled usually within the same day on some sites. You also get a shiney PM too with a link.

I use p2p / torrents / whatever cause I'm adverse to paying for things, hence the reason I won't shell out for usenet. Plus my ISP's provider isn't all that bad, well for free it isn't.

There's nothing on usenet that can't be found (quickly) and for free via bit torrent.

Yes but you guys are still not telling us the better of the Torrent sites.

I''ve surfed about everyone of them you can find off Google, and I still haven't seen anything that great

So where are these great torrent sites?

THANKS

[meyou123]

Some of the best I know of are www.torrentleech.net and www.torrentbytes.net (Good luck with the last one though, they won't let anyone else in) You only get some stupid "bye" message if you try to register now. Also www.bitmetv.org is the best for TV torrents.

That is why I joined newsgroups in the first place, I don't have to "beg" to get an invite to private site. I also get my speed maxed out and my searches are decent, but if they do not have what I want, I simply post a request on a group and I usually have it filled the next day or two.

[DasFox]

My bad found this:

http://www.zeropaid.com/links/bittorrent?id=2

Now if I can just figure out how to get some invites to some of the better places, sheesh :icon_shak

Yeah what's with this stupid invite crap anyways, errrr :icon_scra

THANKS

[SanDiegoKid]

Most of the new torrents I see on the better invite torrent sites are also available on the newsgroups. This is more prominent in the "scene" category, as it were.

I prefer downloading from newsgroups for the speed, as I can max out my 8Mb/s connection consistently and get an entire divx flick in around twelve minutes... a DVD in about an hour and fifteen minutes.

I don't have an enormous amount of disposable income, but a 1 year subscription to Newsleecher's SuperSearch service allows me to disregard .nzb sites, and the $15 to $25 monthly fee for a good UseNet account pays for itself within a day.

I do, however, understand why some would be put off by paying for UseNet access. It does at a certain level undermine the point of file sharing.

Also... no one's getting letters from their ISP about a movie they downloaded from UseNet. Bit Torrent? Well, that's another story.

A grat way to get yourself a huge ratio boost on exclusive torrent sites is to grab the release form usenet and use them to seed a torrent you didn't even have to leech. This, of course, negates the security and anonymity factor.

I have noticed that GigaNews now offers encrypted access... so... my knowledge about downloading in safety may be outdated... or it might just be a solution looking for a problem type situation.

[DasFox]

Well hey if I knew of a great torrent site, that you didn't need a stupid invite for then maybe I'd get into using torrents more.

For the most part it seems to be a pain in the ass surfing through all the torrent sites to look for something, and I'm not talking about looking for mp3s either.

Seems like you spend most of your time looking, and wasting trying to find...

[DwarfBaby]

Saying your ISP Usenet server sucks therefore Usenet sucks, is like saying the Internet sucks because your AOL Dial-up account sucks. Anyone can get Giganews even if your ISP has no server at all.

I use both bittorent and Usenet. Usenet "is" vastly superior period. If you don't want to pay a $15 for a decent server that's fine but for me I well never go back P2P. It just isn't worth my time and don't have any patience for failed downloads or waiting for a download that dropped to 10kbs for whatever reason.

[cjules13]

Well hey if I knew of a great torrent site, that you didn't need a stupid invite for then maybe I'd get into using torrents more.

For the most part it seems to be a pain in the ass surfing through all the torrent sites to look for something, and I'm not talking about looking for mp3s either.

Seems like you spend most of your time looking, and wasting trying to find...

I can see why you can get frustrated fast. I would argue that ALL public torrents sites, including thepiratebay and other popular ones, suck in comparison to private sites.

Speed and retention are insane, with a couple of accounts you can cover everything leaving very few holes.

ScT, torrentbytes, uk-t, torrentleech, filelist, pisexy can all be considered in the elite IMO for movies and 0-day.

OiNK absolutely rules the universe for music.

BitMeTV rules the universe of TV.

HDBits is up there for hi-def content of all sorts.



Maybe I can scrape up a few invites for you if you're interested, but as long as you're happy paying for newsgroups then maybe you're set and don't even need to go there.

To each his own, each as it's own advantages, but for now I'm absolutely smitten with torrents on the above sites.

[DasFox]

cjules13, thanks don't get me wrong I'm not down on torrents, but like you said it the public stuff is what sucks that most people are stuck with.

Sure I'd love to be able to have access to some of these nice torrent sites, so if you can snag me some invites that would be great.

THANKS

[DasFox]

Ok guys I went back an re edited the post so that it appears to have no bashing in it whatever, and looks more
professional for people to look at and is basically a tutorial now. :icon_sunn

[mfgbypooter]

Being a usenet junkie since 98, is why I don't use torrents, because I have no private invites to share in order to even get started.

What little bit I've used bt just makes me think it sucks.

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[RACKnRAIL]

Being a usenet junkie since 98, is why I don't use torrents, because I have no private invites to share in order to even get started.

What little bit I've used bt just makes me think it sucks.

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since 98, eh? So at $14 p/m, just in simple math, that means you've paid almost $1200 for your collection of whatever it is that grabs pooter, since 1998? Seriously?

I have only ever paid my monthly ISP fee and have always found what I wanted. I love testing software mostly, and my music library extensive...and movie collection ain't too bad either.

Without using bt much, I guess I could see how you'd say that. However, I absolutely love it. I remember you saying you grabbed "NG" by good ole Rod Serling recently, which made me remember it, of course, so I looked to bt with success. Thanks for reminding me, cause i loved that show,

[mfgbypooter]

I never said I have been paying for usenet access all these years.

Even if I had paid 1200 dollars for what I have today it would be a bargain.

I have downloaded 1000's of lossless albums over the years and over 1000 movie titles from usenet, with all of those being either 4gig or dual layer DVD's.

And some of those titles are multiple DVD's, like the twilight zone complete collection which amasses 45 DVD's alone.

As for torrents I did download NG using BT and it took 2 and a half days to get it which in my experience is an absurd length of time to download a couple of DVD's.

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[DwarfBaby]

since 98, eh? So at $14 p/m, just in simple math, that means you've paid almost $1200 for your collection of whatever it is that grabs pooter, since 1998? Seriously?

I have only ever paid my monthly ISP fee and have always found what I wanted. I love testing software mostly, and my music library extensive...and movie collection ain't too bad either.

