What would you do for a 360?

[Digital Bliss]

Some gamers have gone to even greater extremes - like the man who robbed an Electronics Boutique store in Stafford, Virginia in the early hours of this morning. According to US website GameSpot, he held the store manager up at gunpoint and ordered him to hand over two Xbox 360s. Presumably ones with hard drives.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61837

I bet microsoft is loving this

[moneoa]

I would not make two threads about it lol...
Sorry DB but I am canning the second one

EDIT: Moved to Gaming....

[crackerjacker]

masturbate with it
:)
lmfao

[moneoa]

masturbate with it
:)
lmfao
lol stick floppy in drive, repeat

[crackerjacker]

lol stick floppy in drive, repeat
eh its electric :)

[mountain_rage]

Nothing I think its overrated.


Although I was thinking of getting one so I could sell it on ebay. That idea never materialised I seriously should of done it. I was thinking of dooing this a long time ago. Oh well maybe next time.

[Pathtek24]

I checked last night and some guy has his Buy Now set to $10,000...His starting bid? Only $5,000!!
People are retarded...

[VAMPYRE BLADE]

I have seen those insane prices on ebay, you could build a bunch of computers that are far better then an xbox 360 for that kind of money

[zarquon]

Sell my atari 2600

[shawners]

I played call of Duty 2 demo at target for a bit.. The game and graphics are truly amazing.. But they will lose so much money due to a big factor.. Games are gona set on the shelfs til people can get an x360 and that the prices will be forced to drop and lack of sales. So no developer will rush to get any games out til more people on x360. So you may get stuck with no more then 20-30 titles til the full release of xbox360.

[ratbag]

Nothing, I'd rather spend my money on a high end video card and then download all the pc games I want. Suckers and their console games.

[Auggie2k]

How much was the PS2 when it came out? Probably three times as much as it is now and it's still a popular games console with no follow up console available yet.

Like with cars, never buy them brand new. They'll only depreciate like a stone and be cheap as fook with a little patience.

[mountain_rage]

Also following up on auggie's idea, most of the time new consols come with many flaws that are only realised on the systems launch. With xbox 360 people are complaining that its crashing, the faulty part is the harddrive. So another reason never to buy a consol at launch.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

I have no idea what I'd do for a 360, but I know what I'd do for a Klondike Bar.

[Krell]

I would lick the tan off Jessica Alba!


really



I would . . . .







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[mcovey]

I'd urinate at my convenience for one.
I'd enjoy a warm cup of Coffee for one.
I'd spend an hour reading an enthralling book for one.
I'd accept a christmas gift from an anonymous lover for one.

I would not:
pay money for one
go out of my way to get one
use one if I had it
buy any games or accessories for one
play console games.

[Potato]

If I wanted one... I'd do stuff.

But since I don't... I won't do stuff.



Basically here's my thing: I don't blink properly. I don't close my eyes completely, so I have this awful dry eye problem. When I play video games (I do Mario Kart on the Gamecube, and Tetris on the NES, and Goldeneye on the N64, and Super Mario World on the SNES), I tend to NOT BLINK AT ALL. As awesome as dry eyes are, I think I'll pass on the new console.

[mfgbypooter]

I would lick the tan off Jessica Alba!


really



I would . . . .



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That's it???

For Jessica Alba I would crawl a quarter of a mile through a ditch of broken beer bottles, slide down a mountain of razor blades into a pool of rubbing alcohol, then swim 20 miles UP shit creek just to get a whiff from the exhaust pipe of the truck that is hauling away her dirty panties.




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[shawners]

Dave chappelle was around, he do a skit about it.. give blow jobs for xbox.. Half baked is an oscar worthy movie.

[ratbag]

That's it???

For Jessica Alba I would crawl a quarter of a mile through a ditch of broken beer bottles, slide down a mountain of razor blades into a pool of rubbing alcohol, then swim 20 miles UP shit creek just to get a whiff from the exhaust pipe of the truck that is hauling away her dirty panties.




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so should we assume you like her?

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

He just a glutton for punishment.

[mfgbypooter]

She'd never have to worry about me calling her my ex box.

so should we assume you like her?

Truthfully I'm a Rachel Stevens fanboy...yum yum.

