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Krell
December 14th, 2005, 09:26 PM
Over the last few hundred years, many perplexing artifacts have been unearthed that do not fit the currently excepted theories of geology and the history of man.






The Bible tells us that God created Adam and Eve just a few thousand years ago, by some fundamentalist interpretations. Science informs us that this is mere fiction and that man is a few million years old, and that civilization just tens of thousands of years old. Could it be, however, that conventional science is just as mistaken as the Bible stories? There is a great deal of archeological evidence that the history of life on earth might be far different than what current geological and anthropological texts tell us. Consider these astonishing finds:


The Grooved Spheres
http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/x/F/grooved_sphere.jpgOver the last few decades, miners in South Africa have been digging up mysterious metal spheres (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.time%2Dtravel.com/paleozoi.htm). Origin unknown, these spheres measure approximately an inch or so in diameter, and some are etched with three parallel grooves running around the equator. Two types of spheres have been found: one is composed of a solid bluish metal with flecks of white; the other is hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance. The kicker is that the rock in which they where found is Precambrian - and dated to 2.8 billion years old! Who made them and for what purpose is unknown.


The Dropa Stones
http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/y/F/dropa_stone.jpgIn 1938, an archeological expedition led by Dr. Chi Pu Tei into the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains of China made an astonishing discovery in some caves that had apparently been occupied by some ancient culture. Buried in the dust of ages on the cave floor were hundreds of stone disks (http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa060198.htm). Measuring about nine inches in diameter, each had a circle cut into the center and was etched with a spiral groove, making it look for all the world like some ancient phonograph record some 10,000 to 12,000 years old. The spiral groove, it turns out, is actually composed of tiny hieroglyphics that tell the incredible story of spaceships from some distant world that crash-landed in the mountains. The ships were piloted by people who called themselves the Dropa, and the remains of whose descendents, possibly, were found in the cave. http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/u/F/ica_stone_sm.jpg (http://paranormal.about.com/library/graphics/ica_stone_lg.jpg)
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The Ica Stones
Beginning in the 1930s, the father of Dr. Javier Cabrera, Cultural Anthropologist for Ica, Peru, discovered many hundreds of ceremonial burial stones in the tombs of the ancient Incas. Dr. Cabrera, carrying on his father's work, has collected more than 1,100 of these andesite stones, which are estimated to be between 500 and 1,500 years old and have become known collectively as the Ica Stones (http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa111599.htm). The stones bear etchings, many of which are sexually graphic (which was common to the culture), some picture idols and others depict such practices as open-heart surgery and brain transplants. The most astonishing etchings, however, clearly represent dinosaurs - brontosaurs, triceratops (see photo), stegosaurus and pterosaurs. While skeptics consider the Ica Stones a hoax (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/%7Ebtcarrol/skeptic/icastones.html), their authenticity has neither been proved or disproved. http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/3/G/antikythera_sm.jpg (http://paranormal.about.com/library/graphics/antikythera_lg.jpg)
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The Antikythera Mechanism
A perplexing artifact was recovered by sponge-divers from a shipwreck in 1900 off the coast of Antikythera, a small island that lies northwest of Crete. The divers brought up from the wreck a great many marble and and bronze statues that had apparently been the ship's cargo. Among the findings was a hunk of corroded bronze that contained some kind of mechanism composed of many gears and wheels. Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C., and many experts at first thought it was an astrolabe, an astronomer's tool. An x-ray of the mechanism (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rrice/apagadgt.html), however, revealed it to be far more complex, containing a sophisticated system of differential gears. Gearing of this complexity was not known to exist until 1575! It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago or how the technology was lost. http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/1/G/baghdad_battery_sm.jpg (http://paranormal.about.com/library/graphics/baghdad_battery_lg.jpg)
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The Baghdad Battery
Today batteries can be found in any grocery, drug, convenience and department store you come across. Well, here's a battery that's 2,000 years old! Known as the Baghdad Battery (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.tmeg.com/artifacts/elect/a%5Felect.htm), this curiosity was found in the ruins of a Parthian village believed to date back to between 248 B.C. and 226 A.D. The device consists of a 5-1/2-inch high clay vessel inside of which was a copper cylinder held in place by asphalt, and inside of that was an oxidized iron rod. Experts who examined it concluded that the device needed only to be filled with an acid or alkaline liquid to produce an electric charge. It is believed that this ancient battery might have been used for electroplating objects with gold. If so, how was this technology lost... and the battery not rediscovered for another 1,800 years?