Without using bt much, I guess I could see how you'd say that. However, I absolutely love it. I remember you saying you grabbed "NG" by good ole Rod Serling recently, which made me remember it, of course, so I looked to bt with success. Thanks for reminding me, cause i loved that show,

$1200 over 9 years. How much do spend on coffee or Pepsi. In 9 years I bet it approaches $10,000 and if you don't believe me just do the math. Pepsi $0.50, simple Z-eleven coffee $1.29, starbucks $3.50 X 9 years (3285 days). Good Usenet is 50 cents a day. Tell that to Sally Struthers.

[RACKnRAIL]

$1200 over 9 years. How much do spend on coffee or Pepsi. In 9 years I bet it approaches $10,000 and if you don't believe me just do the math. Pepsi $0.50, simple Z-eleven coffee $1.29, starbucks $3.50 X 9 years (3285 days). Good Usenet is 50 cents a day. Tell that to Sally Struthers.

Look, I'm not knocking usenet in the least. I'm am sure it's a great service. However, if I have to wait 3 days for the same 4.5 gig file, I don't mind. What I spend on bumwad adds up too at $ .99 cents a roll X 9 years = sally struthers has a huge ass to wipe.

[DwarfBaby]

Look, I'm not knocking usenet in the least. I'm am sure it's a great service. However, if I have to wait 3 days for the same 4.5 gig file, I don't mind. What I spend on bumwad adds up too at $ .99 cents a roll X 9 years = sally struthers has a huge ass to wipe.

Alright I understand. But while waiting 3 days for that same file, I downloaded 30 additional 4.5 DVD's and for good measure 30 lossless albums all before you get your one file. I'm not joking either and I'll show you the math if you wish.

I'm not saying I have no use for bittorent. It's just getting harder to find an excuse to use at all.

[mfgbypooter]

30 dvds and 30 lossless albums for one dollar fifty cents.

sign me up.

I'd comment further but I need to burn a dvd I just downloaded from usenet.


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[thepuzzler]

I'm with R&R on this one, and stand by the principle that $0 x 9 years = $0

The same content is available at the same speed at the same time for free.

[mfgbypooter]

lmao.

wrong.

I was maxing my connection and had better selection and quality of files back when others thought napster was the shit.

all without worrying about dropped downloads or disconnects.

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[DwarfBaby]

30 dvds and 30 lossless albums for one dollar fifty cents.

sign me up.

I'd comment further but I need to burn a dvd I just downloaded from usenet.


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Yes, obviously burning requires time too as a fellow Newsgroup user I'm sure you have 20-30 DVD's you just haven’t gotten around to burning as well and you continue to try to find space on your HD to stuff just one more movie/porno/screener. Such is the life of too much information.


I'm with R&R on this one, and stand by the principle that $0 x 9 years = $0

The same content is available at the same speed at the same time for free.

The same content may be available, but if you state at the same speed at the same time you are only fooling yourself. 0-day releases are also a hidden golden mine of Newsgroups. Why wait for a seed to propagate when you can have right away.

[mfgbypooter]

Yes, obviously burning requires time too as a fellow Newsgroup user I'm sure you have 20-30 DVD's you just haven’t gotten around to burning as well and you continue to try to find space on your HD to stuff just one more movie/porno/screener. Such is the life of too much information.Actually I just opened a new 50 pack earlier and have been burning all evening. The last one was a replica of the last kiss.

Are you a monty python fan?

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[thepuzzler]

I was maxing my connection and had better selection and quality of files back when others thought napster was the shit.

all without worrying about dropped downloads or disconnects. Maybe it was comparable better then, but this is now. Downloads now automatically resume when a connection drops and BT has its own hash checking protocal which negates the need for split volumes and missing / corrupt rars.


I agree that files usually turn up on usenet first, but they trickle down to BT the same day at best, next day at worse.


The same content may be available, but if you state at the same speed at the same time you are only fooling yourself. 0-day releases are also a hidden golden mine of Newsgroups. Why wait for a seed to propagate when you can have right away. Seriously I can max out to 830kbs on a half-decent seeded torrent from a private site.

At the end of the day, what works well for some might not work as well for others. I've tried both and know which I prefer.

[DwarfBaby]

Seriously I can max out to 830kbs on a half-decent seeded torrent from a private site.




Seriously, I max out my 8 meg Comcast connection. I max it out the "exact" second I click on the NZB file (Torrent file only better) and it stays maxed out until completion, with no hick-ups, no slow-downs, no lost seeds, no searching for seeds, no fakes, or none of that crap. I also spend 0-time dealing with private sites or invites. This is time better spent standing on my head or doing jumping jacks, or watching porn your still looking for, while I'm planning to take over the world.

And by the way Monty Python is God. And I think your referring to the exploding dinner guest skit. Or Sega’s rip off “One more bonus round”.

[DwarfBaby]

By the way it doesn't matter if the seeds half decent, half a bubble off, or half a screw loose. Usenet has no seeds. I still get 8 megs instantly, completely, and it will never fall bellow that speed unless the Sun suddenly explodes at which case I'll have about 7 minutes to download all I can before the world comes to an end.

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[DasFox]

I'm not sure how insane we can get around here, but let's please try and keep it nice. I'd hate to hear that this posted was closed. ;)

Anyhow just a cap on what everyone is saying, just REMEMBER ----> "Time Is Money"

So either way you look at it, you're paying for it, either in time, or money.

Ok PLEASE don't flame up the place to much, LOL :icon_sunn

[DwarfBaby]

I'm not sure how insane we can get around here, but let's please try and keep it nice. I'd hate to hear that this posted was closed. ;)

Anyhow just a cap on what everyone is saying, just REMEMBER ----> "Time Is Money"

So either way you look at it, you're paying for it, either in time, or money.

Ok PLEASE don't flame up the place to much, LOL :)

No ones flaming. This is a Usenet forum, the first one we've been privileged to have, (very much thanks to you). Even the opposition hasn't personally attacked anyone personally. They only attacked the format which they simply don't understand, for if they did they certainly wouldn’t attack it.

[Krell]

I'm not sure how insane we can get around here, but let's please try and keep it nice. I'd hate to hear that this posted was closed. ;)

If you had participated a little more than 43 posts since 2002 you might be able to answer your own question.

This is one of the nicest thread I've ever seen that didnt involve some new female member.


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[Tic3]

I'm sure you have 20-30 DVD's you just haven’t gotten around to burning as well and you continue to try to find space on your HD to stuff just one more movie/porno/screener. .