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[kokanezub]

ok id take the 400-500 dollars...go buy a shit load of fans ram video card and build my self a gaming pc from hell.Call it the kokane 112...

[Jitway]

I would suck on a toe for one.

[gaining]

two guy robbed and beat the shit out a new xbox360 owner in my local walmart.

[Excrement_Cranium]

I would wait untill the thing is at a price that is more worth paying.


My OG x-box cost me $130. Good enough.

[broadwayrock]

The word on the street is that many stores who are 'sold out' of 360s infact have plenty: they are being held back and slowly trickling them out for a few weeks to give the appearance of a shortage. Microsoft have also been sending out 'sold out' signs to all retailers.

This might be a very good marketing technique or a foolish mistake for MS to make right before Christmas.

[pandoraenima1]

Why buy an xbox 360 wen u can get a highend graphics card more bandwidth...or better yet a whole lotta dope and get hi as a mur***er

[crackerjacker]

I have no idea what I'd do for a 360, but I know what I'd do for a Klondike Bar.
go down down down
;)

[mountain_rage]

The word on the street is that many stores who are 'sold out' of 360s infact have plenty: they are being held back and slowly trickling them out for a few weeks to give the appearance of a shortage. Microsoft have also been sending out 'sold out' signs to all retailers.

This might be a very good marketing technique or a foolish mistake for MS to make right before Christmas.
Stores dont have anymore xbox 360 in the back storeroom, microsoft is trying to do a world launch and they fell short in their production. If im not mistaken they were expencting 800,000 for launch and only had about 500 000 which is half of what you usually have for a console launch.

Although this shortage has been claimed as a microsoft marketing sceme I highly doupt it as they could of sold a million and still had a shortage problem.

[broadwayrock]

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=72701

Shops seem to be holding onto some for black friday.

With the shops 'selling out' of 360s and ebay auctions going for $1000+, it will give the appearance that the 360 is the must have item that is worth fighting for. Obviously the xbox 360 will sell alot by itself, but this hype as the must have item will reduce alot of sales of the far cheaper PS2 for this thanksgiving/christmas.

Sony seem to be doing the same thing in the UK with the PSP. Its completely sold out everywhere apart the expensive bundles with lots of games, but neighbouring countries in Europe such as France and Germany have plenty on the shelves.

Normally if a console was not selling well and this technique was used, it would probably backfire. People would go off and buy a rival console. But if a console is selling well and the technique is done for a short period it would transform a popular console into the must have console this christmas.

[muffenme]

I not thinking of getting one of thes 360 no matter if it $50, it over hype. I going to keep my PS2 until I ready to get the PS3 which wouldn't be when it is first release. I get the PS3 when the price is about $250 - 300 with hard drive.

[Excrement_Cranium]

PS3.... oh dear god... the return of wipeout.

[Auggie2k]

*shivers*

Wipeout?

*goes and borrows Hunters biggest rifle*

[Potato]

*busts out the boxing gloves*

[gorphon]

I'd pay half off retail for an xbox360 core system, that's how valuable it is to me!

[gorphon]

changed my mind.

One-third of retail. someone sell me their xbox360!

[sorros]

I wouldnt do anything for a 360. Instead id take the advice from another person in this thread and build a system with a the highest end ATI card which would easily blow 360 out of the water.

[Mels_Smileys45]

I wouldnt do anything for a 360. Instead id take the advice from another person in this thread and build a system with a the highest end ATI card which would easily blow 360 out of the water.


It would only take 5 grand to do it. Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each, Hmmm. Really, does ATI have a card that would out perform the 360's "48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines"? 10MB vs 250Mb? Dont think so. Plus there would be no games to take advantage of your 5 grand rig. Think people! I wouldnt buy a 360 right now but if it was give to me or something I wouldnt say no. It doesnt seem to have very many games either but the games that are out look way better than anything ive seen for the PC.

[Krell]

I wouldnt do anything for a 360. Instead id take the advice from another person in this thread and build a system with a the highest end ATI card which would easily blow 360 out of the water.


Uh-huh . . . if you say so . . Good luck with that

http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t391192.html


A 20GB hard drive, high-def game support and a 500MHz ATI graphics processor:

Glimpse the Xbox 360's system performance specifications as provided by Microsoft.

