was it a plane who hit PENTAGON on 9/11?

[infoseeker]

i saw also some plane wreckage in accident crash but this one is quetionable
and not because i saw the video, why there is no video from PENTAGON on that accicdent? they are the one of the most secured building in this planet, specialy their walls

i play again and again, now im in doubt also?

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...play=true#Main

im not been got out in my country, nor go to US
can somebody give any opinion on the video?

[Auggie2k]

Haha my brother and I only watched that video yesterday. There is no doubt that it was a missile and not a plane, its ridiculously obvious.

[infoseeker]

Haha my brother and I only watched that video yesterday. There is no doubt that it was a missile and not a plane, its ridiculously obvious.

i agree with you

i saw some video (in different angle) when the WTC hitting by airplane
but surely i didnt see any video when Pentagon hitting by airplane

[shawners]

All i know is that there were very fast to clean the mess up and rebuild it. Its kind of shocking how no one got a clear cut picture of it, but the passengers on the plane are reported dead. So what really happen to them if they didnt crash into the building? If it were a missle, where did the missle come from and how did someone go about getting it in the usa and traveling with it around, and where was it launched from?

[Mels_Smileys45]

I wonder what they did with the real missing plane and all the people on board. I guess Bush killed em.



There is no way a lie or cover up involving this many people woule ever work. Its a shitty video, it was a plane, I'm so tired of this crap.

[Potato]

I'm not entirely sure what was supposed to be linked to up there in that first post, but here are the first three results when I searched "pentagon" on that website.

9/11 Pentagon Attack On Tape (http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/28834/9_11_Pentagon_Attack_On_Tape.html)
9/11 In Plane Sight Part 1 (http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/35975/911_In_Plane_Sight_Part_1.html)
9/11 In Plane Sight Part 2 (http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/35846/911_In_Plane_Sight_Part_2.html)

And here's something I have. It's an hour and 21 minutes long.
9/11 Staged by USA: Evidence (http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/12047/9_11_Staged_by_USA_Evidence)

[lifehacker]

I wonder what they did with the real missing plane and all the people on board. I guess Bush killed em.



There is no way a lie or cover up involving this many people woule ever work. Its a shitty video, it was a plane, I'm so tired of this crap.
I fully agree with you. Just because you hate Bush dosent mean that you have to make something up out every incident that involves him and is a little suspicious.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

was it a plane who hit PENTAGON on 9/11?

Yes...and the plane's name was Ed.

[TheScaryOne]

But you know what the bad news is? It was a girl plane!

>.> <.<

[DwarfBaby]

Not this crap again. Common sense is a virtue apparently left to only a few. Before I get flamed for saying that, just think about what you're saying.

In order for this to be true. The plane that would of hit the Pentagon must have been shot down by Bush. Then he fired a missile at the pentagon. The whole thing must of been orchestrated by Bush because in order to do this he would have had to know in advance. I'm sure the planes that hit the towers were remote controlled by the terrorists staying in the Lincoln bedroom for the week. Of course Mohammad Atta is Bush's lover and the whole thing was thought up over tea and crumpets one early morning as a wayto justify an Iraqi invasion.

Or you can except the fact that it was truly a sad day in our history when a bunch of Religious wacko fucks hijacked a plane and flew it into a building.

And by the way you guys give the Bush Administration way to much credit. They are a bunch of god damned morons not terrorists (unless you live in Iraq in which case they are terrorists)

[shawners]

THe victoms of the pentagon attack.
CREW
Charles Burlingame, 51, Herndon, Va.*
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/cfburling3.htm
David M. Charlebois, 39, Washington, D.C*
Michele Heidenberger, 57, Chevy Chase, Md.*
Jennifer Lewis, 38, Culpeper, Virginia*
Kenneth Lewis, 49, Culpeper, Virginia*
Renee A. May, 39, Baltimore, Md*

PASSENGERS
Paul Ambrose, 32, Washington, D.C.*
Yeneneh Betru, 35, Burbank, Calif*
Mary Jane (MJ) Booth, 64, Falls Church, Va.*
Bernard Curtis Brown, 11, Washington, D.C.*
Suzanne Calley, 42, San Martin, Calif.*
William Caswell, 54, Silver Spring, Md.*
Sarah Clark, 65, Columbia, Md.*
Zandra Cooper, Annandale, Va.*
Asia Cottom, 11, Washington, D.C.*
James Debeuneure, 58, Upper Marlboro, Md.*
Rodney Dickens, 11, Washington, D.C.*
Eddie Dillard, Alexandria, Va.*
Charles Droz, 52, Springfield, Va.*
Barbara G. Edwards, 58, Las Vegas, Nev.*
Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, University Park, Md.*
Zoe Falkenberg, 8, University Park, Md.*
Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Md.*
James Joe Ferguson, 39, Washington, D.C.*
Wilson "Bud" Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va.*
Darlene Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va.*
Richard Gabriel, 54, Great Falls, Va.*
Ian J. Gray, 55, Columbia, Md.*
Stanley Hall, 68, Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif.*
Bryan Jack, 48, Alexandria, Va.*
Steven D. Jacoby, 43, Alexandria, Va.*
Ann Judge, 49, Great Falls, Va.*
Chandler Keller, 29, El Segundo, Calif.*
Yvonne Kennedy, 62, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia*
Norma Khan, 45, Reston, Va.*
Karen A. Kincaid, 40, Washington, D.C.*
Dong Lee, 48, Leesburg, Va.*
Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, Calif.*
Christopher Newton, 38, Anaheim, Calif.*
Barbara Olson, 45, Great Falls, Va*
Ruben Ornedo, 39, Los Angeles, Calif.*
Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, Calif.*
Robert R. Ploger, 59, Annandale, Va.*
Lisa J. Raines, 42, Great Falls, Va.*
Todd Reuben, 40, Potomac, Maryland*
John Sammartino, 37, Annandale, Va.*
Diane Simmons, Great Falls, Va.*
George Simmons, Great Falls, Va.*
Mari-Rae Sopper, 35, Santa Barbara, Calif.*
Robert Speisman, 47, Irvington, N.Y*
Norma Lang Steuerle, 54, Alexandria, Va.*
Hilda E. Taylor, 62, Forestville, Md*
Leonard Taylor, 44, Reston, Va.*
Sandra Teague, 31, Fairfax, Va.*
Leslie A. Whittington, 45, University Park, Maryland.*
John D. Yamnicky, 71, Waldorf, Md.*
Vicki Yancey, 43, Springfield, Va.*
Shuyin Yang, 61, Beijing, China*
Yuguag Zheng, 65, Beijing, China*

[DwarfBaby]

Thanks Shawners, good link. It makes it seem more "real" when you read of the lives of those involved. I'm sure there are 58 other life stories as well (59 passengers and crew died).

It's easy to say anything you want no matter how ridiculous it sounds and with very little proof. But throughout my life I've come to realize the simplest explanation is almost always the true explanation.

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. I have no doubt.

.

[shawners]

I think they said 125 people in the pentagon died, let me post this link.
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm

[infoseeker]

how about this one?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12818225/

can you says it was a plane?

[infoseeker]

From a geek "insomniac"
Conspiracy theorists are a dime-a-dozen. Anyone can come up with theories, but it's facts that tell the real story.
I've said this before, but I really feel for the victims and their families having this rubbish planted in their minds.
And it doesn't just stop with 9/11.
The Holocaust didn't happen, man didn't walk on the moon, aliens have landed on earth and the government covered it up, the Bird Flu is a Zionist conspiracy, AIDS was started by the CIA, JFK was assassinated by his own government, and so on.....

[DwarfBaby]

how about this one?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12818225/

can you says it was a plane?

No, but if it's a missile it's the biggest freaking missile I've ever seen. Maybe the Pentagon was struck by an American ICBM that looks like a plane and somehow flew horizontally (like a plane) into the building, exploded and burned like a gasoline/kerosene fire (missiles explode not burn).

Somehow people try hard to ignore common sense but you cannot ignore science. But then again there’s still the little matter of 59 dead souls and a lost plane.

To get some perspective the Pentagon is a massive structure consuming 30 acres and standing 6 stories tall. Even a Jetliner looks small in comparison but then common sense isn’t as common as one might think.

[Mels_Smileys45]

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

[DwarfBaby]

I've also never known a missile to have a landing gear. But I'm sure Bush would of planted that ahead of time anyways being he is an alien lizard who sometimes takes on human form and can predict the future despite his otherwise consistent confused look.

[Mels_Smileys45]

A highly offensive video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqNGg17rWY&search=9/11

[DwarfBaby]

What? That's not that offensive. That's about how I reacted. My brother called me and woke me up and said they're attacking New York. I said I'm on vacation and your on crack who the hell would attack New York and Why? Little did I know my wages would triple in the next three years because of it.