OMG...I thought I was just lazy. This is a serious problem for me. I've upgraded my hard drive three times this year because of this.

I keep telling myself, "I'll burn these after I finish this one last download..." That 'one last download' keeps turning into another...and another...and another.

Glad to know it isn't just me.

Tic3

[cjules13]

I'm with R&R on this one, and stand by the principle that $0 x 9 years = $0

The same content is available at the same speed at the same time for free.

I'm with you too on this one.

And he's not wrong, if you're in the right place as obviously at least myself, R&R, and thepuzzler are... and Dwarf, pooter, and DasFox are not, the above quote is 100% true.

You guys can pay, we'll get it for free.

But I understand this may be the point of this thread - if you are not in the right place, i.e. missed the limo pickup, you can take the bus for a small fee and get to the same place.

[RACKnRAIL]

I'm with you too on this one.

And he's not wrong, if you're in the right place as obviously at least myself, R&R, and thepuzzler are... and Dwarf, pooter, and DasFox are not, the above quote is 100% true.

You guys can pay, we'll get it for free.

But I understand this may be the point of this thread - if you are not in the right place, i.e. missed the limo pickup, you can take the bus for a small fee and get to the same place.

Time is money they say, so while my torrents are downloading I have two other computers to do music recording and editing and whatever, and it's not like my computer can't do other things while it downloads torrents. It's just that I have 3 different computers for different activities. One is a laptop. However, the point is, I don't sit there and watch the proverbial paint dry while the file d/l.

As I have already mentioned, I am not in an all fired hurry to get the latest release. I can wait 2 days, if that, before it surfaces. I do find what I want though. Isn't that the point?

Anyhow, I am not out to bash what works for you. I am only comparing methods and trying to do it politely. Isn't that what this forum is all about? I have many friends that use newsgroups and love it, so power to them. We are all trying to accomplish the same thing. It's just that I am a bit more frugal about it.

[DasFox]

I can see why you can get frustrated fast. I would argue that ALL public torrents sites, including thepiratebay and other popular ones, suck in comparison to private sites.

Speed and retention are insane, with a couple of accounts you can cover everything leaving very few holes.

ScT, torrentbytes, uk-t, torrentleech, filelist, pisexy can all be considered in the elite IMO for movies and 0-day.

OiNK absolutely rules the universe for music.

BitMeTV rules the universe of TV.

HDBits is up there for hi-def content of all sorts.



Maybe I can scrape up a few invites for you if you're interested, but as long as you're happy paying for newsgroups then maybe you're set and don't even need to go there.

To each his own, each as it's own advantages, but for now I'm absolutely smitten with torrents on the above sites.


Well my man I'm still waiting? Did you scrape up any?

THANKS

P.S. Sure I'd love to get it all free! :icon_sunn

[DasFox]

No ones flaming. This is a Usenet forum, the first one we've been privileged to have, (very much thanks to you). Even the opposition hasn't personally attacked anyone personally. They only attacked the format which they simply don't understand, for if they did they certainly wouldn’t attack it.

Wow thanks to me? LOL

Gee I feel special, hehe

Oh well glad I got this going for everyone.

THANKS :icon_sunn

[mfgbypooter]

Well my man I'm still waiting? Did you scrape up any?

THANKS

P.S. Sure I'd love to get it all free! :)Yeah all this talk about private sites with max speed torrents and file selection that rivals usenet and nary an invite to be found.

sheesh.

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[DasFox]

Yeah all this talk about private sites with max speed torrents and file selection that rivals usenet and nary an invite to be found.

sheesh.

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Yes I'd love to see it. :icon_scra

Boy but let's fact it, you don't know anyone to get an invite, then you have nothing to trade for, this certainly sounds like it can be quite a bit of begging to do to get your first one.

This sounds like some serious effort getting at first when you don't know anyone. :icon_scra

[thepuzzler]

2006-12-12 - INVITATIONS DEACTIVATED TILL END OF WEEKEND

Invitations will remain disabled for some days (ca. 3-5) due to the extreme high load they were causing to our servers. We ordered new servers that should be set-up and deployed within 3-5 days. As soon as the life tests are successful, we will then re-enable the invite system. Please inform your invitee accordingly.

If you're still stuck after this weekend DasFox, fire me a PM and I'll get you started.

Edit: MFG and Dwarfbaby you too if you're interested.

[meyou123]

That is the problem with private BT sites. You have to BEG to get an invite and even then, SOME private sites like torrentbytes do not offer invites, so you cannot get into them period!

Newsgroups is MUCH less hassle for me.

[mfgbypooter]

I do have demonoid and from what I've found on it I know it sucks.

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[cjules13]

demonoid shouldn't even be considered a private site. Even tho you need an account, it's got public-like speeds and quality of selection.

[meyou123]

Yeah, Demonoid sucks. But at least you can get on there....much more than you can say for other BT sites that just leave you out in the cold.

[zarquon]

All this fanboy silliness is quite amusing. I am a great believer in Usenet. I am also a great believer in Private sites. I use my isp's server to get what i can. The rest i take from private torrent sites (sct, oink, torrentleech mostly). I Max out my 10 meg connection on almost all torrents.

The best of both worlds and best of all, i pay squat. (apart from blank dvds)

[meyou123]

All this fanboy silliness is quite amusing. I am a great believer in Usenet. I am also a great believer in Private sites. I use my isp's server to get what i can. The rest i take from private torrent sites (sct, oink, torrentleech mostly). I Max out my 10 meg connection on almost all torrents.

The best of both worlds and best of all, i pay squat. (apart from blank dvds)


Not EVERYONE has a decent ISP news server. I would use mine if it didn't suck so badly. That is why I have Giganews in the first place and gladly pay for it! And I am not a fanboy of either one. Though why people want to bring up talking about Private Bit Torrent sites on a newsgroup forum is beyond me. I also use both, but I am not gonna beg for an invite just to get onto a BT site. That was my point.

[zarquon]

Not EVERYONE has a decent ISP news server. I would use mine if it didn't suck so badly. That is why I have Giganews in the first place and gladly pay for it! And I am not a fanboy of either one. Though why people want to bring up talking about Private Bit Torrent sites on a newsgroup forum is beyond me. I also use both, but I am not gonna beg for an invite just to get onto a BT site. That was my point.

Point duelly noted.

