edonkey, emule, overnet...

[cpugeniusmv]

i've recently been only using edonkey and overnet....i put my temp files in the same folder so i can try to get them on both networks........but i recently started using emule also........i like it, it seems to be faster than edonkey....what do you think is the best?

[roxq]

it doesnt really matter which is best, use whichever one you want. there is virtually zero difference, if any at all, in the speed which emule and edonkey dowloads files

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by roxq
it doesnt really matter which is best, use whichever one you want. there is virtually zero difference, if any at all, in the speed which emule and edonkey dowloads files

i think i'm gonna use emule for a while, because i DO get faster download speeds than edonkey and overnet

[Sockfulloflove]

don't they all use the same network, and basically all run the same? so i don't believe it makes a difference which one is better since there all practically the same.

[cpugeniusmv]

emule and edonkey are on the same network...although in my experience, emule has been faster, and over net is on a different, decentralized network.

[Gicapster]

I also use eMule, and I also think it's faster. I read somewhere it refuses connections from people with a bot. That's very good:)

[hawkburn]

I use eMule, because it has no ads and is faster, for me anyways, but overnet is another story, its the fastest for me, but when im done with it and all, it still hammers my IP, and until i disconnect and reconnect to my DSL (dynamic thank god) then it will continue to hammer and I wont be able to play any games, or even surf ZP.

[Shea Vidanus]

overnet's buggy as hell. edonkey's no longer being developed. emule's f.ucking awesome. constant updates and bug fixes.

[cpugeniusmv]

in defense of edonkey...it's development will continue after overnet has stabilized...says that somewhere on the edonkey site. but yes, emule rocks.

[Rickio]

I began using emule, actually almost forced to.
edonkey began crashing on me and had never had problems before. But I tend to think it might be the ads it was using. I noticed a lot more lately including cydoor. Crashed like 7 times each days, last few days and just gave up on it. Could not leave it unattended at all.
Well it looks ok and it's not crashing. So cool !
It does seem a bit faster, not much. But no ads and no crashing is all I needed. :-)


Has anyone checked out the modified versions of emule. I am using eMule V0.21b herbert v1 (based on Xmod v1)
and it is very nice indeed. :-)

Peace!

[GoldenTequila]

Hey. Just a quick question. Does eMule support SOCKS 4 or SOCKS 5??? When I first tried eMule, I didn't find any config for those, so I gave up on using it. (I'm behind firewall, and I need the program to use SOCKS.) My eDonkey has been crashing a lot lately too, and believe it or not, there are many other users with the same problem. If you go check www.edonkey2000.com at their forum, you can find all sorts of possible solutions, but none of them are 100% guaranteed to fix the problem. Nevertheless, they have done all sorts of analysis for this, and it's helpful to read what people have to say about it.

[PowerMan57two]

wow interesting this looks cool hahh 30 filled space j/k i don't think that applies for this oh well!!!

[Rickio]

Hey I just noticed after you mentioned it, yeah I don't see socks support in emule, but their is hope.
Go to the emule forum and their is a section where people are submitting modified versions of emule.
I suggest you ask someone to impliment that feature and I am sure others would want it as well.
As mentioned I am using a modified version and it is running very nicely, no crashes at all now.

I had not been on edonkey forum, can you mention briefly what you learned about the crashing Golden Tequila or anyone who knows?
As far a a gaurenteed solution well...switching to emule did it for me!

peace!


Originally posted by GoldenTequila
Hey. Just a quick question. Does eMule support SOCKS 4 or SOCKS 5??? When I first tried eMule, I didn't find any config for those, so I gave up on using it. (I'm behind firewall, and I need the program to use SOCKS.) My eDonkey has been crashing a lot lately too, and believe it or not, there are many other users with the same problem. If you go check www.edonkey2000.com at their forum, you can find all sorts of possible solutions, but none of them are 100% guaranteed to fix the problem. Nevertheless, they have done all sorts of analysis for this, and it's helpful to read what people have to say about it.

[GoldenTequila]

Hi, Rickio. Thanks for your suggestion. I think I'll try that and see if anybody can give me SOCKS supporting eMule. As far as possible/temporary solutions I've found on eDonkey2000 forum.

1, In case the problem is caused by a certain java feature required to process some of the pop-ups, install additional something for java. (sorry, I don't remember what it was. I didn't try this)

2, After you uninstall eDonkey, clean up your computer, and restart it, install eDonkey. And, then, change the compatibility to "run as WinNT/SP5" This seems to work for a while (a week?).

3, Some people just delete know.met file, and it seems to delay the crash.

4, Some claims it's caused by corrupted files, so they try to delete ones that may be causing the crash. (I persobally think this is NOT the problem.)

I tried to relocate the thread so I could paste a link here, but I couldn't find it anywhere this time for some reason. (it might have been closed because it was just going around people restating the same things over and over...)

Again, thanks for your suggestion.

[changin_bizniz]

Hi - dunno if eMule blocks out the bot, i don't use the bot perse - but i use the bot to start the mule when i wanna update the server list. convenient that.

[Ken17625]

Out of the three, eMule wins hands down.

[Psilaxs]

You forgot the "NONE" selection ;) lol

[Foreverboard]

my vote is for overnet. i love it. And with the newest version it dosent randomly crash. i think it will be better also once they get a .Net free version.

