Reuters admits to doctoring Beirut photo

[soulxtc]

In the most recent in a series of online controversies to take on the mainstream media, a series of Web sites discredited a Reuters photograph of the fighting in Lebanon, forcing the news agency to issue an apology and remove the image from their archives.

The photograph by Adnan Hajj, which shows plumes of smoke rising from downtown Beirut after an IAF bombing, appeared to have been doctored to show more intense smoke and destruction over the city.

The Reuters news agency issued a statement acknowledging that "photo editing software was improperly used on this image. A corrected version will immediately follow this advisory. We are sorry for any inconvenience."

Reuters' head of PR Moira Whittle said that "Reuters has suspended a photographer until investigations are completed into changes made to a photograph showing smoke billowing from buildings following an air strike on Beirut. Reuters takes such matters extremely seriously as it is strictly against company editorial policy to alter pictures."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525816599&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[Neildo]

Wow, I always thought Reuters was more trustworthy than AP.

Now I don't trust either!

[mfgbypooter]

Like it isn't done all the time.

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[Lord_of_the_Dense]

I don't feel so bad now "borrowing" their news.

[moneoa]

news is just propoganda, the impartial reporter or agency no longer exsists

[soulxtc]

news is just propoganda, the impartial reporter or agency no longer exsists

Yep, ever since we went to this 24 hour nes cycle the media outlets, in an attempt to fill up airtime, switched over to NEWS ANALYSIS. Now the news is no longer where one is given the information to form their own opinion, and instead given an opinion in the form of news.

This probably why the news thats people in the Middle East get is so frightening sometimes as they have oftentimes only one news outlet: Al Jazeera. Think about, we have like a dozen here and people still have whacked out and skewed opinion that oftentimes still suffers from a lack of credible facts and data. Imagine if we only had one? Its another reason why people in the Middle East just dont get it sometimes as they are plagued by a chronic shortage of all pertinent facts and details.

[DigitalJunkie]

More sources doesn't mean much either, if it is still censored or edited by few people. It is up to the us to check the sources, then make our own opinion or truth. These days, I don't see them as "News" anymore just "Their Story(ies)"!

[mfgbypooter]

Hell why watch the "news" when you can watch a rerun of Seinfeld?

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[soulxtc]

More sources doesn't mean much either, if it is still censored or edited by few people. It is up to the us to check the sources, then make our own opinion or truth. These days, I don't see them as "News" anymore just "Their Story(ies)"!

Very true, but its only through a multitude of sourcess and assocaited digging and fact checking, sometimes even using them to compare to one another for evidence of bias, that the truth can come out.

Either way, yes the diays of unbiased news is long dead.

[soulxtc]

LONDON (Reuters) - Reuters withdrew all 920 photographs by a freelance Lebanese photographer from its database on Monday after an urgent review of his work showed he had altered two images from the conflict between Israel and the armed group Hizbollah.

Global Picture Editor Tom Szlukovenyi called the measure precautionary but said the fact that two of the images by photographer Adnan Hajj had been manipulated undermined trust in his entire body of work.

"There is no graver breach of Reuters standards for our photographers than the deliberate manipulation of an image," Szlukovenyi said in a statement.

"Reuters has zero tolerance for any doctoring of pictures and constantly reminds its photographers, both staff and freelance, of this strict and unalterable policy."

The news and information agency announced the decision in an advisory note to its photo service subscribers. The note also said Reuters had tightened editing procedures for photographs from the conflict and apologized for the case.


http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-08-07T162027Z_01_L06301298_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-REUTERS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

[mfgbypooter]

I wish they would publish real news with real photos like this.




http://pluck.typepad.com/feed_of_the_day/images/tabloid_clinton_alien.jpg

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[soulxtc]

I wish they would publish real news with real photos like this.




http://pluck.typepad.com/feed_of_the_day/images/tabloid_clinton_alien.jpg

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I wonder if thats where Clinton got his crazy mojo, from Venus where all the women are from :)

[mfgbypooter]

I'm surprised Clinton didn't want us to go back to the moon, to search for those moon maidens.

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[kerjodando]

news is just propoganda, the impartial reporter or agency no longer exsists

Here are some more doctored pictures, as the BBC admits to be being biased towards terrorist (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/07/covering_the_middle_east.html).

Here are some examples (taken by the Red Cross and doctored by the media to get sympathy for terrorists):

Some doctored pictures here (http://www.ogrish.com/archives/israellebanon_conflict_victim_images_Jul_30_2006.h tml)

I now know it was only made up.