The point of a forum is to discuss topics. This topic is concerning whether or not Usenet offers the best access to warez. To form a comprehensive argument for this one would need to discuss the pros and cons of alternative options, i.e. BT, hence why its being discussed.


The same applies to all the bt threads where Usenet is constantly promoted as a more meritable option.

[RACKnRAIL]

The idea of invites is that we don't invite the authorities to upload and sue us. If they were that easy to get....well? It may not be a perfect system or even 100% safe, but it's still free.

I have tried begging for a pisexy invite for ages with no luck. I feel the frustration of others, but I do have a few private trackers, that do in fact, have awesome speeds and content. However, I do not have invites, as I am not a power user + or whatever you have to do and/or donate money, which I won't do either.

I have a boat and a harley that suck up all my extra money...oh yes, and my annual trip to mexico. We all have our priorities.

[DasFox]

Yes this private Torrent thing seems to really suck, and the begging part, forget it.

Anyhow speaking of all that I'm still waiting for Mr. cjules13 to cough up some torrent sites for me to check out then I can give a better review of that compared to Usenet.

Oh Mr. cjules13 did you forget? :icon_pale

THANKS

[meyou123]

Point duelly noted.

The point of a forum is to discuss topics. This topic is concerning whether or not Usenet offers the best access to warez. To form a comprehensive argument for this one would need to discuss the pros and cons of alternative options, i.e. BT, hence why its being discussed.


The same applies to all the bt threads where Usenet is constantly promoted as a more meritable option.

Point also noted, but I also say that this flaming of newsgroups just because you pay for access to a server is also silly! You do NOT pay for files with a news server , you PAY for access to it's server like you pay for access to an ISP that gets you online.

Hence, the wondering WHY it is constantly being compared to"paying" for files when it is not.

[RACKnRAIL]

Point also noted, but I also say that this flaming of newsgroups just because you pay for access to a server is also silly! You do NOT pay for files with a news server , you PAY for access to it's server like you pay for access to an ISP that gets you online.

Hence, the wondering WHY it is constantly being compared to"paying" for files when it is not.

I disagree. I don't believe people are flaming newsgroups here, at least I'm not. I believe when someone is getting flamed, or feels they're getting flamed, it's because they're not speaking intelligently. It is more like people feel their points are not taken and hence start talking stupid or fanboy syndrome cuts in and/or both.

No one is knocking you for using newsgoups. How you spend your cash is your prerogative.

[meyou123]

I disagree. I don't believe people are flaming newsgroups here, at least I'm not. I believe when someone is getting flamed, or feels they're getting flamed, it's because they're not speaking intelligently. It is more like people feel their points are not taken and hence start talking stupid or fanboy syndrome cuts in and/or both.

No one is knocking you for using newsgoups. How you spend your cash is your prerogative.


Sorry, but I simply disagree. From the start of this thread, it seems as though there are two camps, those that don't even want to pay for anything versus those that don't mind it.

I don't really mind that, but it just seems that the camp that doesn't want to pay for anything, seems to want to say that paid news servers are somehow "paying for files" when clearly they are not.

And keep in mind we are NOT talking only about me in this thread.

Your ISP does not monitor your activities even though they could if they got a C+D letter. But as it is, they simply connect you to the internet...same goes for a paid news server...they simply connect you to usenet. Where you go is up to you. That is hardly paying for files.

[DwarfBaby]

I very much agree with meyou, I simply don't understand the opposition to Newsgroups. It was a popular forum since the early 1980's, greatly relied upon by the Universities, Corporations, and News affiliates. It is still a major medium of the exchange of knowledge for those very same organizations. It's supporters count the likes Microsoft, IBM, Intel, Oracle, Sun etc..... Given that most of it's non-binary groups have had those groups information archived, it allows for the personal use of massive amounts of information. Googles own Newsgroup Indexing service is an extraordinary tool for research.

It also makes for useful tech support for products outdated and no longer supported by the Original Manufacturer or anyone else. From computers to typewriters to carpentry products to carpet products.

All this a more. Plus it kicks the shit out any P2P service I've ever used and Ive used them all. That said, I still miss audiogalaxy.


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[Mels_Smileys45]

Its great to have a forum to argue about all this! You like Usenet, great. Next topic please.

[DasFox]

Its great to have a forum to argue about all this! You like Usenet, great. Next topic please.

Well we weren't suppose to be here arguing about it.

Instead just talking about and learning it, sharing it etc...

AND it was ACTUALLY suppose to be more of a tutorial for the newbies but I started it out wrong with my words, looking more like a bit of a flame, so I went back and changed that to take out those comments which I should of never made in the first place.

:icon_shak

[DasFox]

If you're still stuck after this weekend DasFox, fire me a PM and I'll get you started.

Edit: MFG and Dwarfbaby you too if you're interested.

Well considering I've been playing with torrents since they hit the scene years back, and I haven't gotten much further then I am now, I don't really see one more week changing anything, LOL

So you might as well count me in.

The thing is, you can only handle diggin and looking for so long and I gave up long ago and just settled for Usenet.

But hey I'm willing to try and have a go or at least have something on the back burner for a backup.

THANKS :icon_salu

[thepuzzler]

Cool I'll dig out some more invites then. Pm me your email address and I'll have it sorted by the end of the day. Thanks.

[DasFox]

Cool I'll dig out some more invites then. Pm me your email address and I'll have it sorted by the end of the day. Thanks.

THANKS man :icon_sant

[meyou123]

DasFox....let us know how you think private BT sites compare to newsgroups when you get the invites and try them out. To me, there simply IS no comparison! Newsgroups flat out rule!

[thepuzzler]

To all those waiting on invites from me I should have some more today or tomorrow. I've had to send out a couple more than I expected.

[DasFox]

Well I got an invite I don't know who it was from, it was for torrent-damage. But it wasn't good, took me like 8 hours to download at an average of around 200K that would of taken me 2 hours on Usenet, so it was a lot of time wasted really.

torrent-damage doesn't seem all that great.

[RACKnRAIL]

Well I got an invite I don't know who it was from, it was for torrent-damage. But it wasn't good, took me like 8 hours to download at an average of around 200K that would of taken me 2 hours on Usenet, so it was a lot of time wasted really.

torrent-damage doesn't seem all that great.

You probably got your invite from the same person that gave me one for another PT. My first downloads were two movies at over 400 kb/s. You make it sound so painful just to back up your lame ass story of how much better "we" usenet users are. Now I am certain you are nothing more than a whiner fanboy.