[x71us]

So, eDonkey quit working for me. I use eMule but don't like it. It seems to crash my computer periodically. Overnet is a good idea but I can't get it to download anything. There are eMule variations some of which work & others might not. Donkey is constrantly evolveing into something just a little worse than before. The only reason I stick with it is the awesome amount of files & high quality ones. If overnet is now being developed into a true peer to peer client I think it has a chance but I am sure the developers will go the extra mile & find a way to make it a little different so no one will use it. All those Donkey servers in Europe are sitting ducks for shut down soon & I think then everyone will move over to overnet whne that happens.

[Rickio]

Originally posted by x71us
So, eDonkey quit working for me. I use eMule but don't like it. It seems to crash my computer periodically. Overnet is a good idea but I can't get it to download anything. There are eMule variations some of which work & others might not. Donkey is constrantly evolveing into something just a little worse than before. The only reason I stick with it is the awesome amount of files & high quality ones. If overnet is now being developed into a true peer to peer client I think it has a chance but I am sure the developers will go the extra mile & find a way to make it a little different so no one will use it. All those Donkey servers in Europe are sitting ducks for shut down soon & I think then everyone will move over to overnet whne that happens.

yeah edonkey went to shit recently and I also now use emule.
the thing is emule is developing so fast and also the exe is growing with every version. I noticed that my system works best with not the current version but a version or so back. Reason I think is the system resources the newest versions are using is a bit much for extended use on my system.
I recommend downloading say version emule v0.21b herbert v.1 , it is a modification that runs quite nicely. you can find it on the emule forums.

just try a few of the older versions, likely they will run better and not crash as they are smaller.

peace!

[Raztro]

I have loved Overnet since it came out, but now without .net i love it even more!

[Foreverboard]

Originally posted by Raztro
I have loved Overnet since it came out, but now without .net i love it even more!

Agreed, the .Net free version is nice. I havent had a error for a bit now, and the spped is around 100K or so combined download speed. Cant wait till they release the .43 version, suppose to be even better.

[Ken17625]

As of December 4th, the Overnet homepage

Overnet.com (http://overnet.com)


is down. I downloaded the latest version(with the magnet link using Shareaza with no errors) but the installer doesn't work. I believe the installer tries to get the files from the site, but the site is down. I tried to access the homepage and it wouldn't load. Hopefully the site will be back up soon.

[Foreverboard]

Hey ken

Overnet.com is back up. try your install now.

[Foreverboard]

Originally posted by PiRaNeTuS
I gets everything I want and does it fairly fast. Not as fast as Kazaa, but hey, we're getting high quality stuff here.


great man, I wish everyone could see that. not just the bad colors and that’s its a little slow. Quality over quantity i say.

[Ken17625]

Yep Foreverboard, the site is back up. Install went off without a hitch(and I, of course, opted out of the shitware). I guess i'm going to have to use this instead of eMule, as it doesn't run well on my Win 98 system. One question, if I already have .NET on my system, is it worth it to use the non-.net version?

[Foreverboard]

Its really up to you. I uninstalled overnet (copying my temp folder of course) then uninstalled the .net framework and installed the new version. Everything seemed to work fine. Of course you must do at your own risk if you want to do that, most of the time Windows dosent like to uninstall hotfix's. But it worked this time.

[NDGAARONDI]

I've not yet used this and have overnet.

I tried searching for some sites that have eMule for download but 4 somer eason didnt get anywhere!

Can anyone name site they got it from.

In English in .exe or .zip not .rar perhaps?

[cpugeniusmv]

http://www.emule-project.net/

[NDGAARONDI]

Cheers

[iq214]

Emule rox. I dont even bother using fasttrack anymore. And its definately faster for me than edonkey. Some emule versions crash alot, Ive found the EmulePlus mods to be the best, go to www.emuleplus.tk and check it out..this shit is made by enthusiasts!

[dverma75]

Originally posted by Shea Vidanus
overnet's buggy as hell. edonkey's no longer being developed. emule's f.ucking awesome. constant updates and bug fixes.

Take from Edonkey site

"New Donkey Version in Alpha
1.09.02 - We have a new version of the donkey currently in testing by a small number of users. We should have a public release of it sometime next week."

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by iq214
Emule rox. I dont even bother using fasttrack anymore. And its definately faster for me than edonkey. Some emule versions crash alot, Ive found the EmulePlus mods to be the best, go to www.emuleplus.tk and check it out..this shit is made by enthusiasts!

yeah it sure is, moving up from fasttrack to emule is a big step up, there are files on emule i just aint been able to get anywhere else. and the quality at sharereactor filenexus etc is unbelievable. this is the best p2p app out there except maybe dc++

[iq214]

I agree, with sharereactor and filenexus you have a long time to go before you need to "search and hope", and theres TONSof material thats not listed on those sites, so these days its all emule (plus) for me. It took some hard thinking, pausing the incompletes on kazaa, installing the mule and so on, but now Ive used the mule for a few months and I can honestly say I havent regretted it even once and Ive deleted those kazaa incompletes to make room a long time ago! If its movies, Emule is the superior app (yes it beats DCC by miles because its actually possible for normal people to get to the material).

