Usenet- Newsgroups Give Better Access!

[DwarfBaby]

Greater sense of community on proper trackers


I don't understand what that means?



Anyways, I guess my biggest pro for Newsgroups is I just do it. I click on the NZB(torrent) and I get that file. No worrying about upload ratio and worrying about Cease and Desist Letters. I don't worry about wait time or seeding or seed to leach ratio. Basically newsgroups are a lot less work and stress.

If a file can't be found on Usenet I'll fire up Utorrent and check a few torrent sites. If I still can't find it all head back to the Newsgroups and request it.

I don't view this in terms as pros or cons. I just use the right tool for the right situation. Usenet is really an amazing tool.

[Krell]

I don't view this in terms as pros or cons. I just use the right tool for the right situation. Usenet is really an amazing tool.

I'm still waiting on someone to write a Cliffs Notes guide demonstrating this.


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[cjules13]

I don't understand what that means?

It means on private sites, there are private forums available with only those members where you can discuss the filenames and comment sections with avatars and post counts etc, sort of like here, but without too many new guys running in and out.

When you've been hanging around sites for so long, you get to know the people and the uploaders, so it's more community-like.

A pro for me at least.

[meyou123]

It means on private sites, there are private forums available with only those members where you can discuss the filenames and comment sections with avatars and post counts etc, sort of like here, but without too many new guys running in and out.

When you've been hanging around sites for so long, you get to know the people and the uploaders, so it's more community-like.

A pro for me at least.



Newsgroups have the same thing!

In certian groups, there are uploaders you can ask for just about anything in that group and they pretty much have it. You get your request filled in hours. I don't know HOW they get all that stuff, but they must have a connection to the library of congress or something. LOL!

[noarms]

Hells yeah usenet pwns

[polu]

Usenet wins hands down, there is nothing beatin it

[mscheeky]

good thread, good info for the newbie who wants to learn how to get files.

[popopot]

Are newsgroups where torrent uploaders get the most recent/scene releases of films, TV shows, music, etc?

Also, is it worth subscribing to a usenet indexing service like newzbin?

I am thinking of delving into newsgroups but am unsure of a few noob things.

Thanks.

[meyou123]

Are newsgroups where torrent uploaders get the most recent/scene releases of films, TV shows, music, etc?

Also, is it worth subscribing to a usenet indexing service like newzbin?

I am thinking of delving into newsgroups but am unsure of a few noob things.

Thanks.


Even though some torrent uploaders may get their files first from newsgroups....I am uncertian of how often it happens. A lot of private torrent sites get their new releases or O-day as it is called... from people who are on private FTP top sites or know someone who is.

Though a lot of Private BT sites sometimes get new releases first, it is evened out by the fact that by the time it takes you to upload BACK a file that is 750mb in size, on newsgroups, you don't have to upload anything back!

So I can download SEVERAL files at my MAX SPEED on newsgroups... by the time I am able to upload back that ONE file I downloaded on a private BT site just to keep my ratio up....because on newsgroups...there IS no upload ratio! Only "leeching"or downloading....unless you have the skills to upload something to a certian group...and even THEN mostly they don't want you to upload anything until they get to know you.


Secondly, on your question of indexing sites....newzbin is by far the BEST! Hands down...but that is only my opinion.There are free NZB indexing sites out there like the peer hub,but they have mainly movies and TV shows whereas newzbin has everything neatly indexed. So to me, it is WELL worth the small fee to use Newzbin.

[popopot]

Even though some torrent uploaders may get their files first from newsgroups....I am uncertian of how often it happens. A lot of private torrent sites get their new releases or O-day as it is called... from people who are on private FTP top sites or know someone who is.

Though a lot of Private BT sites sometimes get new releases first, it is evened out by the fact that by the time it takes you to upload BACK a file that is 750mb in size, on newsgroups, you don't have to upload anything back!

So I can download SEVERAL files at my MAX SPEED on newsgroups... by the time I am able to upload back that ONE file I downloaded on a private BT site just to keep my ratio up....because on newsgroups...there IS no upload ratio! Only "leeching"or downloading....unless you have the skills to upload something to a certian group...and even THEN mostly they don't want you to upload anything until they get to know you.


