First infringment E-mail in 6 year

[Comax]

Got this email through today.

I was pretty suprised because I run ProtoWall and the Emule IP filter which i keep updated (maybe not well enough).



RE: Unauthorized Distribution of the following copyrighted computer program(s):

<SOFTWARE COMPANY NAME>

Dear Sir/Madam:

The Business Software Alliance (BSA) has determined that computer programs published by the BSA's member companies are being publicly offered for unauthorized copying at the site specified below. We seek your assistance as this location appears to make use of an Internet account under your control.

While no judicial determination of infringement has been made, we have a good faith belief that this activity violates copyright laws and probably your terms of service as well. In contacting you in this manner, we seek your prompt assistance in having the content removed or activity discontinued. Voluntary, appropriate action can both render legal measures unnecessary and serve a positive educational purpose.

Site Details:
----------------------------------------------
Date Found: 29 Sep 2005 17:00:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
Network: eDonkey
IP Address: <My IP Address>
IP Port: <My Port Number>
Protocol: eDonkey
UserName:

Content being offered:
----------------------------------------------
Filename: <FILENAME>
Filesize: <FILESIZE>


Based upon BSA's representation of the copyright owners in anti-piracy matters, we have a good faith belief that none of the materials or activities listed above have been authorized by the rightholders, their agents, or the law. BSA represents that the information in this notification is accurate and states, under penalty of perjury, that it is authorized to act in this matter on behalf of the copyright owners listed above.

Making copyrighted software available for unathorized downloading online is highly damaging to copyright holders and wastes your network resources. Furthermore, such unauthorized acitivity exposes the offender and related third parties to potential legal liability.

We appreciate your cooperation in protecting legitimate interests and making the Internet a safe and legal environment. Please advise us regarding what actions you take.

Please include the following CaseID in any response you send: Case ID <8 DIGIT NUMBER>

Yours sincerely,


<NAME OF BSA TOOL>
Business Software Alliance
http://www.bsa.org
E-mail: [email protected]



Someone suggested here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=30133) that someone might be "War-Driving" in my neighbour hood and thats where the infringing file may have come from (entirely possible as I leave it unencrypted).

Should I bother replying to the email with this information or just wait to see if any further action is taken?

Cheers

Comax

[Excrement_Cranium]

If you actually have the file, remove it from your shares. Nuff said.

[.:sp00ky:.]

I was pretty suprised because I run ProtoWall

lol

anywho..., email them back saying "whats a edonkey?"



Please advise us regarding what actions you take

you added them to your email spam filter then had a nap.

[Comax]

Sorry to sound naive.




I was pretty suprised because I run ProtoWall
lol

[.:sp00ky:.]

ProtoWall,pg2 ect do not work at all I think you have proven that well here, They give a false sence of been safe.

[Comax]

Having looked though my blocked ranges I've just discovered that NOT even the BSAs website was blocked.....

No longer that suprised was my own fault.


ProtoWall,pg2 ect do not work at all I think you have proven that well here, Their give a false sence of been safe.

How can they not work? They will always block IPs you specify
I don't imagin they are letting some packets through be mistake.

Its just difficult to make a full proof block list

Unless its 0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255

[.:sp00ky:.]

Sorry i don't dout that they do indeed block the ips you give them to block but tryng to make a fulllist of "bad" ips is crazy, your 0.0.0.0- 255.255.255.255 sounds like a good idea.

[Comax]

tryng to make a fulllist of "bad" ips is crazy

Agreed.

I wish I'd left the IP logger turned on now as I can't check to see what IP they used at the time they gave.

Oh well

Live and Learn

[Stownplayer]

ProtoWall,pg2 ect do not work at all I think you have proven that well here, They give a false sence of been safe.


that is not true. Protowall and pg work great but the effectivness is highly dependent on the user updating the ip tables. I use all the blocklists available and i havent been popped ever. I've been shareing files since before audiogalaxy. I guess you would say i'm just lucky right? ip tables are not an all in one solution, i know, it also takes a little caution on where you get files from and upload them.

[notbob]

that is not true. Protowall and pg work great but the effectivness is highly dependent on the user updating the ip tables. I use all the blocklists available and i havent been popped ever. I've been shareing files since before audiogalaxy. I guess you would say i'm just lucky right? ip tables are not an all in one solution, i know, it also takes a little caution on where you get files from and upload them.


uh huh

it's the users' fault, not protowall. it's not prowall's fault that the idea of IP blocking is flawed to begin with, or that anyone can pick up and get a new IP at the drop of a hat, or that their IP ranges are supplied by unverified paranoid non-experts

yeah, the users' fault

pg/protowall fanboys are hilarious

[.:sp00ky:.]

that is not true. Protowall and pg work great



Sorry i don't dout that they do indeed block the ips you give them to block but tryng to make a fulllist of "bad" ips is crazy, your 0.0.0.0- 255.255.255.255 sounds like a good idea.

try reading all the posts before posting yourself.



