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wessman
October 4th, 2002, 05:27 PM
Verizon, RIAA in copyright showdown
By Declan McCullagh
Special to ZDNet News
October 4, 2002, 11:30 AM PT
URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1106-960857.html

Attorneys for Verizon Communications and the music industry sparred in court on Friday over whether to disclose the identity of an alleged peer-to-peer pirate.

The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has asked a federal judge in Washington, D.C., to order Verizon to turn over the name of a Kazaa subscriber who allegedly was sharing copies of more than 600 music recordings.

U.S. District Judge John Bates did not rule on the music industry's request on Friday, but because federal law emphasizes a speedy response to such requests, Bates is expected to make a decision soon. Each side argued for 45 minutes.

This case represents the entertainment industry's latest legal assault on peer-to-peer piracy. If its invocation of the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is successful, music industry investigators would have the power to identify hundreds of music pirates at a time without going to court first.

"The RIAA argued in court that the statute should be interpreted to provide authority for subpoenas under the DMCA to learn the identity of individuals who are using Internet providers solely as a conduit for peer-to-peer trading," said Megan Gray, an attorney representing civil liberties groups that sided with Verizon.

The dispute is not about whether the RIAA will be able to force Verizon to reveal the identity of a suspected copyright infringer, but about what legal mechanism is appropriate. The RIAA would prefer to rely on the DMCA's turbocharged-subpoena process, because it is cheaper and faster.

At issue in the RIAA's request is an obscure part of the DMCA that permits a copyright owner to send a subpoena ordering a "service provider" to turn over information about a subscriber. Verizon says because it is only a conduit and is not hosting the material, the DMCA does not apply.

In an amicus brief filed in August, a coalition of civil liberties groups said the DMCA procedure was not sufficiently privacy-protective, and suggested filing lawsuits instead. :sw

Juggalo15
October 4th, 2002, 05:40 PM
Dude,I think the RIAA needs to get over it.P2p will be around for a long time.Anyone who knows anything about the employees plz post it so we can be asses and harrass them again:wings

Caitlyn Marble
October 4th, 2002, 05:54 PM
3 cheers for Verizon. Even though they may blast my humble home with annoying telemarketers every month or so, they aren't as bad as some other companies. Like I heard BT is evil. My condolences to you brits.

DiddlySquat
October 5th, 2002, 09:45 AM
man...at 1st i was like "oh crap now i gotta get a new ISP" but SWEET good for Verizon. FIGHT THE POWER!!!!! lol :cross

method
October 6th, 2002, 02:03 PM
RIGHT.... LISTEN UP PEOPLE...

You use FastTrack network, yeah??.. okay....

kewl..

Do you give MediaForce, TSPBay, etc., permission to access your personal computer in their data-mining operations, especially if you are acting as a supernode??

Of course not.. all of their evidence is gained through deception, if you act as a supernode, you only expect legitimate fasttrack user to access your computer.. you thought they were just another fasttrack user.. they're not.

Also, as a person sharing a file.. if the filesize and filename match that of an illegitimate file.. how do they know..

1. That anyone has acutally downloaded the full file and that you have irrefutably contributed to copyright infringement.

2. That the file isn't acutally a anti-piracy-hobbyists attempts at polluting these networks (like OverPeer)????

I might be fucking miles off.. but I still think we have a point. Unless MediaForce have specific permission from those supernodes which were accessed to data-mine information to use that information in a way that is not expected, is this invasion of the supernodes privacy and deception in an attempt to gain evidence..

If so.. it would make evidence inadmissable in court (evidence gained through deception). As well as this.. we also have the 'theft of service' argument, MediaForce have used YOUR (Fastrack users) bandwidth in their efforts to gain information, DID YOU GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO DO THIS???

DID YOU ONLY ANTICIPATE CONNECTIONS FROM GENUINE FASTTRACK USERS, where you given any indication or warning from the likes of MediaForce that they would acess your personal property in order to gain evidence against other FastTrack users???

So what's the score.. where do we stand and can we bring a massive case against these companies for invasion of privacy.. starting off with access to supernodes??

I'm just curious.. I'm sure there are laws, loopholes and ways we can throw shit back in these companies faces.

Any soliticors on ZP???

12345678910
October 6th, 2002, 03:30 PM
As Long As We Continue To Develop New And Better P2P Applications, Then We Have Nothing To Worry About. Two Things That We Have:

- Very Good Programmers Who Will Continue To Write Programs, Therfore Eventually Breaking The RIAA's Will And They Will Give Up. (Power In Numbers)

&

- Individually, I Believe We Have Nothing To Worry About Also. What Are They Going To Do? Arrest All The Millions of P2P Users? I Doubt It.

method
October 7th, 2002, 06:39 AM
As a developer I've considered different options:

The only one that would really seem to work is the intentional false-positives... but this is about the only tool i can use to help users.. any other ideas are greatly appreciated..

I think I might repost my previous post as the start of a thread. It contains some good valid points i reckon ;)

laterz ;D