I know that sounds bad but I didn't plan 9/11 anymore then Bush did and I am sorry for those that died but fate is an underhanded bitch and I don't understand why people can't believe 5 Muslim assholes hijacked a plane the same freakin morning 14 other Muslim assholes hijacked 3 other planes. Altogether that's 1368 virgin's waiting for them in heaven. Little do they know virgin's suck and 72 of them is Hell on Earth not heaven.

[Theinfamousone]

How did your wages triple? Well, after watching that video that Potato posted, I'd say the simplest explaination isn't so simple anymore. Because it sure doesn't look like a plane would've done that kind of damaged. I still haven't seen any pictures with any kind of plane parts at the pentagon. Unless someone has some, I kind of doubt it was a plane. It looks more like the Oklahoma City bomibng.

[DwarfBaby]

How did your wages triple? Well, after watching that video that Potato posted, I'd say the simplest explaination isn't so simple anymore. Because it sure doesn't look like a plane would've done that kind of damaged. I still haven't seen any pictures with any kind of plane parts at the pentagon. Unless someone has some, I kind of doubt it was a plane. It looks more like the Oklahoma City bomibng.

No, it really is that simple. They recovered many parts from the wreckage (don't close your eyes simply ask google). Keep in mind aluminum melts at 1220 degrees and jet fuel will burn at just over 2,000 degrees AKA you're not going to find a whole plane. Also keep in mind almost no debris was found in the World Trade Centers either but most people will admit planes actually hit them.

Coincidence or just common sense.

[Mels_Smileys45]

One of the links I posted shows plane parts. Its realy hard to say what a plane vs the Pentagon would look like unless you take the pics at face value. The walls of this building are very, very dense and not at all like a plane hitting the ground. At the speed it hit, I doubt much would be left to take pictures of. There are some pics though and I'm sure someone would have seen anyone trying to "salt" the site with fake debris.


But, its always good to ask questions. Its just my opinion based on some hard core facts, that flight 77 did in fact, crash into the Pentagon. I wish people would question the bible with the same zeal as an event, caught on video no less, with lots of real evidence. Many people will readily believe a man (Jonah) could live in a whales belly for 3 days but can't come to terms with a plane hitting a building. Strange days indeed as John Lennon once said in song. Strange days indeed

[DwarfBaby]

But, its always good to ask questions. Its just my opinion based on some hard core facts, that flight 77 did in fact, crash into the Pentagon. I wish people would question the bible with the same zeal as an event, caught on video no less, with lots of real evidence. Many people will readily believe a man (Jonah) could live in a whales belly for 3 days but can't come to terms with a plane hitting a building. Strange days indeed as John Lennon once said in song. Strange days indeed


A-fucking-men. And why was Joshua commanded to commit genocide on millions of innocent people when apparently that's considered bad nowadays.

[Theinfamousone]

A-fucking-men. And why was Joshua commanded to commit genocide on millions of innocent people when apparently that's considered bad nowadays.

Not to mention the millions of Israelites that God himself killed.

That's BECAUSE it was just their time to die, they weren't going to progress anymore unless they leave earth.

[shawners]

I was watching the movie last night called, "Why We Fight.' (Comes out Tuesday so get yourself a copy of it and watch it)
They had a video with Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with saddam hussein when they put him in power. They gave him weapons to ward off Iran, and others.. And they were shocked and amazed when in the nineties he invaded kuwait. Thats when they knew they had to take him out. Its a good look into what we have become and what will keep happening to us.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm

[nukehella]

My boss and I were stuck in DC on 9/11.We were watching the smoke and it turns out we were both thinking the same thing.How and why did Bush do it?(Bush being not so much the current president but the whole hellish nighmare going back to Prescott Bush and his Greatest Nazi Hits )
I've seen or heard nothing to make me distrust my initial instincts.I actually sat down and approximated the millions of $ reaped per body(without any whacko shit like"The price of oil increased by X therefore profiting so and so) but it got to depressing.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

One of the links I posted shows plane parts. Its realy hard to say what a plane vs the Pentagon would look like unless you take the pics at face value. The walls of this building are very, very dense and not at all like a plane hitting the ground. At the speed it hit, I doubt much would be left to take pictures of. There are some pics though and I'm sure someone would have seen anyone trying to "salt" the site with fake debris.


But, its always good to ask questions. Its just my opinion based on some hard core facts, that flight 77 did in fact, crash into the Pentagon. I wish people would question the bible with the same zeal as an event, caught on video no less, with lots of real evidence. Many people will readily believe a man (Jonah) could live in a whales belly for 3 days but can't come to terms with a plane hitting a building. Strange days indeed as John Lennon once said in song. Strange days indeed

Well said, Mels.:icon_thum

[shawners]

Well said, Mels.:icon_thum

Yeah, its not everyday mel hijacks a thread like an american airline and direct to a religious topic rather then "a plane hit the pentagon."
Well it is everyday.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

I don't believe this thread was "hijacked." He was just stating a point. He stuck to the topic and then went a step further.

[the great one]

Some people will believe anything:icon_shak .A plane hit the pentegon,case closed.

[.:sp00ky:.]

A plane didn't crash into the pentagon it "'landed" into the pentagon.

[mp3MaStA88]

I've seen this before and it really got me thinking if everything that happened on 9/11 is real or just planned out(besides the plane attacks on the trade center, I believe that because of the footage on the news)

[Mels_Smileys45]

I don't believe this thread was "hijacked." He was just stating a point. He stuck to the topic and then went a step further.


Thanks LOTD. Will the real Hijacker puleaze stand up!!!? Who went to left field, jumped the fence, drove to my house and got up in my cool-aid jar? Step away from the cool-aid son! Around my parts wars have been started fer less.

Just to stay on topic, uhhh, yah, a big ol fucking plane hit the Pentagram-er gon.

[Mostly.]

When I first heard about this cover-up theory, I read some of the 'evidence', the most amusing of which was the following (I paraphrase)
"If a plane had it the Pentagon, it would have made a bigger hole because the plane's wingspan is over a 100 foot."
Basically, the theory rested on Tom and Jerry logic; the hole should be the same size and shape as the plane!
No thought as to distortion caused by impact, fire, or explosion.

And sorry to drag this off-topic, but I loved it when, during the 2004 Election campaign, and trying to intimate that Kerry would leave the country vulnerable to attack, Bush said
"Not on my watch."
Hhmm... who was President on 11/9/2001?

[MP3Pr0]

If you have an open mind about things and would like to see some extremely interesting aspects of the whole 9/11 incident (as well as other events), I encourage you to watch the following movies:

* Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State. By Alex Jones.
* 911: The Road to Tyranny. By Alex Jones.
* Terrorstorm. By Alex Jones.

These are ready available on the eDonkey network as well as others.

[Mostly.]

If you have an open mind about things and would like to see some extremely interesting aspects of the whole 9/11 incident (as well as other events), I encourage you to watch...Did anyone see "The Power of Nightmares"?

It was a 3 part BBC prog which traced the rise of both Islamic anti-Western fundamentalism and the U.S. Government's use of fear as a means of control.

Again, an open mind is needed, but some fascinating ideas are posited.

[Auggie2k]

Plane hit the twin towers - really happened, not planned. That speculation is ridiculous.

No plane hit the pentagon - its obvious it wasnt a plane, a missile most likely. The footage proves it.

[SeaPlankton]

The US government hit their own buildings with 2 passenger jets, as the muslim world was united against them and they were losing the fight in Iraq. This unites the world against their terroist threat. And AIDS is genetically altered.

Hypothesis.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Plane hit the twin towers - really happened, not planned. That speculation is ridiculous.

No plane hit the pentagon - its obvious it wasnt a plane, a missile most likely. The footage proves it.


That film footage proves nothing of the kind. Its like 10 frames a second and very poor quality. There is no way of catching anything moving at a high rate of speed using that kind of video. Thats why no one can tell what it is the video shows. Hell, why say a missle, maybe it was superman or a snot rocket.

There was actually plenty of evidence on site that a plane left behind, I guess they (who?) could have stuffed the missle full of plane parts or perhaps the emergency workers were in on this too, along with the hundreds of missing people who must be laughing their ass off at the trick they played on their families. This is so insulting to the dead people its enough to make me sick. sorry

Who launched a missle, where was it launched from and why didn't anyone see how or where the missle was launched from? Surly if it was a long range missle, many, many people would have seen it flying over their houses and whatnot. If it was a short range missle surly many people would have noticed a launcher that would be able to launch a missle that size. The missle would have to be huge! A ten story missle would draw a huge crowd.


This missle theory boarders on insanity. Its so stupid I can't believe people even consider it. Think about the "what ifs" for awhile and you can rule out a missle really easily.

