Should 56kers Upload?

[Hysyde]

As much as it's a pain, I always try to go through my upload list (On winMX) and check to see if the people are sharing files. If anybody has a low number of files, or no files at all in their browse list, I first send a message asking them if they are new. If they respond that they are I usually give them the benefit of the doubt and let them upload.....usually. If they do not respond or say no, I cut them off. Today some idiot got offended and said since he's a 56k he shouldn't have to upload. I told him to fuck off and cancelled his dl. I knoe it's a bit of a pain, but I'm at 56k (My only option) and I still manage to share. Is that not fair? I've got some rarer sutff that I just wanna get out there for others. If more people did this, shit wouldn't be so hard to find sometimes. Should 56kers share? WTF

[isus]

this is a unique idea... why not make a network that looks for rare files, and when it finds them on only one or two users, esp. users with 56k or less, downloads it to their computers when they are idle, etc...

but yes, 56k's are the backbone of all p2p networks... this is why gnutella will never become a great network.

[wonderboy2005]

to tell u the truth, i think that high speed users are actually the backbone of p2p. for example, college users. i know that on average, for every 500mb i get, i give almost 3 gigs.

as for the 56kers sharing, i dont think it should even be a question. of course they should. its a fileSHARING network... is it not? i remember when i was on a 28.8 connection and i shared. that was a little over a year ago.

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Krell
Run phone lines in from your neighbors houses. Then . . bond the modems togther. That way you'll get more bandwidth.

If your neighbors give you any slack about it, pick up their phone line, call the FBI, and threaten the president. (very quickly reel in phone cord)

Then . . just sit back and wait for the sirens to surround your neighbors house.


That's to freakin funny......why not just run a line from there box out back? While your at it grab a few more lines an set up 4 or 5 dial up PC's on netzero.....an use 4 out of the 5 to share and download off the one....

Then after you share and get what you want......go call 911 or something an make prank calls...then yank the line patches down an run like hell.

[Hysyde]

I'm not sure about a shotgun setup, but ISDN is not avaiable to me, along with cable and dsl. I live in the bonnies.

1-2k downloads not worth the effort? Worthless? I do it all the time...I'm used to it.

I'm able upload for people, who I'm sure are glad to get my file when it's a rare find. Sure I time out quite a bit, and it's not the most effective, but I've shared lots of files. What about multi-point? My 1 or 2k added helps that user that much more.

I say fuck leeching and fuck the leechers. If someone doesn't want to upload off my 56k because they think it's a hassle, then they don't have to.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

i had a 56k for alot longer than ive had my adsl. i always managed to share. music, software even a few divX. anyone who doesnt share should be cancelled. if they feel their connection isnt up to sharing , then they shouldnt come on p2p networks.

[crackerjacker]

hell yeah, they should upload.
hmmm
56k users are capable of uploading.
first off, heres why,
that 2.3 or 3 kbs they upload to u, along with others, *multisource* or whatever, they contribute.
even if it wasnt multisource available, they can upload.
reason simply, they can upload just as well as faster connections.
i dont see a problem with it.
the idea is simple.
they contribute to.
and u know what, if i was a dial up user, and i got a good file, for like whatever it was, and i knew someone else wanted it. i would upload to them, no matter if my downloads was halted for awhile.
its called sharing.
but i must say, that resume features, are good that allows dial up and broadband users to get good files.

btw, when i was on dial up, i shared, all wells that ends well.

rtws

envision *ha ha

[wonderboy2005]

actually, 56 k isnt really 54k, its 53. and one byte is 8 bits, not 10. so it is more than 5.4 bytes/sec. u do tha math... i dont want to. btw, 300th post!!!!

[Caitlyn Marble]

Share damnit! I did it, an everyone else did it, so why they hell can't they? It helps if you cut it down to 1 download at a time. And if someone is getting something really rare and your connection is getting kinda flakey its good to message them telling that you can die at any time and that if they wait 20 mins or so after you do you'll be back online and you'll message them so they can continue. you don't need 20 mins but its good to strech the legs.

[ston]

I estimate that I have probably uploaded somewhere between 10 and 30 gigabytes on a dial-up modem since I started filesharing. And this is without any loss to download speed.

