Dude, where's my bandwidth?

[ibeback]

Does anyone else have this problem? When I run azureus, my bandwidth drops from 4000kbps to ~150kbps, even though I'm only getting speed around 100kbps in azureus. I've had this happen with a few other clients as well.

Is there a client that doesn't waste all that bandwidth? It's irritating, especially when sharing a connection with another torrenter...

David

[riderx]

dude u can get only the amount some one uploads to u
thats where your bandwidth is
dood
got it dood?

[ibeback]

nah, bro ya got it wrong fo' sho'. I'm downloading just fine. I'm happy with the speeds I'm getting....I'm not happy with the effect the the client is having on my bandwidth not being used for BT. Lets say I'm uploading @ 40 kbps, whilst downloading @ oh, about 150 kbps. I'm fine with that. However, I check my bandwidth via any of the various utilities that test it, and my 4000kbps connection is only getting ~150 kbps, and that's on a good day. A 190 kbps usage does not account for a 3850 kpbs drop in bandwidth left for surfing, etc. If I stop the client, my available bandwidth goes back where it should be. Even allowing some overhead to be used for establishing new connections doesn't make sense...

[Krell]

Christ learn how things work

Limit your upload, stop saturating it.

Stop trying to download too many things at once

Check your Event View > Application log for 4226 errors

whatever your dslreports bandwidth test measurement for your upload shows, dont go near it.


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[ibeback]

Christ I understand bittorrent.

My upload is limited...at 40 kb out of 357 kbps.

I'm downloading one (1) file

No such errors.

My cable line is rated at 6123, though I tend to get about 3000 kbps while not torrenting.

Read carefully and ask questions before assuming you're the only person around with a brain.....

David

[shawners]

how many seeders and leechers??? Remember that if everyone on a torrent has high speed bandwidth, and alot of them are only uploading 40kbs.. It could be that more or so people are maxed out and some cant get maxed out since not many are uploading fast enough for others to max out their connections.

[Krell]

Christ I understand bittorrent.

My upload is limited...at 40 kb out of 357 kbps.

I'm downloading one (1) file

No such errors.

My cable line is rated at 6123, though I tend to get about 3000 kbps while not torrenting.

Read carefully and ask questions before assuming you're the only person around with a brain.....

David


I'm not assuming I will prove it!

You reboot, and go to DSLreprots, and do a badnwidth test, then save the results as an mht file.

Use the http://speakeasy.net/speedtest/ for a 2nd test result.

Now, I want you to post screen shots of these, AND the screen shot showing your upload. And when you have finished posting these, we will explain to you the difference between kiloBITS and kiloBYTES.


Go ahead, im waiting.


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[d3ft0n3s]

testosterone contest?

[Krell]

Who you gonna put money on?

ME? or him?

You dont see my asking these bobo questions do you?

Plus, I already did all the tests, and made screen shots, since my last post . . . you know me.


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[d3ft0n3s]

you have a god complex and he got offended.

[ibeback]

ok, here you go! Your wait is over!
btw....if you look at the title, that's what I mean. I'm ready to talk to a mature adult. I proved you wrong after you made an ass of yourself (congrats btw...re-read this thread from the view point of others).

Before (no client):
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5671/nobt0xh.jpg

After (With Azureus):
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1872/withaz0gk.jpg

[ibeback]

The Official ABBA Fluffer


Who you gonna put money on?

ME? or him?

You dont see my asking these bobo questions do you?

Plus, I already did all the tests, and made screen shots, since my last post . . . you know me.


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why put money on anyone? It's a support forum

d3ft0n3s is on the right track....about the complex, not the contest. There is no contest. I've got more important things to do then get dragged into a flame war for the next few days....I refuse to engage in any conversation or even acknowlege you after this post.


Now....may I please speak to an adult?

David

[Dark Messenger]

lol

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[Krell]

No, it further PROVES my point

You are NOT showing the bandwidth you are using from Azureus, only from the TEST

If you combine the TEST, with what youre using with Azureus, then you are SATURATED

The TEST sucks down everything it can thats left over from Azureus, and thats why you get that number, the fact that you have NO upload left to acknownledge packets, drops your download speed.

Your WHOLE bogus and unfounded pissing point is about a test, that doesnt even matter in the real world unless you try other P2P apps and are limited by this same principle.


Is there anyone here that can speak down on his level?

Anyone got a 5 yold that can interpret for me?


Anyone?



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[.:sp00ky:.]

This (http://www.headinjury.com/) could help.

