What are you going to do If the RIAA shuts down another program!?

[Joe_mamaZP]

The RIAA keeps wanting to shut down programs like Kazaa. If they do that what would you do. I think we should go find RIAA HQ and get signs and boycott them. Instead of sitting around here saying RIAA sucks. Why don't we do something about it. Not Secretly hack there web site either. Lets write to them everyday until we get an answer. I really mean this to. We should all write them Letters in the mail once a week until they respond with an answer. I want to know there reasons. I know there reasons but I want them to tell them to me.

[notbob]

How 'bout this--keep sharing files and ignore them

that's what i'll do

[mojo-ris-in]

:devil Agreed notbob though programs come and go the revolution continues. File Sharing can't be stopped by shutting down these programs. People will just migrate to the next big thing. Look what happened after Napster, Audiogalaxy, et. all. The concept is always going to be there even if the means to do it changes.

[method]

I'd just code some more peer-2-peer programs (what I'm working on now is a direct result of the RIAA taking AudioGalaxy down)... ;)

[blady]

SongSpy died today. I died with it.

[d-koolest]

I agree - just keep sharing. Maybe if we ignore the RIAA long enough, they'll stop making money, and just dry up and blow away!

Wishful thinking...

[Wolfie]

They asked same question before napster went down and we saw what happened. It was not the end of the world and there were other programs migrate to and continue sharing.

[Wolfie]

I think saw a thread on here that says they (the bridge) are not online yet or something like that. So is RIAA now into pre-emptive strikes (kinda popular these days, lol) now?

[Wolfie]

good one :D

[Rickio]

people will find new ways to share, not matter what the toll booth captains say or do...

thier is always ftp, mirc, messenger services allow file sharing etc.

get a list of friends and keep sharing.

Peace!

[Travis982]

The best way to fight the RIAA is DON'T BUY THEIR CDs!! (And, of course, keep sharing).

We all know the only thing they understand is money---So vote with your pocketbook eh.

Listen, the RIAA bast**ds have f**ked over the artists, the consumers, and even the music stores. It's time they went the way of the dinosaur.

I know this is unusually hot-headed posting for me. But I just watched an old Hitler movie, and guess who I was reminded of?

[Plastic]

Ya I agree with what Rickio says. It really doesn't matter what the riaa or anyone does there will awalys be places to download your music/games/apps.

[PowerMan57two]

as much as I would like KazaA to shutdown, they wont. Why you ask why I wish they'd shut down cause I hate the dumbass program, lol I think it's the suckiest program out there will all the fake files going around on it, and all the looped songs, and all the songs that are cut off. but they will not shutdown because kazaa is in Australia now, and the USA cannot tell other companies in other countries what to do. That is what th court is arguing here. and if all the p2p programs got shutdown, what I would do is what i do now. use the mp3 web sites that share full albums and full mp3 cd quality songs before the stuff is even released to the public. I have about 7 mp3 sites saved in my favorites, and everytime I want a song I just search the site, download the file and I know it's complete and full cd quality :-)

[MorningSon]

If the RIAA shuts down another program, then i will wait for another program to pop up, it won't be that long

[wesr]

"The best way to fight the RIAA is DON'T BUY THEIR CDs!! (And, of course, keep sharing).

We all know the only thing they understand is money---So vote with your pocketbook eh.

Listen, the RIAA bast**ds have f**ked over the artists, the consumers, and even the music stores. It's time they went the way of the dinosaur.

I know this is unusually hot-headed posting for me. But I just watched an old Hitler movie, and guess who I was reminded of?"

Well, if we dont buy any cd's then their would not be much to share. so i think buy cd's, but do so sparingly(i guess thats the word) so just buy maybe 1 every 2 months or somethin.

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by wesr
" But I just watched an old Hitler movie, and guess who I was reminded of?"


How many guesses do we get? Considering the number of people one sees on TV that fit the profile these days, lol!