It was obvious the Lebanon wasn't been destroyed - If only I read the Jerusalem Post earlier :)

[mountain_rage]

That one picture is so badly doctored I dont know how the publishers couldnt know. Its one of the worst examples of clone brush ive seen. Quite frankly newspapers should hire a photo detective to look at the pictures to make sure they are legit.

[moneoa]

Here are some more doctored pictures, as the BBC admits to be being biased towards terrorist (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/07/covering_the_middle_east.html).

Here are some examples (taken by the Red Cross and doctored by the media to get sympathy for terrorists):

Some doctored pictures here (http://www.ogrish.com/archives/israellebanon_conflict_victim_images_Jul_30_2006.h tml)

I now know it was only made up.

It was obvious the Lebanon wasn't been destroyed - If only I read the Jerusalem Post earlier :)
I don't think you understood what I was saying or the context of the thread, read it again and think about it.

[soulxtc]

Here are some more doctored pictures, as the BBC admits to be being biased towards terrorist (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/07/covering_the_middle_east.html).

Here are some examples (taken by the Red Cross and doctored by the media to get sympathy for terrorists):

Some doctored pictures here (http://www.ogrish.com/archives/israellebanon_conflict_victim_images_Jul_30_2006.h tml)

I now know it was only made up.

It was obvious the Lebanon wasn't been destroyed - If only I read the Jerusalem Post earlier :)

Dude your totally tripping out, the Lebanese photographer actually PHTOSHOPPED the pics and ADDED SMOKE and DEBRIS! Nobody said the shit in Lebanon aint going down, its just that this reporter made it lok as though more shit was going down than really was. So "simma downa" man.

Mo's right, go back and read it again.

[kerjodando]

I don't think you understood what I was saying or the context of the thread, read it again and think about it.

I just don't believe it that is my opinion.


Wow, I always thought Reuters was more trustworthy than AP.

Now I don't trust either!

Like it isn't done all the time.

news is just propoganda, the impartial reporter or agency no longer exsists

Now the news is no longer where one is given the information to form their own opinion, and instead given an opinion in the form of news.

These days, I don't see them as "News" anymore just "Their Story(ies)"!

Hell why watch the "news" when you can watch a rerun of Seinfeld?

yes the diays of unbiased news is long dead.



IMHO this is a planted story to discredit war reporting and to undermine peoples faith in the news coming out of Lebanon.

The propaganda war is a big part of the Middle East conflict. I can see that the war is being won by the comments above.

The media is manipulated in all manners, for example through professional public relations (PR), and covert and overt government propaganda which disseminates propaganda as news.

What are often deemed as credible news sources can often knowingly or unknowingly be pushing political agendas and propaganda.

http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Media/Manipulation.asp



As Israel broadens its psyops activities, it also continues to attack media targets using conventional military means.

Air raids on Saturday hit transmission stations used by Hezbollah's al-Manar TV, Future TV and the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC).

A technician working for LBC was reported to have been killed.

The next day, a convoy of journalists from Lebanese and pan-Arab TV channels was attacked by Israeli planes while on a tour of southern Lebanon; no injuries were reported.

According to an unconfirmed report by Egypt's Middle East News Agency, Israel managed on Sunday "to intercept the satellite transmissions of Hezbollah's al-Manar TV channel for the third successive day, replacing it with Israeli transmissions that reportedly showed Hezbollah command sites and rocket launching pads which Israel claimed it has raided".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5217484.stm


"By Way Of Deception Thou Shalt Do War."

- the official motto of Mossad



Or was the point you were making is that I should trust news reports as only this one has been manipulated?

Even the US has a department to spread black propaganda.




The Pentagon is toying with the idea of black propaganda.

As part of George Bush's war on terrorism, the military is thinking of planting propaganda and misleading stories in the international media.

A new department has been set up inside the Pentagon with the Orwellian title of the Office of Strategic Influence.

It is well funded, is being run by a general and its aim is to influence public opinion abroad.
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the covert planting of disinformation in foreign media, a process known as black propaganda....



I just don't believe it that is my opinion........I don't believe that a real journalist would submit a picture which is so obviously made up and expect to get away with it when even non professionals can spot that it was a fake.

That it is unless he wanted it to be revealed as a fake so discrediting the whole war reporting process.

Now there's a conspiracy theory for you.

[soulxtc]

That it is unless he wanted it to be revealed as a fake so discrediting the whole war reporting process.

Now there's a conspiracy theory for you.

