Vista is going to suck

[Malakai1911]

Anyone else worried about vista?

It sounds great except for the extra DRM. I hung onto Windows 2000 up until a year ago, when I was able to crack windows (WPA), and physically remove junk from it I didn't need (not just hide icons, but delete components).

Vista so far will refuse to recognize region-free DVD players and writers. It also has that nasty HDCP in its video drivers. Anything else I missed?

It's looking like in another year I might be switching to linux.

[Auggie2k]

It was also reported that it will not work with the first series of DVD players. I believe the fact that you must change everything will suck.

Just look at the suggested specifications that Windows lists...
Microsoft recomends people use a 3GHz Pentium CPU or AMD equivalent, 1GB of memory and a S-ATA drive along with DVD recorder and similar stuff. This spec will run Vista just fine.Which means I can't upgrade my Laptop to Vista and if and when I buy a new computer, I got to buy a high end one. I think I'll build one.

[moneoa]

Vista of shit...
Fiesta

[drei]

Linux is great on the backend as a server but until I can play City of Heroes or any other 3D game on it Linux can get these nuts for real.

[Malakai1911]

City of heroes gets 4 out of 5 stars for playability with WineX (Cedega).
http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3321

Wine is getting better too, I bet you could play alot of games with it. http://www.winehq.org/

[Lehk]

Linux is great on the backend as a server but until I can play City of Heroes or any other 3D game on it Linux can get these nuts for real.

UT2003 and 2004 work on linux, cedega can get some windows games running on linux.

[.:sp00ky:.]

Im sorry dear......but.... you have vista :(

[notbob]

what exactly looks good about vista?

it looks like xp with a shitload of crippling drm and some worthless eye candy. other than the bad stuff that got leaked through patent documentation, there hasn't been a report of anything that should make anyone run out and get vista

[rainbowdemon]

Which means I can't upgrade my Laptop to Vista and if and when I buy a new computer, I got to buy a high end one. I think I'll build one.

I'm just going to hang on to XP for a while. Probably quite a while!!

[mcovey]

I'm never going to bother with it. Great motivation for a part time linux user to go full time...

[crestfallen]

What a bunch of FUD in this thread.

You won't even notice HDCP. If VIsta didn't support it, you'd suddenly wish it did when you can't watch your HD movies on your computer. Your monitor probably doesn't support HDCP anyway, so the point is kind of moot.

And the drives that meet those specifications weren't manufactured after like 1995. Not an issue. Nobody knows exactly what consequences a user will see if they are using region free firmware or software hacks. You can always flash it back.

Also, I think those specs are grossly exaggerated.

[shawners]

Vista builds have been on the web for while now.. Im sure they have been at the hands of every one who knows how to crack, manipulate, and reverse engineer it in away to remove the crap thats gonna be supplied with it. Its just a matter of time. Im sticking with XP til vista fits my needs.

[Auggie2k]

Vista builds have been on the web for while now.. Im sure they have been at the hands of every one who knows how to crack, manipulate, and reverse engineer it in away to remove the crap thats gonna be supplied with it. Its just a matter of time. Im sticking with XP til vista fits my needs.
IE. Vista Antispy type of software.

[notbob]

What a bunch of FUD in this thread.

You won't even notice HDCP. If VIsta didn't support it, you'd suddenly wish it did when you can't watch your HD movies on your computer. Your monitor probably doesn't support HDCP anyway, so the point is kind of moot.

And the drives that meet those specifications weren't manufactured after like 1995. Not an issue. Nobody knows exactly what consequences a user will see if they are using region free firmware or software hacks. You can always flash it back.

