Next Windows Targets Piracy

[dubstylee]

As Microsoft readies the next version of its Windows operating system, called Vista, the software giant is building in unprecedented levels of safeguards against video piracy.

For the first time, the Windows operating system will wall off some audio and video processes almost completely from users and outside programmers, in hopes of making them harder for hackers to reach. The company is establishing digital security checks that could even shut off a computer's connections to some monitors or televisions if antipiracy procedures that stop high-quality video copying aren't in place.

In short, the company is bending over backward--and investing considerable technological resources--to make sure Hollywood studios are happy with the next version of Windows, which is expected to ship on new PCs by late 2006. Microsoft believes it has to make nice with the entertainment industry if the PC is going to form the center of new digital home networks, which could allow such new features as streaming high-definition movies around the home.

PCs won't be the only ones with reinforced pirate-proofing. Other new consumer electronics devices will have to play by a similar set of rules in order to play back the studios' most valuable content, Microsoft executives say. Indeed, assuring studios that content will have extremely strong protection is the only way any device will be able to support the studios' planned high-definition content, the software company says.

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[moneoa]

Phock that shit.......
Vista is shaping up to be one smelly, DRM infested, ripped off piece of offal

[rainbowdemon]

Phock that shit.......
Vista is shaping up to be one smely DRM infested ripped of piece of offal

It's beginning to look that way. I'll stick with XP. No matter how outdated it gets.

[.:sp00ky:.]

to make sure Hollywood studios are happy with the next version of Windows


I think that statment sums up microsoft theses days really well.


No mention of giving a shit wether its customers are happy with the next version.

[moneoa]

You know what this is?

When you are the top dog for so long you get complacent, Comfortable.
Then you wake up one day and you realise that your complacency has blinded you.

The competitors have put out better shit while you were daydreaming about how hot shit you are/were
because you underestimated how much you could stand to loose if you are not paying attention.

Then someone better comes along who actually knocks your ass off the top.

Its like the mean old boxer who always dealt it out and got comfy then underestimated the underdog who takes his title.

There is always someone better, Google and Apple are coming.

If you don't like Vista, get Jaguar.
After all in a year PC's and Mac's will be the same damn thing with exception to the OS

[MrEricSir]

Ubuntu Linux is easier to install and setup than Windows at this point anyway. Plus it comes with a buttload of free software, like OpenOffice. Microsoft should be afraid. Very afraid.

[dubstylee]

There is always someone better, Google and Apple are coming.

If you don't like Vista, get Jaguar.
After all in a year PC's and Mac's will be the same damn thing with exception to the OS

You don't think Apple will follow suit? MS is only doing this to curry favor with the **AA folks so they can crush iTunes. Apple already makes millions off DRM remember. If you really want to stay clear of these restrictions, don't follow the money. Stay open source and trade .ogg files on linux.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

It's beginning to look that way. I'll stick with XP. No matter how outdated it gets.

You got that one right plan to stay with XP SP1. I tried SP2 did like it so I went back to SP1 Stay with XP

[Digital Bliss]

The damn beta is already pirated ok ms you stop piracy and I'll stop smoking.

[ivand67]

I would bet both my nuts that Bill Gates and company will never really be able to stop piracy. And DRM will fail altogether.

Everything is crackable. No DRM technology will ever be impossible to circumvent.

And the Microsoft whores at Neowin are all gay.

[shawners]

This is gonna force alot of programers to make programs for linux which i am looking forward to. I would love to use it and burn as well as surf and download stuff through it. Its gonna be all so sweet to dump microsoft.

[The Hunter]

I wonder if i should try and see if I can get a legal copy of ME. ROTFL

[ajurna]

ok well let me put it like this. if the companies wont sell unless they are protected then they wont sell, period. however if the hardware and software venders decided to refuse to make the protection available then they have no problems it just means that things stay the same as they are now. and im damn sure everyone here wouldnt mind taht so much. but m$ is probably going to be getting alot of B******'s from the riaa(etc) that it will be very worth their while. i really dont think linux is ready for the desktop. but i think the more that m$ tries to push its luck with stupid ideas like locking down your personal(i think that word is important) computer the more people are going to start looking for alternatives. it is currently ok with windows but add a layer of lockdown and suddenly people will revolt. i wouldnt be surprised if after a year or so they will be forced to release a patch that unlocks the functionality they are summilarily removing.