[Theinfamousone]

I don't think it was a missile, although I suppose it's possible. The fact is that there are open books and stuff sitting inches away from where an international plane with hundreds of gallons of jet fuel blew up without getting burned, something is up there. A missile is a dumb alternate explanation because why wouldn't they just say theye were hit by a missile? That would have the same effect as a hijacked plane except make it so that less people would worry about flying I guess (although the twin towers planes made that happen anyway).

[Auggie2k]

A small plane maybe? Definately not a fully fueled 747.

[cjules13]

For all those who don't think a plane hit the Pentagon, then will you PLEASE explain where all these people are?

THe victoms of the pentagon attack.
CREW
Charles Burlingame, 51, Herndon, Va.*
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/cfburling3.htm
David M. Charlebois, 39, Washington, D.C*
Michele Heidenberger, 57, Chevy Chase, Md.*
Jennifer Lewis, 38, Culpeper, Virginia*
Kenneth Lewis, 49, Culpeper, Virginia*
Renee A. May, 39, Baltimore, Md*

PASSENGERS
Paul Ambrose, 32, Washington, D.C.*
Yeneneh Betru, 35, Burbank, Calif*
Mary Jane (MJ) Booth, 64, Falls Church, Va.*
Bernard Curtis Brown, 11, Washington, D.C.*
Suzanne Calley, 42, San Martin, Calif.*
William Caswell, 54, Silver Spring, Md.*
Sarah Clark, 65, Columbia, Md.*
Zandra Cooper, Annandale, Va.*
Asia Cottom, 11, Washington, D.C.*
James Debeuneure, 58, Upper Marlboro, Md.*
Rodney Dickens, 11, Washington, D.C.*
Eddie Dillard, Alexandria, Va.*
Charles Droz, 52, Springfield, Va.*
Barbara G. Edwards, 58, Las Vegas, Nev.*
Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, University Park, Md.*
Zoe Falkenberg, 8, University Park, Md.*
Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Md.*
James Joe Ferguson, 39, Washington, D.C.*
Wilson "Bud" Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va.*
Darlene Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va.*
Richard Gabriel, 54, Great Falls, Va.*
Ian J. Gray, 55, Columbia, Md.*
Stanley Hall, 68, Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif.*
Bryan Jack, 48, Alexandria, Va.*
Steven D. Jacoby, 43, Alexandria, Va.*
Ann Judge, 49, Great Falls, Va.*
Chandler Keller, 29, El Segundo, Calif.*
Yvonne Kennedy, 62, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia*
Norma Khan, 45, Reston, Va.*
Karen A. Kincaid, 40, Washington, D.C.*
Dong Lee, 48, Leesburg, Va.*
Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, Calif.*
Christopher Newton, 38, Anaheim, Calif.*
Barbara Olson, 45, Great Falls, Va*
Ruben Ornedo, 39, Los Angeles, Calif.*
Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, Calif.*
Robert R. Ploger, 59, Annandale, Va.*
Lisa J. Raines, 42, Great Falls, Va.*
Todd Reuben, 40, Potomac, Maryland*
John Sammartino, 37, Annandale, Va.*
Diane Simmons, Great Falls, Va.*
George Simmons, Great Falls, Va.*
Mari-Rae Sopper, 35, Santa Barbara, Calif.*
Robert Speisman, 47, Irvington, N.Y*
Norma Lang Steuerle, 54, Alexandria, Va.*
Hilda E. Taylor, 62, Forestville, Md*
Leonard Taylor, 44, Reston, Va.*
Sandra Teague, 31, Fairfax, Va.*
Leslie A. Whittington, 45, University Park, Maryland.*
John D. Yamnicky, 71, Waldorf, Md.*
Vicki Yancey, 43, Springfield, Va.*
Shuyin Yang, 61, Beijing, China*
Yuguag Zheng, 65, Beijing, China*

[WonderNerd]

Okay - let's look at this from a different perspective. First off, I'm sure that Bush didn't fire a missile at the Pentagon because that would have just been stupid, and the US Government isn't exactly "stupid." Following up on that fact, if Bush had givin the order to fire on the pentagon, it would have been declined, and the question of his authority would have been raised.

This means that if it were a missile, it must have come from somewhere else. Two words -
NOT HAPPENING. America has a very tight missile defense system, and any missile travelling in range anywhere from North Korea to Britian would have been accuratly tracked and shot down. That's a good 12,000 miles of unpenetrable RADAR range.

So how did they do it? My theory is that it was in fact a plane. Now, it may seem obvious that when compared to the Trade Buildings, the crash site of the Pentagon seems to have a smaller hole. First off - the World Trade Center has buildings that primarily consist of glass, and glass is weaker than reinforced concrete. Thus, when the plane hit the towers, it lodged it's self a good way into them.

But, concrete is a different story. First off, look at the wings of the plane - perhaps the weakest part. They also carry a large portion of fuel. When the plane hit the Pentagon, the fuel ignited and exploded, resulting in the large fireball. The fuselage, on the other hand, can be related to a bullet. The force of the impact of the body of the aircraft is much more than that of the wings, because F = M / A. The weight of the centerpiece is atleast 200,000 pounds. That's more than enough force to shove some titanium-reinforced aluminum through concrete. That's my view.

[Auggie2k]

...and the US Government isn't exactly "stupid"
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[WonderNerd]

Okay, so it has some flaws, but give Bush a break.

[.:sp00ky:.]

id hit the pentangon, thats one sexy building.

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. By focusing on this one event of 9/11, which because of the shoddy video makes it center of many a conspiricy theory even though clear evidence in the form of video shows the smoking gun that 9/11 was an inside job, I am speaking of World Trade Center 7 that fell in the EXACT manner of a controlled demolition, which didnt even show up in the 9/11 Commission Report (Omission more like it) and really why would a 47 story building falling for no reason other than small fires on 2 of the floors make the report? Nevermind the fact Larry Silverstein admitted on camera he made the decision to "pull" the building, a term used in controlled demolition. Just watch the building go down and tell me small fires on a couple floors did that. http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html second video down

[Mels_Smileys45]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. By focusing on this one event of 9/11, which because of the shoddy video makes it center of many a conspiricy theory even though clear evidence in the form of video shows the smoking gun that 9/11 was an inside job, I am speaking of World Trade Center 7 that fell in the EXACT manner of a controlled demolition, which didnt even show up in the 9/11 Commission Report (Omission more like it) and really why would a 47 story building falling for no reason other than small fires on 2 of the floors make the report? Nevermind the fact Larry Silverstein admitted on camera he made the decision to "pull" the building, a term used in controlled demolition. Just watch the building go down and tell me small fires on a couple floors did that. http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html second video down



Ive been to a controlled demolition of a fairly large buiding, not nearly the size of these buildings and believe me, if it was a controlled event it would be obvious. There are many very loud explosions. Now how would no one notice the entire building being wired with a massive amount of explosives? A project that sive would take weeks, perhaps longer to set up.
Ive heard of this theory too and it just shows how silly people are. ABL really did his job well. He had a lot of people killed (which he admits too!) and made the American public question their own government about it. I wonder did he even see that aspect of the deal before hand.

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

Ive been to a controlled demolition of a fairly large buiding, not nearly the size of these buildings and believe me, if it was a controlled event it would be obvious. There are many very loud explosions. Now how would no one notice the entire building being wired with a massive amount of explosives? A project that sive would take weeks, perhaps longer to set up.
Ive heard of this theory too and it just shows how silly people are. ABL really did his job well. He had a lot of people killed (which he admits too!) and made the American public question their own government about it. I wonder did he even see that aspect of the deal before hand.

NEWSFLASH, PEOPLE DID NOTICE INCLUDING FIREFIGHTERS AT THE SCENE. its funny how the newspeople on that day compared it to controlled demolition but then quickly dropped that "theory" once the government told them what "really" happened. I know its hard to believe our own government would do this to us, and its only a small minority with alot of power, but seriously just look up OPERATION NORTHWOODS, here I did it for you http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

[SeaPlankton]

"F = M / A", also you should do your algebra in lower case and describe the factors. Force, Mass, and Acceleration!

Marilyn Monroe had eleven toes, did she count to 21 like, H15.

[cjules13]

C'mon dudes, it's not F = m/a, it's F = m*a anyway and for purpose of this argument is kind of obscure. You don't really know what "a" is, it's "g" for the vertical vector and a bascially unknown horizontal vector component. You could look it up, but then you have an answer "F" in Newtons, which still add nothing to your argument.

Try to leave out the math and just say yes, it is quite possible for this hole to appear the way it did, unless you really want to bring out the supporting math and show me how x Newtons of force can penetrate said very complex target.