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
• Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
• Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
• VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
• 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
• 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance
• 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
• 500MHz processor
• 10 MB of embedded DRAM
• 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
• Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance
• 500 million triangles per second


Pixel Fill Rate
• 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance
• 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory
• 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM
• 700 MHz of DDR
• Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth
• 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
• 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
• 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance
• 1 teraflop

Storage
• Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
• 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
• Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O
• Support for up to four wireless game controllers
• Three USB 2.0 ports
• Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online
• Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music
• Built-in Ethernet port
• Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b and 802.11g
• Video camera ready

Digital Media Support
• Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
• Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
• Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive • Custom playlists in every game
• Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
• Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support
• All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
• Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio
• Multichannel surround sound output
• Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
• 320 independent decompression channels
• 32-bit audio processing
• Over 256 audio channels



S o o o o . . . . how much is that uber PC equivilent gonna cost you anyways?




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[Mels_Smileys45]

Uh huh, what Krell said. Good luck buddy

[sorros]

It would only take 5 grand to do it. Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each, Hmmm. Really, does ATI have a card that would out perform the 360's "48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines"? Dont think so. Plus there would be no games to take advantage of your 5 grand rig. Think people! I wouldnt buy a 360 right now but if it was give to me or something I wouldnt say no. It doesnt seem to have very many games either but the games that are out look way better than anything ive seen for the PC. The problem is Micro$oft didnt take into consideration how a factory that produces multiple units installs heatsinks and cooling systems. Now what's happening is the things are freezing ie locking up and overheating.

No i think if you use the right raid configuration proper memory you could cut that 5grand in half easily. In fact with some of the advanced PCI board features and the right cooling package on your graphics card you could easily blow it away. In fact Alienware has had a board out for some time now that will run 2 Gcards vastly increasing framerates.

Then you have to take into consideration the company itself Micro$oft. Unfortunately im forced to do business with these arseholes because people dont want to learn Linux for some reason. So anytime there have problems as is the case now with the 360 im very happy:icon_sunn I wouldnt mind seeing the guts of one so i can take a look at the shitty cooling system there going with. another factor is 3 cpu's increases the chances of failure dramatically.

Man i frowned watching Gates strut around opening day of the 360 now im happy as a little clam knowing his crooked company is going to have to accept returns over and over until they get it right, which wont be till they redesign the faulty cooling system:icon_quee

[Mels_Smileys45]

Bill Gates is my personal American hero. You just gotta love the guy. Yep, the 360 seems to have flaws, so has every console since the PS1 (except N64). Still I do not think the two cards are going to get the job done and no, that set up is nothing new. Still the fact remains there will be no games made for your fab PC.

[sorros]

Uh-huh . . . if you say so . . Good luck with that

http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t391192.html


A 20GB hard drive, high-def game support and a 500MHz ATI graphics processor:

Glimpse the Xbox 360's system performance specifications as provided by Microsoft.

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
• Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
• Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
• VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
• 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
• 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance
• 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
• 500MHz processor
• 10 MB of embedded DRAM
• 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
• Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance
• 500 million triangles per second


Pixel Fill Rate
• 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance
• 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory
• 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM
• 700 MHz of DDR
• Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth
• 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
• 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
• 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance
• 1 teraflop

Storage
• Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
• 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
• Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O
• Support for up to four wireless game controllers
• Three USB 2.0 ports
• Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online
• Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music
• Built-in Ethernet port
• Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b and 802.11g
• Video camera ready

Digital Media Support
• Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
• Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
• Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive • Custom playlists in every game
• Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
• Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support
• All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
• Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio
• Multichannel surround sound output
• Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
• 320 independent decompression channels
• 32-bit audio processing
• Over 256 audio channels



S o o o o . . . . how much is that uber PC equivilent gonna cost you anyways?




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Thanks for the specs! Does anyone have some internal shots of the Xbox? In theory the 3 cores should be able to outperfom any package on the market. So what's interesting for me is to see how there going to solve there cooling problems. The uber PC doesnt have a PCI board that can match Xbox 3 core yet although there are AMD boards out that can take it up close to 2/3. Besides that dont you think they overkill on int. hardware? Perhaps in 18 months there will be games that can take advantage of this. Yet in that time another build will offer far more reliability.

