Bin Laden offers Americans truce

[soulxtc]

In an audio tape broadcast on Aljazeera, Osama bin Laden has warned that al-Qaida was preparing an attack very soon, but also offered Americans a "long-term truce".


"The new operations of al-Qaida has not happened not because we could not penetrate the security measures. It is being prepared and you'll see it in your homeland very soon," the voice attributed to bin Laden said, apparently addressing Americans.


But the voice on the tape, which appeared to be aimed at the American public, also offered a truce: "We do not mind establishing a long-term truce between us and you."


The tape, broadcast on Thursday but dated to December last year, comes after a year of silence from the al-Qaida leader.


"This message is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end those wars," it began.


"It was not my intention to talk to you about this, because those wars are definitely going our way.


"But what triggered my desire to talk to you is the continuous deliberate misinformation given by your President [George] Bush, when it comes to polls made in your home country which reveal that the majority of your people are willing to withdraw US forces from Iraq.


Americans want peace


"We know that the majority of your people want this war to end and opinion polls show the Americans don't want to fight the Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their (US) land.


"But Bush does not want this and claims that it's better to fight his enemies on their land rather than on American land.


"Bush tried to ignore the polls that demanded that he end the war in Iraq.


"We are getting increasingly stronger while your situation is getting from bad to worse," he told the US, referring to poor US troop morale and the huge economic losses inflicted by the war.


"The war in Iraq is raging and the operations in Afghanistan are increasing."


Truce offer


"In response to the substance of the polls in the US, which indicate that Americans do not want to fight Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their land, we do not mind offering a long-term truce based on just conditions that we will stick to.


"We are a nation that Allah banned from lying and stabbing others in the back, hence both parties of the truce will enjoy stability and security to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, which were destroyed by war.



Read the complete article (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/593298A0-3C1A-4EB4-B29D-EA1A9678D922.htm/)

[1JOESKY]

WTF is this doing on here??? Its all B>>.S<<%

[soulxtc]

Uh, yah but its MAJOR NEWS Mr. Jokety Joke Joke. Have you been living in a cave in the Afghan mountains as well?

[DigitalJunkie]

I guess the question comes down to who can you trust? Bush vs. Bin Laden? Israel vs. Arabs? Politicians vs. Terrorists? Liars vs. Extremists!

[Pathtek24]

Kiss my white AMERICAN butt, Bin Laden...Maybe if he and the rest of the terrorists had some real man junk, the law abiding citizens and the terrorists could meet and duke it out like men...none of this hit us in the back when were not looking...At least we have the courtesy to do it to their faces....

[CrashPeer44]

I think the CIA did this along with the hastage.
Yup and then pass some secret bill that takes more of our so called "rights" away.
This entire war is a blurr to the public and the world.

and to the other post, Id rather believe a terrorist than a US politician who is looking to just make aquick buck off the lives of others and lies every which way to stay in office.

[Digital Bliss]

Didn't hitler pull somthing like this.....

[1JOESKY]

Ours Theirs who cares about BS propaganda? Oh yes I'm gonna believe Aljezeera and Fox and all the self serving crap they want me to believe!
If you want to know what the joke joke joke is, look no further than the mirror, Newz?? Please its not any more than fodder for the masses that want to feel safe.

[soulxtc]

Didn't hitler pull somthing like this.....

Yep, that famous speech by Neville Chamberlain, with pruported "Peace in Our Time." If his sentiments were true itd be cool, but hard to tell, as says Muslims dont stab people in back, but what do you call flying a 747 into 2 skyscrapers filled with thousands of people? Just dont know.

[lifehacker]

Who believes him? At least I dont...

[lil_amb]

I say sure we make a truce...then 6 months down the line he wipes out 1/2 of America.....good idea.

[DigitalJunkie]

My point was trust no one.

Ms. Barbara Walter did a piece about is there a heaven after you die. There was a Christan, he said if you're not a Christian. You will not go to heaven, because there's only one god! Is that a vengeful god? Taking my freedom away.

Well, that's not the heaven where I want to go. Heaven should be a happy place, where no one would be discriminated!

Sorry, I don't trust no one but me!

