Video DVD Rips 700MB XviD/DivX How Do They Do It??

[CrashPeer44]

Ok I Googled, Im totaly lost on this topic.
How do all those release groups rip those DVD's to high quality @ only 700MB.
I know they use XviD & DivX but what program is best and EASIEST?
For optimum settings of course.

Can someone recommend me to something easy and quck, no all day frame by fram program.
thanks, Crash

[Auggie2k]

Yeah, by using the mother of them all Dr. Divx. Divx compresses the files down to around that size to fit normal CD-R's and changes around the quality to make it that size, it's really quite clever. The conversion takes some time but PM me and I will link you to a full version of Dr. Divx.

EDIT: There is also a much more user friendly program called ImTOO DVD to DivX Converter which is childsplay to use and understand. Also, this is not to be confused with their other product, ImTOO Divx to DVD Converted which is also easy to use, all of the ImTOO products are too.

[CrashPeer44]

Ok I Got Dr. DivX

I Will Try that Out, If I Have Not Luck, I wWill Also Try imTOO....Or If All Else Fail's I'll Repost With Probs

[Mels_Smileys45]

Dr divx is no longer supported and you have to calculate alot if you want to end up with a 700meg file. The new Divx converter seems ok at first but it has lots of problems. You can not control size and audio sync is a nightmare.

I have tried many but Auto Gordian Knot is a gods send. http://www.autogk.me.uk/ Just select what size you want to end up with 1CD, 2CD's ect and it takes care of the rest. There are advanced options to play with as you learn. It makes as close to perfect rips as youre gonna get. I promise you, you can't go wrong with this app. I've made 100's of rips with it.

Also a little secret Ive found, hit Ctrl + F9 opens up more options! One more thing, If youre using Symantec firewall you will need to mod virtual dub, if so I will provide a link for that. Its screws it up and drove me nucking futs for a few days before I figured it out.

http://www.ciminski.de/simon/autogk.jpg

[Auggie2k]

How long would a normal 700MB rip take with that Mel?

[CrashPeer44]

Alright Im sticking with ImTOO & The Auto Gordian Knot

Been Having Prob's with Dr. DivX

Thank's Auggie & Mels

Your Both Cool

[Mels_Smileys45]

How long would a normal 700MB rip take with that Mel?



It all depends man. A two pass encode can take from 3 to 5 hours. Its pretty fast in general but other factors can cause huge differences. This app is awesome though, you should try it out.

What it actually does is use virtual dub mod, all Auto GK does is fill in the good shit for you. All you have to do is make a few easy selections and Auto GK sets Xvid to optimum tweaks for your encode.

EDIT****
Ive heard of Imtoo lately but I have not tried it. Does it make quality encodes?

[CrashPeer44]

Ok One more thing, in imTOO, How do you set it so the ENTIRE FILE is 700MB not a split??!!

[Auggie2k]

The picture has made it's point and was a little big so here is an alternative...

http://www.p2pconsortium.com/style_emoticons/default/99.gif

[CrashPeer44]

I Did That But When It Hit's 700MB It Just Splits The File.

P.S.
What is the optimum settings, Video Bitrate & Audio Bitrate

[CrashPeer44]

Look & See:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3206/kuf5ql.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[charlesmelissa]

I don't know about ImTOO, I use Dr Divx (He's Back as open source). When you encode in DIVX it creates a log file of the compression, the video file, and a third file. I usually delete those and just keep the Video File (actually I encode to mp4, it will play on an Archos Video Jukebox).

[CrashPeer44]

I Think I Might Use WMV Instead Of DivX

Good Or Bad Idea?

[thepuzzler]

Bad. I personally hate WMV files with a passion.

Xvid / divx are highly portable formats, easy to edit and such, WMV isn't.

It depends what you want to do with the files afterwards I suppose. (put them on Kazaa and limewire by the sounds of things.)

j/k

[CrashPeer44]

Lol...or a Private DC++ Hub for all the User here @ ZP

[Mels_Smileys45]

Still think you should stick to Auto GK. When you set the file size, it sets everyhing to optimum settings for that size file. It does all the work for you, it couldnt be any easier or simple. You end up with the correct file size every time. Most everyone who wants great results, at least in the circles I run in, uses Gordians KNot. They use to kick my in the balls all the time because I refused to use it.


