Why no I2P section?

[P2P Wizard]

Just curious here. I see several other clients that I've never heard of, and the freenet network which is like i2p in many regards, yet there is no particular section for i2p. This seems odd to me because in several aspects I find i2p way ahead of some of the other stuff.

Is there a reason for this?

[Digital Bliss]

I2p hmmm anyonymity on the internet is nothing more then a myth

[fleecy]

yeah, that impenetrable barrier you think you have is as flimsy as a paper napkin.

[P2P Wizard]

I2p hmmm anyonymity on the internet is nothing more then a myth

Really? I've heard otherwise. It uses end to end encryption, with multiple hops which can be of a random varying amount between hosts. They seem to have around a thousand participating hosts as well so it would seem as if there are enough people to protect anonymity. It isn't a twenty person participatnt network like some others out there.

I do know that it is in development status and they don't claim 100% anonymity yet. But can you demonstrate how with details on attacks that it is a myth? It seems to me pretty good for the purposes of casual filesharing. I've downloaded some risky stuff with it myself and personally I'm not worried about recieving a love letter from the Mpaa. I guess I should be though, thats what you're telling me, huh?

(listening intensly)

[The Hunter]

When, and if it becomes large enough to deserve its own section, it will get it. There is not enough demand for it as of now.

[P2P Wizard]

When, and if it becomes large enough to deserve its own section, it will get it. There is not enough demand for it as of now.

Okay, fair enough. Thanks The_Hunter! Was just kind of wondering when I saw the mute and ants sections.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

We wonder the same thing. Trust us.

[crackerjacker]

all the frustrations
so many dying
only one love
woe o woe
one love one love
that will make a difference

[Christoph]

Mhh... I was not abel to downlaod anything on that network (like on ants).
And yes I was connected and sometimes I found songs (very rare..but sometimes there were 2 madonna tunes)

[P2P Wizard]

Mhh... I was not abel to downlaod anything on that network (like on ants).
And yes I was connected and sometimes I found songs (very rare..but sometimes there were 2 madonna tunes)

Hmm. I've found it (I2Phex? or are you talking about their bittorrent sites?) had about the same as ANts in content with ANts having about 10 - 20% more overall depending on what I was looking for. I did a search for mp3 and just came back with at least 1,000 matches. I'd post the results or a snapshot but I think the forum rules disallow it.


all the frustrations
so many dying
only one love
woe o woe
one love one love
that will make a difference


The branches reel
The owl grasps
the dark wind sings
the melody of death
fills the air

[haakon]

they don't claim 100% anonymity yet.
And they will not ever. "100% anonymity" does not exist, and if someone claims to provide it, you should immediately distrust them.

[Christoph]

@haakon:
Thats why we can trust I2P guys

[P2P Wizard]

And they will not ever. "100% anonymity" does not exist, and if someone claims to provide it, you should immediately distrust them.

I think that is one of the reasons why the lead developer does not advocate i2P being advertised. He does not want people thinking it is anonymous and trusting it for sensitive uses until it is as close as possible to this.

I know very well what you are saying however. What I meant is that the protocol and implementation is not yet considered anonymous even in theory. Actually if anything, optimistically, it is psuedo-anonymous as each router console has its own identification. It is just that it is not your IP.

Attacks,some very trivial have already been found for when people misconfigure. For the longest time the i2Phex application was set to allow zero hops X% of time due to implementation with the default settings. By doing a simple statistical analysis it was pretty simple to see that X% of data was coming from one IP giving a very high probability that this was the IP of the host which was hosting the file. They 'fixed' that by changing the default settings for the tunnels used. Long term they have other fixes that should address that sort of attack in the future.

You're right that if someone said "this is 100% anonymous, hands down" they are probably either a fool or a conman. There's no way to know that unless you can see into the future. If anything it is a varying shade of gray.

[haakon]

Well, it's more that "total anonymity" is unqualified -- total with respect to what, from whom? The degree of anonymity afforded to you is measured by how much resources it would take to determine your identity. The RIAA has resources, but they are limited, so if you want to be anonymous from the RIAA, only relatively simple measures are needed. But there are other organizations with a whole lot more power. Governments, inter-government alliances, perhaps with the power to observe internet traffic all over the globe, will easily see through your RIAA-anonymity. Does that mean you weren't "anonymous"? No. It just means that the RIAA couldn't muster resources to bust you, and the dark global alliance couldn't be bothered. Even if you had some kind of network that even the Alliance couldn't break, it still couldn't stop you from communicating "hi, I'm Joe and live 42nd street, oops".

So anonymity isn't a matter of absolutes, it's a matter of answering yes to the question "am I sufficiently anonymous for what I am about to do?". For most people, I2P is today, but features coming up in the next version will make it even stronger. Eventually, I2P aims to provide "militant grade anonymity". The main worry is that I2P has had very little peer review, and there may be implementation bugs or protocol weaknesses that lowers the anonymity significantly, so you shouldn't rely on it for critical anonymity yet.