[mountain_rage]

Personally if I met him on the street I would ask him for his own opinion and understanding of his view before judging him on what he has done. Sure it was wrong... at least in my opinion. But different cultures have different views of what is right or wrong. Its not like america doesnt have its fair share of horrid dooings from the past and even present. No country has a perfectly spotless record. How many natives, negroid's, arabs etc... Have been killed needlessly. You can prossecute bin laden for dooing it deliberately but it would happen just as much in a conventional war.

[1JOESKY]

OMG How naive can_U be? LMAO

[pimpinaman]

Bin Laden and al-Qaida need to be laid to waste. If they kill our 1 of our guys, we need to kill 10 of theirs, until there is none of theirs left.

[mountain_rage]

Judge me if you like but do any of you even know the reason why Bin laden attacked the united states? His motive, according to us intelligence was to ruin the united states economically. If you read up on it Bin Laden has stated that the United states is opressing the arab people. Since ive never been to an arab state I cant exactly put an opinion on those allegations. Sure theres news sites and such but that just isnt an unbiased opinion now is it. Although I agree terrorism or any violence for that matter is no way to solve an argument, I do understand why Bin Laden chose this route. Bin Laden attacking the united states is like a moskitoe attacking a frog. It has very little chance of dooing anything to the frog unless it transfers a virus of some sorts. In other words Bin Laden is virtually powerless in a conventional war but if he fights dirty he might just have a chance. If you really look at it is the war in iraq any better then what Bin Ladden has done. How many innocent people have died in Iraq you think? Bush didnt want to try any diplomacy in Iraq and decided to go to war. In the process theres been numerous scandals about torture and human rights issues. I say if Bin Ladden is arrested and prossecuted for what he has done why not Bush?

[soulxtc]

We support the opression by proxy by supporting those regimes that are opressive. But, as recent events have shown, brute force, a tactic doomed to fail eventually, is the only means by which countries can maintain law and order among conflicting tribes and religions.


When the European colonial powers, read British, carved up the Middle East after WW!, they failed to do so in a way that considered differing tribes and religions. Thus it resulted in a situation that was bound to boil over sooner or later, as is currently the case.


There are groups of people in the Mid East who simply don't like one another, be it for reasons of religion, ethnicity, tribe, or way of life. The only reason why many of these countries have not exploded into outright civil war is because of brutal regimes that do not tolerate any hint of conflict.


Sooner or later these groups will want their own states, Yugoslavia and Tito being an example of what may be in store.


Either way, the billions of dollars these countries reap from oil sales, not just us, but from Japan, and increasingly China as well, is what is most damaging, as if not used properly it can be used to sustain an unhealthy society that would otherwise be forced to reform and truly address its own failings. Look at Nigeria, where the oil companies have to put up the street signs and build roads because the powers that be stockpile the oil revenues for themselves.

[KWill]

why doesn't that guy just DIE already?

[Spyder810]

The US doesn't negotiate with terrorists end of story !

[MorphineInduced]

you know apparently history never changes cause you assume that from anger that if you start killing 10 of theres for everyone killed is going to change anything..... ya i think all around the world from all the terroisim that when they took that route ...... well hey look they still going at it.............and well you want to do the same but then grab a gun and head over there and take to there home....... when its known that a 12 year old that has lived through all this war has more experience at combat then your most distinguished soldier.......... i dont think that continuing at this with them is going to solve anything ...... i think this government did this once before in the vetenam war and yet they got there ass kicked pretty hard......... just like well .....now ........ and ya the tape might be dated from last december and maybe he is dead but maybe they are just playing the tape cause this was all part of there plan ...... maybe they are just ready to push the button

[lifehacker]

Bin Laden and al-Qaida need to be laid to waste. If they kill our 1 of our guys, we need to kill 10 of theirs, until there is none of theirs left.

I wish the problem could be solved as simple as you said. I dont know if there is a perfect solution. Al qaida (sp?) can have so many new recruits to join their ranks it will take really long to take even a small part such as their leaders down. As long as Jihad will be preached, there wont be an end to terrorism coming from the middle east.

[CrashPeer44]

I say sure we make a truce...then 6 months down the line he wipes out 1/2 of America.....good idea.
nah just wipe out all the political a-holes in office today who exist

[teto]

Nooo, Godwin's law has been evoked! Our doom is at teh hand!

...I'm with 1JOESKY on this.