This is not directed at usenet users personally; only one. I do not deny what works for everyone else, but if you're going to shit on an award winning program that does in fact work very well for others, you had better do more homework. I'm sure that's why Braum Cohen is a millionaire now...because Bittorrent suck ass.

[DasFox]

You probably got your invite from the same person that gave me one for another PT. My first downloads were two movies at over 400 kb/s. You make it sound so painful just to back up your lame ass story of how much better "we" usenet users are. Now I am certain you are nothing more than a whiner fanboy.

This is not directed at usenet users personally; only one. I do not deny what works for everyone else, but if you're going to shit on an award winning program that does in fact work very well for others, you had better do more homework. I'm sure that's why Braum Cohen is a millionaire now...because Bittorrent suck ass.

Now you're flaming and getting rude and I don't appreciate it so COOL it!

I've done my homework many years worth, I've used Torrents since the day it came out. It doesn't take an expert in the field to understand you are pulling files off of other peoples computers when compared to a server for Usenet. Given that factor a Usenet server will always give you faster speed, ALWAYS, there is no doubt of that, this is a 100% absolute, torrent and p2p network speeds are not.

When it comes to P2P, or torrents, speeds will vary. No one here is a fanboy I just use what works, and I've tried using torrents, and p2p networks for all these years, and unless you are in a tight private network, then being stuck out in the public domain doesn't come close to what Usenet can give you.

So you're honestly going to tell me when compared to a Usenet server, torrents and p2p networks are going to deliver as consistent the same speeds?

Of course not, there is no argument here.

Saying Braum Cohen is a millionaire now...because BitTorrents sucks ass, doesn't say anything, crap products come along all the time and make people millions, because of many factors.

Popularity, the rave at the time, and that is what torrents once where the RAVE. If you honestly think torrents are new age technolgy, bleeding edge, the best way to do something as it suggests then you need to rethink this technology, in fact this is a pretty outdated system for sharing files.

You're starting to sound like you're 18 years old.

And I guess you'd say Windows is the best OS in the world too, I suppose Apple and Unix/Linux systems suck because they might not have as big of a market, so that makes Windows better?

Your talking about POPULARITY, and you're talking to a middle age business man get your facts straight.

I don't really care what anyone uses and I'm not here to pimp anything . If you READ my post I said to use all three if you want, Usenet, p2p and torrents, use what works for you.

No one here is down on any system, but don't tell me you can get better more consistent speeds using a peer network, when compared to going straight to a server, you can't it's impossible, and that is REALLY the POINT of this post.

Now please stop being a TROLL I don't appreciate it, act like your age, have some respect because I'm not here to piss on anyone and I don't piss and troll on others so please don't do so to me.

I would show you some respect so show me some, you're not talking to some kiddie noob here.

ALOHA

[DasFox]

And one last bit of information. Our millionaires in this industry became this way due to the P2P internet media madness that was everywhere advertising this new craze.

Within time Kazaa soon became a household word across the world, now take those same people and say the word Usenet. The response would of been, and still is to this day for most part when compared to P2P, what is Usenet?

P2P networking hit like a whirlwind out there going mad in ads, and applications. Napster was the name before Kazaa hit the scene and due in part to the popularity of Napster the world of P2P and torrents took off.

This was all about ------> POPULARITY

And something that is popular isn't necessarily better.

And so today the world of P2P and torrents exists, because the majority of these users doesn't even know Usenet exists, why because it has never taken a stance at being promoted the way peer networking has.

In fact Usenet has never been popularized into the mainstream, it's always been something in the shadows that the geeks knew about, and used since it started. It has remained as you might put it, the Linux of the file sharing world, while P2P and Torrents are the Windows version, and that is all there really is to this story of riches, just the luck of the draw, and nothing to do with who is better, but just a story of who became more popular.

ALOHA

[cjules13]

yawn........

[mfgbypooter]

After doing some searching I decided to download a new torrent of a "rare" oop CD from one of the "elite" invitation torrent sites and it took a little over 2 hours to complete.

Once finished I opened the file up and the nfo said it was ripped from an Epic CD which is strange because the only CD ever released for it was by Sony, and the eac log that came with it couldn't verify it as an official pressing, actually it looked more like a rip from a CDR.

When played the quality sounded like it was from a vinyl rip with a lot of crackling and pops, while the vinyl rip I already have of the same album that I had downloaded over 2 years ago from Usenet is flawless.

My initial result for quality and speed of a torrent from an "elite" torrent site is less than what I had hoped but I am going to test some more before passing final judgment.

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[thepuzzler]

Please do. It's free leech week after all!

If you wanna give up your account mfg let me know I'll pass it on.

Festive greetings everyone!

[DasFox]

yawn........

No No you don't get out of this so easy just sitting there yawning. You said 11 days ago you'd scrape up some torrent invites, and still nothing. So are you going to please cough up some so we can test the big and the bad?

PLUS in another post on the 18th 6 days ago you said:

Ok pooter and DasFox, I'm in the Christmas mood, PM me your emails and I'll send some out too.

What's up dude you keep ditching me? LOL

All you have to do, is just show us, and we'll shut up, but so far I've seen nothing. :icon_scra

Hey make a believer out of us, I'm waiting? :icon_boun

P.S. I'm not pissed or anything, so don't be either. THANKS.

[DasFox]

thepuzzler did you email me an invite? I got a Torrent-Damage invite from someone, but it's not that great, bad seeds all over the place. :icon_pale

[mfgbypooter]

Please do. It's free leech week after all!

If you wanna give up your account mfg let me know I'll pass it on.

Festive greetings everyone!I am looking for a file with a high share ratio so I can test speed but can't find one. Is there a way to search by seeders/leachers?

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[cjules13]

No No you don't get out of this so easy just sitting there yawning. You said 11 days ago you'd scrape up some torrent invites, and still nothing. So are you going to please cough up some so we can test the big and the bad?

PLUS in another post on the 18th 6 days ago you said:

Ok pooter and DasFox, I'm in the Christmas mood, PM me your emails and I'll send some out too.

What's up dude you keep ditching me? LOL

All you have to do, is just show us, and we'll shut up, but so far I've seen nothing. :icon_scra

Hey make a believer out of us, I'm waiting? :icon_boun

P.S. I'm not pissed or anything, so don't be either. THANKS.