Secondly, on your question of indexing sites....newzbin is by far the BEST! Hands down...but that is only my opinion.There are free NZB indexing sites out there like the peer hub,but they have mainly movies and TV shows whereas newzbin has everything neatly indexed. So to me, it is WELL worth the small fee to use Newzbin.

Thanks for that. I think I will sign up to a newsgroup server and give it a go.

[meyou123]

@popopot...If you are SERIOUSLY going to give it a go....read this GUIDE first! It introduces you to newsgroups and gives you step-by-step instructions....

http://www.slyck.com/ng.php

[popopot]

@popopot...If you are SERIOUSLY going to give it a go....read this GUIDE first! It introduces you to newsgroups and gives you step-by-step instructions....

http://www.slyck.com/ng.php


Thanks. I have read that guide many times and I am just waiting for my credit card to come through before I sign up.

Does anybody know how newsgroups compare to a torrent site like Oink for lossless music?

[meyou123]

Thanks. I have read that guide many times and I am just waiting for my credit card to come through before I sign up.

Does anybody know how newsgroups compare to a torrent site like Oink for lossless music?


They have several groups to choose from...it depends on the music you are looking for. They even have groups that specialize in music from the 50's 60's 70's 80's 90's etc.

But if they do not have it upfor some reason, you can get posting privledges and ask someone in the group about what you are looking for.


Who are you going with? Newshosting ...Giganews..usenext..etc.???

What client have you decided upon...newsleecher...Grabbit...etc.??

Will you use a service like newzbin?

Just curious.

[popopot]

They have several groups to choose from...it depends on the music you are looking for. They even have groups that specialize in music from the 50's 60's 70's 80's 90's etc.

But if they do not have it upfor some reason, you can get posting privledges and ask someone in the group about what you are looking for.


Who are you going with? Newshosting ...Giganews..usenext..etc.???

What client have you decided upon...newsleecher...Grabbit...etc.??

Will you use a service like newzbin?

Just curious.


My plan is, when my bloody credit card arrives, to get a block account at Usenet-News to give newsgroups a try out. I think I will try using Grabbit first because its free and apparently simple to learn. I will probably sign up to newzbin, however, I have recently come across NZBMatrix and Binage - but I think for Binage you need an invite. i am not sure what the real difference is between the indexing sites, or how they compare to Grabbit and Newsleechers (pay for) indexing tools. Anybody know?

Just found about Alt.binz as well. Might give that a go.

[Hath]

My ISP gives me a 2gb Giga News account with my internet account. That is pretty decent coming from an ISP. I don't use newsgroups that much, because I just don't have the patience. I tend to stick to stick Bittorrent.

[DasFox]

@popopot...If you are SERIOUSLY going to give it a go....read this GUIDE first! It introduces you to newsgroups and gives you step-by-step instructions....

http://www.slyck.com/ng.php

Thanks meyou123 for mentioning Slyck's I forgot about this site, and put in the post. :icon_thum

[meyou123]

Thanks meyou123 for mentioning Slyck's I forgot about this site, and put in the post. :icon_thum


Yeah, the thing about slyck's guide ,is that when I read it for the very first time using newsgroups ...it explained things so well I was not afraid to give newsgroups a try. I hope it clears things up and answers a lot of questions for people that are just starting newsgroups.

[sonusahu]

i posted this else where , but that thread had lost it's meaning a long time ago. so here it is again:-

in newgroups u pay $$'s to the news client, otherwise u use a free newsclient which lacks functionality. then u pay $$ to have a box in a news server on the basis of the amount of GB"s u download. otherwise u use a free news server which in turn lacks some functionality. in other words they demand that u have to pay $$'s to have better acess to stuff which is pirated in the first place !. do u call that file sharing ?.

i don't want to advocate for private sites cuz i think they shudn't be private in the first place, but if it is the question of acess without uploading then most of them also have a system called VIP users where u donate some $$'s and u don't have to maintain ur dl/ul ratio or u simply have the choice to upload some percentage of the data which constitutes to file sharing.