WMV compression sucks. Stick with Xvid or DivX. Using Auto GK, use Xvid.

[CrashPeer44]

Me's I Think Your Right, I have Been Having Probs with the Others

Thanks
:icon_thum

[que-em]

Here a guide: http://www.doom9.org/autogk.htm

You can find answers to all your questions at doom9 and in the forum. I personally have never used AGK myself, I've only used GordianKnot to obtain a bitrate. All that stuff confuses me, I just create avisynth script and run it through MeGui.

[DwarfBaby]

Here a guide: http://www.doom9.org/autogk.htm

You can find answers to all your questions at doom9 and in the forum. I personally have never used AGK myself, I've only used GordianKnot to obtain a bitrate. All that stuff confuses me, I just create avisynth script and run it through MeGui.


I second that doom9 is an excellent website and it will answer all your questions. I used it often back in my divx days.

However now that DVD -r's have fallen to almost the same price as CD -r's I see little point spending time to degrade picture quality to fit it on a CD.

[The Hunter]

This is going to come in very handy for me as Im still using cds.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Right now its still about bandwidth. Its much easier to transfer a 700meg file than a 4gig + file. It would take me a few days to upload a 4+Gig file and using BT it would take me a week to upload it. Divx and Xvid produce damn high quality compression these days. I've been making DVD's out of them and can't tell a difference in most cases. The new .divx file extension offers up some really cool features that have not fully caught on yet but will bring it up to standards of DVD. Its a lot faster to upload/download a divx file and then use winavi to make a dvd of it than waiting and waiting for a DVD to download. Plus its pretty cool to put two or more movies on a playable DVD.

I myself use a hard drive as a media center for my TV. I fill it full of high quality Xvid movies and watch what I want when I want. MPEG2 is just to old and outdated of a compression format. WMV is almost better!

[The Hunter]

Some interesting thoughts there Mels.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Some interesting thoughts there Mels.


Another problem, when Blue Ray and high Def come along, even if our interent speeds do increase, which lately doesnt seem to be the case anymore (more like capping our downloading, another point I forgot to mention!), we will still be faced with converting our media into a more transferable compression format. Can you imagine downloading a Blue Ray file? Arghhhh! Lucky for us, Divx has already started thinking about high Def compression. Divx files are here to stay. If it was on the stock market, I would buy into it.

[shawners]

What you do is this. Before going to bed, get it set up and start it. In the morning its already. I have done xvid to dvd conversions. NERO vision express even burns after encoded. Just do it at night time when nothing to do.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Batch encoding is good for this. I usually set it to convert, like shawners said, while I sleep or while I'm at work.


Ive tried NeroVision lately and I still don't like it as much as winavi. You do have to hit an extra button to burn after its complete though. (hurts my wrist to do that!) A 30 minute conversion VS a few hours is no contest, plus winavi NEVER flubs the dub. Ive had zero audio sync problems or any other problems. It also uses a lot less resources. I can actually do toher things on my PC with no lag while its converting. YOu should try it out shawners



Is it just me or is the newer NERO really clunky? It takes forever to execute some actions. Sometimes I wonder if I need to click on it again.

[Signa]

i personally found xmpeg to be a great and easy program to use. i dont know how it compares to others because i havent used things like auto-gordian knot. i pretty much stopped using everything lately because just flat-out coping the DVD is so much faster and more compatable with the house dvd player.

im sure people will debate this, but i also found divx3 to be underrated. i could hardly tell the difference between divx3 and divx5-multipass. what difference i could see wasnt justifed for me for the time it took to convert it. it prolly was just some bad settings, but i did tweek alot of options to try to make it look better and it just never made me feel that upgrading was really the obvious thing to do.