OMG. .....its not a conspiracy, and its not lke people arent believing all the other photos coming out of there. Its one guy, one set of pics, end of story. NOBODY is discrediting any other pics that I know of, and I dont think its going to change anybodys opinions at all. You either believe in what Israel is doing or you dont. One pic with extra smoke and debris isnt going to change jack squat. I didnt change my opinion, I didnt say "dam thats a lotta smoke, shit the Israelis are f'in up." I couldnt care 2 cents if it the entire sky was filled with smoke or there was just an ittby bitty campfire signal in the air.

Why did Reuters pull it if it wasnt true, and they werent the ones who noticed first. And actually Im gonna embed the pics here to see. And just because some bloggers with 2 much time on their hands noticed doesnt mean that anybody else cared how much smoke was in the sky.

It was actually stupid to begin with, I mean how can someone doctor destruction to make it look more destructive? Its just a stupid notion. It is what it is, unless you add like a mushroom cloud or something you know what I mean? So you might want to save that conspiracy energy for other stuff, like one about 9/11 (OMG), or who really killed Jimmy Hoffa... :)

And if you dont believe the BBC or Reuters when it comes to reporting, you're not left with much in terms of places to get your news. BBC ran the same story. So next time u post all these BBC links will it make u think twice?

Discredit the war reporting process my foot. Do u think the people of the Middle East care one way or the other? They make up stuff alll the time to make the ISraelis sound evil and crazy. Like that they drink the blood of muslim children and so on, like that the "Zionists" control the world (which the best case that they arentt is that everybody's always trying to kill them and they never get a break, in fact thered probably be very few Jews left at all if it wasnt for the US). Plus, do u think AL Jazeera ran that story. Highly doubt it, beacause people over there dont care, and if anything they'd pay to see some doctored photos with more smoke over Haifa Im sure.

Reality and common sense are anathema to many in this region.

Heres the pic in question.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D060806/reu_pics.jpg

I mean look at it, big deal. Its wrong that somebody decided to go to thse lengths to change peoples minds, but who are they trying to change the minds of? The maybe 25% of the world who think its Hezbollah and not the Israelis who are nuts? Stick with the 75% and keep preaching to them. Us other 25% are resolved in who the "nuts" are. Smoke schmoke.

[cheapprick]

I just don't believe it that is my opinion.



IMHO this is a planted story to discredit war reporting and to undermine peoples faith in the news coming out of Lebanon.

The propaganda war is a big part of the Middle East conflict. I can see that the war is being won by the comments above.



http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Media/Manipulation.asp


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5217484.stm


"By Way Of Deception Thou Shalt Do War."

- the official motto of Mossad



Or was the point you were making is that I should trust news reports as only this one has been manipulated?

Even the US has a department to spread black propaganda.



I just don't believe it that is my opinion........I don't believe that a real journalist would submit a picture which is so obviously made up and expect to get away with it when even non professionals can spot that it was a fake.

That it is unless he wanted it to be revealed as a fake so discrediting the whole war reporting process.

Now there's a conspiracy theory for you.

Good heavens! I wonder who's behind it all?

I chuckle mirthlessly to myself about quoting the whole damn thing to reply with a single line.

[mfgbypooter]

The war won't be over until Hezbollah turns Lebanon into this.

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/cd/burnt_street_500.jpg

[soulxtc]

Good heavens! I wonder who's behind it all?

I chuckle mirthlessly to myself about quoting the whole damn thing to reply with a single line.

Its gotta be the jews right? Ha ha, Mel Gibsons here BBQing with me right now. :)

[kerjodando]

Its gotta be the jews right? Ha ha, Mel Gibsons here BBQing with me right now. :)

Before you start implying that someone is paranoid, you may want to do a little fact checking. Going over the grandparent post line by line:

Would it surprise you to learn that these doctored photos were placed by someone on the far Right trying to discredit the centrist media?
Note that he's not saying that it's true, just suggesting that it might be. And, given that this is a well known technique in spin control / psyops, it isn't an unreasonable questions.

Sort of like the way the fake 60 Minutes article on Bush's little vacation from the Air National Guard was placed by a GOP operative trying to smear CBS and Dan Rather.
Well, he's certainly not [recordonline.com] alone [alternet.org] in this theory, and it is consistent with what Rove is known to have done to Alan Dixon, John McCain, and many others.

The goons on the Right in this country are playing a very deep game.
Goons is subjective, and pejorative, but the rest of this point is darned hard to argue with. When a party rises from the mat to take control of all three branches of the federal Government, is a coordinated effort lasting decades, you'd be hard pressed to call it luck.