[geffers]

ive been using emule plus for about a fortnight now and i think it could be the best p2p ive ever used good speeds and some top files i wish ide tried this earlier

[Rickio]

emule plus is way good. I also noticed the newesr mods use less system resources now and the speed is way up from edonkey days.


peace

[joey tribiani]

I've just been using my emule plus (i've had various versions for a while)but did not download much now i've been trying it since Kazaa doesn't give me any sources for crucial material and i have to say it gives similar speed to my best on Kazaa (i'm on 56k) so far, good sources too .:shy

[BoricuaLink33]

Anybody care to explain the difference between emule plus and the regular emule..
thanks in advance

[iq214]

emule plus is a mod, a modification of the emule client. There are several such mods, but emule plus from www.emuleplus.tk is the best Ive tried, constantly updated and developed..in reversed order..uhm..on that site theres also a link to their forum at some obscure portal, very nice indeed :)

[NDGAARONDI]

Yeah Emule+ is really good - best p2p my reckoning! :fire

:tol

[Versacity]

Edonkey always crashes on my Win2k. I personally am using emule and think it is very good.

[isamoor]

eMule all the way. It's open source and community driven. It just works faster as well.

I like the idea of overnet, but it tends to lose connections over time on a linux box. This is a known problem to the developers, but they say they're not gonna fix it because they can't figure it out. Seems real nice to me.

eMule people are working on Undernet, their own kademlia implementation (similar to overnet). When that comes out, I'll be a real happy camper.

Later,

isamoor

[DIMA2001]

eDonkey is better if more users use it, while eMule is better while less people use it.
Why?
Well ... with eMule you get a high traffic overhead

the edonkey2000 hybrid Overnet gives you muhc higher horizon (if many users use eDonkey 2000 / Hybrid).

Why is that so with eMule?:
the eDonkey network is very dynamical - sources come and go, but all of them are recorded in alt-source-meshes and if they go, your client still tries to access them. If there are too many off-sources, eMule creates a very high traffic overhead what causes slower speeds on assymetric connections.

Overnet / Hybrid doesn't have such a "feature", but uses the protocol's strength to find users and so causes much less traffic since it doesn't have so many off-sources.

Overnet also allowes more users than edonkey2000 - on ed2k (with eMule) the maximum horizon is ~800,000 - on Overnet your horizon is much higher.

eMule gives you some extra extensions such as decentral comment system etc., but people use it very rarily.

People still think that eMule is _the_only_anti_leech_tool, but that's wrong - its credit system is very vunerable while the eDonkey's Horde system is not so "unsecure".

At the end still everyone queues everyone and the download speeds depend on upload speeds on the other end, both clients use the same network, but different source-find-techniques, which give at the end the same effect. So, it doesn't really matter if you use eDonkey2000/Hybrid, eMule.
But it does matter, if you use mlDonkey or Shareaza.

mlDonkey is bug-plagued and it has transfer problems, so its performance is not very good.
On the other hand, on Shareaza you might get even higher speeds. That is because Shareaza peers queue other Shareaza peers (and other Gnutella peers) on the HTTP queues (instead of the ed2k one).
There are different queues for different purposes by default:
3 for small/medium/big file sizes, 1 for partitial content and one for ed2k transfers.
The ed2k queue is very long by default and other queues are not very long by default and rotate all 300 seconds (uploader drops your transfer and next user can download) for faster spreading. This leads to optimized transfers while being on Shareaza and same transfer speeds while being on other ed2k clients.
Shareaza doesnt favoritize other Shareaza clients - it just has different queues for different networks.

Use what you want, but you will same speeds on all of these clients. You can even calculate the standard transfer speeds on every network: total amount of bandwidth per file / user count.
On ed2k the most users use TDSL which has 16 upload max. Because of its assymetric character people throttle their upload to 10-14 kbps, so that makes ~12 kbps standard speeds.
So, if you never get these speeds, you should check your config and if you get higher speeds ... well, theoretically you are a thief - if you get more, someone gets less :devil

[Foreverboard]

for full albem downlaods via these programs you can use

musicdonkey (http://www.musicdonkey.net/)

you can also try

filedonkey (www.filedonkey.com)

[isamoor]

Woops. Browser stalled an hour or two ago, and I thought the post didn't go through so I reposted. Now I've got two.

Feel free to delete this.

eMule all the way!

Later,

Isamoor

[MainManMoe]

I have not tried this Overnet but emule is way better then edonkey. Also theres some great mods that have options, bot busters and saves resources.

[origin]

Ride Da Mule :D Most definitly has better GUI and usuability as a ed2k client...although shareaza is looking awfully good right about now lol

[stevenkao]

Emule is open source, has no adware, no spyware. Compared to Edonkey, emule is the sure way to go

[simon_says_horrible]

eMule is the best but I moved to Shareaza so I can connect to Gnutella Network in one software at the same time.

[whome]

Should I pay for the overnet pro version? Or should I go with emule or just simply the basic overnet version?

[simon_says_horrible]

Should I pay for the overnet pro version? Or should I go with emule or just simply the basic overnet version?

Overnet doesn't have much users. I used Shareaza and they have it all especially it connected from different network (gnutella2-1/eDonkey network, etc..). Much better if you try it for a week. If you are using Dial-up 56k, it will take about 2 weeks or more to get 300MB file. It depends how much users are available.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Overnet doesn't have much users. I used Shareaza and they have it all especially it connected from different network (gnutella2-1/eDonkey network, etc..). Much better if you try it for a week. If you are using Dial-up 56k, it will take about 2 weeks or more to get 300MB file. It depends how much users are available.