[Tic3]

i posted this else where , but that thread had lost it's meaning a long time ago. so here it is again:-

in newgroups u pay $$'s to the news client, otherwise u use a free newsclient which lacks functionality. then u pay $$ to have a box in a news server on the basis of the amount of GB"s u download. otherwise u use a free news server which in turn lacks some functionality. in other words they demand that u have to pay $$'s to have better acess to stuff which is pirated in the first place !. do u call that file sharing ?.

i don't want to advocate for private sites cuz i think they shudn't be private in the first place, but if it is the question of acess without uploading then most of them also have a system called VIP users where u donate some $$'s and u don't have to maintain ur dl/ul ratio or u simply have the choice to upload some percentage of the data which constitutes to file sharing.

There's a couple things in this post that are worth addressing.

in newgroups u pay $$'s to the news client, otherwise u use a free newsclient which lacks functionality

Not necessarily. There are several free news readers that are fully functional and free. Grabit is one. X-News is another. So is Forte's Agent. If nothing else, you can always download one of the commercial clients.

then u pay $$ to have a box in a news server on the basis of the amount of GB"s u download.

This isn't necessarily true either. Most of the commercial news service providers have unlimited access that is NOT based on the amount of GB's you download. Prices typically range from $15 - $25 US dollars. Most internet providers offer free access to usenet, some of which are actually unrestricted access to usenet. I've seen several posts lately where at least one ISP is offering unlimited access to GigaNews to their subscribers.

And finally,

do u call that file sharing ?

Well, yes. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I call it. Torrents are what I don't call sharing. With usenet, people upload files with no expectation of receiving anything in return. That's called sharing. With torrents, they DEMAND that you upload as well as download. That's not sharing, that's forced trading. If you have trouble distinguishing the difference between sharing and trading, I would suggest www.webster.com or any other dictionary for clarification.

So dude...it's nice that you are an advocate of torrents. No problem with that, but if you are going to give out information, you need to make sure you are giving out ACCURATE information. What you've posted here is nonsense.

Tic3

[sonusahu]

Not necessarily. There are several free news readers that are fully functional and free. Grabit is one. X-News is another. So is Forte's Agent. If nothing else, you can always download one of the commercial clients.

i think u didn't get my meaning, what i meant is that some paid newsclient's like newsleecher have some added functionality like supersearch etc, which is not available in a free news client like grabit. so u have to pay $$ to have those added functionality.
This isn't necessarily true either. Most of the commercial news service providers have unlimited access that is NOT based on the amount of GB's you download. Prices typically range from $15 - $25 US dollars. Most internet providers offer free access to usenet, some of which are actually unrestricted access to usenet. I've seen several posts lately where at least one ISP is offering unlimited access to GigaNews to their subscribers.
so the bottom line is they demand $$'s which may/may not be based on GB's u download. incidentally i checked membership on some top news-servers and they demanded me to buy a box worth of some GB"s. also costlier news server have different retention period etc.

Well, yes. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I call it. Torrents are what I don't call sharing. With usenet, people upload files with no expectation of receiving anything in return. That's called sharing. With torrents, they DEMAND that you upload as well as download. That's not sharing, that's forced trading.
please make it clear, people upload files for free and news clients/ news-servers make money from stuff that is pirated/uploaded by people for free in the first place?. with bittorrent atleast nobody's demanding money !, the only thing amount they get is from donations, both on public and private torrent sites.

[GuyFawks]

Well you ARE donating to Newsgroups. In torrentleech, they want you to pay to get ahead of the wait times. People need to support sites and Usenet is a HUGE network. Unfortunately it costs money, time and computing power to provide these services. There is a reason why Usenet is so good. (BTW I like IRC).

[Tic3]

GuyFawks, I'm with you on the IRC. I've been using it for over 10 years now and have always been able to find what I need.