[Mels_Smileys45]

NEWSFLASH, PEOPLE DID NOTICE INCLUDING FIREFIGHTERS AT THE SCENE. its funny how the newspeople on that day compared it to controlled demolition but then quickly dropped that "theory" once the government told them what "really" happened. I know its hard to believe our own government would do this to us, and its only a small minority with alot of power, but seriously just look up OPERATION NORTHWOODS, here I did it for you http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html



They noticed it "looked" controlled as did everyone else who saw the Twin Towers as well. The buildings fell straight down because of fire. With a controlled demo you hear hundreds of explosions one after the other, then the building falls. This is clearly not the case with this building. No one saw anyone wiring up the massive builing with tons of tnt, that would have took months, despite the millions of people who had to pass by in that time frame. Who would want to be in a building, working, while it was being wired and beams were being cut out to weaken the structure. Anyone who knows how this process works also knows there is no way this theory holds water. For gods sake, this is silly


Now im not saying the government is beyond doing some crazy shit to stir up war sentiment. I actually told some freinds at work I thought Bush would do something once the Military budget was in danger of being cut. I just don't happen to think there was a need to blow up a building after two planes hit the Twin Towers and killed hundreds of people. Why blow up another building? The damage is already done. Adding some fake bullshit like this or a missle hitting the Pentagon doesn't makes any sense at all. There is not any logic to why they would fake other parts of the attack when two planes hitting the towers was plenty to spark off a war. Its these types of crazy (nutter) theories that actually hurt proving Bush was in bed with ABL all along.

[DwarfBaby]

NEWSFLASH, PEOPLE DID NOTICE INCLUDING FIREFIGHTERS AT THE SCENE. its funny how the newspeople on that day compared it to controlled demolition but then quickly dropped that "theory" once the government told them what "really" happened. I know its hard to believe our own government would do this to us, and its only a small minority with alot of power, but seriously just look up OPERATION NORTHWOODS, here I did it for you http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

Why stop at that, there are actually reports and incontrovertible evidence that Bush is in fact a Shape-shifting Reptilian. Many people have actually seen him change form as indicated from this Excerpt from David Icke's book "The Biggest Secret" located at this link http://www.geocities.com/Area51/shadowlands/6583/et042.html

As a matter fact the entire lizard alliance has been uncovered and the hierarchy as well as spiritually leaders can found at this link http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=14183_0_5_0_C

In conclusion I have decided to completely ignore common sense altogether. I now believe 9/11 was not a product Islamic terrorists but rather an Alien Reptile conspiracy and if you look at the evidence I have presented you will believe as well.

[mfgbypooter]

ROTFLMAO!

Sounds like someone has been smoking some weed straight out of a Cheech & Chong movie.

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[DwarfBaby]

Shit the link went dead but I found a better one.

http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/

[mfgbypooter]

There's only one salvation.

An Effective, Low-Cost Solution To Combating Mind-Control (http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html)


And don't forget Sparky.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/saskboy/ebay/imperviousikesmall.jpg


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[boogiedan]

hell wotever
every1 knows
just listen 2 alex jones(get torrentin)
also terror storm
the goverment r sick n jesus christ is returning
just explore

[MP3Pr0]

To be wrapped up in this Pentagon issue is missing out on the big picture. For the less feeble-minded who want to know the truth behind the things hidden in plain view, watch videos from Alex Jones and Texe Marrs (readily available on eDonkey and others). Those are just two sources, of which I consider to be the most significant. If anything though, definetely go to the following page and watch the videos there:
http://www.iratecinemaunderground.com/whatisfascism.html

And if you can't fathom the idea of our government carrying out terror attacks on its own people for their own benefit, simply do a search for "Northwoods" on Google and read the declassified Northwoods government document.

Everyone else, keeping making jokes and pass it off as nothing. Then wonder what happened in the next years to come...

[MP3Pr0]

With a controlled demo you hear hundreds of explosions one after the other, then the building falls. This is clearly not the case with this building. No one saw anyone wiring up the massive builing with tons of tnt, that would have took months,

I wonder what the firefighters who were actually inside the buildings have to say about that, as well as structural engineers. What a minute - ! - it's already in Alex Jones' video: Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State. As well as a growing number of other videos. People are waking up to this in growing numbers. Check it out.

[DwarfBaby]

And if you can't fathom the idea of our government carrying out terror attacks on its own people for their own benefit, simply do a search for "Northwoods" on Google and read the declassified Northwoods government document.


Sure, I can fathom our government carrying out terror attacks on its own people. I can also fathom religious fucktards© carrying out terror attacks.

The person who believes the US Government is capable of a conspiracy/ cover-up of this grand a scale has apparently never seen the Government hard at work before.


© Copyright krell inc.

[soulxtc]

Hmm, interesting video, but as somebody who has been in the miltary I GUARANTEE YOU there would be no way that anyone in the armed forces would have participated in this, and also there'd be no way that somebody wouldn't come forward and spill the beans.

Its just like anytime that something so shocking happens, people are convinced that greater powers must be involved, that single individuals couldnt be capable of something so heinous.

Its like WW2, in that people are convinced FDR knew that the Japs were going to attack Pearl Harbor and he didnt act so that we would be attacked and thereby determined to fight the war. Its BS.

[soulxtc]

I wonder what the firefighters who were actually inside the buildings have to say about that, as well as structural engineers. What a minute - ! - it's already in Alex Jones' video: Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State. As well as a growing number of other videos. People are waking up to this in growing numbers. Check it out.

Police state my arss, the UK has a much greater degree of control, or surveillance, on the population than here by a huge degree.

Britain is acknowledged as the world leader of Orwellian surveillance. An estimated 4.2 million closed-circuit TV cameras observe people going about their everyday business, from getting on a bus to lining up at the bank to driving around London. It's widely estimated that the average Briton is scrutinized by 300 cameras a day.
http://infowars.net/articles/april2006/170406watching.htm

The ones that have the biggest eye on your life are corporations, in the way that they buy and sell your life history, credit, etc..

People give our Govt too much credit sometimes, and ultimately, as Proff in College told me, which is so true, its your local elected officials that ultimately have the most control over your daily life, be it by smoking ordinances, curfews, etc.

[Mostly.]

I am speaking of World Trade Center 7 that fell in the EXACT manner of a controlled demolition Hhmm... I hadn't heard about this until today, and I have to say, it is intriguing.

A bit of research reveals that the World Trade Center 7 building housed not only the Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt (with a 6,000-gallon diesel fuel tank!), but also offices for the U.S. Secret Service.

The above details taken from http://www.serendipity.li/wot/7wtc.html

My favourite quote comes from the U.S. Secret Service
"All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran -- the number three guy in that office. "We lost our network, we lost all our computers, we lost all the equipment that we use as Secret Service Agents. Everything from machine guns to our shotguns to our electronic equipment that we use."

All the evidence? Ever heard of backups?

The most interesting thing on the page that Pirate linked to is this image
http://www.prisonplanet.com/pp190104wtc.jpg

If debris from WTC 1 and WTC 2 did fall on WTC 7, it would have done so several hours before WTC 7 collapsed.

Maybe with the shock and commotion casued by the Twin Towers going down, no-one noticed.

But it does seem a little odd that the building went down like a sack of spuds.

Even so, just because something can not be explained, it doesn't mean there is a 'bad' reason.

[Mels_Smileys45]

with a 6,000-gallon diesel fuel tank!


That would be a good enough reason for the structure to fail. Why would anyone even want to control the demo at this point? I mean there is complete destruction all around but yet someone felt the need to control this building to fall nice and neat? Uh huh, like I said, lots of people would have noticed the amount of workers it takes to plan and carry out this sort of job.

Originally Posted by Mels_Smileys45
With a controlled demo you hear hundreds of explosions one after the other, then the building falls. This is clearly not the case with this building. No one saw anyone wiring up the massive builing with tons of tnt, that would have took months,

I wonder what the firefighters who were actually inside the buildings have to say about that, as well as structural engineers. What a minute - ! - it's already in Alex Jones' video: Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State. As well as a growing number of other videos. People are waking up to this in growing numbers. Check it out.


So some people did see a crue of workers wiring up a building they simply could have blown up no questions asked? If people would have heard TNT charges going off there would be no question about this, that shit will rock your chest. People need to start thinking for themselves and not watch these videos made by nuts. There really is no way to cover up an op this large. There would be a few hundred people it would take to do the work, the millions of people who would have been in and out of the area who would have noticed the building being jerry rigged.





Worker: Hey Bill, whys that guy wiring up the office with those sticks of TNT?

Boss Bill : Uhh , thats not TNT, its uhhh a new form of track lighting. Don't worry about it and do your TPS reports ok! BTW, theres going to be some guys in here cutting out these very important I beams that hold up the building but don't worry, just remeber those cover sheets for those TPS reports. YOu did get the memo, right?