As for buying CDs and such I still buy CDs which have at least 50% content that does not suck, but with online music I don't have waste money buying a 15-18 $ CD for the sake of 2 or 3 songs. The RIAA can shut down as many P2P programs until they run out of lawyer money but the truth is it is like chopping off heads of the Hydra one at a time. For every head that gets cut off ten more grows back in its place. For every program that the RIAA derails there will be several new ones to take it place.

[Jared592]

We need a representative to which the RIAA can channel their pleas and apologies when they realize they can't exist without us...hmmm.....

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by Jared592
We need a representative to which the RIAA can channel their pleas and apologies when they realize they can't exist without us...hmmm.....

Does this mean we need to have an election?

[method]

Anyone ever heard of the Hackers Manifesto.. or... The Mentors Last Words.. It's a good bit of writing that has been around for years and years..

http://hem.passagen.se/ineluki/ch_mentor.html

I know the whole piece isn't totally relevant to P2P.. but of most relevance is this...

"We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals."

;)

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by method
Anyone ever heard of the Hackers Manifesto.. or... The Mentors Last Words.. It's a good bit of writing that has been around for years and years..

http://hem.passagen.se/ineluki/ch_mentor.html

I know the whole piece isn't totally relevant to P2P.. but of most relevance is this...

"We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals."

;)



I've read that before.....great fucking text.....fits every misfit with a brain.
Some fit me.....like teachers repeating shit I already know...always saying we're on chapter 3 why are you reading 9? God I couldn't stand that. Anyway P2P will never die......fuck you RIAA....

The masses have spoken your goose is cooked. Just die already!



Peace all, Later

[Caitlyn Marble]

I'm surprised the anti-trust people in Washington haven't gotten to the RIAA yet. What they have is a monopoly on music. Why the hell do I have to spend extra to import a disc that's available only in England??? Why the hell wasn't it released here? I understand that I may not sell well, and so It won't be put under production due to monetary concerns. Well put the damn thing up for download, but cut the price to something like 5$, since I'm not getting any artwork or a case, or a disc for that matter. And make it so I can buy it without a credit card. A ton of p2pers are under 18 (thus no credit card) and so they can't buy stuff over the links, including music. And put that over at 320 bitrate too, since that's the closest to the CD quality I was going to get.

And they shouldn't put Britney or other top 40 people up on for money download, that just aggravates the problem when companies use up all thier bandwidth promoting an artist that gets promoted everywhere else. I wanna see indie/unknown/forign artists up for "legal" download at a good quality. And no strings CD burns. I have my fair use rights when I buy music you know.

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Caitlyn Marble
I'm surprised the anti-trust people in Washington haven't gotten to the RIAA yet. What they have is a monopoly on music. Why the hell do I have to spend extra to import a disc that's available only in England??? Why the hell wasn't it released here? I understand that I may not sell well, and so It won't be put under production due to monetary concerns. Well put the damn thing up for download, but cut the price to something like 5$, since I'm not getting any artwork or a case, or a disc for that matter. And make it so I can buy it without a credit card. A ton of p2pers are under 18 (thus no credit card) and so they can't buy stuff over the links, including music. And put that over at 320 bitrate too, since that's the closest to the CD quality I was going to get.

And they shouldn't put Britney or other top 40 people up on for money download, that just aggravates the problem when companies use up all thier bandwidth promoting an artist that gets promoted everywhere else. I wanna see indie/unknown/forign artists up for "legal" download at a good quality. And no strings CD burns. I have my fair use rights when I buy music you know.


So true so true....If Anime OST disc's weren't 39 fucking dollars each I'd buy every single one I like.....MP3 comes close but it'll never sound exactly the same. An the prices are to high....they don't have them on legit sites. So fuck it....I buy all my anime on DVD if I really like it.....I don't feel bad when I download the OST (original soundtrack) to some anime I bought since they charge more for a damn import audio CD then they do for the anime itself. An besides that I'm still pissed that most places charge 29 bucks plus tax for 4 ep's of oh say CCS or X TV. An charge 22 bucks for a shitty "card captors" dub....when they damn well know any true fan of a series will buy the subbed version thats uncut....they even put "original jap. uncut" on the damn DVD pack to push you to buy it! They obviously know what there doing.....bastards! I hate the RIAA an the MPAA! An any other damn place that feels it's ok to screw someone over just because they can.