I use all the blocklists available and i havent been popped ever.

I always have a glass of milk and some homemade cookies while filesharing and IV neve been "popped"

Guess my method works just aswell as pg2

[zarquon]

Someone suggested here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=30133) that someone might be "War-Driving" in my neighbour hood and thats where the infringing file may have come from (entirely possible as I leave it unencrypted).



No offense, but only a very naive clown would leave their wan open, unless you have a very good reason for doing this. You should set up a wep key immediately.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Yes, a genius clown would be using a squirting flower to defend his WAN.

[Stownplayer]

uh huh

it's the users' fault, not protowall. it's not prowall's fault that the idea of IP blocking is flawed to begin with, or that anyone can pick up and get a new IP at the drop of a hat, or that their IP ranges are supplied by unverified paranoid non-experts

yeah, the users' fault

pg/protowall fanboys are hilarious


..and know it all asshats are hilarious to me. How about drop the crap and give a little proof. Hell, maybe i'll learn something. I'm open to suggestions.

[Stownplayer]

try reading all the posts before posting yourself.




I always have a glass of milk and some homemade cookies while filesharing and IV neve been "popped"

Guess my method works just aswell as pg2


WHat evidence supports that a glass of milk and cookies works as good as protowall or pg? I'm confused or were you just making a dumb comment to discredit me and support your weak opinion. Are you an expert? If so then enlighten me as to why ip tables are flawed. I understand that they are not perfect as i stated before but some protection is better than none so why try to discredit great programs?


..and by the way i did read all the posts. And as i have said, i know it's not possible to block every bad ip. But using the programs increases your security many many times.

[.:sp00ky:.]

WHat evidence supports that a glass of milk and cookies works as good as protowall or pg?


Well I havnt been given anysort of letter or warning from my isp so my milk n cookies are working well

yet this guy has been given a warning and many others who all use pg2/protowall(didn't ghostbusters use of of them?)

so that 1 point to milk n cookies and no points to pg2




..and by the way i did read all the posts.

So you had no exscuse for your stupid response



But using the programs increases your security many many times.

evidence? oh wait you don't need evedence your a pg2 user.

A condom with one hole is no safer than a condom with 2 holes.

[Stownplayer]

Well I havnt been given anysort of letter or warning from my isp so my milk n cookies are working well

yet this guy has been given a warning and many others who all use pg2/protowall(didn't ghostbusters use of of them?)

so that 1 point to milk n cookies and no points to pg2





So you had no exscuse for your stupid response




evidence? oh wait you don't need evedence your a pg2 user.

A condom with one hole is no safer than a condom with 2 holes.


The user that got caught could have been his fault. The program may have not been on, ip tables not updated, or just plain ole bad luck. Who are you to say? Where you there? I'm not gonna go back an forth anymore unless you actually have something to add to this. You have yet to produce the reason you say protowall and pg are useless. I'm waiting for an adult to answer so go back to your milk and cookies and stop wasting both of our time.

[shawners]

why is everyone suprise when they get cease and desist letters from edonkey or any other gnutella client?
IF you can log on to a peer network, so can anyone else. Why be the one out of a million that trust that there is no other entity that is evil on the network itself. IP guardian can protect you as long as it has the correct IP's to block, and how sure are you that all of them are correct?

[black_magiic]

Im going to go get me some milk and cookies :-)

[Stownplayer]

why is everyone suprise when they get cease and desist letters from edonkey or any other gnutella client?
IF you can log on to a peer network, so can anyone else. Why be the one out of a million that trust that there is no other entity that is evil on the network itself. IP guardian can protect you as long as it has the correct IP's to block, and how sure are you that all of them are correct?


That's exactly the way i feel. Nothings full-proof, but the security protection is still there even if you block 1% of the 'bad guys'; your still blocking them! Nothing covers 100%, NOTHINGS PERFECT. Yes, it DOES work. I for one would like to have the most protection possible.


man, i'm proud of myself! I didnt fly off the hook in this thread. ha ha

[Mels_Smileys45]

I stopped using BT and havent been layed, uh nailed, err busted in two years! Wahooooieeeeee


Ive not used emule much or whatever but I'm sure if I did Charter would hand my ass to the MPAA, maybe not.