[shawners]

It does what I need it to do. Only turn xvid to DVD if other people want to view it. Otherwise it plays just fine on my cd-r in xvid format. Scene groups release the dvdrip xvid first, since its smaller and spreads quicker. DVDr comes out within 12 hours or more. Dvd player that plays xvid is a must. Tv Shows on a cd and you can just throw it on within 20-30 minutes of downloading. DVD option if you like to put 3-4 shows on a disc. But I do it before going to bed. In daytime its mostly downloading and burning movies before work and after work. This week has been dry, so im all caught up. Just finished watching Just Friends. Some movies arent worth the print of a dvd.

[CrashPeer44]

Well Guys, Thanks for all the Help XviD/DivX Rocks.
They Should have DivX/XviD Players instead of DVD!

[Mels_Smileys45]

Well Guys, Thanks for all the Help XviD/DivX Rocks.
They Should have DivX/XviD Players instead of DVD!


They do have Xvid/Divx players. You have to check around but usually the cheap ass DVD players will play anything because they come dirrect from China and SVCD/VCD Divx/Xvid is huge there.

[DwarfBaby]

They do have Xvid/Divx players. You have to check around but usually the cheap ass DVD players will play anything because they come dirrect from China and SVCD/VCD Divx/Xvid is huge there.

Exactly,

In the Beginning god created the Philips 642.xx which played divx/xvid and it played it well. And god came to see that it was good the first day. Then god spoke and the Apex AD-1150 came to be and god came to see that it was good a second day. Then god said become fruitful and become many and fill the Earth so that all creation will know multiple formats, a third day. And then the Avayon DXP-1000 begot the Toshiba HD.xx which begot the Toshiba 4890 Upscale Converter High def Divx/Xvid/avi/wma/etc....... which begot 881 other DVD players which can be found at
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers?DVDname=&Search=Search&divx=1&dvdportable=&dvdchanger=&dvdtv=&chipset=&country=&orderby=Name&hits=25&Submit2=Search

[Mels_Smileys45]

I really need to pick one up myself. I may have to look into that next payday.

[DwarfBaby]

I really need to pick one up myself. I may have to look into that next payday.

I strongly recommend the Philips 642. It's a buggy slow responding awkward simple machine yet for all it's shortcomings it will play almost every file format in every region without hacking or tweaking. Best of all it's only $60 at Wal-Mart or $70 at Circuit City/Best Buy.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Thanks, I guess that will be the one I pick up then.

[DwarfBaby]

Thanks, I guess that will be the one I pick up then.

Philips did recently release a new model that does HD and upscailing for about $120, although I can't recommend that Unit as I have never tested it. But if you have an HDTV or plan to acquire such a set in the near future you may wish to test it out. The advertisement says it plays every format and although Philips gained a shit load of respect in my eyes for the 642 model I will never totally back a product I have never tested.

[Mels_Smileys45]

I wonder do theses players support the new .divx file extension. In this format you can make divx display menus, chapters and different audio tracks. That would be nice.

[DwarfBaby]

I wonder do theses players support the new .divx file extension. In this format you can make divx display menus, chapters and different audio tracks. That would be nice.

To some extent.

The 642 model has had three updates to the firmware (that I know of) that have both improved Divx/Avid playback and its flexibility. However Divx menus are another monster that I'm sure will never ever catch on.

The Primary reason for Divx is to conserve space while delivering the optimal visual performance. Menus, Extras, alternate endings, yadah all take up valuable space and degrade the overall movie experience.

[CrashPeer44]

lol yea all those menus Suck

Hey well XviD is great, I'm Ripping all my Home Moives to it aswell.

Thanks!

[soundmaster inc]

[QUOTE=CrashPeer44]
Video DVD Rips 700MB XviD/DivX How Do They Do It??

i always wanted to ask that

[Mels_Smileys45]

To some extent.

The 642 model has had three updates to the firmware (that I know of) that have both improved Divx/Avid playback and its flexibility. However Divx menus are another monster that I'm sure will never ever catch on.

The Primary reason for Divx is to conserve space while delivering the optimal visual performance. Menus, Extras, alternate endings, yadah all take up valuable space and degrade the overall movie experience.