Keeping all these people quiet would be impossible. Lots of people would have seen them wiring the building. There is no way to sneak in and wire a high rise for a controlled demo. It aint possible and did not happen.

[Christoph]

I wonder what they did with the real missing plane and all the people on board. I guess Bush killed em.



There is no way a lie or cover up involving this many people woule ever work. Its a shitty video, it was a plane, I'm so tired of this crap.

Yes, I agree with you!
Why should they lie... I mean the terrorists would be happy IF they could attack america with a missle!
I mean realy think about that.

[Christoph]

Hhmm... I hadn't heard about this until today, and I have to say, it is intriguing.

A bit of research reveals that the World Trade Center 7 building housed not only the Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt (with a 6,000-gallon diesel fuel tank!), but also offices for the U.S. Secret Service.

The above details taken from http://www.serendipity.li/wot/7wtc.html

My favourite quote comes from the U.S. Secret Service
"All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran -- the number three guy in that office. "We lost our network, we lost all our computers, we lost all the equipment that we use as Secret Service Agents. Everything from machine guns to our shotguns to our electronic equipment that we use."

All the evidence? Ever heard of backups?

The most interesting thing on the page that Pirate linked to is this image
http://www.prisonplanet.com/pp190104wtc.jpg

If debris from WTC 1 and WTC 2 did fall on WTC 7, it would have done so several hours before WTC 7 collapsed.

Maybe with the shock and commotion casued by the Twin Towers going down, no-one noticed.

But it does seem a little odd that the building went down like a sack of spuds.

Even so, just because something can not be explained, it doesn't mean there is a 'bad' reason.

Your avatar is one of these mullahs,right?
I hope you don't belive in them

[Pooter's Left Nut]

People need to start thinking for themselves and not watch these videos made by nuts.Yeah everyone needs to just watch porn instead.

Watching porn is like watching the tv show COPS.

A nut always get busted at the end.

p

[Mostly.]

Your avatar is one of these mullahs,right?
I hope you don't belive in themActually, it's an Ayatollah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayatollah), not a Mullah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah).

Your avatar sells cigarettes to children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel). I hope that's something you don't advocate.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Actually, it's an Ayatollah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayatollah), not a Mullah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah).

Your avatar sells cigarettes to children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel). I hope that's something you don't advocate.



I wish I could get my avatar to do my evil deeds for me

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

That would be a good enough reason for the structure to fail. Why would anyone even want to control the demo at this point? I mean there is complete destruction all around but yet someone felt the need to control this building to fall nice and neat? Uh huh, like I said, lots of people would have noticed the amount of workers it takes to plan and carry out this sort of job.






So some people did see a crue of workers wiring up a building they simply could have blown up no questions asked? If people would have heard TNT charges going off there would be no question about this, that shit will rock your chest. People need to start thinking for themselves and not watch these videos made by nuts. There really is no way to cover up an op this large. There would be a few hundred people it would take to do the work, the millions of people who would have been in and out of the area who would have noticed the building being jerry rigged.





Worker: Hey Bill, whys that guy wiring up the office with those sticks of TNT?

Boss Bill : Uhh , thats not TNT, its uhhh a new form of track lighting. Don't worry about it and do your TPS reports ok! BTW, theres going to be some guys in here cutting out these very important I beams that hold up the building but don't worry, just remeber those cover sheets for those TPS reports. YOu did get the memo, right?



Keeping all these people quiet would be impossible. Lots of people would have seen them wiring the building. There is no way to sneak in and wire a high rise for a controlled demo. It aint possible and did not happen.

Keeping all of the people quiet is impossible and is the reason why so many people have come out against it including Professor David R. Griffin who in his book "The New Pearl Harbor" goes into deep detail of all the unanswered questions on 9/11. Listen I'm not asking anyone to take what im saying as fact I just want you to do some research and be open minded enough to look at the evidence and draw some real conclusions based on that evidence. Some people will always instantly label alternative ideas as conspiricy theory especially in cases where the alternative theory seems "far fetched" on the surface but as soon as you delve into the information it becomes ever more apparent that this alternative "theory" seems less so with each additional piece of the puzzle.

[Christoph]

Actually, it's an Ayatollah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayatollah), not a Mullah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah).

Your avatar sells cigarettes to children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel). I hope that's something you don't advocate.

At all, I think that you can choose to smoke or not.
But for the Ayatollah it is like, doing what they say or prison.
I have some friends from iran.

I only say that the Iran regim is a very abd regim and that most people in Iran don't belive in it and thats why I wonder that you have a avatar with it.

[mfgbypooter]

Latest Osama sighting

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[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

Side note, whether you believe the government is behind the attacks as a pretext for war and the systematic removal of our civil liberties or you think its just a bunch of conspiricy nonsense I'm glad so many people are at least discussing it. 9/11 is finally falling away from taboo and more of us are talking about it and talk is always a good thing, I thank everyone for at least hearing me and everyone with this "theory" out.

[MP3Pr0]

http://blog.myspace.com/68716760

Heck, even if you don't believe what's going on, some of these videos rival even Hollywood ones!

[Mostly.]

At all, I think that you can choose to smoke or not.
But for the Ayatollah it is like, doing what they say or prison.I can choose whether to smoke or not.

However, I was talking about children, not myself.

The cartoon camel is used to make cigarettes seem fun to children, thus making them more susceptible to the influence of tobacco advertising.

So, children do not choose to smoke;they are persuaded to do so.

I wish I could get my avatar to do my evil deeds for meWell, images are powerful things; we only have to look at the subject of this thread to understand that.

[Christoph]

I can choose whether to smoke or not.

However, I was talking about children, not myself.

The cartoon camel is used to make cigarettes seem fun to children, thus making them more susceptible to the influence of tobacco advertising.

So, children do not choose to smoke;they are persuaded to do so.

Well, images are powerful things; we only have to look at the subject of this thread to understand that.

*lol
At all you diden't answer if you are a radical or not.
Btw I have anew avatar :)

[multi]

911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&e)

If you think it wasn't a passenger jet , still at least check this one out for the 3D

[DwarfBaby]

The thing about “most” conspiracies is although they follow some form of logic they do not require proof. Proof is declared from excessive and consistent use of accusations. Example: “The evidence to the contrary could have been faked” or “the inconsistencies don’t add up”

Simple events or things that appear to be “out of place” can spun into a giant web of unrealistic outcomes though they may seem logical based on a certain set of selected “proofs” or inconsistencies. When other “proofs” to contrary are dismissed as planted evidence or in the case of the missing passengers utterly ignored.

When arguing in favor of a conspiracy of this scale the conspiracy gets larger and much more complicated until it envelops thousands of people in dozens of locations concurrently. Each working towards an ending goal that is usual mysterious and in the case of several posts in this thread lead directly into another conspiracy thereby complicating the issue further.

Finally the biggest contributor to the escalation of a conspiracy is the faulty replication. Someone said something so it most be true and now I will use it as a “proof”. My favorite example in this thread is “the hole is too small for a Jetliner”.


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[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

The thing about “most” conspiracies is although they follow some form of logic they do not require proof. Proof is declared from excessive and consistent use of accusations. Example: “The evidence to the contrary could have been faked” or “the inconsistencies don’t add up”

Simple events or things that appear to be “out of place” can spun into a giant web of unrealistic outcomes though they may seem logical based on a certain set of selected “proofs” or inconsistencies. When other “proofs” to contrary are dismissed as planted evidence or in the case of the missing passengers utterly ignored.

When arguing in favor of a conspiracy of this scale the conspiracy gets larger and much more complicated until it envelops thousands of people in dozens of locations concurrently. Each working towards an ending goal that is usual mysterious and in the case of several posts in this thread lead directly into another conspiracy thereby complicating the issue further.

Finally the biggest contributor to the escalation of a conspiracy is the faulty replication. Someone said something so it most be true and now I will use it as a “proof”. My favorite example in this thread is “the hole is too small for a Jetliner”.


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See again you focus on the weakest parts of this "theory" instead of disproving the strongest points it has to offer, and by doing so only give more credence to "nuts" like me who only ask questions because they remain unanswered. I think you should focus in this case not on the small hole but the fact that the windows on either side of the hole were still intact even though the jet engines in a rational and logical world would have made SOME kind of impact mark and most likely would be buried into the building because those fuckers are heavy, not like the wings which I could let slide because they are lightweight and less likely to cause damage to a building like the pentagon, but as photos show, the windows adjacent to the hole were intact.

Again nobody has yet to explain to me how WTC7 fell, straight down, at near free fall speeds, sysmetrically even though the damage from the towers and even this giant fuel tank someone was talking about in thier post( although I havent researched and cannot say this fuel tank exsist so if you know it does link me to some proof please) would cause asysmetrical damage and therefor the building would fall much differently.