[ibeback]

I'm heading to bed...If anyone out there is aware that 160 kb upload is enough to browse the web, and can explain why a 86.7 kBps (639.6 kbps) download results in a 5937 kbps decrease in download bandwidth, AND is willing to contribute things constructively, in a calm manner, and is willing to help, not argue, but help, as in offer a solution like, here's that phrase again, a mature adult, please feel free to leave a post. Also, please only people who read support forums to help others with problems, not to to feel superior respond. All others need not apply.

Goodnight everyone.

David

[Dark Messenger]

Is there anyone here that can speak down on his level?

Anyone got a 5 yold that can interpret for me?


Anyone?



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I only skimmed his post and since turning 21 today I feel qualified to answer. ;)
From my own experiences with cable or dial-up for that matter. Assuming you can upload max at 40kbps and download max at 320kbps with typical download speed ranging between 120-220kb/s with 120-200kbps being most common.

If you use all your upload bandwidth for bittorrent you won't have any left over for browing the web. More than one file sharing client open at a time with sharing enabled uses up that upload bandwith.

All communication is two way so even a request to open a webpage uses bandwith. your browser making the request sends information which is a form of uploading as its asking to recevie something back (in other words to view the page).

If all you upload bandwith is taken up by one or more filesharing programs like BT, etc. you won't have enough bandwidth left to make even simple requests with like to view a webpage.

Krell is suggesting you limit your upload bandwidth to something like 25kbps out of 40kbps (if you can upload at 40) that way you'll have 15kbps to spare which will allow you to do other things like use instant messengers, irc (for chatting as downloading or running a fileserver uses bandwidth).

If bittorrent has a way to limit the amount of bandwidth it uses on uploads then do it. If not there is a nifty little windows program called Net Limiter which can let you specify an upload limit per any program you want to use.

This may have been too convoluted but I hope it somehow manages to help you.

Bottom line is don't use all your upload bandwith for uploading...set limits on how much is to be used by whatever client you are using whether its bittorrent or gnutella.

You decide how much bandwith you want to use for uploading. Try the suggestion of limiting your upload bandwith to 25kbps and see if that helps you.

-DM

[ibeback]

Thanks. My last few experiences with this forum have not been too great, they have all been similar to tonight.

It's good to know there are still people willing to help, not just take out their stress from the real world on the internet.

I did make an error in my bandwidth calculations, I believed that I had more than 40 kB available, but hey, we all (mortals) make mistakes :)

The 160 kbps (actually 20 kBps, 5 over what was recommended) seems sufficient to me to upload. And yes, I am also aware that I was uploading at only 12 kBps at the time, but that is what I usually cut it back to (10-20kBps, depending on how generous I feel at the time :) ) when I need to browse.

I only use BT anymore, I use to use Shareaza for everything when I used windows, but I don't like leaving things running in wine, so I stick with Azureus. So the other p2p issue is not a problem.

what concerns me most is the exaggerated drop in download bandwidth. Which takes me back to my original question....Does anyone else have this happen?

DM, thanks for the post, like I said, glad to know y'all are still there.

David

[ibeback]

I only skimmed his post and since turning 21 today ...

you may want to update your info. It looks like it's been a while :) (Age: 16)

[.:sp00ky:.]

I thought that was done by d.o.b he got his own d.o.b wrong?

[crestfallen]

The drop in DL speed has already been explained to you. Because of the lack of sufficient UL speed and/or connectivity or line quality issues, acknowledgements to the information that web pages send are not being received, or are being received with errors. Then they have to resend them, possibly repeatedly, which will reduce your DL speed dramatically.

[Christoph]

Fu**! Where Is My Car?????

[ibeback]

well, I dumped azureus, because there is alot of excess bandwidth and CPU usage with it. For anyone else experiencing the same problem I was, I'm now using abc (With the exact same settings (i.e. max upload) as I was using in Azureus, btw) and I have no trouble surfing while downloading multiple torrents @ speeds >100kbps :) I've heard good things about BitComet, too, but as there is no linux version, that kinda puts me out. I suppose I could wine it, but, eh. There are some bugs with the linux ABC, but they are working on updating it to match the most recent windows version.

David

[crackerjacker]

well, I dumped azureus, because there is alot of excess bandwidth and CPU usage with it. For anyone else experiencing the same problem I was, I'm now using abc (With the exact same settings (i.e. max upload) as I was using in Azureus, btw) and I have no trouble surfing while downloading multiple torrents @ speeds >100kbps :) I've heard good things about BitComet, too, but as there is no linux version, that kinda puts me out. I suppose I could wine it, but, eh. There are some bugs with the linux ABC, but they are working on updating it to match the most recent windows version.

David
i use utorrent its great and top notch like azureus without the java. its great and imho u should try it. no problems what so ever
http://www.utorrent.com/

[DigitalJunkie]

ibeback,

Besides limiting your U/D speed, you should also limit max. # of connections in the configuration settings, then there is also the considerations for cpu processing & available rams on your computer. Get the picture?