I use emule and like the results. I have edonkey on my computer as well
I don't use Overnet at all. I still use Kazaa & Imesh lite I don't have the time to download as much as I use too

[Foreverboard]

Overnet doesn't have much users. I used Shareaza and they have it all especially it connected from different network (gnutella2-1/eDonkey network, etc..). Much better if you try it for a week. If you are using Dial-up 56k, it will take about 2 weeks or more to get 300MB file. It depends how much users are available.

Overnet has over a million users which should be plenty. I get A lot of stuff from there and have only used overnet for my downlaoding since the begining of it. I can get all the newest games, movies, tv eps, software and everything and I can get it within a day usually. Now in on cable but i have a lot of frinds that use overnet and it works killer. And I have only ever got maybe 2 or 3 fake files, and never a virus unlike other networks. but each to there own.

[isamoor]

I would like to point out that any estimate of the size of Overnet is just a guess. It's much more likely about the size of Gnutella than anything.

Look, most of overnet is on hybrids. Only 10% or less of the ed2k clients are hybrids. That means there are only about 100k hybrids out there. So I say overnet isn't over 200k, let alone 1mil.

Go look at the emule's kademlia forum. The guys there will easily tell you any estimate of the size of a kademlia network is a complete guess.

I'm really liking the idea of an open source kademlia network. Go eMule!

Later,

Isamoor

[Foreverboard]

I would like to point out that any estimate of the size of Overnet is just a guess. It's much more likely about the size of Gnutella than anything.

Look, most of overnet is on hybrids. Only 10% or less of the ed2k clients are hybrids. That means there are only about 100k hybrids out there. So I say overnet isn't over 200k, let alone 1mil.

Go look at the emule's kademlia forum. The guys there will easily tell you any estimate of the size of a kademlia network is a complete guess.

I'm really liking the idea of an open source kademlia network. Go eMule!

Later,

Isamoor

You can bet that 90% of the numbers generated for almost all clients are bloated and misleading. And you can say the same thing for "other" clients on FastTrack (kazaa++, kazaa light, imesh, bearshare etc....) and for Gnutella (limeware, shareella, Gnucleus, etc...) Everyone has a different opinion on every client. And I dont know the kademlia network guys, so i could care less about what they think. Until there is a known standard for tracking P2P people on networks its all a guessing game.........

peace :bling

[begoodbebad]

I use edonkey and overnet. Before this I used emule until 0.30. I haven't found any advantage in speed between edonkey and emule, both can be configured (edonkey more simply) to get very good speed.
The really important difference I found is that edonkey is much more compatible with the servers...far fewer disconnections and low id problems. Basically on edonkey I only get disconnected if the server goes down whereas on emule I think it happened if a cloud passed over the sun, the tide changed, the birds changed their song...whatever.
Another important difference (for some people) is that edonkey uses less of your RAM, and it is also a much smaller installer. Pure Overnet seems to use the most.
btw edonkey has no spyware and the adware is optional.
Overnet is excellent but you have to think it doesnt have so many users as it doesn't find as many sources as the hybrid edonkey2000 client. It may be the future as servers come under increased legal threat and also hacks.
Overnet lets you share more files as there are no server defined limits to how many files you can share and upload.
My conclusion: edonkey2000 (with horde and overnet connection) is now better than emule. To find the most sources use edonkey. To have the most superfluous functions and be able to change the settings until it breaks use emule :upside

[waqasr]

Emule PLus Version 1h is the most stable version
tht i have ever used and i will recommend it to everyone!
http://www.emuleplus.tk/
i have it running on my winxp pro for abt a month now
it never crashed. speed is the same as all other versions!
i hope everyone one would start using the emule
coz
1.its Stable
2.has files like none other (the moives/porn i find on emule
none other p2p comes close)
3.ad free
4.updated frequently
:tilted

[simon_says_horrible]

I was talking about one software from different network... not 2 softwares in 1 network because you will get the same seach results if only 1 server. If you guys know how much users from different network, maybe you will get some idea.

Kazaa (Lite), Imesh (Light) and Grokster ---> FastTrack Network
TOTAL USERS=?

Overnet ---> Overnet Network
TOTAL USERS=?

eDonkey and eMule ---> eDonkey Network
TOTAL USERS=?

Morpheus, Bearshare, LimeWire etc. ---> Gnutella1 Network
TOTAL USERS=?

eDonkey ---> eDonkey Network+Overnet Network
TOTAL USERS=?

Shareaza ---> Gnutella2 Network (3 servers)+Gnutella1 Network+[eDonkey Network w/Overnet]
TOTAL USERS=?

If Overnet Network have 850,000 users (http://www.overnet.com/) and connected to eDonkey Network, All stuff from Overnet will share to eDonkey through Shareaza.

Here's a good example of how file sharing works. (http://computer.howstuffworks.com/file-sharing1.htm)

[Foreverboard]

I was talking about one software from different network... not 2 softwares in 1 network because you will get the same seach results if only 1 server. If you guys know how much users from different network, maybe you will get some idea.

Kazaa (Lite), Imesh (Light) and Grokster ---> FastTrack Network
TOTAL USERS=?

Overnet ---> Overnet Network
TOTAL USERS=?

eDonkey and eMule ---> eDonkey Network
TOTAL USERS=?