Also, I think those specs are grossly exaggerated.


how long do you think it will be optional?

i'll tell you

exactly as long as it takes to pass a broacast flag law and force hardware drm on manufacturers. right now, it's optional because of hardware compliance issues

i give it 2 years tops before it's mandatory, and by the time the sheep realize it, it will be too late to do anything about it

[CrashPeer44]

guys don't rip on Microsoft they are in a bind...i mean really they got to PLEASE CUTOMERS and the big Corps

yea DRM sucks but that's why we got Linux :)

[notbob]

guys don't rip on Microsoft they are in a bind...i mean really they got to PLEASE CUTOMERS and the big Corps

yea DRM sucks but that's why we got Linux :)

don't kid yourself

if compatibility is the issue, linux will do it too

[Signa]

lets face it for all you M$ haters out there. microsoft did a great thing for the computer world. without them, we would have 5 different OSs and prolly wouldnt be running anything faster than a 200MHz. with that said, its time for M$ to become google, or get out. they have been on top too long, and now they have their heads inflated so big that they cants see whats plainly in front of them. they think they will be alright no matter what they do. they think that they can crap in a box and sell it for $300 because people will pay it. this isnt right and it cant continue forever.

[kokanezub]

we need to pirate as much as we can then save them to cds so we can watch the movies later wen we cnt d.l using vista

[mountain_rage]

lets face it for all you M$ haters out there. microsoft did a great thing for the computer world. without them, we would have 5 different OSs and prolly wouldnt be running anything faster than a 200MHz. with that said, its time for M$ to become google, or get out. they have been on top too long, and now they have their heads inflated so big that they cants see whats plainly in front of them. they think they will be alright no matter what they do. they think that they can crap in a box and sell it for $300 because people will pay it. this isnt right and it cant continue forever.

Il never believe that mentality. Computer would have evolved regardless because there was a demand for it to happen. Also even if they did help in the evolution of the computer that doesnt mean that we should have to deal with their shit.

[kokanezub]

i actually thank windows. if it wasnt for them the filesharing world would have been evolved late , also if vista is protected. im sure someone will crack it. look at service pack 2 for xp...?

[muffenme]

My opinion:

The new Windows would suck because of the crap that in it like DRM.

I would have went to Linux or Unix but they have no device manager, from the version of linux/unix I check, they have no network manager and there maybe other things.

Windows on the other hand from ME and on seem so buggie and requiring more and more resorces on ever new release. Is it just me but is XP look like Microsoft put ME from DOS to NT. In toher words XP is ME, with impovement but this is just an opinion.

I'm going to stick with Windows 2000 until I can find a Linux/Unix that would be easy to use like Windows, older version.

I don't want any form of DRM.

[drei]

lets face it for all you M$ haters out there. microsoft did a great thing for the computer world. without them, we would have 5 different OSs and prolly wouldnt be running anything faster than a 200MHz. with that said, its time for M$ to become google, or get out. they have been on top too long, and now they have their heads inflated so big that they cants see whats plainly in front of them. they think they will be alright no matter what they do. they think that they can crap in a box and sell it for $300 because people will pay it. this isnt right and it cant continue forever.

That is such a bunch of crap computers would have evolved regardless of M$. Things evolve out of necessity and need.

[TheScaryOne]

what exactly looks good about vista?

it looks like xp with a shitload of crippling drm and some worthless eye candy. other than the bad stuff that got leaked through patent documentation, there hasn't been a report of anything that should make anyone run out and get vista

Nothing will make anyone run out and get Vista. Except for the fact that they'll drop support for XP six months after Vista's release. And if that happens anytime soon, then XP will be fucked. It's kind of hard to stick with an operating system that is filled with security holes that are still being discovered. Ahh. Planned obsoleteness at it's best. It's a shame that most virus writers use linux, or them ruining XP for themselves would be kind of funny.

[Auggie2k]

The good thing about DRM? Everything can be cracked.

[kokanezub]

what i say is if we can redirect napster with napigator or hack xolox when it shut down 3 years ago, if we can BOOTLEG WINDOWS XP!!! im sure enough we can crack vista, i mean longhorn is all over p2p

[Digital Bliss]

You know whats funny everyone said that about winxp even i did and well i was wrong. I guess we just need to give it time its not even out yet.

[.:sp00ky:.]

nlite will work with vista...thas something good about it.

[shawners]

Imagine all hardware that have implemented the drm for vista or what not.. And then trying to build a pc where you can flash the bios or get the componets off it. There be laws, and that the hardware companies have to follow it, and i will definetly hope that this crushes MICROSOFT.. Look at the sony backlash, yet when PS3 comes out, they would have forgotten all about it.

[pimpinaman]

I recently read a comparison of Vista to that of Windows Me. It will have to do somethings really well to pull folks from XP.