[shawners]

I dont use peerguardian, or any ip blocker. Im using Usenet, and private bt sites. I have never gotten a letter once nor been given away to the riaa mob. I have 7 movies in my queue, 4 movies i finally manage to get time to download today.. and have to convert 16 avi epsidoes into 4 dvd's.. TV shows =)

[notbob]

That's exactly the way i feel. Nothings full-proof[sic], but the security protection is still there even if you block 1% of the 'bad guys'; your still blocking them! Nothing covers 100%, NOTHINGS PERFECT. Yes, it DOES work. I for one would like to have the most protection possible.


man, i'm proud of myself! I didnt fly off the hook in this thread. ha ha

what is this thread about?

someone with protowall who got a letter from the BSA

that in itself is proof that protowall doesn't work

since he is a fanboy, he makes excuses for the ineffective program rather than thinking about the fact that it was ineffective. it blows my mind, the ignorance of paranoid fanboys

[Excrement_Cranium]

I plugged my modem into my anus, they can't sue me for sharing shit.

[thongsai]

how many people actually got sued for sending a file?? its always for "sharing" it.. they dont care how many copies u have sent.. they cannot keep track of it.. they dont know if its ur first time or u have sent the file 1000 times.. they dont care about that.. this is why the ip blocker dont work..

ur ip blocker at best blocks all if not most of them. but u send ur file list to a server or hub.. they run a search and sees u as a source.. decides to sue you.. dont believe me? just look at all the false accucations. they search based on name of file and sue you.

ip blockers just doesnt allow you to connect to them.. but they still see your shares in regular p2p.. get it??

[KingJohn]

But using the programs increases your security many many times.


Sorry to say they don't The IP addresses of those you wish to block, change every min or so. By the time you update, they had already changed.

[Comax]

No offence, but only a very naive clown would leave their wan open, unless you have a very good reason for doing this. You should set up a wep key immediately.

This was only going to be an excuse, and to be honest I don’t care about leaving the WLAN open cos I live in the arse-end of No-where pretty fair from the main road.


since he is a fanboy, he makes excuses for the ineffective program rather than thinking about the fact that it was ineffective. it blows my mind, the ignorance of paranoid fanboys

Why is it when someone mentions they use a bit of software they suddenly become a fan boy?!?!
If you want to discuss the pro and cons of a prog or the validity of a type of prog then I'm up for that.
Don't just name call it's pretty childish....

Anyhow the PW was just an uninteresting side note.

All I actually asked was if I should contact the BSA or just lay low.

[shawners]

Considering that the BSA may be blocked in peerguardian, what about baytsp and others who profit in sending cease and desist letters. THey made a business and can easily get big companies to invest in them, and them having their own servers or able to set up proxies or even go through to see whos on the other side is a job for them. They get paid well to do their job. WE created that job for them, so what we do is to make it harder. . But all these companies buy into technology that tracks their files and can log IP's to send out these letters.

[beardedwonder]

I use PG2 and have never had a letter; therefore it works!

There have been some really stupid comments in this thread, PG2 helps, it's not 100% bulletproof but it is a help, and obviously more effective than milk and cookies seeing as it blocks IPs. Also definetly helps cut bad data on BT downloads on open trackers.

[thongsai]

god dammit no 1 read my post..
do this.. get a friend and run a private lan bt server.. have two comps connect.. have the server neutral but one of the client block the othe ip wise.
i guarantee the blocked guy can get the ip from the tracker.

it might prevent u from getting bad data but will not cloak you from lawsuits.. if u guys have been keeping up with the lawsuits you would know that the courts make a procedure for em to hurdle through to get lawsuits filed..

u use pg2 and u never won the lottery too wats ur point.. trust me if the **ia had their way, they would just send letters to every ip they ever tracked down bypassing courts and demand money from you.. thank god we have courtrooms.

oh and dont get me started on "source exchange" in most bt clients or any other p2p

[shawners]

I use PG2 and have never had a letter; therefore it works!

There have been some really stupid comments in this thread, PG2 helps, it's not 100% bulletproof but it is a help, and obviously more effective than milk and cookies seeing as it blocks IPs. Also definetly helps cut bad data on BT downloads on open trackers.

My abc torrent ban peers that send me bad data.. how again does it help?? If you know where to go and where to get things. You will never need it, I used it long ago on kazaa to cut the fake hashes and other spoofs of people trying to access my shared folder. Its a double edge sword. I Would gladly use it if i was on gnutella or winmx. Its simply a protocol of protection since your doing something you shouldnt be doing, logging on to older networks that are well known by any agency. =)

[Excrement_Cranium]

I use PG2 and have never had a letter; therefore it works!