This is totally a rant....so ignore it if you want. LOL


Anyway I'm all calm now so

Peace all, Later

[Jared592]

Originally posted by Wolfie


Does this mean we need to have an election?

Hmmm.....that would be an idea...We DO need to be more organized...maybe a political party, "the p2p party"..haha.....seriously though, I think it would be beneficial for us to have a representative rather than having tons of uncoordinated rants.

[the creed]

our group should be called the creed (creed=any statement of faith, thanks to world book delux 99) our group is called the creed and our creed is that no person, company, or group shall be able to shove their hand up a senators ass like they were a puppet because they have the all too important green papper i will start a thread in this same section to organize so that we may have at least a finger up there :wings when bill relating to p2p and other issues relating to free speech come up, what we will do as soon as we have a small following we will hol elections for pres and that person will then direct our actions we will post new bill at state and local level and advise each other on who to contact, we will test new p2p networks for their quality and content so our people will be able to find quality alternitive to networks the riaa shuts down and we will also help each other in creating these networks and endorsing them if you want to join please go to a thread under p2p politics called the creed and discuss what will happen next please join for the voices of millions yelling in random will cause nothing but anarchy dispare and confusion but thousands of voices united by valid ideas wispering in usisson will move mountais and our creed will be heard no matter how much money anyone or group who speeks against us has:sw

[the creed]

i found this wonderful prog called ares that i think we should all switch to anyways it has a small userbase but the interface is simple and there is not much different besides the built in web browser and that it is not run by a bunch of idiots it is spyware free to begin with no need for hacking they create a clean copy free so i say we all switch to it now before shaman hacks our camps and spys on us so they can sell our lives her is the home page

http://www.softgap.com/

and :shoot shaman can die for all i care

:finger :ass :hi :devil2

[Jared592]

Originally posted by the creed
our group should be called the creed (creed=any statement of faith, thanks to world book delux 99) our group is called the creed and our creed is that no person, company, or group shall be able to shove their hand up a senators ass like they were a puppet because they have the all too important green papper i will start a thread in this same section to organize so that we may have at least a finger up there :wings when bill relating to p2p and other issues relating to free speech come up, what we will do as soon as we have a small following we will hol elections for pres and that person will then direct our actions we will post new bill at state and local level and advise each other on who to contact, we will test new p2p networks for their quality and content so our people will be able to find quality alternitive to networks the riaa shuts down and we will also help each other in creating these networks and endorsing them if you want to join please go to a thread under p2p politics called the creed and discuss what will happen next please join for the voices of millions yelling in random will cause nothing but anarchy dispare and confusion but thousands of voices united by valid ideas wispering in usisson will move mountais and our creed will be heard no matter how much money anyone or group who speeks against us has:sw
We shouldn't call it "the creed" because that sounds like some freak religious cult....that or a creed fan club....Yep, in either case we're perceived negatively, whether as a cult or as a group of weiners sharing in our weinerly taste in weiner music.

[Ken17625]

"i found this wonderful prog called ares that i think we should all switch "

Hate to burst your bubble of joy but Ares is a GNUTELLA client. Therefore, what your really saying is "switch to Gnutella". Switch to Gnutella? Uh, no thank you.

[Sephiroth]

Threads like this are stupid because they are based on what ifs and only elicit paranoid, thoughts based off fear and assumptions and false hopes are posted.

Look File Sharing and P2P is not about the "underground" P2P and file sharing does have a ligitimate purpose and not alot of people here realize this.. The "underground" was always there its the same as it was from before and it probably wont change.. File Sharing is just being used as their means of distribution if it fails then they will find some other way.