[ducttapeBigSexy]

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand why Microsoft is doing this, but I have to say, really, what's the point? Let's assume for a moment that Microsoft has come up with a way that makes it almost impossible to break DRM - the only way to unlock the content is to be really, really computer savvy. All that's needed is one release group to break that DRM, convert the media into an unprotected format, and then release it - this then renders the entire DRM scheme pointless.

Now, yes, I realize this will stop some people from pirating content (especially those who are afraid of using p2p because there going to get "caught"), but as it stands now, p2p isn't slowly down at all. All you've done is ensured that this guy here will be using Linux that much more...

[the great one]

I'm going to keep Windows XP on one of my machines,then probably put Vista on another one.By doing this, I still get to do what I want with my files.Problem solved. :icon_thum

[gigamosh57]

Well, the thing to be scared about is the trusted computing architecture that they are trying to implement in Vista. The next release of windows after Vista will not give you an option; all hardware will have to be approved by the TCG/TCPA. Security groups will be able to break it but, seeing as it is a hardware level encryption (and unapproved software will be disallowed by windows itself), unless you want to buy a sketchy street-quality mod chip for your computer, piracy is going to be difficult.

Read:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/

Beware

My personal solution is to stick with 2000. Although...as 64-bit processors gain popularity, that will become more and more difficult. Updates for 2000 (and eventually XP) will become scarcer until Microsoft makes it impossible to own anything more than one generation old. Linux seems like a good solution, although I wont switch until it really becomes a problem (XP is convenient for now).

[mcovey]

i plan on pirating vista.

[Digital Bliss]

i plan on pirating vista.


The beta is all over bt lol ms is full of idiots.

[Signa]

You know what this is?

When you are the top dog for so long you get complacent, Comfortable.
Then you wake up one day and you realise that your complacency has blinded you.

The competitors have put out better shit while you were daydreaming about how hot shit you are/were
because you underestimated how much you could stand to loose if you are not paying attention.

Then someone better comes along who actually knocks your ass off the top.

Its like the mean old boxer who always dealt it out and got comfy then underestimated the underdog who takes his title.

There is always someone better, Google and Apple are coming.

If you don't like Vista, get Jaguar.
After all in a year PC's and Mac's will be the same damn thing with exception to the OS


i am seeing this happen repeatedly now. i remember ninendo was top dog for awhile and then they got too big-headed and look at them now. im starting to get the feeling that sony is about to pull the same thing with the PS3. im sure this is MS's falling point with making a mistake like this. im noticing that im starting all my sentances with "I" without even thinking about it.

[axlman]

Well since I work for a small CTI manufactoring Company, and being the Tech. there, maybe I'll ge tlucky and MS or a customer will someday want to Test the new MS crap. If so, then I will then have a copy of it for myself.

I think I'll stick with XP for a long time!!!!

[bobhss]

Why do content companies think their content is worth so much?

hint: It's not.

[method]

Content scrambling systems, DRM, etc... it's all crap... and dvd-jon (johannsen or whatever his last name is!!!) alone has put CSS and iTunes DRM in the bin where they belong.

DRM strippers, Analog holes and other factors... mean this is a waste of time.

I doubt Vista will do anything with content that isn't DRM-protected... so unless you're already dumb enough to be paying for DRM content... how will this effect you?

Now... if my stacks of DRMless content was locked out by the OS... then yeah... I'd join in with the bitching and moaning but I doubt it'll happen.

DRM = doesn't really matter.

Peace!!

[DwarfBaby]

The damn beta is already pirated ok ms you stop piracy and I'll stop smoking.


I'm sure you already realize how right you are. But I'll chalk up one more positive vote for Digital Bliss who is a man who has no apparent problem pointed out the obvious truth when so many others blindly ignore what’s directly in front of them.

Vista beta was pirated before the beta was even released. By the time the new Windows is released they’ll be a dozen hacked versions already available. If the whole OS proves little to no problem to hack how hard do you think it’s going to be to get DVD Decrypter to work with your new DVD burner.

No there will be no mass exodus to Linux and no Apple corp. will not see a huge surge in sales. People will go about there lives much like the transition from ME to XP. A few headaches here and there but that’s all.