My prediction: Microsoft is gonna have a shitload of problems with these spruce gooses over the next 12 months. Maybe they should have stocked it with a freon rechargeable cooling sys and then maybe it wouldnt lock up.

[Jim Morrison]

I got one On Launch, I had mine Preordered since May, anyhow i'm kinda letdown right now because the games that come out with it just do not have a next-gen online experience. On Call of Duty its only 8 players online, Perfect Dark has 32 but the game is shitty as hell. The Graphics are great and all that, and I'm not having any problems with the hardware or games locking up, I feel like the system was great, but there is not a game that makes me say dam, this is Awesome.

BTW: The Systems cooling fans sound twice as loud as my computer.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Thanks for the specs! Does anyone have some internal shots of the Xbox? In theory the 3 cores should be able to outperfom any package on the market. So what's interesting for me is to see how there going to solve there cooling problems. .


From other posts it seems the problem is easy to solve. Unplug the Hard drive.

"I found out that it's the hard drive. They said they have received numerous calls already. I unplugged my hard drive and it worked fine. Put it back on my box and red lights again."

[Jim Morrison]

Ive heard that too, and also about the Power Supply overheating, the thing looks and weighs like a Brick.

[sorros]

I got one On Launch, I had mine Preordered since May, anyhow i'm kinda letdown right now because the games that come out with it just do not have a next-gen online experience. On Call of Duty its only 8 players online, Perfect Dark has 32 but the game is shitty as hell. The Graphics are great and all that, and I'm not having any problems with the hardware or games locking up, I feel like the system was great, but there is not a game that makes me say dam, this is Awesome.

BTW: The Systems cooling fans sound twice as loud as my computer.

http://digg.com/hardware/Xbox_360_crashes,_caught_on_tape

I have to admit this made my day!

Jim i dont wish anyone who owns a 360 ill will only microsoft. Im wondering if you can take some digicam shots of the guts? What's your warranty time? I would seriously consider extending it since first gen builds are known for problems. Once your warranty expires i would certainly take off those heatsinks and apply some Artic silver or some of the new goo stuff mitsumai chemical just came out with. So you cant use the hardrive? the power supply has problems? hmmmm and it just came out. Not good, next it will be the board itself and when that happens im gonna have an orgasm.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Ive heard that too, and also about the Power Supply overheating, the thing looks and weighs like a Brick.


Most of the time the problems that do happen, with any launch, get blown up by fan boys from the other consoles (look at above post). I remeber getting my Dreamcast home on day one and two of my games not working. My PS buddys all laughed and tried to make me feel bad about my kick ass console. It too bad Sega got crushed by the evil Sony corp and their former dumb moves. Sega and Nintendo, such good times.

[Jim Morrison]

I bought the 1 year warranty from Gamestop for 50.00, if the system fails, they replace it on the spot. I'm not having any problems with anything right now, I just have heard about the hard drive, and power supply. In that Video, its sounds like the Dvd Drive is fucking up the disk when its crashing. Do you hear the sound of the disk spinning in the Drive.?

[Krell]

I already posted that here recently by Anandtech

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=33653&highlight=360


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[sorros]

Heres a Link, where they take the system apart.
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=430626&rl=1

Thanks Jim a real good link, it appears they have the fan ass. venting out the back which is good. However every heatsink should be 100% copper and one of them appears to be alloy which may be a problem in the future as alloy is known for warping problems under excessive heat esp over time. Dont worry im not a fanboy of any company just cant stand microsoft is all. Really i hope you have some good luck with your system. Im going to spend some time looking at these photos tonight esp the motherboard. The HD issue is probably a simple fix the power supply is a different animal altogether.

Happy Gaming! and you were smart to buy the warranty VERY SMART

wait a minute are those 2 fans drawing back into the case or do they have seperate exhaust fans on the opposite end? Hasnt anyone learned from HIS practices that the heat needs to be vented directly off the GPU straight out of the back of the case! Christ having hot air circulating around the case will only cause the temps to increase over time.