I dunno, I saw a movie the other day that was very nice. Remember, the Divx compression is always being improved , unlike MPEG2, and the CD limit (700M) is not that much of a goal anymore. I like the .divx format (Divx6) but I have yet to learn how to encode well with it. Auto Gordians Knot has a built in feature to use .divx (file extension) but it has yet to be turned on. I hope the next version starts using it. Then it may catch on. When I tried encoding to .divx I ended up just changing the file extesion to .avi because at the time Media Player classic didn't support it but now somehow it seems it does although the .divx controller pops up and you must use it to select certain features. I guess Divx modded something since then

[Mels_Smileys45]

I almost forgot about Starwars Revelations, which you can download from the Divx homepage, Those menus are kick ass, very well done and a look at what the future could hold. First they will have to come up with a good way for the average user to make such a good looking menu system. If you havent seen it check it out.

There is even a small preview

http://www.divx.com/movies/detail.php?movieID=23

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/extremepleasures/StarWars/screenrev2.jpg
One view of the menu screen, chapter select (whick is kickass!)

[Ogi]

Well, I used to package XviD CD's in easten europe (not saying any more then that though).

We used Linux systems and command line ripping programs for efficiency. As you are a Windows user, I can't give you any instructions, but I can give you some parameters we used. Also have a look at doom9.org . There is a lot of general info on video encoding there (which is good background knowledge).

As a general rule, these were the parameters:

Audio:

either MP3 (ABR @ 128kbit/s) or ogg Vorbis (Vorbis was preferred, as it gave good quality @ ~45kbit/s rather then MP3's 128, leaving more space for the video). Stereo
*resampled to 44100Hz from 48000Hz (which is used on DVD's)

Video:

* scaled to 706x504
* codec: Xvid
* use 2PASS MODE! it gives far better quality, at the expense of time (you have to run the encoder twice)
* use a high-quality filter for scaling
* crop parts of the DVD you dont need (you would be surprised how many DVD's waste space on black bars which are usually not visible when playing on a DVD player (due to overscan) but which can use up bandwidth).
* bitrate: depending on free space available (between 500/800 kbit/s)

Container:

*AVI or OGM (OGM was preferred, as it have near-instant seek ability, was Opensource, and played better with ogg vorbis then the AVI)


Note that these are just general rules. the bitrates we used was very much dependant on the length of the movie. For example a 45min movie could have both the video and audio rates increased, while a season disk (with lots of episodes) would have low bitrates (and sometimes we would downmix the stereo track to mono to reduce space).

A good thing to remember, its generally a better idea to reduce resolution then decrease the bitrate. At low bitrates the video has artifacts (like blocks) while a lower resolution video will look cleaner (and generally can be scaled up better). You have to find a good balance between the two (dont rely on one or the other) to get a DVD-quality XviD/DivX at 700MB.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Umm crash has already found out that Auto GK will do all that automatically and end up with a perfect 700Meg rip everytime. Some tweeks can be done to increase quality such as encoding the credits at a lower bitrate, it even has a built in "cartoon mode" for encoding cartoons.

[DwarfBaby]

If the Movie is much longer then 90 minutes or is an unusually bright flick, it is best to divide the movie onto two discs. The larger the TV the more obvious the faults of a "tightly compacted Divx disc" become.

Believe it or not the REAL Networks codec is extremely efficient in its own right. Obviously since Real's codec was designed to be transmitted over the Internet even to Dial-Up users its advantages over the Divx format become more apparent the smaller a medium becomes. For instance when a 2 hour or longer movie is placed on a 700MB disc Real's format has a rather large and noticeable advantage over Divx. Unfortunately the disc must be used in connection with your PC as I don't know any DVD players that support their codec although by now I'm sure at least one exists.

As stated before all the information you need concerning any codec you chose can be found at http://www.doom9.org/

[kokanezub]

brilliant i have movies that are vcd and are as good as a dvd

[shawners]

VCD better then DVD? Movies have been compressed to leave a few bytes remaining and fit real snug on cd-r. The downside is the disc may not render great quality for longer movies and splitting it on two disc is kinda tireing. After first disc ends you have to get up to put second one in. The rule of thumb for me is this.
1. Telecine movies(Get xvid) You can encode the xvid to DVD NTSC for friends to play on their machines. Telecines are PAL format which is from europe or russia, and even china. Its simpler to change the pal format to NTSC for other dvd players to view.
2. DVDScreeners that you watch (XVID) DVD screeners your friends watch (DVD-R)
3. REtail DVD RIPS, (DVD-R)
You can put multiple xvid files on dvd and play it. My philips dvd/divx player cost less then my liteon drive.