There have been some really stupid comments in this thread, PG2 helps, it's not 100% bulletproof but it is a help, and obviously more effective than milk and cookies seeing as it blocks IPs. Also definetly helps cut bad data on BT downloads on open trackers.


I share well over 9000 files, at limited times, on shareaza. I use no peerguardian, no protowall, nothing.

I have not been sued? Is THAT proof that peerguardian works? Nope.


But, every christmas morning, there are toy stuffed stockings over my fireplace, that is proof that Santa Clause exists.

[kokanezub]

ok well how did u recive this message?email how? do u provide personal information on p2p or were u sharing copyright files

[catkiller]

I'm no "fanboy" of PG2 as some of you "smarter than the rest" asses like to call people, but I use it. I dont think anyone believes it is 100% effective, but it does give some sort of protection. Better than sticking a condom over your PC or sitting by idly while eating milk and cookies. I usually dont post to threads here because of the childish rantings and insults thrown around. This type of thing is really making ZP go downhill fast. A guy asks a question about an infringement letter and you "geniuses" take it upon yourselves to show how stupid you really are.

[.:sp00ky:.]

take it upon yourselves to show how stupid you really are.


You did indeed.

Oh and don't fucking dis my milk n cookies I have the same amount of proof that its working as you have for pg2.

I can't belive this threads still going, you guys blatantly ignore what everyone says and just come back with
"yeah but it does offer some protection"

some protection is as good as no protection,1 gets though and your fucked and the likely hood of 1 getting though is very high 1 ip thats not on ur list is all they need.

I hate the fact that when someone asks how can I p2p safely theirs always 1 noob that surgests pg2

"it blocks the 'baddies" from getting you!!111"

it gives noobs the impresion that their safe when really a better way would be teaching them how to use irc,newgroups and smaller p2ps like slsk using these is gonna make the likey hood of a lawsuit much less then your noobie pg2 blocking such evils as argos.co.uk lol

[Comax]

ok well how did u recive this message?email how? do u provide personal information on p2p or were u sharing copyright files

I got it through my ISP.

The BSA sent it to the ISPs Abuse department and the ISP forwared that email to me.

No I don't provide personal information on p2p.

[.:sp00ky:.]

No I don't provide personal information on p2p.


Sure you do ,you share your ip,even a noob like me can get your address and isp details from that ,if i dug a bit more id get your full address and surname(or at least the surname of who ever pays the bill)

and thats more than enough really isnt it.

[Stownplayer]

You did indeed.

Oh and don't fucking dis my milk n cookies I have the same amount of proof that its working as you have for pg2.

I can't belive this threads still going, you guys blatantly ignore what everyone says and just come back with
"yeah but it does offer some protection"

some protection is as good as no protection,1 gets though and your fucked and the likely hood of 1 getting though is very high 1 ip thats not on ur list is all they need.

I hate the fact that when someone asks how can I p2p safely theirs always 1 noob that surgests pg2

"it blocks the 'baddies" from getting you!!111"

it gives noobs the impresion that their safe when really a better way would be teaching them how to use irc,newgroups and smaller p2ps like slsk using these is gonna make the likey hood of a lawsuit much less then your noobie pg2 blocking such evils as argos.co.uk lol


This cocky, better than everone attitude is not very cool. How can you be so ignorant and cocky to say pg2 or protowall are useless? I don't mind standing up and saying your full of shit! So, i'll continue using protowall and i'll be protected a little better than you if, of course, the riaa, mpaa, or someone affiliated tries to connect to me. I guess i'm just a noob too huh?

[Mels_Smileys45]

I would think it to be useless but thats only my opinion. Surly the powers that be know of these types of programs and are using work arounds. Trying to block IPs seems hopeless. If it gives you hope so be it, its worth a shot I guess.

[.:sp00ky:.]

How can you be so ignorant

same question to you.


I don't mind standing up and saying your full of shit!

you had to stand up to type that?


i'll continue using protowall and i'll be protected a little better than you

Proof? Iv asked for proof in this thread but instead of giving me any you choose to sling shit calling ME(!?) ignorant for not thinking wishfull thinking will protect me.

just like most pg2/protowall (or what ever its called) users you just ignore the facts and continue to think your somehow safer then anyone else.

I couldn't give a shit what programs you run but don't come here and state your wishfull thinking as fact.


I guess i'm just a noob too huh?

guess so.

[Pathtek24]

You can use all the IP blockers and protection devices in the world today thinking your smart ass is going to beat the system...but what you failed to realize is that there is probably some other smart ass (smarter) then you and working with the system to track/catch your ass...If you intend on doing something illegal then just realize that your ass is taking a risk and there ain't nobody to protect you...not even your momma

[beardedwonder]

I share well over 9000 files, at limited times, on shareaza. I use no peerguardian, no protowall, nothing.