Uploading is important to me and I can honestly say that I have given to P2P much more than I have taken. Anyone who says you should not upload on a 56k modem obviously has never learned how to do it properly.

By using a bandwidth monitor and carefully tweaking the throttling speed it is possible to get maximum upload AND download bandwidth at the same time
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[SnakeAnarchy]

i have 56k and i always share, even when i mdling. I may not have the p2p program on all day since im running wih 64mb of ram... but i have it on all night long.

[CTC Command]

I just set everrything to 1. 1 down, and 1 up; and even then its s-s-s-slowwww-alot of people have started to grab something and after a minute or two they just end their connection. But when I visit my friend in Boston with a high speed connection I always bring my laptop along and hook into his network--after the usual 45 minute to 4 hour download times it's amazing to see something fly in in under 5 minutes...When he comes down to visit he gets quickly exasperated with how long it takes for just a web page to open, let alone downloading/uploading. I guess its like the folks who sign off on an upload from my turtle paced dial up connnection. I guess theres those looking for instant gratification, while the rest of us knoow that any thing good is worth the wait:shy

[phalkon30]

I think 56k'rs should share

sure, by theirself, it doesnt look like they help much, but think about this, if every 56k user stopped sharing....

do you think you would get the same amount of results? doubt it

56k users are still a major part of p2p, with multisource downloads, they can actually add something, i appreciate anybodys upload, no matter what the speed

[Ken17625]

By all means share. Speed won't matter. If a person doesn't want to download from a 56k user, they won't. 56kers also contribute to multisource. So share.

[Peter Stroker]

Share like your Mommy taught you. If I'm getting 1kb from 10 users at once that's called TEAMWORK.
"UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL"



_______ :shoot ___________________ :cross
... File sharing soldier.................................Leecher!

[CoconutDonkey]

I guess the above post say it all.
If you're using P2P then share ..... whatever your connection speed because it does make a huge difference.

If you don't share... well then... you can go to bed each night with the uncomfortable thought of being an all hated character..... a genuine, real life, LEECHER.

[Munchables]

I have heard this many times.

I think ppl that propose this idea know nothing about p2p which is fine I guess. Look 56k ppl are the back bone like some one said they provide like 3-8k but when you get like 10 of them then you get 30-80k I would rather 10 56k usres than one dsl or cable user buecause when that cable user logs off you are fucked but 56k users get on and off all the time and even if 5 leave then you are still downloading.

[snowborder74]

you know where i live i was once on the ol 56k and i would share more than some ppl i knew with DSL as they were pathetic and said that when they upload it slows them down...which is total crap i got DSL i upload with no slowdown especially since DSL has an upstream set speed and a downstream set speed....making it hard to slow you down..also back when i had 56k uploading didnt even slow me down so whats the big deal about sharing or not WHEN YOU VOLUNTEER FOR THIS WAR CALLED FILESHARING ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SHOULD DO IS SHARE....if you never share then everybody decides to be like you nobody would ever get anything bringing death to p2p..and oh yea in my opinion there shouldnt be an option to disable sharing and you shouldnt be able to move your files to folders that arent shared so you cant hide from sharing

[Wings_of_Azrael]

The fact that most file sharing networks are made up of 56K users really sucks. Just compare Direct Connect to Gnutella, there's no contest. A small network that's almost exclusively for broadband users beats the hell out of one that's mostly 56K. Just look at networks like WinMX with its ridiculous queues, most likely full of 56K users that don't share and are trying to download files that are too large for them. Almost all the files I get from FastTrack are through broadband users. It's hell to try to download from a 56K user with a measly one or two slots open. I'm not trying to say they suck or anything, it's nice of them to try. However, the bulk of my downloads are either from UseNet or other broadband users.

I just recently got DSL, and I still remember the agony of 56K hell. It was a pain to download from other dial-up users, and broadband users would cut me off just for being slow. I can sympathize with 56Kers, and I'm happy to share with them. However, I think the true power in file sharing is broadband. Dial-up makes for weak networks, broadband makes for strong ones (unless it's shittyDonkey).