Sonusahu, I understood your post perfectly, and stand by everything I said. Sure some newsreaders offer "additional features" if you pay money for them, but there are perfectly functional newsreaders out there for free that do everything you need them to do. FREE.

Which providers "demand" that you buy a box of gigabytes? Did you bother to check if they offer unlimited downloads? I'm pretty sure most (if not all) do offer unlimited downloads for a monthly fee.

You are wrong about the news clients/news servers making money from stuff that is pirated. They make NOTHING off the files. They provide a service, much like your internet provider provides a service. Does your ISP "make money" from files you download off the internet? Of course not. Neither do news servers.

Again, it's nice that you are fond of the bit torrent protocol; it's a great protocol and has lots of potential, but I get the feeling you are DELIBERATELY MISLEADING people by by posting nonsense like you have here.

If you prefer bit torrent over newsgroups, that's fine, but don't mislead the readers of this site by posting inaccurate information on other options.

Thanks.

[GuyFawks]

This is bad... very bad. Digg has been popularizing Usenet and the ability it has to share binary files. Any network that get attention by the media gets stomped (Bittorent, Kazaa, Gnutella...) If IRC gets found out, it will be bad (Though you can't shut them down [tor hidden services anyone?]). BBS is where all the files get shared. Im part of a community or two that share files AND BSS IS THE BEST WAY. Why? Because PEOPLE are finding files and all their different means of transmitting it.

[eivioolla]

do u call that file sharing ?.

Do files get shared?

[GuyFawks]

Yes. You share a file with another. You have a copy and say "Hey, would you like a copy?", and the person says "Ok! Thanks!". And that person should try to help out, because that is common courtesy.

[DasFox]

This is bad... very bad. Digg has been popularizing Usenet and the ability it has to share binary files. Any network that get attention by the media gets stomped (Bittorent, Kazaa, Gnutella...) If IRC gets found out, it will be bad (Though you can't shut them down [tor hidden services anyone?]). BBS is where all the files get shared. Im part of a community or two that share files AND BSS IS THE BEST WAY. Why? Because PEOPLE are finding files and all their different means of transmitting it.

What do you mean Digg has been popularizing Usenet and the ability it has to share binary files?

[sonusahu]

nonsense, misleading etc etc

wud u mind not taking this to a personal level ?, or r u here to do captain's bidding ?.

Sonusahu, I understood your post perfectly,
i am simply saying, in bittorrent public/private sites u get the same functionality whether u decide to "donate" or not, which doesn't seem to be the same case for usenet where a person paying money gets added functionality.

i am also not cool with usenet's theory that u don't have to share anything back, which seems to have seeped into user's attitude when they say "uploading in bt is like forced trading" . if such becomes the attitude of all users using p2p then free file sharing will cease to exist and will soon be taken over by "paid ftp/usenet"..


visualizing the future, anybody can see that usenet already is and will overtake/kill majority of p2p networks because of it's "no upload" for money theory. so given their present demanding attitude, and taking into account the law of averages, soon a time will come when users will be forced to either use low speed jammed news servers or pay $$$'s. without a regulatory body, the prices will solely depend on the few ppl who run new servers.

[Tic3]

wud u mind not taking this to a personal level ?, or r u here to do captain's bidding ?.

Personal level? Calling information nonsense and misleading isn't personal. I'm commenting on your statements, not on you. Go back and re-read my comments, and re-read your own comments. You specifically said that "in newgroups u pay $$'s to the news client". I called you on that and said it wasn't true, giving very specific examples to the contrary.

You then posted "i think u didn't get my meaning, what i meant is that some paid newsclient's like newsleecher have some added functionality like supersearch etc, which is not available in a free news client like grabit. so u have to pay $$ to have those added functionality."

Like I said, I understood your post perfectly. You didn't say pay for added functionality, you said pay to use the news client.