I have not been sued? Is THAT proof that peerguardian works? Nope.


But, every christmas morning, there are toy stuffed stockings over my fireplace, that is proof that Santa Clause exists.

:) I was being sarcastic but obviously that flew over your head. Fact is people who block IPs, even if they are only some of the large ranges that are used, leaves them better protected than 'Joe Bloggs'. Obviously you're running a risk if you're sharing copyrighted material, some of you guys have just gone way too far on this thread.

Bottom line feel free to use/not to use an IP blocker, it will protect you more than not having one and can also block spyware/adware sites as well.

[notbob]

:) I was being sarcastic but obviously that flew over your head. Fact is people who block IPs, even if they are only some of the large ranges that are used, leaves them better protected than 'Joe Bloggs'. Obviously you're running a risk if you're sharing copyrighted material, some of you guys have just gone way too far on this thread.

Bottom line feel free to use/not to use an IP blocker, it will protect you more than not having one and can also block spyware/adware sites as well.

my favorite analogy was "does a condom with one hole protect better than one with 2 holes?"


that sums up pg's protection in a nutshell. anyone who can't see that deserves whatever they get

[silentscream]

my favorite analogy was "does a condom with one hole protect better than one with 2 holes?"


that sums up pg's protection in a nutshell. anyone who can't see that deserves whatever they get
or will a bucket only empy half way if u drill half as many holes in the bottom ?

.

[Stownplayer]

same question to you.



you had to stand up to type that?



Proof? Iv asked for proof in this thread but instead of giving me any you choose to sling shit calling ME(!?) ignorant for not thinking wishfull thinking will protect me.

just like most pg2/protowall (or what ever its called) users you just ignore the facts and continue to think your somehow safer then anyone else.

I couldn't give a shit what programs you run but don't come here and state your wishfull thinking as fact.



guess so.



I'll repeat, I have agreed that both protowall and pg2 cannot block all bad guys because there is no way to know who all the bad guys are. It is stupid pride for you to say that these programs offer no protection. I don't have to proove that these programs work cause it is a fact that if i type an ip in , it will be blocked. I understand your side and have agreed that they are not perfect. however, why don't you agree and give some credit to these programs? Cause you think you are holier than thou? So why keep on with this back and forth? I'll let you quote me and say whatever you want as i will not respond to this childish post anymore.

[beardedwonder]

my favorite analogy was "does a condom with one hole protect better than one with 2 holes?"


that sums up pg's protection in a nutshell. anyone who can't see that deserves whatever they get

Depends where the holes are.

Anyway, obviously you guys aren't going to change your minds so as the saying goes vao tomar no cu.

[Excrement_Cranium]

:) I was being sarcastic but obviously that flew over your head. Fact is people who block IPs, even if they are only some of the large ranges that are used, leaves them better protected than 'Joe Bloggs'. Obviously you're running a risk if you're sharing copyrighted material, some of you guys have just gone way too far on this thread.

Bottom line feel free to use/not to use an IP blocker, it will protect you more than not having one and can also block spyware/adware sites as well.


I wasn't being sarcastic.


Santa Clause does exist, and this year I'm laying out a beartrap for that pudgy little fucker.

Wanna buy a ticket?

Now, as far as PG, and protowall, I HAVE used them. And one half of the use was simply making Kazaa useful for five minutes longer. I got very litte fake files while running BOTH of them at the same time, but then I decided... why not just get on a better network?

[.:sp00ky:.]

I don't have to proove that these programs work

wanna buy some magic beans?

[shawners]

Just take anything with a grain of salt. I got a cease and desist long ago on xolox.. after the patch.. I was downloading a movie, and testing out my first DSL subscription. I have then started protowall and it was blocking websites and things i didnt want blocked.. Then before that i was using peerguardian.. updating it and adding more and more ip's.. I was pretty much blocking out the good people as well as the bad. Nothing will guarantee protection.. Sure your blocking one big block of IP's.. but whos to say next month they have changed to something entirely differnent. If your gonna log on to any peer network that is open.. might as well try some sorta protection,. but the best protection is not logging on to heavily monitored peer networks.

[sorros]

I use peer guardian because it's the only thing available besides usenet which im to cheap to pay for. Who knows if it works is anyones guess! What i do know is scumbag companies can change there ip's in a second. So if anyone thinks it can keep you completely safe your just wrong. I have never gotten notice but if i do im just telling them "I have no clue what your talking about goodbye" then look for another ISP.