[lil_amb]

Judge me if you like but do any of you even know the reason why Bin laden attacked the united states? His motive, according to us intelligence was to ruin the united states economically. If you read up on it Bin Laden has stated that the United states is opressing the arab people. Since ive never been to an arab state I cant exactly put an opinion on those allegations. Sure theres news sites and such but that just isnt an unbiased opinion now is it. Although I agree terrorism or any violence for that matter is no way to solve an argument, I do understand why Bin Laden chose this route. Bin Laden attacking the united states is like a moskitoe attacking a frog. It has very little chance of dooing anything to the frog unless it transfers a virus of some sorts. In other words Bin Laden is virtually powerless in a conventional war but if he fights dirty he might just have a chance. If you really look at it is the war in iraq any better then what Bin Ladden has done. How many innocent people have died in Iraq you think? Bush didnt want to try any diplomacy in Iraq and decided to go to war. In the process theres been numerous scandals about torture and human rights issues. I say if Bin Ladden is arrested and prossecuted for what he has done why not Bush?


That is a valid point about Bush, but then again, he has it on his side that he didn't go there until they came here. The longer our troops are over there the more people will die, that's a given. And it just pisses them off more...so sometime we will get what is coming to us.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

eh, bush and him are both making money off this war. fuck em both.

[soulxtc]

eh, bush and him are both making money off this war. fuck em both.

This is such a tired and lame retort, Bush and family are NOT making money off the war, and if he is I challenge you to research for examples, of which you will find none as it would be ILLEGAL and if any of the Democrats had or could find proof of it they would use it IMMEDIATELY. His cronies are no doubt making cash but thats politics, they all do it. Do you think Democratic REPS and SENS dont hook up th guys or gals who gave em' cash to get elected? Of course they do, its always been that way. Who do you think become ambassadors for the US? Ever wondered? Well they're those that gave the most cash, usually getting phat places like England or France, and the real Foreign Service Officers get like Tanzania or Ghana where real work must be done.


Anyways, do me a favor and quit with all the Bush is making cash of this war BS, it aint true. If it were he be busted in a heartbeat and I'd be one of the first rallying for impeachment.

[1JOESKY]

You have the right to your opinion that is what war's were fought for your right to voice your opinion and to openly debate such if wished!

But, if what you see Binladen is doing as war you are sadely mistaken.
What Bush has done is no less criminal maybe even more so since his father helped to create Saddam's machine by funding and supplying Iraq against Iran, and then turning ( Clinton also) a blind eye while Saddam brutally ruled most of that area.
But the way you speak of Binladen as though he has a valid point to what he is doing is absurd. The way he was co-created by the US, after leaving Saudi Arabia cause he couldn't get enough blood for his tastes there and going to Afganistan to fight the USSR with the help, training, and equiping by US CIA, so he could co creat the taliban and form a quasi paradise of his own, to train and form his groups based on the likes of PLO,Lebanese terrorists and their contemporaries so after a time they could as their backword fundamentalist ideals preach, "Rid the world of the infadel" and make the whole world into their way of belief and practice.
This is no one to reason with or use diplomacy on. If you are willing to take up this debate you should study the matter/history a little more and you would know that these types of radicle fundamentalists and hate mongering individuals/groups see only one way, There's !
WAR is good for nothing but KILLING.

Be well and PEACE onto you.


I await the flames and say goodbye to my rep power and reputation.

[Ne007]

Um...Yeh...This is just propaganda ordered by the New World Order and distributed by the so called terrorists.

The old "good cop, bad cop" routine.........in other words....they are all in the same group....one operates as your friend..they other your enemy.

The friend pretends to save you from the enemy...at a price.

[thepuzzler]

Bin Laden and al-Qaida need to be laid to waste. If they kill our 1 of our guys, we need to kill 10 of theirs, until there is none of theirs left. An eye for an eye makes the world blind...

[AgainstMe]

It seems to me that we need to make every attempt possible for a peaceful resolution. Even if this attempt for truce is a hoax by Osama and Al-Qaida, we owe it to both sides to stop the killing. Its important that we distinguish between Osama and Al-Qaida, because, in this case, the body can live without the head, and infact become stronger.

So fuck all you fucks who are to close minded for talks of peace. If you truely love your country and your countrymen you'd not want to see any more harm come to them. We can not change what they've done to us, but let us not use the broken bodies of our friends and familys, on both sides, as a catalyst for more bloodshed. We have so little to lose by talking and much to gain.