The Coso Artifact
While mineral hunting in the mountains of California near Olancha during the winter of 1961, Wallace Lane, Virginia Maxey and Mike Mikesell found a rock, among many others, that they thought was a geode - a good addition for their gem shop. Upon cutting it open, however, Mikesell found an object (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.eskimo.com/%7Epierres/coso/coso.html) inside that seemed to be made of white porcelain. In the center was a shaft of shiny metal. Experts estimated that it should have taken about 500,000 years for this fossil-encrusted nodule to form, yet the object inside was obviously of sophisticated human manufacture. Further investigation revealed that the porcelain was surround by a hexagonal casing, and an x-ray revealed a tiny spring at one end. Some who have examined the evidence say it looks very much like a modern-day spark plug. How did it get inside a 500,000-year-old rock?


Ancient Model Aircraft
There are artifacts belonging to ancient Egyptian and Central American cultures that look amazingly like modern-day aircraft (http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa032000a.htm). The Egyptian artifact, found in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt in 1898, is a six-inch wooden object that strongly resembles a model airplane, with fuselage, wings and tail. Experts believe the object is so aerodynamic that it is actually able to glide. The small object discovered in Central America (shown at right), and estimated to be 1,000 years old, is made of gold and could easily be mistaken for a model of a delta-wing aircraft - or even the Space Shuttle. It even features what looks like a pilot's seat.




Giant Stone Balls of Costa Rica
Workmen hacking and burning their way through the dense jungle of Costa Rica to clear an area for banana plantations in the 1930s stumbled upon some incredible objects: dozens of stone balls (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.calnative.com/n%5Fsphere.htm), many of which were perfectly spherical. They varied in size from as small as a tennis ball to an astonishing 8 feet in diameter and weighing 16 tons! Although the great stone balls are clearly man-made, it is unknown who made them, for what purpose and, most puzzling, how they achieved such spherical precision.




Impossible Fossils
Fossils, as we learned in grade school, appear in rocks that were formed many thousands of years ago. Yet there are a number of fossils that just don't make geological or historical sense. A fossil of a human handprint (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.geocities.com/tasosmit2001/fossils.htm), for example, was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old. What appears to be a fossilized human finger (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.geocities.com/tasosmit2001/fossils.htm) found in the Canadian Arctic also dates back 100 to 110 million years ago. And what appears to be the fossil of a human footprint (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.geocities.com/tasosmit2001/fossils.htm), possibly wearing a sandal, was found near Delta, Utah in a shale deposit estimated to be 300 million to 600 million years old.




Out-of-Place Metal Objects
Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.time%2Dtravel.com/mesozoic.htm) dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era. And there are many, many more (http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.rae.org/ch05tud.html) such anomalies.


What are we to make of these finds? There are several possibilities:

Intelligent humans date back much, much further than we realize.
Other intelligent beings and civilizations existed on earth far beyond our recorded history.
Our dating methods are completely inaccurate, and that stone, coal and fossils form much more rapidly than we now estimate.In any case, these examples - and there are many more - should prompt any curious and open-minded scientist to reexamine and rethink the true history of life on earth.


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fleecy
December 14th, 2005, 09:45 PM
so we may not be the galactic noobs after all....

mountain_rage
December 14th, 2005, 09:59 PM
I always find this kind of stuff interesting. But my biggest question is whether our carbon dating is accurate over such large periods.

Krell
December 14th, 2005, 10:04 PM
I always find this kind of stuff interesting. But my biggest question is whether our carbon dating is accurate over such large periods.


They estimate Hunter at just under 100, so it's got to be off by at least a millenia . . . .





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fleecy
December 14th, 2005, 10:07 PM
the man's deadly with a bow so be careful...

bigsean
December 14th, 2005, 10:11 PM
I hate this kind of stuff, i can't stand not knowing the full awnser to something.
I belive that there was intelligent human life on earth before our history.
Possibly destroying themselves from greed/power and that we are destined for the same fate...

fleecy
December 14th, 2005, 10:12 PM
life would be boring if we knew all the answers.

