News survey:

[evilmegaman]

Ok I am doing a survey to see whether or not you guys think that we should start setting up our news like Unitethecows so that every post would go to the forums and has to be accepted by a moderator? I have seen so many complaints about the way Zeropaid allows the news to be spammed as it is, I would like you guys to decide.

[cheapprick]

I think it should be given a little more time. The moderating is getting better. Some of those other sites think the grapes are sour.

[Aaron73153]

Well I'm startin to get sick of those people talking about the "evils" of the drug companies and such. I think alot of this could be cured by simply only allowing registered users to comment on news.

[«°¤§téålth§t®îk餰»]

i don't even read the posts, the only time i did was for the one about ZalZah and posted a link for a thread, so i don't really care.

Then again, i think that one thing should be changed. That is the names, it would be good to have registered users post there cause you really do get some crap from wierdos! Like Aaron73153 said.

[Azo-999]

"Kept as is" is my poll and it's winning. Spam is spam for one and not for the other. If we would begin to restrict the posts at news, I think that would be non-equality and the quality against amount could be worse after a while.
This is quite an open site for all kinds of stuff and opinions etc...
If someone have too much time to do nothing else than to blame the news, that should ne considered as his/her's problem...This is (or should be) a free world - why making it less free here, because I've seen TOOOOoooo many restrictions made for one of our basic freedoms : that is to write and read without becoming a "criminal".
Maybe we should split the news section to 2 pieces : 1 for all and second for the "inner circle", still allowing the quests to read both of them...?

Peace for ManKind and Kind Man (whoever he is..) !!!

:sw :sw :sw

[Sephiroth]

No.. I dont like to copy other sites setup. What works for them may not work here. As for the news section i think what would work best would be the following..

1. Moderating(needed badly)
2. High time post limits(to discourage people from using the news comments like a forum)
3. Registered only(last resort)

[jonny5]

Ya moderators are definitly needed for the news section.

[trickclaw]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
No.. I dont like to copy other sites setup. What works for them may not work here. As for the news section i think what would work best would be the following..

1. Moderating(needed badly)
2. High time post limits(to discourage people from using the news comments like a forum)
3. Registered only(last resort)
I agree, the problem is the same news story gets posted twice. I always check the news section, so that won't happen if I am moderator. High time post limits might work also.

[Azo-999]

Originally posted by Dealie
Just ban that pt.aol guy.
Or better yet. Contact aol with his ip.
Spam them for awhile. They'll get the hint.

I think, that IP-banning is not same as moderating. But I understand the situation : 1 or 2 peeps can make the whole news-site annoying by spamming there, what they want (and what we don't want!).

But must it always be like this. I've seen it happening at too many situations : 1-2% of people are making things hard (examples are a lot - many laws have been made out just for that 1% anarchy people's cause and then everyone has to suffer of those...).

So, let's close the section for free people that just do not want to register and still are making a goood job by posting innovative and interesting news out there (because of few "anarchists")...

BUT - what I understand, is the fact that those "bad guys" are "on market" here as registered users too. So what's the difference : now they can spam under the shield of forum's memberity...

Seen many threads where people are spamming / provocating (Sephi just closed one "shareaza"-case for that). So they can continue freely at news : Make sitates of their own writings and say that source is Reuters ;-)
ETC...

The more restrictions, the more anarchy. That has been true for over 6000 years now, so why would it end here and now? We people seem to have a slow evolution speed vs. the amount of growing information and technology we have....
(considering mostly of those ones, that "let the monkeys out of gage" ;-)

A wise man says nothing between others arguees - he listens and learns...and finally says the last clause!

Regards and Peace !!!

:sw :sw :sw

[crackerjacker]

no leave the news sectin like that, yeah people will make obscene , vulgar posts and the such, but ignore it,
hmmm@ this but it could if it wanted to be in the sense be more moderated, but if u moderate it
good luk lots of posts come to play on zp, especially in the news section
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ego plays a big part
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[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by crackerjacker
no leave the news sectin like that, yeah people will make obscene , vulgar posts and the such, but ignore it,

Why so you can continue to spam the news comments and mess them up so no one else can post just because you dont like the discussion or people dont pay attention to you probably because you cannot post in a complete sentence.

I think if banning people is started then you should be the first one banned then the aol guy spamming his crap about pharmacutial companies.. You have been getting away with too much too long IMO.

[Azo-999]

Originally posted by Dealie
Just ban all of aol.
And then ask aol for money to support their users when they start to complain.
Make people get some real isp's

And again we get the situation, where Big Site would be banned because of few people not understanding the "basic invisible rules" of good behaviour...That really is NOT a decision for the main problem : those (few) people themselves...

Not all have the money to pay ISP-bills, they can be from $10 up to $200 (and more)/ month and they make us to pay for their "goodies and content" that we won't even need! Many 28-56k owners will stay with those free IC's having no compulsion of takin' awards more than some spam-mails which can be filtered out with dedicated apps...
Besides AOL does take money (they give certain amount of "hours-free" and then begin to charge! You can go there by "anonymizer", generate social-security codes, use black-marketed Visa-Accounts etc and create those free hours over and over again. Hey, this is the world we live in...

So as I noted, IP-banning is no problem for those using fake names with anonymizers, that's all of IP's (and modem users do not have static ones either...).