[forkart]

Ok I Googled, Im totaly lost on this topic.
How do all those release groups rip those DVD's to high quality @ only 700MB.
I know they use XviD & DivX but what program is best and EASIEST?
For optimum settings of course.

Can someone recommend me to something easy and quck, no all day frame by fram program.
thanks, Crash
Try yasa dvd to divx converter (http://www.yasasoft.com/magicdvdripper/).

[ferrarimodena360]

go with xvid with ac3 sound.....pretty good combo

[Kutza]

Wow. Nobody even mentioned VirtualDub. IMO, by far the best and user friendliest. Use Divx 6.1.1 especially if you have dual core; it's the only encoder right now that supports it, and let me tell you, it's damn fast. Last file I re-encoded was 1 hour 21 mins at 200FPs, while still being able to easily run muliple proggies in the foreground. @128kbps audio reconversion (too high compared to normal), 480x270 reso, 917kbps, 30fps, it actally (I shit you not, it surprised me; the colors were better and less artifacts) looked better than the original. File size was 549MB.

FYI: It was a google video (reason for reconversion), Loose Change 2nd Edition (Interesting Video). That's another benefit of VirtualDub, and it's spinoff, VirtualDub mod, they'll convert just about any format easily.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Auto GK uses virtual dub mod, it only optimizes all the settings for you (analizes the video/audio, adjusts the bit rate to fit whatever file size you choose without the use of a calculator) and adds some options for tweaking it yourself that VD lacks. Its like virtual dub +


200 FPS? That sounds very odd.

[axlman]

This is a really great site that deals with video stuff: www.videohelp.com

[Boomer The Dog]

What do you do when the sound track is ahead of the picture? I ripped two new DVDs recently that when they were encoded, the sounds came 2 seconds before the actions, but other disks in the past were done with the same settings and were just fine. Oh, and the vobs played fine before the encoding too.

I tried it with two programs, one was Auto GK, but no go, and I ended up getting the torrent (from a release group) and it was perfect.

Settings: 1 CD (700MB), Xvid, mp3 audio default for this setting.

[Kutza]

Auto GK uses virtual dub mod, it only optimizes all the settings for you (analizes the video/audio, adjusts the bit rate to fit whatever file size you choose without the use of a calculator) and adds some options for tweaking it yourself that VD lacks. Its like virtual dub +

200 FPS? That sounds very odd.

"...How so?" AHhh... No, the encoding was at 200+ fps, not the video. I assume that's what you meant. I later say the video was @30fps.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Oh, lol My bad!

[tuumi]

Mel,
The age of HiDef is now. There are plenty of people on the newsgraoups who download HD quality movies daily and save them to hard drives. Doesn't take that much time. I guess that is relative. I know a guy who can download about one a day. That isn't bad considering the quality on a HD TV. You have GOT to see the Rings Trilogy in HD. One just has to have alot of hard drive space. BluRay quality downloads are around now. One just has to have patience and hard disk space. Once you've seen them DVD quality just doesn't cut it.
Wait you dont even need a bnuch of hard disc space. Just a DVD burner. Break em into four gig sections and one can have bluray quality movies spread out onto 2-4 discs and BAM! HD movies for under 5 bucks.
Sorry didn't mean to hijack thread!

[Andrew110]

I just picked up this (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7288259&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03013&id=1118840369037) Divx player a few weeks ago and have had no complaints at all. The only reason why I didn't go with the philips and went with toshiba was because I've never had much luck with philips.

[shawners]

I only use xvid for the movies that i dont think are worth the DVDR burn.. They appear faster on the net, and dvdr appears a day or two later. =)
movie h0stel will look good =)