Dingo Xavier
December 14th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Don't forget the crystal skulls.

http://www.unmuseum.org/cryskull.htm

Potato
December 14th, 2005, 10:48 PM
Wow, interesting stuff Krell. :icon_thum

I love finding cool stuff to read about while studying.

bigsean
December 14th, 2005, 10:48 PM
life would be boring if we knew all the answers.

Very true, but what gets me is in the time i live(which is hopefully a very long time)
will we find the answers to some of the questions that really boggle me,
for example the real history of Jezus.
And will space travel be available by then to the normal public (i've always dreamed of going to space)

fleecy
December 14th, 2005, 10:50 PM
who knows? the fun is in seeking the answers. of course, they usually just lead to more questions (or at least i hope they do) :)

Krell
December 14th, 2005, 10:51 PM
the man's deadly with a bow so be careful...

He probably invented the damned things!!



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fleecy
December 14th, 2005, 10:52 PM
(snerk) so that IS him in those cave paintings (ducks quickly)

mountain_rage
December 14th, 2005, 10:59 PM
These kinds of things always amazed me and only raise more questions as to our past, where we come from and how we came to be where wer are today.

If youve never read of the 7 ancient wonders of the world they are also very interesting
http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/wonders/

black_magiic
December 14th, 2005, 11:01 PM
haha I love this stuff. Awesome thread Krell. :) Food for thought.

bigsean
December 14th, 2005, 11:03 PM
What i want to know is if the facts in the da Vinci code about religion are correct or just fiction.
Some of Dan Browns ideas really stir my curiosity.

bobhss
December 14th, 2005, 11:53 PM
Interesting read. We all want to know everything, yet we know so little. That's being human.

B@lle
December 15th, 2005, 01:38 AM
yes very interesting and for the answers, the chase is better than the catch

Excrement_Cranium
December 15th, 2005, 03:00 AM
(snerk) so that IS him in those cave paintings (ducks quickly)


Nah, they didn't make him hairy enough.



There is a huge tossup on all of this. There are definitley groups of people that would lean heavily toward inacurate carbon dating. I wouldn't want to argue that with a physicist.

Shorter formation periods could be very logical based on just geothermic pressure and temp.

And aliens would really please Tom Cruise.

Mels_Smileys45
December 15th, 2005, 05:12 AM
From the 80's, arghhhhhhh! Still unsolved to this day. Who ever mixed up the colors should be shot.

shawners
December 15th, 2005, 06:21 AM
Just cause i made a spear out of material.. doesnt mean that im thousands of years old.. Material itself could be dated 10000 of years.. and i only transformed it into something else.

Auggie2k
December 15th, 2005, 06:39 AM
Awesome thread Krell... now be a good boy and go fetch me the answers because this is already bugging me.

I god crazy and ring people if I don't know what film a certain actor may have been in, and you post this?

Nice find I must say and THAT is formatting to die for.

fleecy
December 15th, 2005, 06:42 AM
if he knew the answers, don't you think he'd share them? wait....no, he might not :)

Krell
December 15th, 2005, 07:32 AM
Bob Brier isn't right about everything, and sometimes he has changes his stance on a theory or hypothesis.

Also, in Russia, there are tiny little metal shards, that was excavated in a mining operation. These shards are most likely a "dump" of materials that was secretly buried to hide a manufacturing operation of high technology.

At times the geological strata is upset due to sink holes, or other natural phenomena, and while the explanation is improbable, not impossible.

It is my belief that our modern biblical record is not really 6,000 years old, and that the original pyramid sites and sphinx date back to 12,000 years.

The problem I have with a lot of this pseudo-science, is the filler people create to try and prove a hypothesis, instead of stopping squarely with lack of evidence. It's when they find two bones within 8 feet of each other, and decide this is the hominid that bridged the gap in some farcical theory of origin.

My personal belief is that any hypothesis must forensically hold up to any science and must be tested against at least several for validity.