They're sophisticated enough to data mine,
Widely known [washingtonpost.com]

and they're morally deformed enough to try to smear the patriotism of a triple amputee war hero.
His name was Max Clealand [washingtonpost.com], and they did just what he said.

It's just fascinating that the paste-eaters at LGF are always the ones who find these doctored photos,
"Always" is an exaduration, and "paste-eaters" is (probably) unjustified, but other than that it is an interesting point. They certainly have found a number of them, and always leaning to the right.

but never say a word about the ones on GOP web sites that show too much smoke on the destroyed World Trade Center.
This did happen [usnews.com], and so far as I know none of them raised a stink, so he's spot on.

With a news media that's run by press agents,
Also well known. [csmonitor.com]

and a government run by lobbyists,
Well, they write the laws [thenation.com], and

you should just be prepared to only believe your own experience, and the media that you absolutely trust.
If you want to, go ahead and argue that you should believe sources you don't trust.

Other than that, expect it to be lies.
Thing that aren't true, are...lies. Again, pretty hard to argue with.

Then, get ready for the struggle to save our freedom that is inevitable.
Everyone from Ben "A Republic, if you can keep it" Franklin has agreed with this.

-- MarkusQ
see http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=193356&cid=15862535

[kokanezub]

I just don't believe it that is my opinion.

belive it..i was there i got my ticket stub to prove it

[soulxtc]

Hey Kerj, extra smoke in a phtoshopped pic has nothing to do with the GOP. Thy already back Israel no matter what. What are they gonna do now? If anything they'll demand MORE smoke, not less. Im surprised u dont see this.

And if you're concerned about politics being so corrupt dont delude yourself by thinking one side's corrupt and the other isn't. Thy eBOTH ARE CORRUPT. Corrupt in the sense of a lacking a plethora of ideas, a pallette that takes both sides into account to acheive a middle of the road consensus. And u know why this is? Because just like here in California, where DEMs have gerrymandered all the districts in collusion with the REPs, candidates only have to cater to their own base and party ideas instead of having to reach out to others.

Solution? first off, quit blaming on party and not the other, as they are both corrupt and ineffective, and for heaven's sake VOTE. Do absentee ballot as I do if your really lazy, thye send u a ballot abot 3 weeks before, u take your time, fill it out at your leisure and then send it off. No hassle at all.

Heres more doctored pics from the Reigster today (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/08/reuters_pic_shocker/)

http://regmedia.co.uk/2006/08/08/reuters_boom.jpg

http://regmedia.co.uk/2006/08/08/reuters_whoosh.jpg


belive it..i was there i got my ticket stub to prove it

Glad to know your safe BTW buddy.

[Neildo]

Attatchment.

[soulxtc]

Attatchment.

Lollllolo....hadnt seen that.

[moneoa]

and now for something completely different

[Unsueable Davey Brown]

Did you see this one?

Adnan Hajj, the photographer who sent the altered image, was also the Reuters photographer behind many of the images from Qana – which have also been the subject of suspicions for being staged.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284546,00.html

[kerjodando]

Did you see this one?

Adnan Hajj, the photographer who sent the altered image, was also the Reuters photographer behind many of the images from Qana – which have also been the subject of suspicions for being staged.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284546,00.html

THIS IS MY POINT - THIS ZEROPAID THREAD HAS BEEN PRIMARILY AIMED AT DISCREDITING THE FACT THAT ISRAEL IS DESTROYING LEBANON.

1,000 PEOPLE CIVILIANS HAVE DIED THERE TARGETED BY ISRAEL.

THE MEDITERANEAN HAS BEEN POLLUTED BY OIL (30 MILLION BARRELS) DUE TO ISRAELS BOMBING.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1155034082/img/1.jpg
(oil is black, slick so large visible by satellite)

YET WE NOW HAVE A FEW BELEIVING HERE COS OF THIS ARTICLE THAT IT IS ALL PHOTOSHOP, STAGING AND FRAMING.

Sorry to shout but I thought I better speak up as I'm the only one here who is anti-Israel, anti-war and pro-peace.

[Unsueable Davey Brown]

Well...I'm pretty sure no-one here at Zeropaid had Adnan Hajj doctor his photos so we could make a point.

Hey do you still have that link to the picture of the mutated babies caused from all the mini-nukes ;) that have suppossedly been raining down all over lebanon? :icon_tong

There is one thing I'm kind of curious about concerning these bogus propaganda pictures that have been popping up during this conflict. I wonder if it's just the independent action of people with their own private agendas, or if we can consider the possibility of a Hizzbullah propaganda arm.