Oh yeah, and it would be so fucked if people couldn't move files they download to another folder. What if they're afraid of getting reported for sharing illegal software or movies, and just wanted to download and burn it. If you have a wussy ISP that won't stand up for its users, then I think it's very reasonable to not share things like pirated operating systems and hit movies. However, you should try to make up for it by sharing something great and rare.

[Travis982]

There shouldn't even have been a need for the original question. Fairness dictates that EVERYONE (even if all they've got is a 9600 modem) should share. Even a new guy can grab a couple of songs off an old CD and share em.

As to cutting someone off. I've never done it--and won't. You never know what the reason is for them not showing any files. Maybe the programme got f**ked up. Maybe they just installed a new one. Who knows? Besides I'm not going to waste my time hunting for leechers when I can do more constructive things. Let Karma take care of em.

[Vladd44]

In asynchronous communications, the bit that signals the receiver that data is coming. Every byte of data is preceded by a start bit and followed by a stop bit. So we are back to 10 not 8 wonderboy2005.

Since u didnt want to do math i will

53000 8agrred its 53 not 54)

53000/10 = 5300 .

5300/1024 = 5.18 KB/s

Using your figure of 8 bits would give a total almost 6.5 (6.469) KB/s.

but its quibbling I know, the real issue is 56k uls. I dont care to dl from 56k if the file is elsewhere, to time consuming and I know its a strain on them, I recall 56k.

On the other hand IMHO 1 ul slot limited to 2500 on WinmX is more than eough for a 56k users. That way it wont kill their dls and still being fair to anyone who wants something they are sharing.

But when it comes down to it, I agree with one of the 56k users attitude on leeches. I hate leeches dling from me, but I can only imagine a 56k user getting leeched from...that would just about make me ready to kill someone.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

i dont see the problem here, i was 56k for a long time, and hell i uploaded. no-one expects you to have shitloads of rips and 4 slots open, but theres no excuse for expecting to be let off.....share a few keygens, a couple of dozen mp3 and leave one slot open. If youve got the bandwidth to spare for downloads then youve got a bit to spare for uploads, 56k is no excuse.

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by snowborder74
you know where i live i was once on the ol 56k and i would share more than some ppl i knew with DSL as they were pathetic and said that when they upload it slows them down...which is total crap i got DSL i upload with no slowdown especially since DSL has an upstream set speed and a downstream set speed....making it hard to slow you down

i completely disagree witht that, when im uploading at my max (about 14-15k a sec), it takes 30secs to load a zeropaid thread, regardless of length

it doesnt matter if your bandwidth is limited, mine is 128k up, when i fill that up, how will it not slow me down? whenever somebody wants to check their mail at our house, i have to stop sharing so they can get through 5 messages in under ten min (yes i know the math doesnt work with what i said earlier, im figuring a little time to read the mail)

it doesnt slow down your downloads, but it makes the internet virutally useless when you are maxed sharing, which is the main reason i like cable, its got fast page loads

[Munchables]

DSL is better than cable dude. DSL has a more constant rate of transfer and for just $10 more you get twice the speed of cable. you can go up $10 increments untell you reach 8mbits a sec. true if you have the minum dsl it blows realy bad and that is why ppl dis dsl so much but if you pay just an extra $10 you smoke cable. (yeah I know you can pay for better cable speeds in some areas but it is cheeper and faster the more you pay on dsl)

[SUprEMeBeiNg]

noone should:devil

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by Munchables
DSL is better than cable dude. DSL has a more constant rate of transfer and for just $10 more you get twice the speed of cable. you can go up $10 increments untell you reach 8mbits a sec. true if you have the minum dsl it blows realy bad and that is why ppl dis dsl so much but if you pay just an extra $10 you smoke cable. (yeah I know you can pay for better cable speeds in some areas but it is cheeper and faster the more you pay on dsl)

I have to once again disagree with you, in YOUR area it may be cheaper that way, around my area, its just the opposite

go 15miles away, and its the way you said it is, this has been gone over so many times in other forums, dsl and cable are virtually the same, it all depends on whats the best deal for YOU, which is almost never the same for anybody else

if you feel the need to debate this further, go to the cable vs dsl forum, NOT a 56k area, ty and have a nice day......