[Jim Morrison]

Heres my setup for it.
http://photobucket.com/albums/c254/bigshot1982/?action=view&current=Picture007.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/c254/bigshot1982/?action=view&current=Picture008.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/c254/bigshot1982/?action=view&current=Picture009.jpg

[sorros]

Both Jim and Krell are going to keep me busy reading up on this tonight btw one of those heatsinks looks like a copy of Zallman design with a few modifications whereas they have it installed vertically. I wonder what the theory was going with a heatpipe? Another thing that sucks is the HD is only 5400rpms! and stock 20gb wtf id have that filled in a week using it as a PC.

[sorros]

Heres my setup for it.
http://photobucket.com/albums/c254/bigshot1982/?action=view&current=Picture007.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/c254/bigshot1982/?action=view&current=Picture008.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/c254/bigshot1982/?action=view&current=Picture009.jpg

Id rather have your tv. so you havent experienced any artifacting yet?

[Krell]

Both Jim and Krell are going to keep me busy reading up on this tonight btw one of those heatsinks looks like a copy of Zallman design with a few modifications whereas they have it installed vertically. I wonder what the theory was going with a heatpipe? Another thing that sucks is the HD is only 5400rpms! and stock 20gb wtf id have that filled in a week using it as a PC.

For all we know Zallman built it for them




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[Mels_Smileys45]

Im sure you dont have to install the games to the hard drive. Or do you? I thought it was for updates and such in which case that HD is more than enough unless you want to rip MS off by pirating games. And no one wants to do that. Stop hating for lawds sake. Its only a gaming system

[sorros]

Im sure you dont have to install the games to the hard drive. Or do you? I thought it was for updates and such in which case that HD is more than enough unless you want to rip MS off by pirating games. And no one wants to do that. Stop hating for lawds sake. Its only a gaming system brbb i cant sleep........ the reason why they used a zallman look alike or zallman is to cut down on excessive noise, as Jim mentioned the system is rather loud. This obviously is used to cool the gpu which is fine Zallman makes some good cooling solutions and usually always use copper. The other cooling system im not sure about because it could very well be venting excessive hot air and causing the HD problem. That power supply problem could also be caused by whatever company they outsourced the build to if this is the case and they pumped out a bunch of faulty crap units there screwed. I once had a list somewhere of what power supplies to stay away from there certainly not all created equal.

correction microsoft is using the zallman to cool the cpu
Microsoft has their own license to use and manufacture the CPU used in the Xbox 360, and thus we see their logo on the chip itself. Microsoft cools the 3-core CPU using a fairly beefy heatsink outfitted with heatpipes.. THE PROBLEM: Microsoft is using a ducting system that draws air over both the cpu and gpu with from what i can see no visable exterior venting system. That right there is problematic as ATI chips and im sure the IBM chip are running hot. Where is all this hot air going? around and around your case unless they have a venting fan which from the looks of it they dont! This certainly looks like a design flaw imho. If i had a 360 id want to softmod an exhaust fan which you probably cant because any modding invalidates the factory warranty. Sure looks like MS built a turkey on there apparent Beta build and is using the public to troubleshoot there product. Man the lengths this company will go to never ceases to amaze me.

[shawners]

I bought the 1 year warranty from Gamestop for 50.00, if the system fails, they replace it on the spot. I'm not having any problems with anything right now, I just have heard about the hard drive, and power supply. In that Video, its sounds like the Dvd Drive is fucking up the disk when its crashing. Do you hear the sound of the disk spinning in the Drive.?

lol.. They will replace it if they have one to replace it with.. But your stuck till next year if it gives problems. i waited 3 years before buying an xbox. And that is when there alot of mods to choose from and prices was reasonable.

[sorros]

lol.. They will replace it if they have one to replace it with.. But your stuck till next year if it gives problems. i waited 3 years before buying an xbox. And that is when there alot of mods to choose from and prices was reasonable. Im telling people RIGHT NOW that the cooling situation is a problem! So the best place to play xbox live is in an igloo. Why they didnt vent outside of the box? Simple they wanted a narrow box and there wasnt enough clearance to do this. Obviously they used a Zallman with a heat pipe because that ibm chip runs way freakin hot>even with a ducting system blowin lots of air across the heatsink they still used a heatpipe! The box is obviously plastic WHY because plastic is cool to the touch this way there customers cant complain about burning there fingers after playing for several hours. One thing that i noticed is that the vent stream is blowing right into the IR so plan on that as the first piece of hardware to not function in a few months.