The twin towers themselves were also obvious demolition jobs because not only do they fall in 10 seconds at near free fall speeds but as they fall you can see "squibs" which is very specific to controlled demolition. The "pancake" theory used to explain the speed and absolutness of the collapse, is such a farce, you would have to be (and i have tried so hard from making personnal attacks) retarded. There is video evidence that shows thermate or a superior version of it was used and I have seen this myself from some videos I found online. There was a brightly colored stream of sparks that looked exactly like something you would see in a steel mill or other manufacturing facility. As anyone who can recall that day will know, there were thick poofs of black smoke and very little visible fire, and yet the offical report states it was a raging inferno inside. Now I am by no meas and expert or a genius but with all that smoke there couldnt be very much oxygen inside the building for this raging inferno to take place, thats just my common sense telling me this.

Luckily there are EXPERTS who know what they're talking about telling us the commision report is full of inacurrate information and outright lies. Again I have to mention the 9/11 Comission Report made NO mention of WTC7, NONE. Ladies and gentlemen, something is seriously wrong with that.WTC7 was 47 stories and housed the New York City Office of Emergency Management (OEM), a facility that was, according to testimony to the 9-11 Commission, one of the most sophisticated Emergency Command Centers on the planet. But shortly after 5:20 pm on Sept. 11, as the horrific day was coming to a close, WTC7 mysteriously imploded and fell to the ground in an astounding 6.5 seconds. Now did I mention that buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6 were struck by massive amounts of debris from the collapsing Twin Towers, yet none collapsed, despite their thin-gauge steel supports? If that doesn't rasie your eyebrows then go back to your sheeplike life and be ignorant of the slaughter.

[GiR]

All the proof in the world won't budge stubborn people. I for one, think 9/11 had to have been an inside job, there are just WAAAY too many factors to claim that the 'official' story was 100% true. I doubt even one person on this thread believes the WHOLE official story, especially with all the other lies the governments been caught in lately.

My point is, even IF Bush was somehow responicible for 9/11, even IF the media and a shitload of people are in on this cover up, and even IF the governments lies on a consistent basis,... what the fuck are you gonna do about it? What can any of us do about it,..

...aside from bitching and moaning that this is the way things REALLY are, there really isn't much we can do at all. It's no wonder most people would rather look the other way. Anything else would lead to an all out revolution and reform of government.

[DwarfBaby]

The weakest parts????? What are the strong parts????

Replicating sketchy data is logically useless to me. Both you and I have no Idea what kind of damage an impact jet engine against re-enforced dual blast walls would cause. We also have no Idea how bullet-proof glass would react. You don’t know what pancake theory is anymore then I do. Calling something a farce or retarded is not an argument. The obvious demolition job part I can’t refute as I am neither an engineer nor a demolishing expert but neither are you so it seems the obvious is not so obvious. I do know that demolition is literally the removal of structural support allowing the weight of the building to destroy itself. I see no reason a plane and a super heated fire couldn't do this

I'm not sure who your experts are but apparently they came the same website that you did all your tireless research and apparently became an expert at so many different things. Above all you did a wonderful job at proving my previous points, so keep up the internet fact searching because they use only trusted faceless sources and honest shadows reporting obviously obvious things everyone else has chosen ignore out of obvious ignorance because the rest of us are obviously stubborn and base our miss-information on obvious lies.

[Mostly.]

*lol
At all you diden't answer if you are a radical or not.
Btw I have anew avatar :)It would be easier to answer your questions if you put them through an English spellchecker.

Seriously, your posts are so badly typed, I can't tell what you're actually asking.

However, I suggest you judge me on my posts, not on an image that could have been chosen for any number of reasons.

Avatars shouldn't be taken literally;
someone with a George Bush avatar might not be a supporter of George Bush;
someone with an avatar of an actress might not be that actress, or even female.

Apologies to everyone for taking this thread off-topic.

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

The weakest parts????? What are the strong parts????

Replicating sketchy data is logically useless to me. Both you and I have no Idea what kind of damage an impact jet engine against re-enforced dual blast walls would cause. We also have no Idea how bullet-proof glass would react. You don’t know what pancake theory is anymore then I do. Calling something a farce or retarded is not an argument. The obvious demolition job part I can’t refute as I am neither an engineer nor a demolishing expert but neither are you so it seems the obvious is not so obvious. I do know that demolition is literally the removal of structural support allowing the weight of the building to destroy itself. I see no reason a plane and a super heated fire couldn't do this

I'm not sure who your experts are but apparently they came the same website that you did all your tireless research and apparently became an expert at so many different things. Above all you did a wonderful job at proving my previous points, so keep up the internet fact searching because they use only trusted faceless sources and honest shadows reporting obviously obvious things everyone else has chosen ignore out of obvious ignorance because the rest of us are obviously stubborn and base our miss-information on obvious lies.

Frank Demartini's Statement

Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, spoke of the resilience of the towers in an interview recorded on January 25, 2001.
The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.


What do you have to say now? If this guy isnt an expert then who is?

[DwarfBaby]

Frank Demartini's Statement

Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, spoke of the resilience of the towers in an interview recorded on January 25, 2001.
The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.


What do you have to say now? If this guy isnt an expert then who is?

I remember an interview on CNN with Leslie E. Robertson chief engineer and designer of the world trade centers. He cried through part of the interview believing in some way maybe many of the death's could have been prevented if he designed some things differently.

Here is an excerpt from another interview with him at the "National Academy of Engineering"

The events of September 11 ended the lives of almost 2,900 people, many of them snuffed out by the collapse of structures designed by me. The damage created by the impact of the aircraft was followed by raging fires, which were enormously enhanced by the fuel aboard the aircraft. The temperatures above the impact zones must have been unimaginable; none of us will ever forget the sight of those who took destiny into their own hands by leaping into space.

It appears that about 25,000 people safely exited the buildings, almost all of them from below the impact floors; almost everyone above the impact floors perished, either from the impact and fire or from the subsequent collapse. The structures of the buildings were heroic in some ways but less so in others. The buildings survived the impact of the Boeing 767 aircraft, an impact very much greater than had been contemplated in our design (a slow-flying Boeing 707 lost in the fog and seeking a landing field). Therefore, the robustness of the towers was exemplary. At the same time, the fires raging in the inner reaches of the buildings undermined their strength. In time, the unimaginable happened . . . wounded by the impact of the aircraft and bleeding from the fires, both of the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.

Figure 3 shows the comparative energy of impact for the Mitchell bomber that hit the Empire State Building during World War II, a 707, and a 767. The energy contained in the fuel is shown in Figure 4. Considerations of larger aircraft are shown in Figures 5 and 6. The physical sizes of these aircraft are compared with the size of the floor plate of one of the towers in Figure 7. These charts demonstrate conclusively that we should not and cannot design buildings and structures to resist the impact of these aircraft. Instead, we must concentrate our efforts on keeping aircraft away from our tall buildings, sports stadiums, symbolic buildings, atomic plants, and other potential targets.


You can read the whole article and see the figures at
http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument

It is an extremely interesting interview. You should read it. Maybe you can find some more interesting conspiracies in it if you look hard enough.

[MP3Pr0]

Why would Bush instigate such a dastardly deed? Why did Hitler burn the Reichstag building when he was put in power?

To instill fear into the people, so they will give up their liberties in exchange for security. It is a pretext to increase government and military control over the people.

"He who Ignores History is Bound to Repeat it"

Everyone can argue the issues. All I can say is, keep an open mind, get ahold of the videos, and see what happens in the next years to come. Even with all the evidence, there's no telling what's next (although it is apparent to those who do the research). If you haven't at least watched Alex Jones' Martial Law 911: Rise of the Police State video, you can't really make an informative argument.

[DwarfBaby]

Alright, but who is Alex Jones and why should I to listen him? What are his credentials and what does he have to do with 9/11?

I'm downloading it now but if it's laced with alot of the phrases like "May have been responsible", "capable of", "Reliable sources", "Expert testimony" interlaced random Orwellian phrases I will be very disappointed. Facts are far more important to me then whether someone is capable of something. "Accusations are not fact". And if a testimony must be introduced as reliable then it almost certainly is not.

[DwarfBaby]

Ha, I went to the first link on google for Martial Law 911and was served with 3 pop-ups for dating services. The one says "No Girlfriend we can help" next to "No Girlfriend read this"

Sometimes generalizations hit the nail right on the head.

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[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

I like Alex Jones but he comes off pretty strong sometimes, dont let that deter you from watching his intriguing videos. Dwarfbaby, I understand where you are coming from in that I am a person who doesnt believe something until I see it, which is why I'm still an atheist/agnostic(undecided at the moment). The first thing I wondered when questioning if these theories were possible and or probable was why would, if the theories were false, why have so many people come forward about the coverup and why would all the experts and professors put their credibility on the line? They must feel they are right if they are willing to do so.