God damn it's time for you to stfu already. I sent the torrent-damage invite to you and I really glad I wasted it on your un-appreciative ass already. I'm really glad I didn't give you a good one at this point because like R&R said, you are a fanboy whose mind is already made up to diss torrents just like you said at the beginning of this thread.

I told you in my PM it was a basic site to get you started, seeing as how <whine> "you don't know anybody so how am I gonna get a private invite then... waahh" </whine>

I finally cave and decide to get you started, and this is the thanks i get? Tool. You claim you're not a noob and you've "been doing this for years" but I beginning to think someone whose never even heard of a private torrent site let alone used one IS a noob, reagrdless of your usenet experience. You probably didn't even forward your ports properly or tried to limit your upload which is why you got crappy speeds. Either that or you jumped on something 8 months old.

Just keep requesting and paying for your files. I hope thepuzzler didn't waste any invites on you either.

[DasFox]

cjules13 yo man chill no one said they don't appreciate anything, no need to get bent out of shape.

Ok sorry I wasn't aware you sent the torrent-damage invite, THANK YOU.

Anyhow yes I know how to forward ports, and deal with the preferences, etc...

As I mentioned before I said I've been playing with torrents since they came out.

If you sent me a PM I didn't get it. If I did I would of replied to it, all I got was an email and I sent back a reply to the email address asking who it was and thanking them for the invite.

I would of GREATLY appreciated you reading my post when I said I wasn't upset or anything. All I was doing was asking what's up because you where yawning and I never heard a word from you, so I thought you where like blowing this off and I never knew who this was from.

Anyhow no one has ever dissed torrents, I've only said before when compared to Usenet you can't get the consistency in speeds, because you're not getting files off a server.

[DasFox]

Well thanks again to whoever sent me another Torrent Invite.

Believe me when I say this, I just don't see any speeds with it, when compared to using Usenet, I mean how could it possibly be as fast? It can't.

Anyhow I guess the people that use torrents don't mind downloading at 500K-600K, but I do. With a 8MB line I want to download no slower then 800K and I have never seen these speeds ever on torrents. Actually I really want to download as fast as my Usenet connection which does averages 925K - 950K. The way the torrent network works I don't believe you'll achieve these speeds.

This is not a flame, troll or piss on torrents. I'm not down on torrents, p2p or anyone of them, I really enjoy the fact that these applications are all here, I'm SIMPLY stating, the speeds for torrent and p2p just don't exist consistently as fast as on Usenet, that is all. I'm not here crying about anything, I'm here stating my experience since torrents came on the scene since the very beginning, and I don't see any better speeds now, then I did back then.

I believe they can have their purpose as a backup, or for people who simply don't have the money to afford Usenet, but then if these same people can afford to have a Broad Band connection, then using torrents with these connections just doesn't make sense to take full advantage of them.

I'm just stating the facts is all. I am VERY GRATEFUL for the invites, but the speeds are just not there.

I'd honestly love to hear someone step forward and tell me with their 6MB-8MB line they download all the time, every time with these speeds on torrents. That's all I was asking before, and I personally thought with the private torrents that possibly something was happening with them to ensure better seeding to make sure people always had max speeds. But honestly they are torrents like any other torrents, they have to be seeded to work, and now matter how many people seed you can never have consistency with this method to always ensure max speeds, and I wish you could.

Summed up, I just thought some of these private sites had a plan in place to deal with this seeding to ensure better consistency with better speeds, but I guess this is something you just can't control in this type of environment. At least at this point in time no one has come up with a plan for it.

The person who figures that out is going to be even richer then Bram Cohen. :icon_salu

Thanks

[RACKnRAIL]

This is not a flame, troll or piss on torrents.

The fuck it isn't! I think pooter was sincere, but you Mr. DasFox, I simply don't believe you are grateful for your invitations to private sites. This is nothing more than a pissing contest to you. There are many other usenet people here at ZP that don't have to resort to your big mouth tactics to download their files. I have already stated that I have nothing against usenet users and their means of acquiring files. You, on the other hand, have proven yourself to be, lets just say, what I already previously and adequately stated. I would also trust pooter's opinion over yours, regardless of usenets efficiency over bittorrent. I trust him to at least give objective non-fanboy based opinion.

[DwarfBaby]

I got a torrentleech invite and I signed up. I'm not sure if that's elite or not but I've been sincerely trying to get the thing working. It seems they were having problems with logging into their site but appears they finally worked out their Issues.

Anyways I do use bittorent sometimes and I appreciate the invite.

By the way how does torrentleech compare to the other private sites, just out of curiosity?

[cjules13]

Believe me when I say this, I just don't see any speeds with it, when compared to using Usenet, I mean how could it possibly be as fast? It can't.

Anyhow I guess the people that use torrents don't mind downloading at 500K-600K, but I do. With a 8MB line I want to download no slower then 800K and I have never seen these speeds ever on torrents. Actually I really want to download as fast as my Usenet connection which does averages 925K - 950K. The way the torrent network works I don't believe you'll achieve these speeds.


Nope, then you're doing it wrong.

I don't blame you though, with your limited experience. I could do a side by side challenge but I just don't give a crap enough to prove it to you.

[DasFox]

I said before that my wording wasn't the BEST when I made this post and I apologized for that and changed the wording around.

Since then you don't seem to want to accept an apology. I have stated many times this has nothing to do with pissing on anything. P2P, Torrents, Usenet, etc.. they're all cool, I have nothing against any of them, so can we FINALLY CLEAR the air over that matter?

This is just a post to compare and test things is all. I don't care what works, as long as it works, I'm simply going to use the best tool to get the job done that is all!

You are acting like a child, can't you READ something without being negative, or think that anyone writing isn't trying to be so also?

HONESTLY when you read this what frame of mind are you in, what's your ATTITUDE really like?

Personally I think you just have a bad attitude, and maybe you need to just try and READ something with a SMILE on your face and see how you interpret it.

I said thank you for the invites and I am very grateful for them, you SIR are just making assumptions.

Why don't you next time, try to be open minded and objective?

I'm not a kid, and I don't need to be a fanboy of anything and I'm not. If you can't believe me then fine, but stop telling me what I am when you are not correct at all.

Grow up act like your age if your a man learn to read things as a MAN and stop acting like everyone is out to get everyone and against everyone.

Learn to READ things in a POSITIVE frame of mind instead of a NEGATIVE one, which you seem to do, then MAYBE you'll see things differently, and notice there wasn't nothing degrading in my last comments at all!