[soulxtc]

THIS IS MY POINT - THIS ZEROPAID THREAD HAS BEEN PRIMARILY AIMED AT DISCREDITING THE FACT THAT ISRAEL IS DESTROYING LEBANON.

1,000 PEOPLE CIVILIANS HAVE DIED THERE TARGETED BY ISRAEL.

THE MEDITERANEAN HAS BEEN POLLUTED BY OIL (30 MILLION BARRELS) DUE TO ISRAELS BOMBING.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1155034082/img/1.jpg
(oil is black, slick so large visible by satellite)

YET WE NOW HAVE A FEW BELEIVING HERE COS OF THIS ARTICLE THAT IT IS ALL PHOTOSHOP, STAGING AND FRAMING.

Sorry to shout but I thought I better speak up as I'm the only one here who is anti-Israel, anti-war and pro-peace.


NOBODY HERE THINKS THEY ARE ALL PHOTOSHOPPED!! EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS 1,000 LEBANESE HAVE DIED1 We all know this. Nobody's disputing those facts. Yet, personally this is trivial compared to the larger picture of removing Hezbollah from Southern Lebanon. If you as country refuse to take responsibility for it and allow terror organizations to run rampant then you rightly lose all claim to not being involved. You reap what you sow.

Plus I find it ironic that your are anti-war and pro-peace yet antit-Israel. Who was attacked first? Oh thats right, Israel. SO your solution wouldve been to just ignore the attack and wait for the UN to do something (fat chance), we all know the UN takes care of the worlds problems in such a effective and timely manner.

Peace sometimes requires war, lest we forget WW2. Some things are worth fighting for, and to stand up for nothing means that one truly stands for nothing as well. Evil exists in this world make no mistake, and oftentimes evil knows no rationale, no regard for dialogue or contrition.

[soulxtc]

THIS IS MY POINT - THIS ZEROPAID THREAD HAS BEEN PRIMARILY AIMED AT DISCREDITING THE FACT THAT ISRAEL IS DESTROYING LEBANON.

1,000 PEOPLE CIVILIANS HAVE DIED THERE TARGETED BY ISRAEL.

THE MEDITERANEAN HAS BEEN POLLUTED BY OIL (30 MILLION BARRELS) DUE TO ISRAELS BOMBING.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1155034082/img/1.jpg
(oil is black, slick so large visible by satellite)

YET WE NOW HAVE A FEW BELEIVING HERE COS OF THIS ARTICLE THAT IT IS ALL PHOTOSHOP, STAGING AND FRAMING.

Sorry to shout but I thought I better speak up as I'm the only one here who is anti-Israel, anti-war and pro-peace.


NOBODY HERE THINKS THEY ARE ALL PHOTOSHOPPED!! EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS 1,000 LEBANESE HAVE DIED1 We all know this. Nobody's disputing those facts. Yet, personally this is trivial compared to the larger picture of removing Hezbollah from Southern Lebanon. If you as country refuse to take responsibility for it and allow terror organizations to run rampant then you rightly lose all claim to not being involved. You reap what you sow.

Plus I find it ironic that your are anti-war and pro-peace yet antit-Israel. Who was attacked first? Oh thats right, Israel. SO your solution wouldve been to just ignore the attack and wait for the UN to do something (fat chance), we all know the UN takes care of the worlds problems in such a effective and timely manner.

Peace sometimes requires war, lest we forget WW2. Some things are worth fighting for, and to stand up for nothing means that one truly stands for nothing as well. Evil exists in this world make no mistake, and oftentimes evil knows no rationale, no regard for dialogue or contrition.

Lebanon couldve not only prevented this but also stopped it at any point including now but they dont want to, they support those who attacked Israel so thereby thye become part of the problem. As long as it provides refuge and safe haven to those that attacked and continue to attack Israel, then it becomes a legitimate target.

[kerjodando]

NOBODY HERE THINKS THEY ARE ALL PHOTOSHOPPED!! EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS 1,000 LEBANESE HAVE DIED1 We all know this. Nobody's disputing those facts. Yet, personally this is trivial compared to the larger picture of removing Hezbollah from Southern Lebanon. If you as country refuse to take responsibility for it and allow terror organizations to run rampant then you rightly lose all claim to not being involved. You reap what you sow.

Plus I find it ironic that your are anti-war and pro-peace yet antit-Israel. Who was attacked first? Oh thats right, Israel. SO your solution wouldve been to just ignore the attack and wait for the UN to do something (fat chance), we all know the UN takes care of the worlds problems in such a effective and timely manner.