Morpheus, Bearshare, LimeWire etc. ---> Gnutella1 Network
TOTAL USERS=?

eDonkey ---> eDonkey Network+Overnet Network
TOTAL USERS=?

Shareaza ---> Gnutella2 Network (3 servers)+Gnutella1 Network+[eDonkey Network w/Overnet]
TOTAL USERS=?

If Overnet Network have 850,000 users (http://www.overnet.com/) and connected to eDonkey Network, All stuff from Overnet will share to eDonkey through Shareaza.

Here's a good example of how file sharing works. (http://computer.howstuffworks.com/file-sharing1.htm)





P2P Networks
October 10, 2003 - 5:00 EST

Network Users

FastTrack 3,363,259
Overnet 1,261,586
iMesh 1,124,579
eDonkey 1,116,298
MP2P 239,143
DirectConnect 145,191
Gnutella 91,091
Ares 11,944
Filetopia 3,245

[isamoor]

Most of those stats seem reasonable, except overnet and ares. I'd think ares would be higher and overnet would be lower.

Wouldn't suprise me if ares keeps numbers low to throw off RIAA, it's a nice program.

ANd I still state their ain't no way in hell overnet has over one million users.

Later,

Isamoor

[ATLien]

Emule PLus Version 1h is the most stable version
tht i have ever used and i will recommend it to everyone!
http://www.emuleplus.tk/
i have it running on my winxp pro for abt a month now
it never crashed. speed is the same as all other versions!
i hope everyone one would start using the emule
coz
1.its Stable
2.has files like none other (the moives/porn i find on emule
none other p2p comes close)
3.ad free
4.updated frequently
:tilted
Yea, but Emule Plus won't work, with some of your bigger p2p sites like "Sharereactor" and etc. At least it didn't work for me, so now i just run the regular version of Emule, and it's great!

[simon_says_horrible]

Most of those stats seem reasonable, except overnet and ares. I'd think ares would be higher and overnet would be lower.

Wouldn't suprise me if ares keeps numbers low to throw off RIAA, it's a nice program.

ANd I still state their ain't no way in hell overnet has over one million users.

Later,

Isamoor

Ares is a new P2p compare to FastTrack Network and it has been around for more than 3 years. Overnet is now relies to eDonkey server(s) with over 1 million users. Click here (http://www.slyck.com/) for major P2P networks statistics.

[Explicit]

I use emule because it has a ip filter which edonkey and overnet do not

[Malicious Intent]

I thought the whole point of overnet is that it didn't rely on the eDonkey servers?

[RecalcitrantX]

Malicious, correct. Overnet is decentralized.

For all you eMule fanboys out there: take my word for it and download the latest edonkey2000 hybrid client. The speeds are considerably faster, which is probably due to 1) access to Overnet sources (there are a considerable number of people who use the Overnet stand-alone), and 2) horde downloading (you can partner with fellow downloaders and go to the front of each other's queues, in an almost bit torrent like fashion).

Yes, the hybrid client has few features and has banner-ware. But trust me on this--whereas with eMule I will always upload about five times as much as I'm able to download, the upload/download ratio with edonkey2000 is MUCH better. So give it a shot; you won't be disappointed.

~RecalcitrantX

[origin]

the emule staff is working to make the emule client not rely on servers anymore for connections I believe but it is in its early beta stages so its not all that great yet, but hey the reveloution has got to start somewhere! :playboy


l8

[Jelsoft]

For all you eMule fanboys out there: take my word for it and download the latest edonkey2000 hybrid client. The speeds are considerably faster, which is probably due to 1) access to Overnet sources (there are a considerable number of people who use the Overnet stand-alone), and 2) horde downloading (you can partner with fellow downloaders and go to the front of each other's queues, in an almost bit torrent like fashion).

Yes, the hybrid client has few features and has banner-ware. But trust me on this--whereas with eMule I will always upload about five times as much as I'm able to download, the upload/download ratio with edonkey2000 is MUCH better. So give it a shot; you won't be disappointed.

~RecalcitrantX

eMule v0.30c Statistics

Client Software
eMule: 339 (92.6%)
eD Hybrid: 9 (2.5%)
eDonkey: 0 (0.0%)
xMule: 0 (0.0%)
MLdonkey: 7 (1.9%)
cDonkey: 0 (0.0%)
Shareaza: 11 (3.0%)
Unknown: 0

It seems that 92.6% of people don't agree with your statement.

[RecalcitrantX]

Jelsoft, and I'm very confident that a huge percentage of that 92.6% hasn't tried the edonkey/hybrid client in a long time, if at all. And anyway, I've surfed the eMule forums before--many will openly admit that the hybrid IS faster. They just argue that this is a bad thing, saying that faster downloads means that partial files are shared for a shorter amount of time (meaning that a file could more easily fall off the network faster). However I would argue that this is poor logic, since I think that horde downloading can benefit a small group of people who are trying to get a rare file; they communicate directly with each other and bypass each other's queues, swapping pieces of the file faster, and thereby putting less stress on the original source(s) of the file.

In any case, just look on the eMule forums. There's the constant debate about whether the raw speed offered by the new hybrid clients is bad...and also whether or not it would eventually just turn the edonkey network into Bit Torrent-lite if everyone used it.