[DasFox]

cjules13 I've been using torrents since they came out. My experience is far from being limited, or new at all to torrents.

If you've got slow seeders you're not going to be able to pull faster then they can give you.

The torrent network cannot download as fast, or as consistently as if you come direct from a server.

[DasFox]

HEY I'm just trying to have a discussion is all and anytime I try to bring up something, everyone has a fit.

NOW is that being mature?

NO, so why don't we put all the crap aside and start just having a discussion as I'm doing and LEARN something, I don't think that is to much to ask.

I'm trying to be genuine and honest about this. I have APOLOGIZED several times for my wording not being great and giving people the impression that I was trying to crap on this and I wasn't. But I guess you can't make a mistake and admit it and have people take you for your word. No instead everyone has to have a bad attitude and think I'm just jerking them around, and I'm not.

So can we PLEASE get past this KIDDIE BS CRAP?

I said it again and I'll say it over, I made a MISTAKE with the way I worded the post in the beginning it was not suppose to be a flame against torrents or p2p at all.

ALL this was suppose to do was help people see the differences was all.

Let me make this CLEAR ----> WHO GIVES A RATS ASS?

I don't care who uses what, use whatever you like, but if you really think I care about Usenet and all this CRAP you guys are HIGHLY mistaken.

So let's get over all this crap, I'd appreciate it.

[mfgbypooter]

I would also trust pooter's opinion over yours, regardless of usenets efficiency over bittorrent. I trust him to at least give objective non-fanboy based opinion.Thank you for the vote of confidence. I have been working on torrents but time has been at a premium lately so it will take a little longer to really weigh in.

However, something of note right off:

There's one big thing I can say in usenet's favor besides speed and reliability and that is the bust factor. With the nature of usenet being the way it is, you have a zero percent chance of getting busted downloading from usenet.

Torrents on the other hand you are visible to anyone who wants to look.

So for those who are like me, I prefer to pay 14.95 a month and be safe instead of having to pay a possible 5,000 dollar or more settlement with your name in the news to boot.

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[DwarfBaby]

Also good to note that when you upload(post) a file to Usenet, you only need do it once and on my news server it will stay there for 90 days. Anyone in the world can download it without me ever having to upload it again. 10,000 people can download your file without sapping any of your upload bandwidth after the initial post. This is a huge advantage for Usenet. Plus your news server is a trusted peer unlike P2P where anyone can start downloading from you including the RIAA and friends.

[mfgbypooter]

And to those who have shared invites I thank you.

I can see how you'd like to think private sites are more secure but with that BT trading thread I am not so sure.

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[DasFox]

Yes the SECURITY is a BIG ISSUE I forgot to mention. Thanks mfgbypooter and DwarfBaby for sharing that.

[DwarfBaby]

Alright, after a few days tinkering with private BT sites I'd say I'm actually rather impressed with the improvements over public sites at the same time there are still definite drawbacks.

The speed rather amazed me. Most files could max out my connection, although certainly not always, like Usenet does. The site also had very little lag time which is a big plus over Pirate Bay and the now defunct suprnova. However its organization and the way it searches could be greatly improved by looking at how Newzbin v3 handles files.

I can see the wait time penalty for not having a share ratio of 1.05 to be of particular annoyance. I will always download much more then I upload simply because my Downstream is 20x greater then my upstream and there is no way in hell I’m going to leave the client running for days on end without downloading anything.

The biggest downside I can see of private sites is the lack of files. Fewer Users = Fewer Files. Usenet simply has many more files then private sites. If you include music files by a factor of at least 10 to 1 and much higher still if you pull headers. This is because when an uploader turns of his computer or shuts down his client(reader) his files will still be shared for 90 days with or without his presence.

Public BT sites seem to have vastly larger amounts of torrents although at much lower speeds. In fact I use public sites from time to time for rare files that are not currently on Usenet. I don’t mind waiting a little longer for hard to find files when the alternative is not having the file at all.

All in all I’d say Private sites add a new element to BT. I’ll continue to use both Private and Public sites when the need arises. However, Usenet is simply better in just about every way. The cost of Giganews is about what I pay myself for 30 minutes of work all for a month free from headaches and hours of tinkering with BT sites. For all those who don’t want to pay for anything I’m sure you won’t understand but it is more then worth is to me.

[DasFox]

Just got a 960K download off of Usenet, a DVD in 1hr 22 mins. This is why I like Usenet, and that is all. -------> SPEED.

[thepuzzler]

I am looking for a file with a high share ratio so I can test speed but can't find one. Is there a way to search by seeders/leachers?

Soz for the late reply, been away doing xmassy thingys.

Yes there is a way to sort by snatches, seeders and leechers. When you perform a search you have a few columns to the right.

(Files Comments Added Size Snatches Seeders Leechers Upped by)

The snatches sign is donated by a "+" icon. I usually click this to sort my searches by most popular, or I click the up arrow to sort by the amount of seeders. Give it a while.

I usually click, "Browse, tick the categories I'm interested in" and search for either "v0" or FLAC and then sort by seeders / snatches.

@Dwarfbaby: thanks for giving it a decent go. I agree wait times do suck, especially for new users. My favorite music site has none of these. I think I can get you an account there if you like. I'll PM you either today or tomorrow. Cheers.

[mfgbypooter]

thanks puzzler.

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[cjules13]

960K download, a DVD in 1hr 22 mins. This is why I like Usenet, and that is all. -------> SPEED

Newsleecher Screenshot:

http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssxe5.jpg

wow you really are a noob. 1st you never heard of private BT sites until last month.
Next you post 3 consecutive posts in a row in your own thread.
Now you post screenshots of you illegally downloading copyrighted material.

You should at least edit the pic and blur out your filenames.

Shit.

[DwarfBaby]

It would be a good Idea to remove that link. I'm pretty sure that's against ZP policy and if it isn't, well it's still not a good Idea.

Edit: Just checking if the edit works

[DasFox]

wow you really are a noob. 1st you never heard of private BT sites until last month.
Next you post 3 consecutive posts in a row in your own thread.
Now you post screenshots of you illegally downloading copyrighted material.

You should at least edit the pic and blur out your filenames.

Shit.

You know what I've tried to be nice, now every time you get a chance you FLAME me.

I'm not a noob I never said anything about not knowing about Private Torrents. I told this forum many times I've been using torrents since the day they started, and since then I have been around many private invite sites, but many years back there was nothing exciting about them, and since then I have not been a member of any of them.