I'll let you know right off the bat, I don't have anything against you, but I definitely have something against your misleading post. I'm not here to do anyone's bidding. I don't have multiple accounts. Just the one. And if you notice, I don't post often. I post on topics that interest me enough to comment on. Believe me when I tell you, I'm my own person. I post what I want, when I want.

i am simply saying, in bittorrent public/private sites u get the same functionality whether u decide to "donate" or not, which doesn't seem to be the same case for usenet where a person paying money gets added functionality.

i am also not cool with usenet's theory that u don't have to share anything back, which seems to have seeped into user's attitude when they say "uploading in bt is like forced trading" . if such becomes the attitude of all users using p2p then free file sharing will cease to exist and will soon be taken over by "paid ftp/usenet"..


visualizing the future, anybody can see that usenet already is and will overtake/kill majority of p2p networks because of it's "no upload" for money theory. so given their present demanding attitude, and taking into account the law of averages, soon a time will come when users will be forced to either use low speed jammed news servers or pay $$$'s. without a regulatory body, the prices will solely depend on the few ppl who run new servers.

I disagree with pretty much everthing you've said here, too. You claim that bit torrent gives you the same functionality whether you decide to donate or not. Let's look at this from another perspective: You are forced to upload. Therefore, it's costing you electricity, its forcing you to use bandwidth that you pay for, it's costing you your time because while you have to keep your computer running and connected. You are being forced to take a significant risk in being caught by the RIAA or MPAA and taken to court. The costs may be insignificant, but they are costs, and you don't have a choice in the matter. So to say that using bit torrent doesn't cost isn't exactly true, is it? And how 'bout that legal aspect? Bit torrent is one of the most unsafe file sharing methods out there.

I also speak from experience when I say I think you are completely wrong about your "demanding attitude", "no upload for money", usenet killing a majority of p2p networks comments, too. Usenet has been around for a very long time. Far longer than any of the p2p networks. As I posted in another thread somewhere, people have been crying that "leeches" are going to kill p2p for over a decade. It hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen ever. There are enough of us willing to share what we have without being forced to do so that such claims are laughable.

One more thing regarding your "demanding attitude" and "no upload for money" comments. I already said that I'm my own man when it comes to posting here. The same applies to my file sharing. I share what I want, when I want, and how I want. They are my files, it's my computer, and it's my time. I refuse to allow some 14 year old little script kiddie tell me how to name my files, what directories they need to be in, or that I have to offer them in trade to use their trackers.

Don't worry yourself about not being cool with usenet's theory on sharing. Whether you or anyone else chooses to to label it as something else doesn't matter. It's true sharing, and it's worked just find without your regulatory body since possibly about the time you were still in diapers.

Tic3

[GuyFawks]

What do you mean Digg has been popularizing Usenet and the ability it has to share binary files?

Whenever a medium such as this, becomes significantly newsworthy, the MPAA take notice, of course they may already have and are shutting down what they can, but its just a thought.

[meyou123]

Whenever a medium such as this, becomes significantly newsworthy, the MPAA take notice, of course they may already have and are shutting down what they can, but its just a thought.

Believe me, the MPAA/RIAA already have thought of newsgroups...and if they could shut down newsgroups, they would have already done it in a heartbeat.

But they cannot for a couple of reasons that come to mind. First, if they send takedown notices to the newsserver, the offending material would already be off the newsserver before it got through legal proceedings. And if they did manage to get it taken down in time, someone would just re-post the material and it would be back to square one!

And newsgroups have been around a very long time, most ISP's have newsgroups...though most are not like paid newsservers, as ISP newsgroups are sometimes monitored and have very little binary retention. But they cannot just shut down newsgroups, because newsgroups do have legal uses as well as illegal ones.

The media mafia have gone after a few NZB sites in America, though they have never touched servers outside america such as newzbin as far as I know. So the effect has been very minimal. But even IF they shut down all the NZB sites, you can still manually search for headers on newsgroups,like in the old days. So the point is moot.

No, they have already considered newsgroups....I think it is just that it would be too much trouble for them to go after newsgroups when there are far easier targets like kazaa waiting in the wings.