CCSDUDE if you pay attention Anime movies are rarely rated so the MPAA has little to do with them. The reason why they are high priced because there isnt that much demand for them just feel lucky that someone picked up the license so its even avaible..

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Sephiroth

CCSDUDE if you pay attention Anime movies are rarely rated so the MPAA has little to do with them. The reason why they are high priced because there isnt that much demand for them just feel lucky that someone picked up the license so its even avaible..

Sadly..fansub's are better then most releases....so I and many other 'otakus" could care less about stuff being picked up by a greedy US group like manga ent. or ADV or any of the other places.....

I wasn't bitching about just them....Pioneer/funimation ect are the ones to blame for the high prices. But since we're all on the "the RIAA/MPAA sucks!" bandwagon I figured they'd be worth a mention.

And I totally disagree....theres a major demand for 'em. Check out any site that has a forum fulla anime fans. Some of 'em spend so much on anime related products and or the actual DVD's it boggles even my mind.
They know what there doing...if they didn't they wouldn't set everything up to push the diehard fans into paying more for a sub. Sub's cost less...dubs cost more....and it's ass backwards. We pay more for a sub and less for a dub which makes no sense. They know what we like and they push us to pay more. Eh, thank god for P2P......


Later

[Sephiroth]

Look theres hardcore fan sites for any topic on the internet.. Anime(good anime) is not in high demand like movies are.. Which is why there isnt more anime in movie threaters or new series on tv..

Most fansubs translations suck.. Parts are lost in the translation so you dont get the full experiance also fansubs are done by fans and so their interptation and the creators interptation could be two entirely different things.

They are useful to view new series that arent avaible to see if its worth getting. If you notice that once a series gets licensed in the US then many fansubs will stop if its a series and not produce any more and encourage people to delete it and buy it.

[Jackl]

I have to disagree with you there.

I don't know, maybe you and I watch different anime, but for the last 60 episodes of fan subbed anime that I've watched theres only maybe 4 sentences/moments that make me say "Huh?".

All of the lines within these animes seem correct and fit the situation well in each scene.

And trust me the transition teams(people who translate said anime) have been known to screw up every now and then in order to meet a release deadline.

BTW I actually am assuming this, this procedeur is used for games. So if I am completely off base, forgive my inaccuracy.
The creators rarely translate their own work, studios/distributers
will lend a few translators to plug and chug the words out, while the films maker is conjuring up Part 2 of the film.


If you want a good example of bad translation in a product try the videogame Final Fantasy IV the first U.S. release version. So entire subplots were changed/left out.

Well thats my rant, if anything is incorrect its either because I have no idea what I'm talking about and I'm assuming things or because its 2 in the morning.

Edit: Sorry I got off topic I thought the video games link would tie in well.

[Siskabush]

WinMX.
But thier newest version sucks nuts. it makes it hard to download songs.

Hopefully there is a better p2p program

[Crazy Horse]

The cat & mouse game will just continue on & on. Every time one gets shut down 4 or 5 more pop up. Then your choices get larger & better. It also puts the task of making the program harder to shut down to the developers.

[cheapprick]

If they shut another down; I will format my hard drive, scratch my cd-r's, light my cable modem on fire and contact the RIAA and ask how I can send them half of my wages for life. I mean, isn't this everyones plan?

[risingfoam]

The Riaa will not be able to shut down all p2p programs. The ones they might be able to shut down are centralized p2p programs, otherwise it will be useless to try to shut down decentralized networks.
:hole

[Zero Pain]

Originally posted by d-koolest
I agree - just keep sharing. Maybe if we ignore the RIAA long enough, they'll stop making money, and just dry up and blow away!

Wishful thinking...


I wish that were true! Unfortunately there being bankrolled by corporations with lots of money. I worry more about the mpa then riaa because thats what im into. Right now there(mpa) not too much of a concern but as internet connection speed increases where going to see more of them!