Now of course the Bush administration has its own engineers and experts telling you what they think happen, but they could be bought off and or intimidated into co-operating,if this is what happened it would make alot of sense as to why these people would lie(if you think 9/11 was a false flag operation by criminal parties in the us gov) about their findings in the investigation. We know our goverment, and not just ours but many if not most or all others in history have lied to their citizens about something or another. Hitler is a good example. His people thought they were the good guys in the war because they were lied to and terrorised.

Now listen, I would rather this not be true but I do believe our goverment did this to us. I look at the world as it is today and it makes me sick. We went to war in Iraq because we were told Saddam had WMDs right? You cant dispute that fact because that is what it is. Now how many WMDs have we found since we invaded, conquered, and occupied Iraq? Have you heard of the downing street memo? http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/

Its just like with god, as much as I try to believe in god I just can't, I dont see the evidence. The official story, no matter how hard I try to, I just cant fall for. Why is the world getting worse and not better. Why is it everytime I open a newspaper or turn on the tv all I see is this fucking terroism bullshit? I am so sick and tired of seeing it because I know what it is, a government psyop designed to instill us with fear so we give up our constitutional rights. I am apalled at the PATRIOT ACT and how it so loosely defines who a terrorist is and how if for no other reason than because I can be labeled a terrorist, locked up in a secret prison, with no legal representation, and never know if I will ever get out. Doesnt that worry you? It sure as hell worries me.

Dwarfbaby, what do you think happened on 9/11? Why do you think what you think. I want to understand because maybe I am missing something, I am sincere in this request. If I am proven wrong on this matter I will relent but it had better be some damned good evidence. I have too many unanswered questions.

[DwarfBaby]

Its just like with god, as much as I try to believe in god I just can't, I dont see the evidence.

Hey we do have something in common after all.

Einstein is quoted as saying "The supreme goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate representation of a single datum of experience" basically the simpler the better. This is similar to Occam's razor which states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible.

With scientific theory the more exceptions that must be made to explain a theory the more likely the theory was never correct to begin with.

Watching conspiracy movies always reminds me of Philosophy 101 which at least at the college I went to was called Logic 101. Basically you treat statements like mathematical equations kind of like algebra. In fact very much like algebra. Logic divides statements down to many categories, like “Universal statements”, “provable and improvable statements” and many more. This may sound boring and complex but it is extremely useful in determining the truth of any statement or at least the likelihood of it being true. I wish this class was required in school as it opens up your mind to concepts that people normally don’t think about.



Above all when I look at the Bush administration the word "chimpanzee" comes to mind, not "mastermind". Sure they may be responsible for 9/11 but only because of the ignorance not because of some grand strategy. If Bush was able construct such a fantastic and complex conspiracy involving thousands of people in various locations, backgrounds and studies, I would say he deserves to be ruler of the world.

But I think chimpanzee is the simpler answer.

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[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

Thats assuming Bush planned it and you are right in stating he is akin to a chimp. I believe he is just a puppet because the man is clearly retarded. You also assume something on this grand scale would require thousands of people being involved and knowing, but its much more likely most people involved just followed orders and a relatively small number of people knew the whole truth, the ones directly responsible. Now again i see what you are saying with occam's razor but assumptions are made on both sides wouldnt you agree? You must afterall assume your goverment is telling the truth about 9/11 because you dont actually know for sure either way. I think we have another thing in common, if you dont think the government is responsible then you wouldnt object to a new investigation, one that actually mentions WTC building 7. It still blows my mind that they didnt make any room for that 47 story building in the official report. I just want some answers.

[MP3Pr0]

Alright, but who is Alex Jones and why should I to listen him? What are his credentials and what does he have to do with 9/11?

I'm downloading it now but if it's laced with alot of the phrases like "May have been[...] phrases I will be very disappointed. Facts are far more important to me then whether someone is capable of something. "Accusations are not fact". And if a testimony must be introduced as reliable then it almost certainly is not.

Thank you. This is a must-see movie as well as "911: In Plane Sight" by ThePowerHour.com. Both videos exhibit actual evidence that the official story behind 9/11 does not add up. There are some very pecuilar things about the event, as well as the whole push towards "the fight against terrorism".

Believe me, I'd rather believe Osama Bin Laden and Sadam were responsible. That would be easier to swallow. But there are government fingerprints all over this. If you put the whole "conspiracy theorist" thinking on the backburner and look into the evidence brought forward, I am positive you will be amazed - or at least you'll question what the media and the government has told us.

If you like the videos, SHARE THEM - Alex sells them to help fund his ventures but gives everyone permission to distribute them freely without charge. He is one of a very few who really want us to know what's going on.

[soulxtc]

Thank you. This is a must-see movie as well as "911: In Plane Sight" by ThePowerHour.com. Both videos exhibit actual evidence that the official story behind 9/11 does not add up. There are some very pecuilar things about the event, as well as the whole push towards "the fight against terrorism".
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But what do we have to gain? Zip, zero, nada. And if anybody knew about it it wouldve come out in a heartbeat. Just look at the other black ops stuff weve done thats inevitably come out. Do u really think they could hide something like that? Its WW2 Pearl Harbor all over again, saying that FDR knew about the Jap attacke before hand.

Also, Farenheit 9/11 is a bunch of BS, its a big cut and paste job to skew things towards his own conclusions. I liked Bowling for Columbine until I saw how badly he twisted things around to shape his predetermined analysis about guns and gun control. 3 of the soldiers "featured' in Farenheit 9/11 are in fact suing Moore for the way he portrayed them in his footage about being against the war or being war mongers.

That movie is a perfect example of how the DEM party has been hijacked into making our men and women look like idiots in the eyes of people both here and abroad. Just glad Im out of the military, Clinton made me decide to quit and longer advance to go officer, and the BS theyre pulling right now about politicizing the war wouldve made me done the same thing. Both idiot parties twist it to serve their ends, but at least the words the REPs use dont make the world say "see, the US military IS the bad guy," or allow the insurgents to say that we arent motivated to win.

Man, cigarette time. :)

[MP3Pr0]

But what do we have to gain? Zip, zero, nada. And if anybody knew about it it wouldve come out in a heartbeat.

Actually our government (which is becoming a one-world government as you will see if you do your research) has plenty to gain. Look at all the wonderful anti-terrorism bills that have passed since 9/11 . . . which were actually being devised well before the event but wouldn't have any reason to be passed. Many in congress have come forward and expressed their disgust at the Patriot Act bill which is tearing our consitutional rights to pieces. It's all happening slowly - incrementally; it's analogous to cooking a frog - if you slowly turn up the heat on the water, eventually the frog will cook without even realized it was happening all along.

Also, Farenheit 9/11 is a bunch of BS, its a big cut and paste job to skew things towards his own conclusions.

I totally agree. Micheal Moore in effect WHITEWASHED the 9/11 event by leaving out the hardcore issues such as WTC building 7 being destroyed intentionally by controlled demoltion, or that NORAD was actually conducting exercises of plans flying into the World Trade Center THE SAME DAY as it happened (... more than a coincidence) - therefore providing the excuse that the real event seemed to be just an exercise.

If you want to see the 9/11 the media won't expose, watch these 3 movies: Martial Law 911: Rise of the Police State, 9/11: The Road to Tyranny, and 911: In Plane Sight. Can the evidence provided be disputed?

I wish I could go on believing some Arabs without much of a motive besides hatred were responsible, but common sense and evidence won't let me.

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

But what do we have to gain? Zip, zero, nada. And if anybody knew about it it wouldve come out in a heartbeat. Just look at the other black ops stuff weve done thats inevitably come out. Do u really think they could hide something like that? Its WW2 Pearl Harbor all over again, saying that FDR knew about the Jap attacke before hand.

Also, Farenheit 9/11 is a bunch of BS, its a big cut and paste job to skew things towards his own conclusions. I liked Bowling for Columbine until I saw how badly he twisted things around to shape his predetermined analysis about guns and gun control. 3 of the soldiers "featured' in Farenheit 9/11 are in fact suing Moore for the way he portrayed them in his footage about being against the war or being war mongers.

That movie is a perfect example of how the DEM party has been hijacked into making our men and women look like idiots in the eyes of people both here and abroad. Just glad Im out of the military, Clinton made me decide to quit and longer advance to go officer, and the BS theyre pulling right now about politicizing the war wouldve made me done the same thing. Both idiot parties twist it to serve their ends, but at least the words the REPs use dont make the world say "see, the US military IS the bad guy," or allow the insurgents to say that we arent motivated to win.