Peace sometimes requires war, lest we forget WW2. Some things are worth fighting for, and to stand up for nothing means that one truly stands for nothing as well. Evil exists in this world make no mistake, and oftentimes evil knows no rationale, no regard for dialogue or contrition.


I am glad to hear that you beleive that a 1000 Lebonese civilians, many of whom are Christian have died.

The Reuters incident is unfortunate in itself, It allows people to use such lapses “as a club against the entire mainstream media.

Their line is basically that if one freelance photographer alters a photo, then everything Israel does must be justified.


Or if one of the sentences that Dan Rather once uttered wasn’t correct, then the media is corrupt and Dan Rather’s whole career is rotten to the core.”

That is my point.

I am going to stay with some Jewish friends in Israel next year so I will probably have a different opinion when I return.

However, notwithstanding that, I have to support the underdog in the current conflict.

Israel's response has not been proportionate.

Self -defense is fine destroying a country by destroying its roads, power stations, bridges and women and children is just bloody-mindedness in my book.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41977000/jpg/_41977526_lebres_getty416.jpg
Israel is pounding Hezbollah positions from the air and ground - but the militants' barrage of deadly rockets has continued.


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41980000/jpg/_41980374_childafp220.jpg
The city's children have been among those killed and injured in fresh Israeli air strikes.

[soulxtc]

Israel's response has not been proportionate.

Self -defense is fine destroying a country by destroying its roads, power stations, bridges and women and children is just bloody-mindedness in my book.



Proportionate? What the heck is that supposed to mean? You attacke somebody you get attacked back. If you sit down and say alright they used 50 soldiers so we'll only use 50 everytime you're gonna lose. ]

Also, they havent attacked power stations just yet, as the system was built about a decade ago and cost more than 1 billion dollars to construct. Israel has said though that if Tel Aviv is attacked it will be the first to go.

Also, the Lebanese have only to get rid of Hezbollah case closed, fighting over immediately. So by not doing so then they cause themselves to be part of the conflict, Christian or not. Plus the reason why there are so many civilian casualities is becuase again the Lebanese have allowed Hezbollah to construct their bases, outposts, and weapons depots admist the civilian population. To ignore those places simply because Hezbollah is taking advantage of the population would be criminal for the Israelis to do.

[moneoa]

I am glad to hear that you beleive that a 1000 Lebonese civilians, many of whom are Christian have died.

The Reuters incident is unfortunate in itself, It allows people to use such lapses “as a club against the entire mainstream media.

Their line is basically that if one freelance photographer alters a photo, then everything Israel does must be justified.


Or if one of the sentences that Dan Rather once uttered wasn’t correct, then the media is corrupt and Dan Rather’s whole career is rotten to the core.”

That is my point.

I am going to stay with some Jewish friends in Israel next year so I will probably have a different opinion when I return.

However, notwithstanding that, I have to support the underdog in the current conflict.

Israel's response has not been proportionate.

Self -defense is fine destroying a country by destroying its roads, power stations, bridges and women and children is just bloody-mindedness in my book.
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The city's children have been among those killed and injured in fresh Israeli air strikes.
If you seriously believe that my comment was to imply everything Israel does is justified you still
dont understand what I was saying. nobody here was alluding that Israel is justified or that none of this is happenening. What I was saying is that media is biased and ALL of it is propoganda...israeli media, western media. Each country tailors the facts to their own views.

like I said you should have gone back and read it and then thought about it really hard.
nobody here was spouting pro israeli sentiment and trying to minimize whats going on
but I still call bullshit. If you rely on one source or another you are not getting the full story.

To really have a minimal knowledge of whats up you have to consider all of them and even then some of it is bound to be bullshit.

My original comment stands, this is not surprising because Media is propoganda

I find it really unfortunate you climbed on a holier than thou wagon and started to preach because you do yourself no favours
I read it again and like I said nobody here said this was not happening or that we are all trying to discredit the info and assume like a bunch of jackasses that nothing is going on

[kerjodando]

Also, they havent attacked power stations just yet, as the system was built about a decade ago and cost more than 1 billion dollars to construct. Israel has said though that if Tel Aviv is attacked it will be the first to go.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41951000/jpg/_41951008_jiyyehdayap203.jpg
The spill was caused by Israeli bombing of the Jiyyeh power station

Marine experts from Inforac, an organisation with links to the United Nations Environment Programme (Unep), issued a warning on Tuesday that the raid on the Jiyyeh Power plant in mid-July could pose a cancer risk to people living in the area.