~RecalcitrantX

[begoodbebad]

Jelsoft, and I'm very confident that a huge percentage of that 92.6% hasn't tried the edonkey/hybrid client in a long time, if at all. And anyway, I've surfed the eMule forums before--many will openly admit that the hybrid IS faster. They just argue that this is a bad thing, saying that faster downloads means that partial files are shared for a shorter amount of time (meaning that a file could more easily fall off the network faster). However I would argue that this is poor logic, since I think that horde downloading can benefit a small group of people who are trying to get a rare file; they communicate directly with each other and bypass each other's queues, swapping pieces of the file faster, and thereby putting less stress on the original source(s) of the file.

In any case, just look on the eMule forums. There's the constant debate about whether the raw speed offered by the new hybrid clients is bad...and also whether or not it would eventually just turn the edonkey network into Bit Torrent-lite if everyone used it.

~RecalcitrantX

Got to agree with recalcitrantX on this one. I used emule until and including 0.30a and then tried edonkey2000 as I was interested in trying Horde. edonkey2000 is faster than I ever managed with emule, more stable, connects more easily with fewer low id problems, is simpler to configure, uses slightly less of your system resources, is a smaller download and has overnet access. Many people have never tried it as for a long time emule was definitely superior and it is emule that is generally promoted by people on p2p sites...if they tried edonkey2000 they might change their minds. So the majority is not always right....sometimes they are just the majority and that's all. And some of us are edonkey2000 fanboys...can't help it.

[XtraNtnse]

Where can I get the eDonkey Hybrid?

[RecalcitrantX]

XtraNtnse: you can download the latest edonkey hybrid here: http://download.overnet.com/edonkey0.51.exe -- you can also check out the forums and download various skins that people have made. Some people have put a lot of work into making great skins! (I like the MSN based skin that you can find here: http://www.astercity.net/~gumerski/english/down_skins.html

begoodbebad: IMO most edonkey2000 users are people who were, at one time or another, eMule users who just happened to try edonkey2000 out of curiosity. And then they saw the light. :) However, I do have something interesting to report (and you may want to try it out yourself, like I am now). I spoke to someone in an Overnet IRC chatroom a few nights ago, who made it known that he uses the pure-Overnet client and not the hybid. I asked him why anyone would do this, considering that the hybrid connects to both Overnet AND edonkey and that the hybrid would fetch more sources. He said that this is precisely why the stand-alone Overnet performs better; it doesn't have all the extra overhead that the hybrid has, and doesn't interact with eMule/mldonkey clones which will never be able to upload anything to them. Also, just about every source that the pure-Overnet client will be able to connect to will be horde-enabled. Anyhoo, intrigued by his argument I installed the pure Overnet client (just in case the hybrid's Overnet was a bit different) and, to my surprise, he appeears to have a point. My downloads start immediately and get good speeds. So far after two days of using it my upload to download ratio is almost 1:1!

In any case, I think we as p2p enthusiasts need to test different programs out and weigh the pro's and con's. We need to keep developers on their toes and admit that a program that might have sucked a year ago might not suck now. So go ahead, install Overnet and eMule and edonkey2000 on different machines...and get them all to download the same file at the same time, and then see which one wins. A program isn't better just because it's open source and has a zillion features, and a program isn't worse just because it has banners. A program is better or worse on the basis of how it performs.

Anyway, I've ranted long enough. :P

~RecalcitrantX

[begoodbebad]

He said that this is precisely why the stand-alone Overnet performs better; it doesn't have all the extra overhead that the hybrid has, and doesn't interact with eMule/mldonkey clones which will never be able to upload anything to them. Also, just about every source that the pure-Overnet client will be able to connect to will be horde-enabled. Anyhoo, intrigued by his argument I installed the pure Overnet client (just in case the hybrid's Overnet was a bit different) and, to my surprise, he appeears to have a point. My downloads start immediately and get good speeds. So far after two days of using it my upload to download ratio is almost 1:1!

In any case, I think we as p2p enthusiasts need to test different programs out and weigh the pro's and con's. We need to keep developers on their toes and admit that a program that might have sucked a year ago might not suck now. So go ahead, install Overnet and eMule and edonkey2000 on different machines...and get them all to download the same file at the same time, and then see which one wins. A program isn't better just because it's open source and has a zillion features, and a program isn't worse just because it has banners. A program is better or worse on the basis of how it performs.

Anyway, I've ranted long enough. :P

~RecalcitrantX

Yes I have pure Overnet installed also and it has many advantages however whatever anyone says it doesn't find as many sources as the hybrid edonkey2000. I know the theory of how it will still eventually find the server connected sources but it just doesn't get them all in practice. For well spread files overnet is undoubtedly the best p2p out there but my tastes are a often a very long way from mainstream or even sidestream! Most of the stuff I want only completes on the ed2k server based network. I appreciate this is changing slowly as more people use overnet and/or the hybrid client and it will be great when overnet is the primary edonkey type client. For the moment I only use it for batches of popular files.
I have overnet installed on the same machine as edonkey as the two applications can share the same temp and download directories, though unfortunately they cant share the same temp files as emule(and only one ed2k app should be run at the same time). I can share more when using overnet as there are no server imposed restrictions on the number of files shared. I have around 3500 mp3s and I share all of them on overnet but on ed2k I just shared music as rar archives to avoid being blacklisted by servers. Overnet is the future but for now the hybrid can do more for me.
People worry too much about adware on edonkey...you barely even notice it..it is tiny and unobtrusive.
You're right about feature count not being the sign of a good program. edonkey and overnet work superbly with almost no user input whereas emule is much larger due to all its features and has far more to go wrong. I am often maxing out my connection for days at a time with edonkey2000...there is no way to improve on this however many trick features are offered.