They went on and on about release date and i knew it was crapola, just another marketing scheme. What they should have done is made a little compartment inside the Xbox so you can roast hotdogs and pretzels while your gaming. Anyone who thinks this thing isnt a fire waiting to happen just do an inside temp read on the unit for clarification! I wouldnt touch this thing with a ten foot pole the cpu and gpu will be fine it's the other components in the box that are going to have issues especially the power supply which is already running hot.

Sorrry Xbox fanboys you have a real loser on your hands with the 360 besides that there isnt any games can even come close to taking advantage of the features this unit offers by my estimation for about 18 months. So anyone who bought one is just a beta tester for a piece of hardware:icon_rabb

edit: I just sent an email to zallman about whether or not there building these(heatsinkwith pipe) for MS or gave rights to MS for there product. Because that heatsink looks like a dead ringer on one of there models the only difference is that it's mounted vertically. Since there guys are hardcore gamers im sure it's already been noticed.

[sorros]

scratch that when i find the exact heatsink i'll post up the pics and after doing some more reading on the web the case itself is supposed to act as a heatsink!!! WTF that concept is utterly ridiculous! One thing i do know is that if they didnt contract with Zalman they ripped them off. I know ive seen that damn sink before.

wow it just keeps getting worse! Here's a post at another forum apparently MS is/was trying to claim the freakin thing is water cooled.....

Xbox 360 Cooling Update:
We had a couple people, after reading our Xbox 360 article, comment on Microsoft’s statements that the Xbox 360 was “water cooled.” While this might be technically true, it carries a very heavy marketing spin in order to glom onto an enthusiast technology. To be succinct, the Xbox 360 is not water cooled in the way we, meaning just about every computer hardware enthusiast on the planet, tend to think of water cooling. The Xbox 360 motherboard we were shown did have a CPU heatsink in place that utilized a heatpipe. Yes, a heatpipe does have liquid in it and some H2O as well, but is usually primarily ammonia. In a heatpipe, the liquid at the “hot” end vaporizes, and is moved to the “cold” end of the heatpipe by a pressure differential and convection. Once the heat is transferred to the fins in the cold end, the substance condenses and the process repeats. The CPU cooler we saw on the Xbox 360 processor looked very much like this CPU cooler seen at Plycon except the Xbox 360 cooler was taller than wider and only utilized one copper heatpipe tube.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Wow, a lot of chatter that makes me not feel so bad about waiting another year or two to get this overhyped beeeeeeeeeyiiiotch.

[sorros]

Wow, a lot of chatter that makes me not feel so bad about waiting another year or two to get this overhyped beeeeeeeeeyiiiotch. Im officially dubbing this machine as the shitbox 360. Really what a shame because for the money that IBM(microsoft) cpu coupled with an ATI 500mhz core on the surface (specs) looks like a great deal. Because they released it so early it's plagued with problems. I wouldnt mind seeing that cpu core in some standard desktops. Microsoft has done a good thing there and once the manufacturing process is reduced to .65 this should make it smaller and run cooler. Giving credit where credit is due that cpu looks sweet. The machine doesnt. I guess PC games have fallen by the wayside because of piracy issues. I remember reading a blog from EA sports last year citing this specific concern and why they werent pursuing sequels to certain games. That's why MS is releasing a proprietary machine. In effect it's similar to signing up for a Verizon package and them handing you a Motorola razr. Because the machine itself is worth way more the mfg sugg retail price. That cpu has got to be worth all of $300. Oh well the next coming weeks should be great for me as i watch MS answer for there greed:icon_rr: I cant wait to hear back from Zalman they better hope it's different enough or else "see you in court time" and be shaken down for a settlement. Im convinced that's why they enlarged the heatpipe and went with 1 pipe instead of 2. The one i remember seeing a few years ago had 3 i believe. This shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone really Microsoft has had a shady record since the beginning of violating copyright with software, so no big deal to ripoff hardware designs also:icon_thum

[Mels_Smileys45]

I dont think the issues are all that huge.

" Microsoft Corp. said it has received "isolated" reports of glitches with its Xbox 360 video-game console from consumers in the first days after the model went on sale.

The reports represent "a very small fraction" of the Xbox machines sold, Microsoft spokeswoman Molly O'Donnell said Friday.