[Comax]

It's beginning to look that way. I'll stick with XP. No matter how outdated it gets.

I wanted to stick with Windows 98 but it was crippled so it wouldn't handle 1.5GB of RAM.
I would guess that other windows OS's will have similar "features".

Better off getting cracks for Vista to remove the DRM, etc....

This is gonna force alot of programers to make programs for linux which i am looking forward to. I would love to use it and burn as well as surf and download stuff through it. Its gonna be all so sweet to dump microsoft.

Good point. I'd move to linux in a heart beat if the software I use worked on it.

[zpman]

Microsoft is bending over backwards? The only one bending over is you and me. Wait not me. As far as GNU/Linux goes, with the Ubuntu comment, it is not easier to install than Windows. I am using (K)Ubuntu as I type. I personally love it, but its not as if it wouldn't be a bit of a pain in the ass for the average person to get running. Partitioning alone could scare the hell out of an old lady.

GNU/Linux has a way to go. I say, why do we want Microsoft to be dethroned? *nix users, do you honestly want a world in which you have to beware of viruses? Not me. I like it just the way it is. Save the viruses for those on the other OS. OSX users and GNU/*nix users have many things in common, including a similarly structured kernal, which is UNIX based. And I have nothing holding me back. Ubuntu is good, as well as the comunity, but there is a huge mountain to climb to reach the level to compete with MS on a large scale. First off, there are not many dealers selling Linux preinstalled on computers and this is where Microsoft beats the pant out of everyone.

Apple is coming? Apple invented the graphical desktop as we know it. Hell, I still have my Mac Classic. It was in black and white, lol! Seriously, Apple has been around forever. Mac users are a different, loyal crowd altogether. I suppose the Intel version might persuade some people.

I've got to habd it though to MS for making an OS that even my grandma can learn. That's saying something. I had to teach her how to use the remote for the cable box when I was twelve.

A Google OS? No thanks.Vista will be huge, and the average person will eat it up like apple pie and a cold winter's night. It looks cool. I won't but it though, although I am far more savvy than the average user. Funny how MS focuses on its own security (antpiracy) rather than its customers'.

Why does everyone say that GNU/Linux is ready for the desktop? Which one? There are thousands of distros.
Why does no one say that FreeBSD is ready for the desktop? Has anyone heard of it? No less than GNU/Linux.

BTW people, please stop referring your particular distro as 'Linux'. It is an operating system based on the Linux Kernal. It CAN be refered to as GNU/Linux. Linux is only a kernal. The other 97% of the distro is usually comprised of GNU applications, so it is much more GNU than Linux. People please just say Red Hat, Mandrake, Debian, and so forth.

[Excrement_Cranium]

So when will the PC, Tivo/DVR modchip sites start showing up with hardware DRM circumvention?

[VAMPYRE BLADE]

heres a thought, i am sure you guys have heard of nlite, maybe when vista comes out fully, that program will let you remove all the drm from vista, its always a possibilty

[RACKnRAIL]

I will wait for the custom install of vista. I believe the advance of technology will force us to upgrade someday or like comax said, your hardware won't be compatible with XP after some time.

[cletis_van_damm]

i have red hat linux enterprise and xp screw vista

[shawners]

If you cant do what you want to with a PC, no matter how wrong it is or how right it is. Its your machine. What about VIDEO that is on your camcorder or Media device or wanting to play something on the PC. Its gonna be like the copy protected cd's. People are gonna be trying to get their money back or file suit, or even contact congress.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Ok, but we all understand that they are going to begin installing DRM into hardware correct? That windows fista doesn't have to have it, as video cards, motherboards, etc., are going to have chips with DRM programming built in out of the box. They are pushing the chips on Video cards and Tivo/DVR so that "flagged" broadcasts cannot be recorded.

[Abyss00]

What does it say about Vista, when people that have used every version of windows ever made are looking at Vista and decide that it is not even worth the download? Well that is one way to stop piracy, just make your product so worthless that a free download is not even worth it. Microsoft should patient this new form of piracy protection.

[muffenme]

You right ducttape, it only take one person to find a way to crack something and then post it to make any copy protecting useless.

I sticking with Windows 2000 for my main computer.