[Greylin]

i use utorrent its great and top notch like azureus without the java. its great and imho u should try it. no problems what so ever
http://www.utorrent.com/


uTorrent is a kick ass program. I just started using it a few days ago and am extremely impressed. I even took the time to submit it in the programs section but it has not made it public yet.

[ibeback]

I have looked into utorrent....it does look nice....but again, linux :) (not complaining bout linux, mind you!)
As far as CPU and RAM, I'm not really hurting for more, 3.4 GHz 650 P4 and 1GB RAM. That's another reason azureus pissed me off, 75% of that 3.4 GHz would be used up by it if you had anything but the main window open. and on a laptop, that makes things a bit warm :)

[DigitalJunkie]

There are trade offs between features & performance, try others & see!

[isus]

Krell: WTF are you on, bro? Chill the fuck out. Shit, half the time I'd say that whoever you were chewing out actually deserved it, but this guy doesn't. Pull the giant stick out of your ass.

[ibeback]

Are there any linux users here? what seems to work best for you all? So far ABC seems to work best for me.

Also if you're interested, ABC is working on a new linux client right now for about the last week or so. So, head on over to:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=303226
download the source, unzip it and run:
python abc.py
and let them know what you think. Show them the linux community cares!
(BTW, the versions here are bleeding edge and buggy. There is a stable client availble for linux from their homepage)

David / Mr_Grieves

[zarquon]

Krell: WTF are you on, bro? Chill the fuck out. Shit, half the time I'd say that whoever you were chewing out actually deserved it, but this guy doesn't. Pull the giant stick out of your ass.

In fairness to krell, he puts more time and effort into the newbies problems than anyone else around here. Hell, i would do my head in most of the time trying to tell some moron who can barely turn on his computer, how to configure his bt client.

Krell has earned the right to get pissed off once in a while at a noobs inability to understand technicallities.

[Krell]

Also he deleted some of his posts

I challenged this use to provide CORRECT information, and attempted to explain why he was amiss in his bandwidth problem from the beginning.

He failed to supply the information and attempted to discredit me

Now, since when have I let someone challenge and discredit me on a technical subject?

never

Everyone thinks they have the most important pressing issue ever on a P2P related subject, but hardly anyone wants to try to solve their own problems, or do a little research.

AND, his problem is no different or more important than the 983 other ones just like it that can be referred to. 99% of the time, the standard answers to these question ARE the correct answers, and solves the problem.

Sorry if I sounded impatient, but at the time of his post, we just had a few of those same issues.


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[isus]

Also he deleted some of his posts
Disregard my last post... Sorry Krell.

[ibeback]

Krell - glad to hear that I just caught you on a bad day. I wasn't trying to make my post sound like the most important problem out there, I just was trying to see if others where having similar experiences.

What bothered me the most was that you were suggesting in your first few posts that I was a lazy complete idiot, of which I am neither. I was aware of the ack packets from researching, and when browsing I would cut Azureus UL back to ~15 kBps, but my browsing still suffered. Also, while I am not, nor do I claim to be, the most technically knowledgeable person around, I do know a thing or two, and got a little offended by the treatment I had received.

Now I am happy to say I am using a different client and I no longer have those problems. Like I said, I can download several hundred kbps and upload at 120 kbps and still get great speeds surfing. I just wish I could find a client with all of azureus's bells and whistles, but with out all the problems I had from it. Maybe a port of utorrent will come around...maybe one is in the works...(hmm...are they OSS?)...I'll have to look into it.

But I'm not one to hold grudges, so lets just let bygones be bygones. I'm just happy to have my browser back :)

edit: nope. utorrent's closed source:

Q. Is this open source software?
No. While µTorrent is free, its source is not available for download. µTorrent will remain closed source as long as it can be supported by us. This may change if there comes a time where we can no longer develop or provide support for µTorrent.

[Krell]

I dont hold grudges either, and there are several folks that have barked at, and we're long past that. Also, while I do often hint that newcomers are a bit on the lazy side, and will not even read threads on their topic, most of the time what I wish to say is "First things First".

Often basic investigations, eliminations and substitutions reveal the problen right away. It's easy for things to get overly complicated, and miss the forest for the trees.

After a while, you will see the trend that I am speaking of, and please, BE MY GUEST, if you can provide instruction and example, jump right in there. We have a POLLS section, and at the top, you always see those little bar charts, and can determine high from low. If I made a bar chart of the 10 most frequently asked questions or topics on ZP, you would see from that chart where we expend most of our efforts.

As a BBS, we dont have to be 100% efficient, but 100% duplicity gets old fast.

Thx for the last post, I hope you stick around long enough to contribute something back.


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[bobhss]

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