Spokeswoman Simonetta Lombardo said the spill of fuel oil was a "high-risk toxic cocktail made up of substances which cause cancer and damage to the endocrine system".

The experts warned that the first people at risk from the "toxic spray" were the two million inhabitants of Beirut.

They also said that large quantities of dead fish along Lebanon's shores had been killed by the oil pollution.

A spokeswoman for Unep's Mediterranean Action Plan (MAP) said it was too early to judge the impact of the pollution on the area's environment.

"It is premature to derive any conclusion on the type of oil and the potential health impacts before having conducted a sample analysis of the spill," said Luisa Colasimone.

"No conclusion can be done at this stage before we have people on the ground".

She added that a team of UN experts had arrived in Syria on Tuesday and one of their tasks would be to take samples of the oil spill.

Basma Badran, a Beirut-based spokeswoman for Greenpeace, said no clean-up operation would get under way until workers' safety could be guaranteed.

"It is an extremely risky task to make the proper assessment while under fire," she told BBC News.

"Several countries are on stand-by to send technical and expert assistance if the safety of their supplies and teams can be guaranteed."

Ms Badran added that international help was essential because the Lebanese authorities lacked any capacity to deal with such a large spill.

The Lebanese environment minister said the latest satellite images showed the oil slick was continuing to spread across the eastern Mediterranean Sea, threatening the coastlines of Turkey and possibly Cyprus. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5255966.stm

The Power station has already been bombed (see above quote).


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41971000/jpg/_41971762_bridge_ap.jpg
As the destruction of roadways and bridges continued, some parts of Lebanon are becoming virtually cut off from the outside world.

[soulxtc]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41951000/jpg/_41951008_jiyyehdayap203.jpg
The spill was caused by Israeli bombing of the Jiyyeh power station

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5255966.stm

The Power station has already been bombed (see above quote).


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41971000/jpg/_41971762_bridge_ap.jpg
As the destruction of roadways and bridges continued, some parts of Lebanon are becoming virtually cut off from the outside world.

I mispoke the power switching stations, not the billion dollar power generating facilties.

And like I said, the Lebanese have reaped what they have sown. If bombing Lebanon to smithereens is what it will take to save Israel's existence and eliminate Hezbollah because the impotent Lebanese Govt wont do it, then so be it. Israel is fighting for its very survival.

Lebanon could end the war this very second if it finally got enough balls to gether to get rid of Hezbollah and take control of their country. Until then, guess thye wont be swimming in the ocean anytime soon. God knows the people of Haifa aint exactly taking a swim these days.

[shawners]

They didnt doctor the photos.. They super-enhanced it =)

[mfgbypooter]

So they doctor some photos, does it change anything?

http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/moondoggle/pics/doctored.jpg

http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/moondoggle/pics/undoctored.jpg



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[soulxtc]

So they doctor some photos, does it change anything?

http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/moondoggle/pics/doctored.jpg

http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/moondoggle/pics/undoctored.jpg



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Pooter with the fancy puns.......LMAO

[Digital Bliss]

Wow thats some bad photoshop where are hte shadows on the smoke?

[lifehacker]

THIS IS MY POINT - THIS ZEROPAID THREAD HAS BEEN PRIMARILY AIMED AT DISCREDITING THE FACT THAT ISRAEL IS DESTROYING LEBANON.

1,000 PEOPLE CIVILIANS HAVE DIED THERE TARGETED BY ISRAEL.

THE MEDITERANEAN HAS BEEN POLLUTED BY OIL (30 MILLION BARRELS) DUE TO ISRAELS BOMBING.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1155034082/img/1.jpg
(oil is black, slick so large visible by satellite)

YET WE NOW HAVE A FEW BELEIVING HERE COS OF THIS ARTICLE THAT IT IS ALL PHOTOSHOP, STAGING AND FRAMING.

Sorry to shout but I thought I better speak up as I'm the only one here who is anti-Israel, anti-war and pro-peace.
Not this again....

[soulxtc]

Yah, maybe should close b4 people get nuts again.

[Unsueable Davey Brown]

It kind of bugs me that I have to feel uncomfortable posting this, but I'm going to do it anyway.

I'm noticing a new form of censorship. It's a censorship enforced on others from external sources. It works like this. Someone posts a legitimate news story on something like the bogus photographs published by Reuters.

Radical thinkers appear on the thread with purposefully inciting, propaganda filled rants forcing the thread to be closed. One thinks twice about posting a similar story. In effect certain news is now censored.

In protest to this I am going to post a link to what may be one of the funniest sites now on the internet. But first, some background.