[meyou123]

I think it is ALSO important for people to be able to choose how they use their computer. @ajurna...I can see your point, but if Microsoft just listens to the RIAA or MPAA...then I think there WILL be a backlash from the people that buy their product.

When they start to lose sales, is when they will start to reverse the trend of locking down peoples computers. Money talks, so if there are more companies and users that can influence them not to make the lockdowns then there are people who do , the trend might be reversed. But only time will tell if this is successful or not.


Also, to all of those worried about hardware mods...have you ever heard of a MOD CHIP for a PS2? They had made the ps2 console with the idea that if they implimented protection in the hardware, then that would eliminate piracy. Guess what? IT DIDN'T! Now you can buy mod chips for ps2, xbox or any other console you can name. I think the same thing will happen with the PC...if it ever gets implimented. They make a hardware form of protection and it WILL be cracked the same way the software gets cracked. There are people with a lot of time on their hands that live for a challange like this. Also don't forget the companies that make mod chips....they could see this as a gloden oppertunity to go into the PC market with mod chips.


Things will go on as always...the more savy PC users will just find cracked versions of software or mods chips for hardware. (remember xp and how IT was supposed to be "uncrackable"? ) While the "cattle" or the average PC users will just buy this new OS with all the junk it has in it. Question is, how long will it be before the "cattle" wake up and realize what is happening? Only then, will we see change.

[drei]

I'm going to keep Windows XP on one of my machines,then probably put Vista on another one.By doing this, I still get to do what I want with my files.Problem solved. :icon_thum

Running two PC's is a hastle use VMware or Virtual PC.

[Afn]

Vista violates the Bill of Rights and the way
Posted by: Mustard Theory
Posted on: August 31, 2005, 4:23 PM PDT
Story: Hollywood, Microsoft align on new Windows
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I'm sick of big corporations controlling everything. Our government, retail stores and now our biggest OS maker treat the masses like criminals. It is so crazy people are going to line up to buy this and pay hundreds of dollars to have software that stops free association of ideas and adds many mechanisms to monitor and track what we do, and they can call it"media rights" or "copy right protection" and "this filesystem will help find things better and start things up faster by your monitoring habits" ; but its all a load of bull; it is all in place to monitor and control you and see what your thinking; by tracing what you view, what you open, how many times and where you go. With this OS combined with cell phones it will be big brother perfected.
Think if i sold you a car and I had counter measures installed to watch what you do and how you drove it and how you modified it. If I didnt approve I could lessen your MPG or horsepower of your engine or disable your AC or Heater or even shut down your car completely. Even years down the road watch you drive and record your habits and sell them to businesses. But when you turned on your car i would turn on your stereo to your favorite sat radio station. Now for a momment imagine these features on a chip in your brain(not to far from reality)scary huh.. well what is the difference it has reached your fingers and your eyes...


TPCA will be reversed engineered. If hollywood doesnt want people copying a/v files, then keep them in the theaters ONLY and do not release them on dvd or hd-dvd. The thought of restricted content as legal should be made illegal. NTSC was a universal standard. What concerns me is when information is tier'ed like premium cablecasts, the rich get the information that is most useful, the poor get no information except advertisements to get drunk and buy entertainment products. Everything else is unattainable.

[drei]

I hadn't used a Mac since I was in Highschool (way back in '86) and I must say that the Mac OS X is very impressive. If they do finally port it over to Intel processors and it can run my 3D games and Outlook I would definitely convert.

As far as Linux goes on the desktop. Bah...I love Linux but it ain't ready yet.

A friend told me one time "there are 5% of peepz who know what's up, 10% who have a clue about what's up and the other 85% don't care about what's up until it affects them directly."

Well guess who the 85% are in the pc world? Windows OS users that's who. And until they get a clue MS will rule the desktop OS world.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Soccer moms and schools are Microsoft's #1 customer, and they will buy Fista like crazy. We're doomed to fall under the crushing force of the stampede of consumer sheep.

[MrCoggy]

I smell revolution.

Incidentally. What's the point? As BigSexy pointed out it only takes ONE copy to get out and that's it. Unless Vista is going to analyse what I'm watching and decide that I haven't got a license to view and delete/inform on me/kill me.

This will achieve nothing but satisfying MS media partners that they "care" about content and rights.

Genie/out of bottle/too late.

Pah!