[DainBramaged]

Can you use tools like ad-aware or spybot, et al, to remove the crap from the Hybrid client, or is that a no no?

[napho]

Can you use tools like ad-aware or spybot, et al, to remove the crap from the Hybrid client, or is that a no no?


You don't have to accept any of the added programs and there's a loader to get rid of the ad bar. Check your PM's.

[DainBramaged]

Thanks napho.

Another question. What do you think of the comparison between eDonkey, Hybrid, and Overnet only now that eMule has, at least in beta, implemented Kadmelia?

[ROCKAMANIAC]

I Hate the Edonkey Network, my Downloads Never Begin or are cancelled, UNLIKE Fast Track and Gnutella which provide FAST (maybe not reliable) But Fast Downloads with very few Errors.

[napho]

eMule gives more results and even though it's slow it seems to get the job done. Kademelia just keeps it way ahead of the competition. Overnet as a standalone used to start dl'ing sooner and faster than the Hybrid but the latest Hybrid seems to be pretty good. I have all 3 and just set them to use the old style part files so I can use the same folders for all of them and resume in another client if it hits a roadblock.

[IshareManyFilez]

I use overnet. Excellent searches, decentralized network and the downloads actulally start. And the options aren't bad either.

[tamarisk]

I use shareaza, It's not listed

[Cunning Linguist]

At this time im using eDonkey, since it gives me eDonkey and Overnet in one, but I miss eMules interface. Im going back to eMule as fast as they get Kademelia up and going for us firewall users.

How is that working btw? Do they have a ETA for Kademelia v1.0?

[Induna]

Klamedia? I thought that was a sexually-transmitted disease.

[DainBramaged]

At this time im using eDonkey, since it gives me eDonkey and Overnet in one, but I miss eMules interface. Im going back to eMule as fast as they get Kademelia up and going for us firewall users.

How is that working btw? Do they have a ETA for Kademelia v1.0?
A few people on the eMule message boards have seen clients UL/DL that have a foreign vers number. It is suspected that these clients are the devs testing new(er) versions of Kadmelia.

Yeah, it's nice. It's definately not up to par with Overnet, but it is certainly a great addition. Right now, it is mostly used as a source exchange, even though it displays as "ED2K Server..." when you examine the sources.

[Govern_cannonball]

emule faq about proxys (http://www.emule-project.net/faq/pref_proxy.htm)

[Empire]

emule faq about proxys (http://www.emule-project.net/faq/pref_proxy.htm)
This FAQ is contradictory.

It says freely available internet proxies that provide anonymity are too slow.

Then it says, local proxies that are fast, don't provide anonymity.

So why bother using proxies? According to this FAQ, you're damned if you do, and damed if you don't.

[hawkburn]

Aside from all of this.... all the programs have changed dramatically since 2002 (when this thread began)

We also need to give Mike (CPUGeniusMV) the oldest-thread-to-come-back-from-the-dead award.

[RJ5500]

Based on my experience with all three, I'd say Overnet beats the donkey and the mule hands down. :gj

[DJ Zany]

Went back to Overnet a few weeks ago, had heard it has got a lot better.

WOW.

Set up a test with different setups and ports etc.

Overnet is killing the eMule by >2x on each file. Awesome stuff.

It looks crap, but I can live with that.

[P4L]

out of the 3 , emule is better, but is there any way to get more than 5 kb/s on a download, I am used to getting 300 - 400 and this is worse than dial up. Since i can't run my favorite program on linux yet i have to use an inferior one.

[DainBramaged]

Sure. Patience. If you can leave it on 24/7, as many people do, eventually the amount of concurrent transfers will build. Or you'll get lucky and find someone who can share several upload slots at 30 kb/s.

[NastyDogface]

I have been using emule for about two years (approx.), and I agree that it is quite a bit faster. After it has been running for a few hours I can sometimes get downloads totaling 300 kBps... compared to emule, with same settings, that only reached 100 from time to time. Currently using emuleplus version 1I... not as fast as emule plus 1f was, yet, but I have been downloading some less-than-popular files, so it will prolly speed up when I dl more widely available stuff.

I also use shareaza, and I have had no problems running the two at the same time. They each have features that I like.

Anybody out there use freenet or dc much? I would appreciate some opinions on those progs, and their safety, from peeps who know.

later

[Ezza6745]

Ive been running Overnet (on its own not the hybrid client) for about 2 weeks now behind router i share with my brother and its working great had no problems with it, been getting good speeds out of it too.
Had problems with emule in the past but since switching it Overnet everthings been good :ass

[nasrules]

The only problem with Shareaza is the fact that for many people it fucks up your internet connection no matter what bandwidth limits or connection limits you set, and it's ED2K speeds are generally slower than eMule's.

Remember this is coming from a Shareaza fan!

[XtraNtnse]

I recently switched from eMule to Overnet Lite..I love Overnet and will probably never go back. With Overnet all my downloads start within the first hour, and with horde, my download speeds are alot faster than what I was getting with eMule.