Man, cigarette time. :)

Michael Moore is a joke and all his film managed to do was whitewash 9/11 by making the administration look grossly negligent by focusing on things that made the president, among others look downright stupid. He never focused any attention on evidence that would implicate the goverment and by doing so did the adminitration a huge favor. Alot of people saw that movie, everyone was talking about it. I saw it, I bought into it. Many people did.

It wasnt til maybe a year after I saw Moore's film I chanced upon a website. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm Although it wasnt that exact page, (I think its a good page to start at though) you get the picture. From then on I scoured the internet for any information I could find, and to my astoundment, I found a copious amount of information. I questioned myself a few times whether I actually believed it because some websites were less than accurate in their facts and made some wild stories involving aliens and lizard people. Now dont get me wrong, I believe aliens exist and I also believe in the possibility that they may resemble lizards or reptiles but Im going to need some hard proof that they were involved in 9/11 lol.

Dont group these nuts with the people out there that are only interested in the facts and have plenty to make the official story look like a work of fiction, which, by the way, it is. Now I know there are people who will resist these "theories" to the bitter end and to those people all I can say is I hope to god you're right and I'm wrong. I hope I am just a very stupid person falling for nutter butter stories.For everyone else, please spread the word.

[DwarfBaby]

I wish I could go on believing some Arabs without much of a motive besides hatred were responsible, but common sense and evidence won't let me.

Don't say that. They had more motive then anyone could imagine. They were doing God's will. Don't tell me they don't believe this because they do. They've had a god given responsibility to convert or kill since the religions inception. It is their responsibility to fight the infidels and they will be richly rewarded in the after-life for doing so. Unfortunately they absolutely believe this nonsense and are brainwashed from birth to be martyrs and murderers.

Now I realize most modern Muslims don't follow this tradition but there "is" a very large number who do. I personally do not believe in God. If I uttered those words in Pakistan or Afghanistan I could be guilty of a Capitol crime.

I am tired of people making excuses for this backwards religion. These people are not incompetent and they are certainly not dumb but they are Fervorishly mislead and hi-jacking planes is the least of their capabilities.

[soulxtc]

Actually our government (which is becoming a one-world government as you will see if you do your research) has plenty to gain. Look at all the wonderful anti-terrorism bills that have passed since 9/11 . . . which were actually being devised well before the event but wouldn't have any reason to be passed. Many in congress have come forward and expressed their disgust at the Patriot Act bill which is tearing our consitutional rights to pieces. It's all happening slowly - incrementally; it's analogous to cooking a frog - if you slowly turn up the heat on the water, eventually the frog will cook without even realized it was happening all along.


Uh where to start. What cant u do know that u could before 9/11? Exactly, u can still do everything. The constitution hasnt changed a bit. All tthe bills of right are still thre, all the amendments are still there. Shred them please. The DEMs can do a thing a little known thing called "fillibuster" to stop stuff they dont like, so since they didnt stop it they must like it too. I mean biig deal, they do stuff to crack down on terrorists, like wah listen to phone calls that people amke to Iran and Afghanistan if you were my best buddy in the whole world and were calling those places, I'D FRIGGIN LISTEN IN . The dirty little secret is that the WAR ON DRUGS, not terrorism, has eroded more civil liberties than anything. Minimum drug senetences, loss of the right to vote, the list goes on and on. Why do you think the DEMs lost in 2000 with the Florida vote? Not because of some ballot nonsense but because like 30% of black males between the ages of 18 and 40 LOST THE RIGHT TO VOTE because of drug crimes. Theyd won that thing if theyd only let CITIZENS vote. What a concept. BOTH PARTIES play into that quagmire. Fuck AL Qaeda, its Al-anti-drugga thats hurt more lives than anything.

The PAtriot ACt HAS NOT AFFECTED THE LIVES of you and I in a single solitary friggin way. But, the right to vote, the right to smoke a harmless joint in the privacy of YOUR OWN HOME has been gone for some time. The PAtriot Act didnt do that, morons in our country who dont pay attention to things did that one. Do you vote? WHen u have terrorists bent our destruction what are u supposed to do? DO like Clinton and not a darn thing so that we get bombed like 6 times?



I wish I could go on believing some Arabs without much of a motive besides hatred were responsible, but common sense and evidence won't let me.
If hate doesnt drive people to kill >3,000 innocent people I dont what does. The death of so many people doing nothing more than doing their job speaks volumes about their mindset.

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

Whats that one about arguing on the internet? Something to do with special olympics I believe.

[soulxtc]

Whats that one about arguing on the internet? Something to do with special olympics I believe.

Its right here...............
http://rulzofpunk.free.fr/images/arguing.jpg

[Mels_Smileys45]

I wish a big goddamn plane would crash into this thread (or a rocket that looks like a plane) and I don't care whos behind it, so I would not be tempted to read and respond.


I thumb my nose in the general direction of this thread. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

[hayabusaboy]

on top of that is every thing on the loose change 2e video a hoax?? certainly they cant all be coincendences, come on people number one it help the presidents adminastration for sure has any thought about when his father was a president if you do then you know exactly what i am getting at, i must go on,what happened to the real reason we went to war to find a certain terrorist and has he been foud...NOPE....i can go on for days about this anyone want some debate then you got my name, i enjoy a good challenge!!! lol!!

[mfgbypooter]

I think it was a boat who hit the PENTAGON on 9/11

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[DwarfBaby]

on top of that is every thing on the loose change 2e video a hoax?? certainly they cant all be coincendences, come on people number one it help the presidents adminastration for sure has any thought about when his father was a president if you do then you know exactly what i am getting at, i must go on,what happened to the real reason we went to war to find a certain terrorist and has he been foud...NOPE....i can go on for days about this anyone want some debate then you got my name, i enjoy a good challenge!!! lol!!


First off "everything" is "oneword". I don't know what loose change 2e video hoax means in English but I'm pretty sure you misspellllledd coincidences, administration, and found. The rest sounds like a broken argument that's been translated into drunken gibberish.

By the way thanks for resurrecting this God damned stupid ass thread.

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

This thread, even with the kids running around it still has alot of substance if you took the time to read through it.

[Mels_Smileys45]

no, it does not

[soulxtc]

on top of that is every thing on the loose change 2e video a hoax?? certainly they cant all be coincendences, come on people number one it help the presidents adminastration for sure has any thought about when his father was a president if you do then you know exactly what i am getting at, i must go on,what happened to the real reason we went to war to find a certain terrorist and has he been foud...NOPE....i can go on for days about this anyone want some debate then you got my name, i enjoy a good challenge!!! lol!!

C'mon, you're giving the President WAY too much credit by even thinking he could pull something like that off and still keep it a secret. The guy hasnt been able to hide a lot of things, and something of this magnitude? Whoever broke the story with proof would get a frickin INSTANT pullitzer.

Somebody wouldve come forward by now if this was true.

ANd the reason why we havent got Osama is because our country's become a big wimp, we dont handle things like we used to. He's in lawless area of Pakistan that we cant enter because of Pakistan's fear of unrest, and that Pakistan cant enter because once again, fear of unrest and apperance of kowtowing to the Americans.


BTW, do you believe we went to the moon? There's another good conspiracy to sink your teeth into. :)

[hayabusaboy]

First off "everything" is "oneword". I don't know what loose change 2e video hoax means in English but I'm pretty sure you misspellllledd coincidences, administration, and found. The rest sounds like a broken argument that's been translated into drunken gibberish.

By the way thanks for resurrecting this God damned stupid ass thread. By the way the title of this is something you seem to lack, you must make a million dollars a year and nothing bothers you,on top of that you must have no one of importance in the war,while you sleep,eat,crap,drink beer,get laid and so on and so forth people are dying to provide you with freedom and saftey.I have a few direct family members over there and cousins.And to go an a little further,maybe you could shed some light on the word cordite(i hope i spelled it right)and if you could tell me what kind of plane hit the pentagon would be helpful too.And the fact my grammer is perfect is no reason to rag on me.I have no idea how you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.

[Potato]

Lay off with the personal attacks. I'm not just picking out you, hayabusaboy. This is for everyone. This thread is getting way too personal.

[soulxtc]

By the way the title of this is something you seem to lack, you must make a million dollars a year and nothing bothers you,on top of that you must have no one of importance in the war,while you sleep,eat,crap,drink beer,get laid and so on and so forth people are dying to provide you with freedom and saftey.I have a few direct family members over there and cousins.And to go an a little further,maybe you could shed some light on the word cordite(i hope i spelled it right)and if you could tell me what kind of plane hit the pentagon would be helpful too.And the fact my grammer is perfect is no reason to rag on me.I have no idea how you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.

What does any of that have to do with what happened on 9/11? And congrats for knowing somebody in the armed forces, now too bad u havent served. :)


Lay off with the personal attacks. I'm not just picking out you, hayabusaboy. This is for everyone. This thread is getting way too personal.

Yah, I agree......might be time to shut er' down.