Users complained on Web sites that games stopped during play and the machines unexpectedly turned off."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0511260103nov26,1,4196304.story?coll=chi-business-hed


Seems like they would be complaining to EB or Best Buy. Its just a few Pisstation3 (sorry for that, uggh! So stupid) fans causing shit.

[sorros]

I dont think the issues are all that huge.

" Microsoft Corp. said it has received "isolated" reports of glitches with its Xbox 360 video-game console from consumers in the first days after the model went on sale.

The reports represent "a very small fraction" of the Xbox machines sold, Microsoft spokeswoman Molly O'Donnell said Friday.

Users complained on Web sites that games stopped during play and the machines unexpectedly turned off."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0511260103nov26,1,4196304.story?coll=chi-business-hed


Seems like they would be complaining to EB or Best Buy. Its just a few Pisstation3 (sorry for that, uggh! So stupid) fans causing shit. Well it's hard to say what problems will surface because it's to early, but from where that IR is located i cant see how it's going to take prolonged heat exposure. There using the actual case itself as a heatsink? Yea that's yankee ingenuity for sure the only problem is that it wont work.
Sure the case will absorb heat, just not the amount they think. Im surprised they didnt dog one of the factory builds out just to see how much it could take! That's the problem with a gaurantee ship date

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Thanks for the specs! Does anyone have some internal shots of the Xbox?

This thread may be of some help:

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=33653&highlight=Xbox

[sorros]

This thread may be of some help:

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=33653&highlight=Xbox Yea Krell and Jim both posted links earlier today. I really didnt pay much attention to the MS release since i knew it was alot of fluff. Yet once i started looking into it and there outrageous claims, now im stuck on the whole thing. I really need to see one in person opened up. Id love someone who has a thermometer to get a read on the inside of the box after several hours of play. I also took the liberty of emailing thermaltake as the HS also looks like one of there builds although im leaning with Zalman because i dont use Thermaltake in any of my builds (nothing against TT but there prices are a little high) currently im doing biz with OCZ and couldnt be happier with there stuff. Im sure by Monday night Zalman will have some answers for me. Micro$oft wants to be so very concerned with enforcing law with regard to there OS that's fine. That card flips both ways, and companies who may have had hardware designs ripped off and modified need to be given a heads up about it. Now i may completely wrong and as krell pointed out perhaps they subbed to Zalman or TT but why the design modification and 1 heatpipe why not 2 ? Then there's the quote from the other forum where another person spotted the similarity the same as me. He's probably a small system builder also and damn since we dont build shitloads of machines what we stick in them stays with us for years.

I just want to thank everyone who posted links and once again i wish no one who bought this machine any ill will, and hopefully it runs great with hassle free gaming for you. But now im into this thing like Karl Kolchek i smell bacon on this one.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Give it a break man.

[Jim Morrison]

If all these xbox 360 systems were bad, they would have known for a while now, I mean Walmart and Best Buy have had Kiosks of the machines running since mid October, now you know there left on 24/7 at walmart. I believe that some of the claims are a little inflated right now, It doesnt take but one person to make a claim on a legitimate website, and people will go nuts, especially the people who got ripped off by ebgames and gamestop.

[sorros]

If all these xbox 360 systems were bad, they would have known for a while now, I mean Walmart and Best Buy have had Kiosks of the machines running since mid October, now you know there left on 24/7 at walmart. I believe that some of the claims are a little inflated right now, It doesnt take but one person to make a claim on a legitimate website, and people will go nuts, especially the people who got ripped off by ebgames and gamestop. Apparently there's already a mod for the power supply, if your having crashes you can elevate the power supply and they go away. We'll all just have to see what happens down the road. Obviously if your not having any of these issues your probably all set. I wouldnt mind seeing someone mod an exhaust fan which is pretty simple to do actually just a matter of cutting a small hole into the case, this can be done without a lot of fanfare. Obviously you need a few things like a drill and a sawzall and your not going to need a big fan either just enough to get rid of hot air buildup. Doing this will make the machine not only last longer but also avoid any crashes. This power mod sounds like a real hack job they were talking about using string to raise it up off the ground WTF! Im going to be looking at that XBOX later on today because my friend just got his.