[simon_says_horrible]

Same here but I'm using eDonkey Lite 0.52 for 56K modem with 5.00KB upload limit. I think Overnet/eDonkey2000 have better speed (allow for 56K modem to run) and it's smart to spread chunk files because it downloads most rare chunk first so all users could share each other just in case some rare chunks (or completed files) are not available anymore. Also you don't have to low your upload speed because the faster you can upload, the faster you can get their chunks. eMule's technique to create chunk files are in random part and the speed is slow.. mostly you will get some available source with 1,000+ queues and used to eat-up all available bandwidth. Even though it would read 20+ and 5 down it would take 5+ minutes for Internet Explorer to load any website.

[waqasr]

can some one plz tell me wht Overnet or Overnet lite version
supports HOrde?? i just wana give it a shot! iam using Emule+
at the moment! its not tht fast but gets the job done!
if the overnet/overnet lite with Horde is faster thn i would love
2 try it out!
thanx
:shoot :hole :ass

[isamoor]

Well.. I think most current overnet versions have the Horde. I think it got put in around the .5 release.

I will admit the horde works well for recent releases. The key feature is to think of it like bittorrent. It only works if lots of people are downloading the same file.

Emule's answer has been the credit system. I will admit there is not as much instant gradification (Meaning it might not be as fast), but it should give you credit with other people you can spend on any file they have. Classic case being a TV series. If you upload one episode to someone, you should have an easy time of downloading another from that same person.

In the end, maybe horde is best for one shot movies or games and credits work better for groups of files. They both have their pros and cons. I just use emule because it's open source and I trust them more. No crapware in default install.

Later,

Isamoor

[mcovey]

I have edonkey2000, and overnet. I just got them 2 days ago, but i'd been using shareaza prior. I have to say that I think edonkey is a keeper. It connects to overnet and ed2k, unlike overnet which only does overnet. Then there's kademlia on emule, but I figure anyone sharing on kad is also sharing on ed2k so I'm set. Plus edonkey seems to use less system resources and has a simpler interface. I can't see the ad because I edited out the ad-servers with my hosts file, but it isn't a clean/lite version. Althought if anyone does know the url of the clean/light version, could you please PM me so I can check it out? I want to suppourt this network so I might buy pro sometime down the line.

[waqasr]

Thanx for ur help!
God bless u!!
:shoot :ass :upside


Well.. I think most current overnet versions have the Horde. I think it got put in around the .5 release.

I will admit the horde works well for recent releases. The key feature is to think of it like bittorrent. It only works if lots of people are downloading the same file.

Emule's answer has been the credit system. I will admit there is not as much instant gradification (Meaning it might not be as fast), but it should give you credit with other people you can spend on any file they have. Classic case being a TV series. If you upload one episode to someone, you should have an easy time of downloading another from that same person.

In the end, maybe horde is best for one shot movies or games and credits work better for groups of files. They both have their pros and cons. I just use emule because it's open source and I trust them more. No crapware in default install.

Later,

Isamoor

[waqasr]

hay ppl does emule with KAD support better thn the one with out it?please explain why!
wht is the advantage? speed or more resources or something else?
thanx :icon_thum

[VAMPYRE BLADE]

emule is the best i get everything i want from it, no reason to change.

[waqasr]

I have edonkey2000, and overnet. I just got them 2 days ago, but i'd been using shareaza prior. I have to say that I think edonkey is a keeper. It connects to overnet and ed2k, unlike overnet which only does overnet. Then there's kademlia on emule, but I figure anyone sharing on kad is also sharing on ed2k so I'm set. Plus edonkey seems to use less system resources and has a simpler interface. I can't see the ad because I edited out the ad-servers with my hosts file, but it isn't a clean/lite version. Althought if anyone does know the url of the clean/light version, could you please PM me so I can check it out? I want to suppourt this network so I might buy pro sometime down the line.

here u go bro!
http://www.klitetools.com/MM/other.htm
i just installed lite version of tht with BT,fasttrack,G1 plugins. it has no adds, uses alot less resources thn Emule or EMule plus not to mention alot faster as well.only one thing Emule plus would give me more search results but some of them with 0 sources but this lite version only shows me the files which r online and ready to download. Download also start alot faster. i wana give it a few days b4 i can decide if its a keeper or not but seems to run fine for now!!!:icon_thum
i also tired EMule4.6c but i didnt like it at all!! it didnt connect to KAD , i ran it for couple of hours plus on search it shows very few results.

[chris305_interpol]

Both Those 3 Programs Have Been Slow For Me On A DSL Connection,Anybody Know Why?

[shawners]

The network itself is slow. More people are turning off share options and limiting upload speeds. WHy stay there? Plus searches can clog the network.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Emule is slow. You pretty much get back what you put in so not many people are turning off sharing i do not think anyways because there are one helluva lot of files there. . I didnt even know you could do that, thats not a good thing and I guess you would have to cheat the credit system too which I have heard of. I still like the network because I have found things you will not find elsewhere like lots of old movies. I'm not a speed freak person, just as long as I gets mine Im happy.

[CrashPeer44]

I never liked Edonkey, Emule, Overnet. I have not used those since KaZAa was the "p2p of CHOICE" lol

but hey waht am i too say this, what ever floats your boat, use:icon_thum