So, where's the actual problem and it's solution - please, Sephi or Someone, answer to me too, I'm feeling too stupid today to understand :
a). What can be done, b). what will be done, c). how does that affect to the real case. I really do know one fact and that is : if the news section will be restricted to members only, it will not stop the spamming, because who ever can be a member here (with fakes or not) and do the dirty job from here.
Secondly, if U start to read and filter / modify all da news, how can we ever more trust, whether the rest are original or "moderated"....
If that day comes, I simply begin to read the news from reuters, cnn, google, altavista, yahoo etc..., where the fact of the facts is as weak as here ;-)

Now I'm Talking to YOU MR. SPAMMER (Yes, You know who I mean if U're reading this) : Stop Your Dirty Work and Grow UP - we really Do NOT want to be restricted by a few monkeys out there. What da HEX do U reach by that nonsence : if U need attention, there are other places for U and Ur Kinds!!! ('KinterGarden'...)

So, good starting afternoon from Finland (01:30pm) and have a NIIiiice day all of U and...Peace !!!

:sw :sw :sw

[cheapprick]

"Secondly, if U start to read and filter / modify all da news, how can we ever more trust, whether the rest are original or "moderated".... "

I won't speak for anyone else, but I've only chopped the spam king, replies to the spam king, the spam princess, and direct flames at each other.

edit: I will also chop links to porn or warez sites, but nobody is surprised by that either.

[Azo-999]

Originally posted by cheapprick
"Secondly, if U start to read and filter / modify all da news, how can we ever more trust, whether the rest are original or "moderated".... "
I won't speak for anyone else, but I've only chopped the spam king, replies to the spam king, the spam princess, and direct flames at each other.
edit: I will also chop links to porn or warez sites, but nobody is surprised by that either.

Those ones I agree totally :
Let the prince flame his princess somewhere else, because those are no actual news (IRC would be a good place for kids like them).

I've seen too many fanatics and lunatics ay my 43 years (remembering only about 38 y of it ;-) and that has been happening at all ages, races, countries - simply to say : at whole world, and I think it's not stoppin' for next 1000 years either (and that's always the 1% of us - affecting hard to us 99% rest people, who have the sences of reality (still) in a good shape)

And links to porn or warez sites : Yes, they must be chopped by a few reasons :
1. Kids under 15y are visiting here!
2. They who need them can change linkz at PM's and P2P-apps chat screens, IRC etc...
3. If they should remain, I believe that this whole site could be banned by Central Intelligence Agency or some other org. dedicated for tending the Internet's look and feel...

P.S. Just as a notice - U make a hard work with reading all da skit through (do U?) and that really takes resources of other doings. Wouldn't it be nice that people just change and write politely and correctly, no flamin', no politics, no compulsion-tryings to force us make this and that.
(I seem to hope for the "1000-Years Imperium of Jesus" from the wholy bible ..;-)=

Regards for Master Yoda (im memoriam) and Let The Force Be With You!

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[TipYourBartender]

To quote Arnold Schwarzenegger, STOP WHINING. There will always be flamers, no matter now you do it.

As for news mods, although they do quite a job, I don't like the idea of censorship, especially on a site that purports to be against it.

Some things you just have to grin and bear.

Although I think I speak for everyone when I say that ZP should ban the IP address of that guy who talks about the drug companies. He's just a moron.

[Ken17625]

I like the idea of "only having registered users post". That would solve a lot of your problems.

[Azo-999]

Originally posted by TipYourBartender
To quote Arnold Schwarzenegger, STOP WHINING. There will always be flamers, no matter now you do it.


Be more exact please. I did not understand who's WHINING, please explain... (Not me nor the others, just where's the point?)

And flamers - allways be - I do not think so, because always is quite a long time. Let's wait some 1000 years and suffer some catastrophs etc that will teach people not to "whine" anymore.

U believe in reincarnation? If so, then U (and I) will see the better and worse days (somewhere else, as somebody else...;-)

Regards and Peace!

:sw :sw :sw

[wessman]

Option #1: Kept as is.

I think the set-up makes ZP unique from Slashdot and UnitedTheCows. The news stories are still moderated, and the news comments have become better.

#2: get rid of it.

...but, the design of the news comments was never well thought-out, IMO, and making the news more forum driven would do two things: (1) require registration (which would hypothetically improve quality of comments); and (2) bring the ZP community closer together, because the two major components of ZP would be in one place. For instance, I used to be the primary news/homepage submitter, but now I simply dump news stories in the forums. I like the audience better, but I think a lot of readers never see my threads. I think incorporating news into the forums would offer the owners of ZP much more flexibility with regards to the future of ZP's structure.

#3: Put replies in forum to be reviewed by moderator

This sounds like a logistical nightmare, a bad compramising solution. One or the other is better at this point in ZP's life.

#4: spam is tasty

I think the SPAM is a complete nuisance, but I think there are many more reasons why incorporating news into the forums is a great idea.

...in the end, there is moderating in both places, so I think it's important for ZP's owners to consider the how a change now would affect site maintenance.

[klimt da man]

I'm new to this place, but I don't think that only allowing registered users to post will solve your problem. When people want to flame, they just make up another account. I just posted a *very* unpopular point of view on another site and wondered if I should do it anonymously. Force ZP users to register and the number of people going by diff names will increase dramatically, which I think, would be a bad thing. (I posted under my name, incidentally. let the flames begin)

I agree with Azo. The more restrictions, the more crazy people get, and maybe they should. One site I know that had some problems made it clear that there were going to be two sections -- one for regular, netiquette-schooled posting, and the other a no-holds-barred opinionfest. That's still no guarantee, but with the ability to bump a thread from one area to the other, and letting people cut loose a little, I think they've done the right thing.

and now I insert the bouncing frog :fire