[irish66]

I'm new to the newsgroup scene and delighted with speeds.
But I can't see myself giving up p2p, in particular direct connect because of availability of such stuff as foreign subtitled movies.
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[irish66]

I'm not sure how insane we can get around here, but let's please try and keep it nice. I'd hate to hear that this posted was closed. ;)

Anyhow just a cap on what everyone is saying, just REMEMBER ----> "Time Is Money"

So either way you look at it, you're paying for it, either in time, or money.

Ok PLEASE don't flame up the place to much, LOL :icon_sunn

definitions of time
a. A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future.
b. An interval separating two points on this continuum; a duration: a long time since the last war; passed the time reading.
c. A number, as of years, days, or minutes, representing such an interval: ran the course in a time just under four minutes.
d. A similar number representing a specific point on this continuum, reckoned in hours and minutes: checked her watch and recorded the time, 6:17 a.m.
e. A system by which such intervals are measured or such numbers are reckoned: solar time.

no mention of money there :)

[irish66]

You probably got your invite from the same person that gave me one for another PT. My first downloads were two movies at over 400 kb/s. You make it sound so painful just to back up your lame ass story of how much better "we" usenet users are. Now I am certain you are nothing more than a whiner fanboy.

This is not directed at usenet users personally; only one. I do not deny what works for everyone else, but if you're going to shit on an award winning program that does in fact work very well for others, you had better do more homework. I'm sure that's why Braum Cohen is a millionaire now...because Bittorrent suck ass.

So "suck ass" is good. :)
400, what speeds do you get with newsgroups.
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[irish66]

I guess this is how I see it:

BitTorrent:
Pros:
Free
Fast on proper trackers
Greater sense of community on proper trackers
Almost unlimited selection
Greater retention time

Cons:
Security
Ratios (unless you're Johnny on the spot like me:)


Newsgroups:
Pros:
Consistently max speed
Security
No uploading

Cons:
Not free
Shorter retention (leads to slightly lower selection, but request system is good)




What are your pros and cons?

Nicely laid out. i have been reluctant to use torrents because of speeds i was getting.
But next time I'll do the seeders search and see if there is anything i want from those with
lots of seeds.

p2p-Direct Connect in particular
PROS
files available as long as users share them
Free
rare movies
cons
files only availabe if slots available
hubs demanding large share before letting you in.
download speeds depends on many factors such as, your speed. their speed, wh0 else is downloading from you/them and uploading from you/them.
users disappearing
incompatible clients
if you are downloading a file, and let;s say your computer crashes, when you connect again, and didn't remember to add the hub to favourites, you will get message like "no users to download from" of course you could be lucky, and find the file from other users.


As for security, i use Peerguardian, but have no idea how effective it is.

Corrections are welcome.



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[etos45]

Okay... the original link isn't good anymore and most of these other posts I've been seeing are just, "Newsgroups rock, you suck." and "Newsgroups aren't as good as bt, your mom sucks." :)

So, my question is does anyone have and suggestions on a good newsgroup site to start with and maybe a good intro to it. I used them a long long time ago, but I'm sure they're way different now (since last time I used it, internet was still all text).

Anyways, thanks for the help.

[irish66]

apologies for putting this here. But can someone tell me where I find the link to start a new thread.
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[Miniver]

My Verizon Dsl comes with free unlimited access to usenet.

FIOS probably comes with it too but they haven't brought fiber to my area...yet. I drool with anticipation.

One Year Agreement
Online Only: Order
any of these speeds
& get 1st month FREE
FASTUp to 5 Mbps $39.99
FASTERUp to 15 Mbps $49.99
FASTESTUp to 30 Mbps $179.95

30 mbps access to newsgroups? I think I just creamed my shorts.

[GuyFawks]

When i move out (soon) ill be getting 25mb access for $90... Oh my goodness, now my dreams of a 10TB array can be finally realized! Now I guess Ill have to get that tv....

[2banditos]

anyone knows some good free newsservers with binary files ?

[GuyFawks]

http://209.85.12.234/11151/130/emo/google.gif

[carpefile]

anyone knows some good free newsservers with binary files ?
Good / Free newservers

pick one of the above, cause the 2 together don't exist.