I just asked if I didn't know anyone to get an invite how I might get one since I no longer belonged to any.

Who cares if I post 3 consecutive posts in a row.

You know what if you can't keep trolling on me, so can you just please leave these posts alone.

I'm trying to be a gentleman about this, and all you do is keep pissing on this thread with your attitude.

THANKS

[DwarfBaby]

Alright, It's time calm down I think. You know I'm a Usenet junkie just like you but your bringing a lot hostility to these forums. Just try be less confrontational. Although to be honest I wish Cjules would go piss on someone else’s parade.

Bittorent “is” a useful network it’s that simple. Usenet is much better at just about everything then any P2P network including Bittorent but it costs money(which is the only reasonable downside). That is the bottom line and continuing to argue about seems pointless.

[Krell]

Alright, It's time calm down I think. You know I'm a Usenet junkie just like you but your bringing a lot hostility to these forums. Just try be less confrontational. Although to be honest I wish Cjules would go piss on someone else’s parade.

Bittorent “is” a useful network it’s that simple. Usenet is much better at just about everything then any P2P network including Bittorent but it costs money(which is the only reasonable downside). That is the bottom line and continuing to argue about seems pointless.


You know, at first I thought Dasfox was a fanboy. I watched the rapid succession postings, waited things out to see where the Usenet threads would go.

I also read their posts. All of them, ever. I also noted that he\she joined a long time ago.

With all the BT spam we've had recently, I see the need for some education regarding news groups. I certainly do not want the dreg of society polluting news groups, but what can you do after all?

All things considered, let's get some coffee and come back to the table with a friendlier dialogue. I mean, it's not like we're dealing with the ES5 idiots here.

Let the BT trade-whores wallow in that entrapment that is SO BLATENTLY A HUGE PROBLEM and let the rest of us move on with some experience and unity that we see so little of around here these days.


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[DasFox]

Like I said in the beginning when I made this post my choice of wording was really poor, YES it looked bad, that I was pissing on P2P, Torrents, and Zeropaid, and honestly I just typed away not really thinking about what I was saying.

Then I realized this looked bad, and yes I apologized, went back and edited it over.

I HONESTLY just wanted to point out the differences of Usenet and have a good discussion on this was all.

So I APOLOGIZE AGAIN, I'm SORRY, and I wasn't trying to be negative. I hope NOW we can have some trust here with my words that I'm TRYING to be sincere and move on.

I've been around Zeropaid when this site started and have had it bookmarked since, and have used just about every Usenet, P2P, and Torrent client since, and have been a big junkie fan of all them.

PLEASE let us move forward and keep things cool.

Oh I'm a guy, and I'm man enough to admit I made a MISTAKE, so are you all men and lady enough to let the past go and move forward?

Let's face it we all make mistakes in life, but people big enough learn to forgive and forget. Hey I never murdered anyone, LOL, so is it really that bad?

THANKS

[Krell]

Favor

Lets pretend that the only for of P2P available at all is using a news group.

Great.

You find a couple of well formed posts on the technology, clients, various How To's . . .

With a stopwatch in hand, what steps can you outline that get's a newsgroup virgin trading files in the least steps . . say . . in 30 minute of following directions?

You have 20 "Do this exactly as I say and STFU" steps to follow?

I see the need to get people on some common platform initially.

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[DwarfBaby]

What did you get laid or something? I've never seen you this nice to fanboys or flamers. And you made your point without making someone cry and without using the word fucktard.

[cjules13]

What did you get laid or something? I've never seen you this nice to fanboys or flamers. And you made your point without making someone cry and without using the word fucktard.

Yeah Krell, for shizzle ma nizzle, and it isn't even a New Year's resolution yet. :icon_king

Ok DasFox, it's cool, and I'll leave it alone. But seriously, you just needed a little more etiquette and research before walking in here claiming your balls were as big as oranges.

[DasFox]

Yeah Krell, for shizzle ma nizzle, and it isn't even a New Year's resolution yet. :icon_king

Ok DasFox, it's cool, and I'll leave it alone. But seriously, you just needed a little more etiquette and research before walking in here claiming your balls were as big as oranges.

Cool cjules13, THANKS.

Didn't mean to have them orange sized, actually I was thinking coconuts, LOL, just kidding. :icon_joke

Anyhow yes my tact was awful, and again I apologize for that, I will most certainly show greater etiquette.

As far as research, now I say this in ALL humility. Again as I mentioned before, I've used torrents since they started, and the same for when P2P networks began. I think my research is overly extensive for all these years.

Anyhow enough said all is done, all is cool.

cjules13 I hope you had a GREAT Christmas, and have a GREAT Happy New Year! :icon_sunn

[meyou123]

Yeah torrents are OK, I am upping one right now though to a private site and it is gonna take FOREVER just to get my ratio up anywhere NEAR 1.0, because people have mostly stopped downloading it from me. That is the only downside I can see of torrents, it just takes too long to get your ratio up on private sites where it counts.

[cjules13]

I guess this is how I see it:

BitTorrent:
Pros:
Free
Fast on proper trackers
Greater sense of community on proper trackers
Almost unlimited selection
Greater retention time

Cons:
Security
Ratios (unless you're Johnny on the spot like me:)


Newsgroups:
Pros:
Consistently max speed
Security
No uploading

Cons:
Not free
Shorter retention (leads to slightly lower selection, but request system is good)




What are your pros and cons?

[RACKnRAIL]

I'd rather spend the extra money, if I was going to, on extra bandwidth. My ISP has an extreme speed connection for $11 extra per month. It would drastically improve my upload bandwidth and certainly help my incoming.

I usually find everything I want, file wise, but not all on bittorrent. I'd say a large % of my music came from Napster and AudioGalaxy, back in the day. However, nowadays, I find just about everything I need, except for the rare stuff I still use Soulseek and eMule. Emule may be very slow to some people, but it always pulls through with the goods. I recently d/l a very old and rare movie from eMule. I can guarantee you wouldn't have found it on usenet anytime soon. It was no where to be found on BT. I was actually very surprised to find it at all.

I would be willing to try usenet, but I have mostly everything I want. I also have trouble with BT ratios because of that. I very selectively d/l these days making it difficult to maintain the ratio. I could never justify spending money on a service (newsgroups) that I would hardly ever use. Also, being an old fart, would it have the content I enjoy or would I always be requesting files?