Reuters photographer Adnan Hajj was caught manipulating photos of the war on Lebanon. Among the photos he was accused of manipulating were photos of a guy in a green helmet among the aid workers after the bombing in Qana. He appeared to be all over the scene posed in what were impossible placements when you looked at the time stamps of the photographs.

Here then is the Green Helmet guy's very own website.

http://greenhelmetguy.blogspot.com/

[soulxtc]

Radical thinkers appear on the thread with purposefully inciting, propaganda filled rants forcing the thread to be closed. One thinks twice about posting a similar story. In effect certain news is now censored.

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Excellent point. Smacks of a sort of "reverse-censorship" and that maybe steps ought to be taken to address the "ranters" versus those that simply analyze and listen to information in a reasonable manner. Sometimes the "radicals" have a way of wearing people down to the point that you just want peace and quiet. Maybe the peace and quiet is when should u know somethings wrong.

I hope u dont mind will merge this thread with that old "reuters picture doctoring" thread and will reopen.......


I like these 2 pics from that Green Hornet Site...

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/991/2000228074770061898_rs.jpg

http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/4277/2001282056612477555_rs.jpg

[mfgbypooter]

Dad! Next year I get to behead the turkey!

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/1752/1224018250966018027_rs.jpg

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[soulxtc]

Dad! Next year I get to behead the turkey!

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/1752/1224018250966018027_rs.jpg

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That Green Hornet guy is like "wheres waldo."

[mfgbypooter]

I think it's helmet not hornet, like, he's a helmet head.


...put a helmet on that soldier!...

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[Unsueable Davey Brown]

My favourite is this one, because it spoofs both right and left wing propaganda. I'll never be able to listen to "Ballad of the Green Berets" again without smiling.


The Ballad of Green Helmet Guy

[To the tune of "The Ballad of the Green Berets"]

You see him on the TV...everywhere he seems to be
Always where some people die...he is known as Green Helmet Guy

If a building has been hit...he will be all over it
He's always where some people die...and he is known as Green Helmet Guy

He'll appear out of the blue...he seems to know what to do
Always where some people die...he is known as Green Helmet Guy

Lebanon is his home base...he has such an honest face
He's always where some people die...and he is known as Green Helmet Guy

Hezbollah is needing press...so he'll show up and looked distressed
Always where some people die...he is known as Green Helmet Guy

There is a drone above his head...omigosh, he will soon be dead
He'd always been where people die...we will miss the Green Helmet Guy

[Lyrics by poetic dhimmi doug from upland!]

http://greenhelmetguy.blogspot.com/

[soulxtc]

Here's a new one, so love it.

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/4263/2000650570039187508_rs.jpg

[cheapprick]

Not an unbiased source but an effective presentation. (http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/Photo_Fraud_in_Lebanon.asp)

[moneoa]

and now for something completely different
The mossad are reported to be building the ultimate weapon against the rebel Lebonnese troops
yeah they use nunchaku in Lebannon......

[moneoa]

Soul...I was being lazy and trying to grab your image tag in your last post and ugh...accidentaly replaced it with another green helmet dude
yeah I was too lazy to type

[soulxtc]

Soul...I was being lazy and trying to grab your image tag in your last post and ugh...accidentaly replaced it with another green helmet dude
yeah I was too lazy to type

No problem, the one u put up is pretty funny as well.......now where is the dam bookmark for that page.....


FOUND IT.

http://aycu08.webshots.com/image/2367/2006189267175367426_rs.jpg

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/2269/2000176423995445659_rs.jpg

[mfgbypooter]

http://imageigloo.com/images/6721bhhelmet.gif


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[soulxtc]

I like that one too, but wanted to see as little as possible of ol' Hillary in a bathing suit......... yuck. :( I think she' s got a thing for cheeseburgers as well.

[mfgbypooter]

better a bathing suit than her birthday suit.

And I'm willing to bet she likes tuna salad more than a big mac or whopper.

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[Unsueable Davey Brown]

In fairness, wanna see both sides of Green Helmet Guy story?

First journalist Kathy Gannon presents the Associated Press side of the story, then a video is shown of one of GHG's actual fauxtograph sessions.

http://wizbangblog.com/2006/08/12/and-the-first-green-helmet-award-winner-is.php

And just in case the video didn't work for you, here's GHG fearlessly at work elsewhere.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html

[soulxtc]

better a bathing suit than her birthday suit.

And I'm willing to bet she likes tuna salad more than a big mac or whopper.

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Crazy pooter, always have a way with words........and yeah I'm thinking she prefers the tuna salad...:icon_rend