Also, you have to be careful, and see who and what is behind the theory being fed to you. If you google "quantum and hologram" you will find papers and a few names suggesting that our universal fabric is really a big hologram, and that all that we know is really just a construct of what we call consciousness. Much of this borders on cultism, and Scientology, so unless you want to spend your evenings inundated with pseudo-intellectuals like Tom Cruise proselytizing you to know "the truth" you should take things with a grain of salt.



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fleecy
December 15th, 2005, 07:38 AM
one of my teachers used to call such loose theorizing "leaps of illogic".

boogiedan
December 15th, 2005, 07:59 AM
What about the SHROUD OF TURIN

the face of JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR

Potato
December 15th, 2005, 08:02 AM
Is it really that NECESSARY TO YELL?

Infomouse
December 15th, 2005, 09:23 AM
Here's one explanation for the grooved spheres.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

Sorry, it's a long read and the spheres don't get mentioned till part 6.

I don't believe a word of it though!

fleecy
December 15th, 2005, 09:25 AM
i couldn't help but notice that a lot of these puzzling objects are round.

gorphon
December 15th, 2005, 09:29 AM
What about the SHROUD OF TURIN

the face of JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR


To a student of ancient history, 2000 years just barely qualifies as a blip on the radar. Also, the Shroud of Turin is hardly an unexplaned mystery- it has been meticulously researched and analyzed by scientists and priests.

I've actually seen the Shroud of Turin first hand; do not mistake me- it is impressive, just hardly a mystery regardless of which explanation you accept as truth.

And I must agree with potato, there is no need to yell.

mountain_rage
December 15th, 2005, 03:16 PM
What i want to know is if the facts in the da Vinci code about religion are correct or just fiction.
Some of Dan Browns ideas really stir my curiosity.

The ideas were never created by Dan Brown in my opinion. Go read Holy Blood, Holy Grail, by Richard Leigh and Michael Baigent. Theres also the game Gabriel knight 3 that deals with the exact same story. Theres a few other authors that were sueing him but seem less credible. The theories are also ideas that have been floating around for a while and arnt new. All Dan Brown did is write a book that captured a larger audience and had a better marketting team then previous authors.

HelenaP
December 28th, 2007, 03:19 PM
I'm going to-

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/shell63/necro.jpg



this myself (I was looking for something and stumbled across this. My kinda read.:icon_thum)

I'll be back!

Maybe you all might like to talk about pizza and tacos while you wait with anticipation, as I wander into the depths of my rig...

northwest stew
December 28th, 2007, 10:58 PM
I was looking for something and stumbled across this. My kinda read.

I'll be back!

Maybe you all might like to talk about pizza and tacos while you wait with anticipation, as I wander into the depths of my rig...Hey are you CJ reincarnated?

watanoob
January 14th, 2008, 10:54 AM
carbon dating is totally inaccurate imo

Kandinskey
April 11th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Growing up, I was intrigued by these mysteries and read lots of books about them. The need to know was exceptional.
I had a moment (epiphany) whilst rereading my favourite book, 'The Bermuda Triangle by Charles Berlitz.' A paragraph just made assumptions based on speculation. I was disillusioned but it took a good while to shake it off.
Just check out the links on this thread. Not one is science based.
Stone spheres I can accept. There's evidence. 'Perfect' spheres? No way. Crystal skulls? They exist. When were they made? You can't carbon date them but the indications are recent history. Vrimanas and ancient airplanes? Where are the 'ancient' machine shops and lathes to engineer the engines? "No man, they used EM, transcended our knowledge.'
Have a think about it. Occam's Razor.
There are anomalies but research them. If all the authenticating sources are spooky.com, alieninvasion.gov and GWBushishuman.com don't automatically believe them.

Here's some good anomalies that are genuine

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/09/research.highereducation

El Comandante
April 11th, 2008, 01:21 PM
this thread is an ancient artifact...

Kandinskey
April 11th, 2008, 01:29 PM
Fair comment, having looked at the last date. Forum boredom. I'll accept the slap with a smile.

El Comandante
April 11th, 2008, 01:55 PM
Fair comment, having looked at the last date. Forum boredom. I'll accept the slap with a smile.

No slap dude. Humorous observation. I welcome a new thread on the Bermuda Triangle or crop circles. :icon_salu