[LordNIkon]

It's beginning to look that way. I'll stick with XP. No matter how outdated it gets.

RainbowDemon you got that shit right. Windows XP is Microsoft's best OS since MS-DOS 6.22. w00t!!!

[Class316]

I don’t see how DRM will stop piracy. It’ll only protect content that’s already protected (how long the protection will last is another story).

All the DRM hardware/software in the world won’t stop anyone from downloading an mpeg or DivX of the newest movie or TV show.

The ONLY way to do it is to make it so that non-DRM content will never play at all. But that will make a PC totally useless. So that will never happen.

I look forward to downloading a warezed non-DRM Visa :D

[Signa]

Microsoft has forgoten one VERY important thing about vista: Nessessity. there is nothing about vista that we cant get from XP. even 64 bit processors have suport on the 64bit edition. there is nothing that anyone will gain from getting vista. i assume in the distant future, there may be a need to upgrade, and i cant help to start to feel like it wont be a bad thing

MS has two options on how to lock content. 1: if the file has DRM in it, and it doenst check out, it doesnt play it. 2: if it completely lacks any DRM info, it locks it.

if they choose to do option 2, no one will want it, period. home made family videos will not play. aspiring musicans wont be able to hear their own work. it wouldnt just screw you over, it would make your PC entirly unusable. im certian this is not MS's goal as they woudnt make any money.

now, if they do option 1, that means one thing: DRM can only exist from the copyright holder as in DVD manufactuers. there are thousands of DVDs on the market today that dont have any DRM in it. just weak copy protections. the only concern is some one making a new DVD with DRM and then one of us needing to make a new program to de-DRM the DVD. at that point, release groups can have their way with making videos and we all can still share DRMless videos and music.

there is a senario 3, and that is MS realizing senario 1 and figuring out some inventive way to counteract it, but this is MS we are talking about, they arent *that* inventive. but seriously, the only thing that could change is the OS seeing that im running DVDdecrypter and stopping me. thats pretty much all i could see it being problematic for.

edit: lol, i didnt even read class316's post before i wrote this.

[Afn]

Microsoft has forgoten one VERY important thing about vista: Nessessity. there is nothing about vista that we cant get from XP. even 64 bit processors have suport on the 64bit edition. there is nothing that anyone will gain from getting vista. i assume in the distant future, there may be a need to upgrade, and i cant help to start to feel like it wont be a bad thing

MS has two options on how to lock content. 1: if the file has DRM in it, and it doenst check out, it doesnt play it. 2: if it completely lacks any DRM info, it locks it.

if they choose to do option 2, no one will want it, period. home made family videos will not play. aspiring musicans wont be able to hear their own work. it wouldnt just screw you over, it would make your PC entirly unusable. im certian this is not MS's goal as they woudnt make any money.

now, if they do option 1, that means one thing: DRM can only exist from the copyright holder as in DVD manufactuers. there are thousands of DVDs on the market today that dont have any DRM in it. just weak copy protections. the only concern is some one making a new DVD with DRM and then one of us needing to make a new program to de-DRM the DVD. at that point, release groups can have their way with making videos and we all can still share DRMless videos and music.

there is a senario 3, and that is MS realizing senario 1 and figuring out some inventive way to counteract it, but this is MS we are talking about, they arent *that* inventive. but seriously, the only thing that could change is the OS seeing that im running DVDdecrypter and stopping me. thats pretty much all i could see it being problematic for.

edit: lol, i didnt even read class316's post before i wrote this.

Next generation DVD will have encryption that can be changed. Once the file has been cracked once it still could be copied unlimited times.

The bad news is that HDTV 1920x1080 is going to be locked down with monitor checks and other nonsense. At some future point PC's will adopt TPCA. To many corporations and government agencies (ie schools) will want "secure" computing to keep memos private (think enron with no evidence) and public computers only running "approved" programs. Indoctrination anyone? I think I will pass, but TPCA is going to become a problem.

[soulxtc]

F microsoft, their treading a fine line between a capitalistic monopoly and outright electronic fascism (e-fascism...new lingo?)

[thewhitrbbit]

The big problem with linux is installing software. Someone needs to come up with a good end user installation system for Linux. I love working with Knoppix but the instructions to install software are scary and confusing. I would love if Nulsoft Install System or something was created for Linux.