The White House says the US "does not negotiate with terrorists" This is bullshit, we have a long record of negotiating with terrorists.

I'd like to add that we should not be so quick to call them terrorists. The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter, in this situation, is only the difference between who wins and loses. None of us know the future, but thier cause may be consider just by the majority 20 years from now. More so if we lose terribly.

Also, by the definition of terrorism that we use to label Al-Qaida, we could easily call President George W. Bush a terrorist. Let us examine the facts. The majority of the world consider weapons of mass destruction to include DU ammunitions, or Depleted Uranium ammunitions. DU Ammu. is radioactive and we dropped hundreds of TONS of this in Iraq. The familys there will be feeling the effects of this for at least some 20 years. Also DU Ammu. is considered by many, in the science community, to be the cause of Gulf War Syndrome. Our vets are getting this from being there from a few months to a couple of years. What do you think will happen to those who have to live with it for an extended ammount of time?

I won't debate, here, if we are right or wrong for using DU Ammu. My point is that we can not give them a standard of "terrorism" if we are not willing to hold ourselves against the same standard.

I'm not saying we should not protect our country, but fighting with them has not made us any safer. Some would say that it is evident that we are doing a good job since we have not been attacted by them since 9-11 ( on us soil ) This is just an illusion our goverment would have us believe. Infact if you look the history of attacks made by Al-Qaida, you will find that they go many years between major assualts.

I will admit I do not come to Zeropaid often, So if you wish to respond to me personally you can find me at http://www.myspace.com/kill_your_leader

[AgainstMe]

And for the person who said "Bin Laden and al-Qaida need to be laid to waste. If they kill our 1 of our guys, we need to kill 10 of theirs, until there is none of theirs left."

Your one sick fuck to hold our families as mere pawns on a chess board. If you think its ok to lose a person for ten of thiers, then I say shut your fucking mouth, join the marine infantry, and die for your country.

[tsafa1]

Kiss my ass Bin Laden. They must have you cornered pretty good... or are your own people getting ready to turn you in.

[tsafa1]

I also agree that a kill ration of 1 to 10 is not a good idea. It has to be 1000 of them dead for every one of us.

[louisgag]

Eye for an eye, soon the whole world will be blind!

America is powerful enough to bring peace, but not through anger.

This was very well said:
It seems to me that we need to make every attempt possible for a peaceful resolution. Even if this attempt for truce is a hoax by Osama and Al-Qaida, we owe it to both sides to stop the killing. Its important that we distinguish between Osama and Al-Qaida, because, in this case, the body can live without the head, and infact become stronger.

So fuck all you fucks who are to close minded for talks of peace. If you truely love your country and your countrymen you'd not want to see any more harm come to them. We can not change what they've done to us, but let us not use the broken bodies of our friends and familys, on both sides, as a catalyst for more bloodshed. We have so little to lose by talking and much to gain.

The White House says the US "does not negotiate with terrorists" This is bullshit, we have a long record of negotiating with terrorists.

I'd like to add that we should not be so quick to call them terrorists. The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter, in this situation, is only the difference between who wins and loses. None of us know the future, but thier cause may be consider just by the majority 20 years from now. More so if we lose terribly.

Also, by the definition of terrorism that we use to label Al-Qaida, we could easily call President George W. Bush a terrorist. Let us examine the facts. The majority of the world consider weapons of mass destruction to include DU ammunitions, or Depleted Uranium ammunitions. DU Ammu. is radioactive and we dropped hundreds of TONS of this in Iraq. The familys there will be feeling the effects of this for at least some 20 years. Also DU Ammu. is considered by many, in the science community, to be the cause of Gulf War Syndrome. Our vets are getting this from being there from a few months to a couple of years. What do you think will happen to those who have to live with it for an extended ammount of time?

I won't debate, here, if we are right or wrong for using DU Ammu. My point is that we can not give them a standard of "terrorism" if we are not willing to hold ourselves against the same standard.

I'm not saying we should not protect our country, but fighting with them has not made us any safer. Some would say that it is evident that we are doing a good job since we have not been attacted by them since 9-11 ( on us soil ) This is just an illusion our goverment would have us believe. Infact if you look the history of attacks made by Al-Qaida, you will find that they go many years between major assualts.