France legalizes p2p!

[mcovey]

Just in the news.. I know we've got a couple of French speakers including myself so...
http://www.kretz.biz/p2p.htm

And for the others:
Right of author: the French representatives legalize the exchanges of files

PARIS (AFP) - The representatives adopted against all expectation Wednesday evening of amendments legalizing the exchanges of files on internet through the system "peer to peer" (P2P) at the time of the discussion of the law project on the right of author. The assembly adopted, against the opinion of the government, two identical amendments in this direction, presented the one by the representative UMP Alain Suguenot and the other by the representatives socialist by a vote to ballot public by 30 voices for and 28 voices against. These amendments to the first item of the law project, item devoted to the exceptions to the right of author, spread to the internet the exceptions for copies deprived in provident in compensation a remuneration of the artists. That comes back to to authorize the copies for non commercial usages and therefore the downloading by exchange files of films or of music by the system P2P. This vote questions all the architecture of the law project defended by the minister of the Culture Renaud Donnedieu of Vabres of which the heart aimed exactly to legitimize the technical measures preventing the exchanges of files and to penalize the contournement of these measures. The representative Christian Paul congratulated itself for this vote "months result of work". "This the essential element of a global license" he added in the corridors of the national assembly. The socialists propose exactly a system of "global or legal license" that would allow, with payment, a downloading on internet. Several representatives of the ump of which Christine Boutin and Alain Suguenot defend equally this "global license". The law project on the right of author gives rise to multiples worries with the netsurfers, the associations of consumers, the journalists and the university ones and divides equally leave them.


basically for personal use, any downloading is permitted.

[.:sp00ky:.]

basically for personal use, any downloading is permitted.

its always been like that no ones been sued for downloading its for uploading the headline is stupid it should read

France legalizes leeching

as p2p is all about sharing which is still illegal.

[boogiedan]

nice post
i say a big bravo too all the French

we in Britain should follow-- Although i dont think we will!!

[zarquon]

its always been like that no ones been sued for downloading its for uploading the headline is stupid it should read

France legalizes leeching

as p2p is all about sharing which is still illegal.

No they are actually leagizing sharing by placing a 33% surchage on isp cost to go towards licencing.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=fr_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.liberation.com%2Fpage.php%3FA rticle%3D346728

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=avOoTq8aXkU8&refer=europe

[axlman]

Paragraphs would be nice. Would be easier to read! :)

[Burd]

So, does this mean that everyone in France can upload legally? Therefore, if downloading is legal here in the U.S., but not uploading, then France will be our primary "supplier." Viva La France!

[mountain_rage]

So, does this mean that everyone in France can upload legally? Therefore, if downloading is legal here in the U.S., but not uploading, then France will be our primary "supplier." Viva La France!

Just as long as you dont mind french movies. Personally I like them because they are original compared to the repetition of the crap from ameria

[Odebi]

hi everybody, her's some news from France


P2p file sharing is legal, says France

p2p news / p2pnet: In a major upset to the entertainment cartels which have been trying to sue people into buying 'product,' France has become the first country in the world to, "propose the legalization of P2P downloading," as the Association of Audionautes sums it up.

"The French Parliament voted last night to allow free sharing of music and movies on the Internet, setting up a conflict with both the French government and with media companies," says Bloomberg News.

"If the amendment survives, France would be the first country to legalize so called peer-to-peer downloading, said Jean-Baptiste Soufron, legal counsel to the Association of Audionautes, a French group that defends people accused of improperly sharing music files.

"The law would be a blow to media companies that increasingly use the courts worldwide to sue people for downloading or sharing music and movie files."

The government can overturn the amendment, either by re-opening debate or if the Senate votes it down when the bill moves to the upper house. French Culture Minister Renaud Donnedieu de Vabres has asked that parliament re-open debate on the amendment today, says Bloomberg, quoting Agence France Presse.

Audionautes, founded by founded by French high-school and college students, says if the amendment goes through, the French Code of Intellectual Property will feature article L-122-5 stating authors won't be able to stop the online dissemination of their works in any format provided downloads are meant for private use only; and, there's no direct or indirect commercial exploitation.

Thes provisions were proposed by Audionautes and the Artist-Public Alliance.

Definitely stay tuned.

(Thanks to Andre, Andre, Guillaume and all the others ....)


Warning: Automatic translation by ****'s software (no trademark :innocent: ), i apologize, my english is not good enough to make a good translation :shy: , but it's still comprehensible ;) .



PARIS ( AP) - Revolt against representatives against the government.