[-0-BACKLASH-0-]

a lot of people will be forced to use it when they buy new pcs (bundled). They could always go back, but if they aren't computer savvy or don't have xp then they will end up using it.

[mountain_rage]

a lot of people will be forced to use it when they buy new pcs (bundled). They could always go back, but if they aren't computer savvy or don't have xp then they will end up using it.

That is quite true and also a real problem. The nice thing is that if alot of those people are fed up because their media wont play, or they cant use that program that they wanted to use they will get fed up and bitch. People like to bitch and change and if microsoft gives them bad changes they will bitch.

[MorphineInduced]

for all those that assume that microsoft is some company that should be praised for advancing technology need to do some research........ how can you sit there and type that when it wasnt to long that they were trying anything they could to own linux which was free based and yet at the sametime if microsoft had there way they would make it so all you could do is buy there shit..... its called a monopoly and o yeah they have already been called that in the past........... and when you get shit like that then you have technology put out when they want it and not when its needed..... and this is among other things that will have a negative impact...... yet you seem to not see that in this but yet at the sametime i am writing this its becoming apparently obvious that the music and film industries has been doing this the whole time and thats why you get crappy music nowadays ........... so all i can say is continue with that thought and maybe you will see all the many ways you have been and will be raped with.......

[MItch-Z]

Vista already sucks...
Is it true that if you have Vista intalled, it HAS to be IPv6?

[lifehacker]

Will most programs that can be run under windows xp run under Vista?

[VAMPYRE BLADE]

I have had vista installed on a 1300 mhz celeron since i downloaded it in december, it seems to work fine it hasnt crashed on me when i have used it, but i am not that impressed with it, maybe it will get better with the next beta release.

[Signa]

Vista already sucks...
Is it true that if you have Vista intalled, it HAS to be IPv6?


is there somthing wrong with IPv6? i haddent heard it was bad or anything untill you said somthing

[nukehella]

I have had vista installed on a 1300 mhz celeron .
Funny how they say you'll probaly need a 3 gig processor.
I ran it with a 750 Duron.(I also tried running it with VMware on a Athlon 3000(32bit)machine but it didn't work)I didn't get the aero graphics (if build 5270 even has it)but it seemed to do everything else.IE7 reminds me of an old version of Mozilla.I doubt I'll be jumping on this anytime soon.It took me over 2 years to move from W2K.
Like somebody else said-time to move from a part time Linux user to full time.(soon come)

[zaphodiv]

>Is it true that if you have Vista intalled, it HAS to be IPv6?

No this is not true.

[multi]

I would have went to Linux or Unix but they have no device manager, from the version of linux/unix I check, they have no network manager and there maybe other things.
thats pretty funny..
there are no device/network managers
but all the info is there
hardware is detected often with Kudzu or something similar
at boot or at installation

network manager?
like the local network properties in windows?

[Afn]

how long do you think it will be optional?

i'll tell you

exactly as long as it takes to pass a broacast flag law and force hardware drm on manufacturers. right now, it's optional because of hardware compliance issues

i give it 2 years tops before it's mandatory, and by the time the sheep realize it, it will be too late to do anything about it

I like the concept of a broadcast flag, provided the spec be worked out. In an HDTV world, even an mpeg-1 recording will look good.

The problem with the broadcast flag technology, is you CAN NOT record anything for any reason if the content/program is flagged.

Accountablity... just because people will pirate your work and remove sponsors, does not mean in any way you should be given the explict power to prevent all copying and fair use, so you can protect your monopolies in media, public opinion and preserve market share.

Broadcast flag is good if it creates a degraded copy. If people can not do it digitally, then they will do it with a camcorder and a DV tape.

[crestfallen]

Also, even if broadcast flag legislation is passed, it is up to the content provider to determine how they will restrict our rights.

Anyway, there is no DRM "in Windows." They are simply supporting the HDCP protected pathway.

[bigsean]

lets face it for all you M$ haters out there. microsoft did a great thing for the computer world.
without them, we would have 5 different OSs and prolly wouldnt be running anything faster than a 200MHz.

Exactly, If microsoft hadn't made an OS we would need only 200mhz to run a computer.