Hacking there website is a start but cyberterrorism now that's where its really at:devil


Honestly I wouldnt give two shites if a Mcvae type charachter parked a truck bomb right outside there building:black

I bet alot of the sumbitches that work there go home and dwnld copyrighted material for there own personal use everyday:fire

[toddot4u]

the RIAA and MPAA dont understand that the more they try to stop us the more were not gonna budge and the more people flock to file sharing prog. because the more they make a big deal out of this on the news more people will hear about it and become interested and the number just keeps growing and growing.....so i say fuck 'em they can't arrest all 50 million (rough estimate of the U.S.)people that share files

[Siskabush]

If hilary and her evil RIAA henchmen can listen to all 90% of the music produced in the world for free, let alone profit off it, Arent we the P2P community, at least entitled to 900 songs each?

I seriously doubt hilary owns a single CD that she paid money for.

Hilary should be thankful that no one profited off the leaked Eminem CD in May.

I got sick of it by the official release date.

[nasrules]

lol good one travis.......fuck the lot of em!

[overdo]

hmmm what's going to happen if by some magical and unknown court process, the RIAA etc force the closure of sharman? every1s going to carry on using kazaa of course. (i think they might need some mental help when they here this)

[chipperrox]

its basically an arms race, its the sucky RIAA versus millions of horny males who want free p0rn and o yea music. ps the RIAA is dumber than swiss cheese (which when u think about it should be pretty smart, caise its swiss. i guess because of the holes, "its not totally there" (a bad pun))

i predict that if all p2p shiz is stoped (aint gonna happen) [people will flock to irc, wich will suck for the people alreadu there who arent newblers, criten is overcrowded as it is, we need someone to mirror that place and bad~! i think the RIAA should go to H-E-double hockey sticks as my kind gartten teacher used to say (i think its the funniest fraze if u say it in a dorky voice)

[NDGAARONDI]

Well what's more to Kazaa is that Sharman Networks are based in Pacific British Territories, known as Vanuatu. People work in Australia for them. Source code (or something like that) are in Estonia. Computers in Denmark. You get the idea.

Well Denmark have started charging users' downloads now; not sure when exactly though. But the RIAA doubt very much be able to take out Kazaa especially when British Territory is involved. Just for the pure reason that England's most superior judges' court (House of Lords) isnt really (or never used to be) wouldnt like to be 'bossed' around by American judges.

And some countries that are part of the Commonwealth (and once ruled by Great Britain) have their law based on English law since we use the same legal system. All p2p networks in England need to do really is issue a user agreement upon installation of the software claiming that they're not responsible for the users' action and dont support illegal activities - and that's it!

So if p2p networks locate themselves in those countries they will be safer there than in America that's for sure.

[overdo]

btw the situation in denmarks is this:

a large anti-piracy group, based in denmark searches for Danish music and then establishes the IP, and therefore the location of a user. they then intimidate the ISP to give out the name and address of that user, who they then bill for all the songs, albums, movies and software they are sharing.

[Siskabush]

wouldnt that be illegal though, according to the RIAA, to profit off pirated music? (Unless the RIAA funds them)

And are these bills legit? If they are just typed down or written down, then they cant expect to receive payment.

[NDGAARONDI]

Who said that all material shared is under the RIAA's authority? There are other owners etc.

[overdo]

Originally posted by Siskabush
wouldnt that be illegal though, according to the RIAA, to profit off pirated music? (Unless the RIAA funds them)

And are these bills legit? If they are just typed down or written down, then they cant expect to receive payment.

the antipiracy group is acting for danish artists and all other artists. they are "not" profiting from illlegal music, they are billing ppl for it, then according to them, sending the relevant money to each copyright holder. and the RIAA doesn't own the world, they may say it is illegal but doesn't mean that it is.

as for the bills being legit, i think that many ppl are just paying out of fear, so that they don't go to court.