The National Assembly adopted during the night of Wednesday to Thursday two amendments to the bill on the copyright which legalize the exchanges of files between Internet users.
These two identical amendments, put down(deposited) by Alain Suguenot ( UMP) and Christian Paul ( PS), were voted by 30 voices(votes) against 28. The Minister of the Culture Renaud Donnedieu de Vabres was set against these amendments. He could ask for a new consideration of these two amendments it on Thursday afternoon the resumption of the debate.
The representatives created by these two amendments an optional global license on Internet. This " global license " legalizes the exchanges of files between Internet users (" peer to peer " or P2P). These last ones would settle in exchange a flat-rate charge to access providers.
" The author cannot forbid the reproductions made on any support from a service of on-line communication by a physical person for his private custom(usage) and in not directly or indirectly commercial purposes, with the exception of the copies of a software others than the copy of protection(saving) ", the amendment Suguenot stipulates. These reproductions will be possible on the condition of being the object of a payment.
The associations of consumers and Internet users, partisans of this legal license, congratulated themselves on the vote of these two amendments. This vote " favor a logic of access to the culture and cultural variety in front of the strongly repressive logic lauded by the government ", estimated(esteemed) Consumption, accommodation and living environment ( CLCV).
The Odebi league, which made a petition circulate signed by 100.000 Internet users, asks as for her " the resignation of the Minister Donnedieu, after this hurtful denial which was imposed on him(her) by the majority of the representatives, beyond any political split(cleavage) ".
On the other hand, CFDT artists - interpreters' trade union reaffirmed his(her,its) " opposition the legalization of the exchanges protected on the Internet and in any shape of compulsory collective management which would be imposed on the artists interpreters without their agreement ". Such a legalization " would mean the death of the musical and broadcasting(audiovisual) industries of our country ", according to the trade union(syndicate).
The representatives, who stopped(arrested) their works in the first article, had to resume(take back) the examination of the text it on Thursday afternoon, to finish him(it) during the night of Thursday to Friday. The senators have to examine the bill at the end of January.
The bill on copyright in the information society, which transposes an European directive of 2001, has for objective to fight against the development of the music hacking and the films about Internet. He(it) authorizes the technical measures of protection of the works.
These systems, which already exist on certain CD or DVD, prevent the duplication of songs on the hard disk of a computer. They are also in place(square) on the services of sale of on-line music.
The bill legitimizes these systems of protection against the hacking. The distortion of the law will be liable to three years of prison and 300.000 euro of fine.
The bill, supported by the industries of the culture and the data processing, is criticized by the librarians, who see a questioning of the private copy, and by consumers' associations there, who dread a " hunting to the Internet users ". AP


i'm a member of the Odebi League. we did not made the petition, it's the EUCD.info initiative.

What the news doesn't speak about is that the french government used an old law to make a new vote, as if the first never exist, in order to withdraw the two amendments.

maybe this is the beginning of something interesting; relay the news... this might inluence other country who sues people who share.

best regards.

[Auggie2k]

I merged the two threads for the benifit of confusion.

[mfgbypooter]

I merged the two threads for the benifit of confusion.

Now I'm really confused. <grin>




Just as long as you dont mind french movies. Personally I like them because they are original compared to the repetition of the crap from ameriaI like the crap from ameria better.

The US makes pretty good movies too.

:icon_salu

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[Christoph]

Yea!
After France I need that germany do the smae and Im safe :-)

[DigitalJunkie]

It's the right direction, but if they impose a Internet fee for licenses I still feel it's wrong!

I still buy movies on DVDs if I think it's a good value, just a lot less these days because of their changing copy protections or bad movies. Why should I pay additional fees, if those companies DON'T KNOW how to run THE BUSINESS. I, will not stand for it!

[zarquon]

Just as long as you dont mind french movies. Personally I like them because they are original compared to the repetition of the crap from ameria

DId you see amelie. Great movie.

[Theinfamousone]

33% is pretty steep, that's all I'm gonna say. I can see 5% or something.

[gaining]

I need a french server.;)

[mountain_rage]

DId you see amelie. Great movie.
Yes as well as taxi and wassabi. There was also this movie that seemed to be bassed around a similar story to jack the ripper but I forget its name. Its not that the directors are any better it could simply be that the movies are coming from a differnt culture so it uses differnt technics, ideas and bassed around differnt morals and beliefs.

[.:sp00ky:.]

Les rivières pourpres was the last french film I watched I love jeon reno I will be watching wasabi soon too hopfully.

[sorros]

France needs to consider there market place NOW they can host P2P and make a ton of money! this is great news!

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

PARIS (AFP) - Set aback by rebellious MPs and an outcry by consumer groups, the French government is reworking a digital copyright protection bill to lighten restrictions on CD- and DVD-copying and mete out smaller penalties to small-time downloaders.

The culture ministry issued a statement Saturday saying the bill was being amended on the orders of Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin to notably enshrine the right of consumers to make private copies of music and film disks.

It would also make a distinction between people illegally downloading for profit and the estimated eight million individuals in France who occasionally add to their music and movie collections via Internet peer-to-peer sites.

Read entire story here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060115/tc_afp/franceinternetlaws).

[CrashPeer44]

I love France
Let's all move there!

[boogiedan]

bon a petit france
bravo 2 them n best whishes